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9AM Post-Raid Rally and General Assembly

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 6:57 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

New Yorkers! Meet at 9am at Canal and 6th Avenue. Spread the word...

This movement can't be contained in one square block in lower Manhattan. It is bigger than that. You can't evict an idea whose time had come.

Show your support. Turn out en masse....

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[-] 24 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 2 years ago

It wasn't the dishwasher, plumber, carpenter, and taxi driver who created mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, hedge-funds.

It wasn't the school teachers who got legislators to trash the Glass-Steagal Act

It wasn't the firefighters who have been shipping jobs and whole industries overseas.

It wasn't the grocery clerk who created the banking and AIG insurance messes that American taxpayers had to clean up.

It wasn't the youth of this nation who targeted our students as a new profit-center.

This movement will not end because the fundamental problems have not been addressed.

This movement will continue!

[-] 2 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 2 years ago

Damn straight Toynbee.

Bloomberg fucked up. He should have stomped out the fire 6 weeks ago before it had time to catch.

This is only going to spread the Occupation.

[-] 2 points by Adam (116) 2 years ago

We don't need a movement. We need organized militias to defend our citizens and ourselves. We have the right to defend ourselves, and until we do it, we have no choice but to be owned by the people who are armed and part of an organized militia force such as the police. Not standing up for ourselves properly is why the country has gotten so bad and continues to get worse.

[-] -2 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

How are you defending yourself when you are the one that took over private property? You can certainly challenge the current interpretation of the first amendment and maybe get a ruling your way. In this case however your the invader, Brookfield Office Properties is the one that is defending itself here. OWS wasn't just assembling, they had moved in and taken up residence on private land.

[-] 1 points by MakeThisWork (33) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'll say it again, because it bears repeating: Zucotti Park is a PUBLIC PARK! BOS is required by law to manage it because a building they own was given special privileges to build higher then the zoning allowed. In return, the owner of that building must take on the expense of the upkeep of Liberty Plaza, which was later renamed Zucotti Park. But over the years, since no one seems to know what privately managed public space means, and it takes up too much space in news articles, the default has become that BOS owns it. Which they don't.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

The actual status of the park isn't relevant really. OWS took the space for their living quarters, although they are a part of the public they don't have the right to take over the space as their own. This can be looked at as denying the rest of the public access to it. The merits of the occupation aside for a moment, they don't have the right to simply take any land they please.

[-] 2 points by AdamD (2) 2 years ago

Not true. I am not an occupier (though I happen to support OWS). I am a member of the 'rest of the public.' I have been to Zuccotti several times, have walked around, chatted with people, sat on benches, and otherwise enjoyed my right to 'passive recreation' in this public space. In what way did OWS deny me, or any other members of 'the rest of the public' access to the park?

Yes, sometimes it's hard to find a vacant bench, but that's true in lots of city parks. Is the NYPD going to go into Washington Square in riot gear to clear the old ladies off of the benches so that other, unnamed members of 'the rest of the public' can enjoy their right to passive recreation? Or is this extra enforcement being done in Zuccotti Park because of the content of the speech that's going on there?

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

The city's motive is obviously to move as many of the protesters out as possible. Demonstrations set for Thursday may have started this. Their justification was health, safety, and public access (true or pure BS? Doesn't matter). You can argue the public still had access, but the judge accepted the city's position. The attorneys for OWS must have known it was a long shot at best to argue the first amendment in this case. The camping out created a big hurdle. Take a page from unions that picket, maintain a presence in shifts.

[-] 1 points by me2 (534) 2 years ago

This is incorrect information. Brookfield owns the property but is obliged to maintain it as publicly accessible open space, in exchange for the building variance you mention. It is a very common arrangement in NYC.

[-] 1 points by freedomwins (2) 2 years ago

This movement will continue only if it finds a way to protect itself from the brutal policing by mayors, DAs and police commissioners. One way is to establish a stronger network of support across various locations. Right now the network is too loose and over reliant on social media. There needs to be a more ORGANIZED response to camp site attacks. The response needs to include fax, email, and visits to fair minded civil servants.

[-] 0 points by MotorCityMadMan (62) from Wyandotte, MI 2 years ago

Bravo!!

[-] -2 points by Danimal98367 (188) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

It wasn't the dishwasher, plumber, carpenter, and taxi driver who created mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, hedge-funds.

(but the did take out too large of zero-down, subprime, adjustable-rate mortgages to back the securities)

It wasn't the school teachers who got legislators to trash the Glass-Steagal Act

(but they do get paid by tax dollars and do not have to negotiate wages with the wage-payer - tax payer - and have benefit packages and retirement funds that are too expensive for the publis to support)

It wasn't the firefighters who have been shipping jobs and whole industries overseas.

(*see teacher note above PLUS - it was mostly the unions who ship the jobs overseas by forcing above-market wages and lifetime benefits that US companies crumble under)

It wasn't the grocery clerk who created the banking and AIG insurance messes that American taxpayers had to clean up.

(yes it partially was if they took out a zero-down, subprime, adjustable rate mortgage they shouldn't have)

It wasn't the youth of this nation who targeted our students as a new profit-center.

(right, it was the Universities that you aren't protesting claiming a-degree-any-degree is needed for a job. And the gov't who made student loans immune to bankruptcy filings.

[-] 3 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 2 years ago

* I SAID: It wasn't the dishwasher, plumber, carpenter, and taxi driver who created mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, hedge-funds. SO YOU SAID: (but the did take out too large of zero-down, subprime, adjustable-rate mortgages to back the securities) SO I REPLY: Ooooh, so those big bad dishwashers forced the poor bankers to make loans that the bankers clearly knew were worthless???

* I SAID: It wasn't the school teachers who got legislators to trash the Glass-Steagal Act SO YOU SAID: (but they do get paid by tax dollars and do not have to negotiate wages with the wage-payer - tax payer - and have benefit packages and retirement funds that are too expensive for the publis to support) SO I REPLY: Ooooh, so you don't want to discuss the lifting of banking restrictions under Glass-Steagall, which served America well for over half-a-century? It was the exorbitant wages paid to our teachers? Uh huh!

* I SAID: It wasn't the firefighters who have been shipping jobs and whole industries overseas. SO YOU SAID: (*see teacher note above PLUS - it was mostly the unions who ship the jobs overseas by forcing above-market wages and lifetime benefits that US companies crumble under) SO I REPLY: Oh, I see. It is about shipping jobs to child-labor factories overseas, because our American workers demand safe working conditions and a living wage (which is about 4 zillion times less than the wage of a hedge fund manager who builds nothing)??? Whooo Ahhh, you are rich!!

* I SAID: It wasn't the grocery clerk who created the banking and AIG insurance messes that American taxpayers had to clean up. SO YOU SAID: (yes it partially was if they took out a zero-down, subprime, adjustable rate mortgage they shouldn't have) SO I REPLY: You obviously have no clue about the inner workings of the financial services sector, the rating agencies, the financial insurance sector, because you would not have bloated like this. AIG is the professional insurer. But they took lucrative but stupid risks even though their workers are extremely smart professionals who are savvy about the inner workings of the financial sector. They got too caught up in their bonuses. Multi million dollar bonuses.

* I SAID: It wasn't the youth of this nation who targeted our students as a new profit-center. SO YOU SAID: : (right, it was the Universities that you aren't protesting claiming a-degree-any-degree is needed for a job. And the gov't who made student loans immune to bankruptcy filings. SO I REPLY: You are clueless about the educational system. And the "government" that made loans immune from bankruptcy, did so because of lobbyists. Lobbyists for the banking industry. Duhhhhh!

[-] -1 points by Danimal98367 (188) from Port Orchard, WA 2 years ago

1 - The bankers made the bad loans because the government removed the risk. They did what would turn the best short-term profit because the government removed the risk. The banker doesn't get a pass for their poor call but neither do the dopes that took out stupid loans. Both are guilty for their greed (the bank greed for $ w/o risk, the home buyer for greed over more home than they can afford). The government is far more guilty, though.

2 - You brought up teachers. As to Glass-Steagal, I do not contest your point but there again - it is a government issue. The teacher union issue is legit.

3 - American workers are done demanding safe work conditions as the prime reason for increasing labor costs. If you look at the stats for work-related injury and death, you'll see the decline happened before OSHA and has remained stagnant. The issue is $40 wages/benefits at UAW factories vs. $24 for non-union car manufacturers (as an example). Hard for a company to stay competitive with nearly double the wage cost just in the US - not to mention better rates elsewhere.

4 - AIG, et al took those "risks" because the government removed the risk. Ever wonder why zero down, subprime, adjustable rate mortgages were unheard of 30 years ago? Banks didn't offer them because the risk was too high - especially to offer to just anyone making a normal wage. Then the government rules removed the risks. You don't only blame the guy who asked for new rules (or took advantage of the lawful rules) - you blame the referee who wrote risky rules. The referee more so.

5 - I do know the educational system. Real well. They convinced you that your liberal arts degree would have value ($60,000 you don't have) in the job market. In the tech boom we are emerging from where businesses needed marginally intelligent desk-jockeys instead of wrench-monkeys, some kind of degree indicated a brain above the HS student. Now the job market is flooded with stupid Romantic Lit degrees and businesses realized a pointless BA degree is this generation's GED. Yet the cost for school (despite increased demand and the rules of economics supply/demand) has increased at twice the rate of inflation . . . and the youth don't protest the schools for their chalatan ways . . .

Blaming the lobbyists for the government rules about the loans is like blaming the "F" students who begged for endless "movie days" instead of the teacher who agreed. Yeah, the lobbyists are crooks but the politicians and beaurocrats writing the rules are the bigger crooks!

[-] -2 points by cocktazer (-1) 2 years ago

It is the people that make the laws who need to be addressed.

Those who can do, those who can't teach (and poorly at that)... teaching, good lazy work if you get it.

[-] 2 points by bugbuster (103) from Yoncalla, OR 2 years ago

Obviously you have never tried it.

[-] 1 points by OQPi (162) 2 years ago

You need to actually become knowledgable about things before you start spouting of prejudice. Teachers work very hard.

[-] 0 points by cocktazer (-1) 2 years ago

? prejudice? what are you talking about.. .. I have taught, and know teachers, a teacher works 6 1/2 hours for 180 days out of the year... way over paid and with my tax money ----- edumications sucks in the USA and stuff - Ranked 8th in the world --

[-] -2 points by vanorman (-2) 2 years ago

Psalm 123: 4 Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy, * for we have had more than enough of contempt,

5 Too much of the scorn of the indolent rich, * and of the derision of the proud.

[+] -4 points by imthe4percent (56) 2 years ago

It was most of those people who bought more home than they could afford or to buy a home when they should have rented. It is the student who took out students loans on a gamble he or she would get a great paying job. It was the people who charged shiny new iPads, bikes, TVs, dinner, and vacations. Buy what you can afford to pay for and you won't have a problem.

[-] 5 points by Zelamoonbeam (5) 2 years ago

OR its the BANKS/CORPORATIONS who approved loans they KNEW people Couldn't afford..... and when TAXPAYER $s bailed them out.... they GOT BONUSES!!!!! Sure you should live within your means, but there is a much GREATER problem and its with our CORRUPT system.

[-] 1 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

Funny how people don't see that side of the story, GREED is what fueled this disaster in the first place.

[+] -4 points by Rob (881) 2 years ago

do you know what happens when a bank turns down a loan for a minority? The laws are stacked against the banks, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[-] 1 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

The banks were NOT forced to loan money to anyone, they chose to and even with the foreclosures they made out like bandits. Live in the real world and not the Rush/Glenn/Hanity world of lies and propaganda.

[-] 4 points by dzakye (4) 2 years ago

Your words come down to what Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens answered to his nephew reproaching him with stinginess: "Humbug!" ("Rubbish!"). Like Scrooge, learn to be decent towards the poor instead of judging them on very handy moral preach!

Indeed: High-risk debts were actually bought back from people in dire situations by speculators. The latter then sold them to make profit on these very debts (poor people's debts): This is the real shame! This caused real problems; the eager wish to make money at any cost even on poor people's backs. Disgraceful!

[-] 3 points by bgdz (2) from Montreal, QC 2 years ago

Sure, it takes two to tango. But the banks are the ones trolling the outskirts of the gym, asking wallflowers to dance.

[-] 3 points by hcmissile (7) 2 years ago

and what about the 1% who control the options and prices of homes, student loans, consumer products, education, medication and jobs?

If a controlling 1% rank up costs covertly while creating elaborate methods to fool an uninformed 99%... how is it the fault of that controlled 99% for being under such deception if they were born into it?

If the deception that trickles down from that 1% is the only thing an individual knows about the world, wouldn't that individual simply respond to everything without questioning their ideas before telling other people how to live, since that is how they were taught?

Wouldn't that mean that the 99% who wish for freedom have a responsibility to themselves to undo this control?

Isn't freedom, in this case, to allow citizens access to the responsibility for what jobs and purpose they can perform?

bam.

[-] 2 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 2 years ago

Stop trying to be an apologist for corporate miscreants! It makes you look and sound silly.

Banks knowingly loaned money -- knowingly -- to people who they knew had no possibility whatsoever of repaying that loan. Never would have happened had we still had Glass-Steagall Act!!

Then the banks packaged the loans, sent them to several intermediaries -- all of whom make a quick buck -- before shipping this junk loan crap to Wall Street, who sliced and diced it, made huge profits, and then -- with the help of Moodys, Standard and Poors, and the other rating agencies, sold this junk to investors who, because of the high ratings and AIG's insurance backing, bought them.

Grow up. What fantasy world do you live in? Jerk.

[-] 0 points by imthe4percent (56) 2 years ago

Banks didn't make people take money or loans. I think growing up and being responsible are something you may want to consider.

[-] 2 points by Foursquare (2) 2 years ago

Why is the student's "gamble" in the American Dream not a solid investment?

Who caused the financial crisis, economic downturn and resulting unemployment: an individual who charged an iPad to a credit card thereby stimulating the economy or a financial elite who crashed the economy?

What can you afford to pay without a job?

[-] 1 points by rob204 (1) from Poplar, England 2 years ago

You do realise that if people only bought what they could afford, global capitalism would implode upon itself.

A lot of western capitalism is about keeping people in debt, whether it's households or small countries.

[-] 0 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

"Buy what you can afford to pay for and you won't have a problem."

Tell that to the PRIVATE banks who demanded--and received--a trillion dollars of PUBLIC taxpayer money so that they wouldn't collapse. PRIVATE COMPANIES! LOL...how does that square with your love of capitalism and your "buy what you can afford rule" (which, by the way, I agree with...)?

[-] 21 points by yasuo (20) 2 years ago

Hey NYPD,

We let you know that when NY is asleep Tokyo is awake and watching all this.

A part of the 99 % in Tokyo,

[-] 5 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Alright!! Keep up the good work of rebuilding over there!! This year wasn't a very good year for Japan. But that won't break your character.

[-] 4 points by hcmissile (7) 2 years ago

All in!!! Rock On Tokyo!

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

Thank you Tokyo!

Also for DBZ and Poke'mon and lots of other consciousness stimulations.

[-] 0 points by puff6962 (4052) 2 years ago

Japan has far less income inequality than we see here in America. They think our system shameless.

[-] 0 points by Sharpie933 (20) 2 years ago

NY is the city that never sleeps. Haven't you heard the song?

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[-] -1 points by Trump (-2) 2 years ago

Occupy a student loan, a shower & razor, a suit, some guts and tenacity, and work hard to occupy a job. Nothing worth having ever comes easy. You are entitled to NOTHING.

[-] -2 points by l31sh0p (279) from Sand Fork, WV 2 years ago

Watching them block public roads? That's illegal in the State of New York.

[+] -8 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

But wait! Look out your window! It's Godzilla!!

[-] 12 points by vegan4life83 (12) 2 years ago

this movement has become too large, and bigger than just one park! it will continue!

[-] 6 points by occupyALLparks (10) 2 years ago

The movement should continue in ALL parks in NYC.

Organize small marches to each park in the city.

Spread out, stop and talk to people during the marches and gain supporters along the way!

Without the large numbers they won't have all the excuses to break up the occupations. Record any police actions!

The numbers will grow in most of the parks. We can all be in solidarity without being in the same park. There are occupations all across the country, why not all across the city?

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 2 years ago

You need to get a job. Seriously you have way too much idol time on your hands. Even though the economy is shitty, most folks go to work and don't have time to play in the parks.

[-] 10 points by cjmurray1 (6) 2 years ago

Sorry to hear about the crap going on out there. Good luck from Ireland. Get 10,000+ onto the streets, all with tents on their backs, split into groups of 100+ and scatter, pitch on any open space .....

[-] 3 points by occupyALLparks (10) 2 years ago

Split into even smaller groups, then there is NO excuse to break up the occupations. No fire hazard, sanitary conditions, etc.

[-] 1 points by rocket88doowop (29) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

You have a good point. Any feedback?

[-] 8 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

The world is with you OWS!!!

[-] -1 points by Farleymowat (415) 2 years ago

Just a few hippies and miscellaneous local losers are with you OWS.

[-] 6 points by MignaKhan (17) 2 years ago

We have a warehouse. Set up shifts. The day shift sleeps during the night at the warehouse and the night shift occupies the Park the entire night fully awake. In this way the occupation continues 24/7 without having to set up tents. Make use of the property that has been donated for the cause to sleep and shower. The 99% will NOT be silenced or evicted !

[-] 1 points by rocket88doowop (29) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Where is the warehouse you are referring to?

[-] 5 points by aquabuddah (30) from Holland, MI 2 years ago

Occupy EVERYTHING. Flash mobs, instant takeovers, all-out guerrilla tactics.

[-] 7 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

No, not guerrilla tactics, or at least not violence. Why do you think police and FBI infiltrators always try to get a movement to turn violent?

[-] 1 points by eliaz (4) 2 years ago

Well, guerrilla tactics needn't be violent.

[-] 1 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

Really--in what way? I'd appreciate it if you could give some examples. Thanks very much.

[-] 5 points by Dublin99 (65) 2 years ago

Take Back America!

[-] 2 points by DavidAppaloosa (4) 2 years ago

Join the GA for phase two proposal! http://occupyportland.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=873

[-] 1 points by FreeMarskeet (10) 2 years ago

"The movement and its supporters can now start fighting back with violence"

So you're trying to get these people put in jail for treason while you sit safely in Norway with no fear of legal repercussions?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Read it in the context please.This is when the majority supports and or have joined the occupy movement. It s simply just defending democracy - the will of the people. Nothing controvercial about that.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarskeet (10) 2 years ago

Making your answer to my question yes?

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

how is defending democracy treason..?

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[-] 0 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

There is more than one way to fight. And when you're tired of being gassed or beaten you'll realize it.

[-] 0 points by FreeMarskeet (10) 2 years ago

Not sure what you mean?

I'm not calling for violence, read that guy's blog.

Stage 3 first paragraph under the first picture.

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Nor am I. I am calling for self-defense. Self-defense doesn't mean violence. It means to protect one's self. There are many ways to make it so that a cop can't even touch you. Or if they get their mits on you, discourage them.

Take the skunk for example, it's method of self-defense is very non-violent but brutally effective.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

And what the guy above of course isn´t mentioning is that stage III in my article is the stage where the majority supports and/or have joined the movement. The majority of people defending themselves, defending democracy against reactionaries who want to violently disrupt the will of the people is not controvercial at all.

[+] -4 points by jayp74 (195) 2 years ago

Your Stage 3 involves majority support.

Newsflash: A small minority in this country supports what you are doing. Your "99%" mantra is completely delusional. If you resort to guerilla tactics and more violence, your supporter will shrink even further.

For most in this country, the capitalist system works just fine.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Thats why its important to build the movement up and start convincing others to join (cf stage I and II) Self defense can start when we re the majority - nothing controvercial about that

[+] -4 points by jayp74 (195) 2 years ago

I've been coming here for a couple of weeks now and you haven't convinced me. Everyone I know thinks your movement is a joke. I'm willing to listen, but so far haven't seen any plausible ideas. I don't like the corruption and greed, but occupying is not a strategy. Try attacking it from the political side. It's Washington that makes the rules which allow the corruption to thrive. Start there.

[-] 1 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

There´s a problem with that: The politicians are in the pockets of the finiancial elite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN2Q6sdh6Bg

[-] 1 points by Adonis9898 (11) 2 years ago

Oh but it is a strategy and a wonderful one at that. People are complaining of being disturbed by the protest to such an extent that the mayor had to raid the protest last night to try and acquire some peace of mind. That cost those complainers and the city boatloads of money. The raid on occupy Oakland was estimate at 2.4 million. Each time you regroup and they try to evict you again, you are hitting them in the only place it matters to them, their pocket books. Eventually they will have to realize they either have to accept your permanent disturbance, or compromise where they have been unwilling to do so thus far.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

do you think you would have came to this forum if there were not people protesting in the streets?

[-] 0 points by jayp74 (195) 2 years ago

Yes.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

well, you are a more driven person than i was. I had come to the conclusion that I would fiddle while Rome burned. But now I want to learn what I can do to change Rome into America.

[-] 4 points by dakota (62) from Canton, MI 2 years ago

OWS is inspiring!!! The world has seen how the corrupt political leadership in these United States will behave when confronted by its people. What is a shame is that the police, who have acted upon orders, will one day have to explain to their children and grandchildren why they were on the wrong side of history! Long Live OWS !!! Power to the People!!!

[-] 4 points by philG (4) 2 years ago

I live in the UK and will be watching the events in NY as they unfold over the coming days. Keep it peaceful guys, stay strong and stay unified.

respect!

[-] 4 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Occupiers need to make it clearer to the police what the police have been asked to do.

I suggest following the Egyptians and the Libyans: Carry the Flag when they attack Americans. We have as much right to use it as they do.

Carry it upside down if you want to, and chant "We are Americans," to paraphrase Sharmar Thomas' "These are US citizens."

The police will not sense the wrong they are doing unless we make it clearer for them. Make it clear to them that they are attacking the 99% of Americans.

http://www.jeffhead.com/liberty/flagdistress.htm

[-] 4 points by tacvermer (5) 2 years ago

I am a little sad about what took place last night, but I know the park was just a small symbol of the whole. Winter is inevitable just as the actions from the police last night. But nothing can stop the actions that will take place this winter and then get ready for the spring as we will be bursting into every sentence spoke in the usa and around the world. I feel so positive and confident. This is great

[+] -5 points by glassprisoner19 (-4) 2 years ago

You are not productive. You are pathetic. As is this "movement." Get jobs, go home, pay taxes, and help the US rather than hurt it.

[-] 2 points by Cocreator (306) 2 years ago

There are no jobs,and they took my home..

[-] 1 points by rcarmstrong (115) from Cadyville, NY 2 years ago

Educate yourself. It would be wonderful if the solution was as simple as that. Jobs? Check out what has been exported overseas in the last 30 years by the same corporations who get tax breaks which rob our treasury of revenue. Taxes? Check out the caps on social security for the rich, and how hedge fund holders pay 15% to the average citizen's 25%. There are solid criticisms that need to be expressed; the information is available but not in the mainstream media. Do the research and your eyes will open.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

We are demonstrating tough love, the only love that Amercans need

[-] 3 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

To the Tea/indep., and your hateful comments about OWS! How do you feel to be a part of a party that is eradicating the middle to the upper middle class; where do you see yourselves in 5years making 3% on the dollar while the wealthy GOP just uses every ounce of you all up…Not just the United States but you…, the GOP are transparent to the world now….we see what you are doing. Here comes the Tea/indep. clowns....Puppets to the GOP! The GOP/tea-indep.- repub. Ashamed to even know them! The hateful emails about OSW on msn. They are fighting for your rights too! Where do you see yourselves in 5 years, do you think the GOP cares! Look at their actions in the newly formed Congress!! OWS is doing something no one would even think about doing. Your anger calling them names sounding like the dominions for the GOP and then saying join the tea. How stupid do you think they are? They are 100xs smarter…Ashamed to be associated with the GOP/tea-indep-repub. OWS we all believe in you. Unlike the tea the OWS cause is just and correct. Unlike the newly put GOP/repub. in office who stifles the progress of the US for a vote! Not just America sees it but the whole world knows now! Ashamed to be GOP!

[-] 3 points by RodrigoToscano (5) 2 years ago

Now

Liberty Square actually lives in peoples' hearts

It is a place bounded neither by ground nor sky nor skyscrapers

It is a place we will return to over and over

It is a place not accessible to armed police, mayors, nor appropriators

It is, in fact, impossible to roust those who are actually there

Mic Check! Mic Check; HaHa, HaHa; HaHaHa, HaHaHa

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Absolutely!!

There are no permanent structures to be 'dozed, and no headship to be lopped off. Both of these features make this movement virtually unstoppable.

The only thing that can -possibly- stop this movement is if those who support it, stop doing so, or there's a divide that undermines it..

I hope that neither of those two things -ever- happen.

Power to the People.

[-] 3 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

Don't Give Up America and the World believes in you.

[-] 3 points by vrptx (42) 2 years ago

Keep up the fight for those of us who cannot be there...You must stay in the news and be seen even if you have to go to daily marches. Stay visible.

[-] 3 points by peoplepowr (14) 2 years ago

It would be a good Idea to protect ourselves against the pepper spray and tear gas with goggles and particle respirator masks. We could don on helmets and body gear to protect against police batons.

[-] 3 points by nate (48) 2 years ago

When the police were used as thugs of the elite to crackdown in Egypt what did the people do?

[-] 3 points by nate (48) 2 years ago

This is our Tahrir moment. Police are being used nationwide as thugs for a corrupt elite. We will not be the next Syria. We are the land of the free. We will prevail.

[-] 3 points by Naa (3) 2 years ago

I just called Mayor Bloomberg about the cowardly police raid and eviction of Occupy Wall Street last night. You can too! Just leave a message with the 311 operator for the Office of the Mayor.

Tell him you care more about freedom of speech & assembly and justice for the 99% than the bullshit issues he's concerned about - like the 90,000 hotel rooms he's promising New Yorkers to build. Tell him that police raids on OWS and the daily police surveillance & brutality towards our communities are unacceptable.

212.788.3058

Then come to the OWS 9am Post-Raid Rally at Canal St and 6th Avenue today.

[-] 3 points by Adonis9898 (11) 2 years ago

And make sure to mention the raids are too expensive. It cost 2.4million to clear the park the Oakland occupiers were using. That's a hefty sanitation bill. Its clear the cities are happy to waste tax payer's money without any foresight. I wonder what 2.4 million how many jobs could have been created by all that money rather than make trouble for peaceful protesters

[-] 3 points by abettertomorrow (10) 2 years ago

No violence, let's not make this a political movement, stay peaceful, we just need massive amounts of people! Cant wait for thursday!!!! Spread the word everywhere! What are we planning to do if riot police and the cops plan on stopping the massive protest with tear gas and violence? anyone fearing a riot?

[-] 5 points by Adonis9898 (11) 2 years ago

Avoid violence and rioting at all costs. Peaceful protesting costs those who resist more money than they can tolerate, provided the protests persist. Let them get angry and violent and be content with their demonstrating their own hypocrisy. Doing so will be what makes more people continue to take note of this worthy endeavor.

[-] 2 points by LucValentine (3) 2 years ago

42 USC Sec.1983: Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Nice. and in twenty years it gets to the Supreme Court and they refuse to hear the case...

[-] 2 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Does anyone have ACCURATE information on the judge that has ruled that the city cannot evict the protesters in Zucotti Park? I understand there is an appeal being heard now and that at 3pm the decision will be made.... But when did this injunction and the subsequent ruling happen??

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

**See Reader Supported News or Truthout; one of them carried the story. Can't link to it right now. Lawyer's Guild reportedly obtained the court order.

Good luck!!

[-] 1 points by rocket88doowop (29) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The governments of the USA always break the law in order to harm people and it is very bad!

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 2 years ago

Uh...thanks but that's not the information I was looking for.

[-] 2 points by ericbis (2) 2 years ago

9 hours ago, my good friend in the peace corps, in Malawi watched this raid happen on al Jazerra. NYPD, New York, the world IS watching.

[-] 2 points by rocket88doowop (29) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

There aught to also be an Occupy of Herald Square in Manhattan, New York City, New York near Macy's and an Occupy of the neighborhood where I live, the Dyker Heights section of Brooklyn, New York City, New York like, for example, in Dyker Beach Park. At all Occupy sites, there aught to be housing, food, medical care, showers, and all other necessities even if the housing, food, and all other necessities are provided outside of the protest sites.

[-] 2 points by anotheranon666 (2) 2 years ago

Perhaps we could set up our own social networking service. There's been talk amongst anonymous of setting up an independent internet as well, due to the COICA Act. As for protecting ourself from the brutal policing by mayors, DAs and police commissioners, I've been dreaming of mobilizing the occupy movement. That is, setting up mass transportation that continually circulates protestors from occupation to occupation. While this would not specifically avoid legal troubles the mobile/travelling lifestyle would help with their escape

[-] 1 points by rocket88doowop (29) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Please do so.

[-] 2 points by nate (48) 2 years ago

A question for the trolls on this thread: Rather than stand against people who already have something to stand for - why not go find your own thing to stand for?

[-] 2 points by yogarevolutionary (2) 2 years ago

Call the Mayor here:

+1-212-NEW-YORK (639-9675)

Call the NYPD here:

+1-646-610-5000

Please call with your comments about the eviction! Let's Occupy their phone lines!

[-] 2 points by accudoc (2) 2 years ago

to Do: Finance all elections with public money Ban lobbyists Get rid of the Federal Reserve Break up the big banks Initiate one person one vote Reinstitute taxes of 95% on the 1% Tax all trading on the exchanges Ban Credit Default Swaps and all other dervitative Jail the bankers who created this mess Fine the major news media for lying each time to the public If the above does not happen: STOP PAYING TAXES: TAX HOLIDAY APRIL 15th. Remember the 1% brought the wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afganistan, the coups in Chile, Iran, Guatamala, Honduras, El Salvador, Indonesia, Libya and the present repression in Egypt. They support the brutal dictatorships around the world. They dont care about other human beings. Look how much death and destruction they have supported over the years. It is going to take a lot more than street protests to take them down.

[-] 2 points by MrFawkes (2) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

It is the time for tactics. As long as the protesters sit in one place, in one park, they are sitting ducks. They need to spread out. They need to be mobile when needed. Be unpredictable. Spread the nypd thin. They can't evict Manhattan.

[-] 2 points by peoplepowr (14) 2 years ago

We need to be armed with goggles and masks to at least ward off the pepper spray and gas. The only thing they understand is money so let`s hit them where it will hurt. I am calling for a mass widespread coordinated week long strike, in at least every city being occupied. They will lose millions in revenue. We have power so lets use it!

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Flying to NY today!

[-] 2 points by rushkoff (3) from Yonkers, NY 2 years ago

If you can occupy Zucotti Park The rest of us can occupy reality.

And by that same logic: As the nights get colder, as the Mayor grows less tolerant, or as the police get more violent,

Remember that you have already won.

Whatever happens in this square, the day you leave is not the day you have lost it is not the day you have surrendered.

It is the day you have spread out. It is the day you have declared a bigger battlefield. It is the day you teachers and we students become the same.

It is the day we Occupy the World.

[-] 2 points by nance898 (2) 2 years ago

I'm just an old lady in the midwest but I am proud of OWS standing up for the 99%. I see too many friends having long term unemployment, too many house foreclosures by many people who lost their jobs and or had medical problems and they had only a modest home. 545 people ( Congress, senate,/house, President, Fed reserve) make the laws for us 300,000,000 unfairly.

[-] 2 points by ryanansary (2) 2 years ago

It's all politics, coming from DC where lobbiest with Obama seat....Bloomberg is one of them... What kind of president Obama is who doesn't keep a single promise ...Obama talk about right of people in other coutry , invade other country in the name of human right, but when it come to its own coutry ,he is playing hardcore politics.... Now America is definitely going to loose what is left, once he attack on Iran...

[-] 2 points by abettertomorrow (10) 2 years ago

also a judge has declared the raids illegal.

[-] 2 points by allasone (4) 2 years ago

The financial mess is after all another symptom of the illness we have in human society all over the globe. Where kids grow up being told they should be the best rather than work cooperatively. where the culture icons are the idols famous for their wealth. where songs we hear tell us things as "Live Rich or Die Trying"

In such society there is no place for blaming people for being greedy or working only for a bigger bonus. They are simply a product of our current society.

We have to change the education and culture around us for one that encourages co-operation and altruism and where celebrities are those who show a personal example for caring and helping others abouve their personal profit. Only then the world will be a better place.

[-] 2 points by stevo (314) 2 years ago

Yea lets go..EVERYONE...(except that guy who shit on the curb and didn't wash his hands).

[-] 2 points by abettertomorrow (10) 2 years ago

apparently there had been occupy wall street raids all over the country, this is no cleaning procedure.

[-] 2 points by allasone (4) 2 years ago

The financial mess is after all another symptom of the illness we have in human society all over the globe. Where kids grow up being told they should be the best rather than work cooperatively. where the culture icons are the idols famous for their wealth. where songs we hear tell us things as "Live Rich or Die Trying"

In such society there is no place for blaming people for being greedy or working only for a bigger bonus. They are simply a product of our current society.

We have to change the education and culture around us for one that teaches co-operation and altruism and where celebrities are people setting a personal example for caring and helping society. Only then the world will be a better place.

[-] 2 points by NormalforNorfolk (3) 2 years ago

They don't like it up 'em!!

Good luck from England, we're watching!

American cunty companies are working with the bastard tories and lying Lib-dems to fuck up our NHS, and they're winning!!!

[-] 2 points by abettertomorrow (10) 2 years ago

beware of news/fbi/cop infiltrators within the crowds. Fox news just announced and i quote "our inflitrator has tweeted us with information about their destination, some deciding to go back to zuccotti park, some to foley...." these assholes can really slow down our movement. Le sigh.

[-] 2 points by JonValle (133) 2 years ago

It is sad and irritating this happened. However, in my opinion, the park was just a mere symbol. We need to regroup and reorganize. We need to focus our efforts on the change we wish to bring about. The money, man power and people donated need to be better utilized.

Remember, this is a Marathon and we need to focus on the long term.

See everyone on the 17th

[-] 2 points by vanorman (-2) 2 years ago

Psalm 123: 4 Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy, * for we have had more than enough of contempt,

5 Too much of the scorn of the indolent rich, * and of the derision of the proud.

[-] -1 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Please get over your_self.

[-] 2 points by macker1 (2) 2 years ago

Keep up the good work lads. We're all with you. Look forward to seeing you all back in Wall Street and beyond.

[-] 2 points by occupyoccupyoccupy (14) 2 years ago

in toronto following all of this was suppose to start an essay at 6 am but cant stop following these heartbreaking events when i was in NYC in mid october and visited the camp it was one of the most hopefully energetic places i have ever been hopefully something will happen that is bigger then liberty sq now that they have decided to take such measures. respond accordingly Occupy!! you have more supporters in this world then it shows and im sorry im not there to stand with you as those pigs came.

[-] 2 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

OWS the World believes in You too!

[-] 2 points by occupyoccupyoccupy (14) 2 years ago

at 9 am you should be at the stock exchange!!!!

[-] 2 points by PatSnel (2) 2 years ago

Be strong! All our support from Toronto!!! They are planning to evict us as well, we can't back down now.

[-] 2 points by wealthyslave639 (3) 2 years ago

When I awoke this morning I was totally disgusted to see what went on last night. I wish I could be there with all of you. Please, please don't give up. The world is watching and last I knew this is America. They have dumbed down the American people for years and finally because of this movement we are fighting back. This should have been done when we bailed out Wall Street but no we all just sat back and said okay take our money. The people who should be getting arrested are our lawmakers and the wall street honchos. Michigan at this very moment is being run by a dictator. We have no say in what is going on. I am the 99%.

[-] 2 points by Cocreator (306) 2 years ago

Suits All huddled in a fortifide bunker,eyes closed,chanting make it all go away..

[-] 2 points by jmiller (2) from Marblehead, MA 2 years ago

I TOTALLY support the movement and have contributed to Occupy Boston, but at this point, please consider NOT taking back the park; the homeless people have been your downfall. Instead - please consider daily protests around the city.

[-] 2 points by truebleu (2) 2 years ago

Love & Support to you all from Tacoma,Washington--keep up the good fight!

[-] 2 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

They are heading from Foley Sq. to Bloomberg's press conference now at City Hall.

[-] 2 points by Adonis9898 (11) 2 years ago

Good work last night OWS. Do you realize how much it cost the city to make those 70 or so arrests? If you persist, they cannot possibly afford to keep the fight up. Keep at it. Nor would their police force have the stamina to continue a prolonged fight without seriously sacrificing doing actual police work. The inevitable result would be an increase in crime, and that would scare them straight pretty fast. I do hope you have the energy and conviction to see this through.

[-] 2 points by studentfromchicago (9) 2 years ago

Love and support from Chicago!

[-] 2 points by PeteG2 (393) 2 years ago

I'm very sorry the park was cleared, but it will bring out more supporters. Expanding the protests across the city is exactly the right tactic now.

Let's keep the faith. Keep protesting. Keep it nonviolent. Keep it legal to give the mayor and police no excuse to silence us. Let's be a great big thorn in the side of the smug 1% and their pets in government until we turn the nation back toward the path of economic justice.

http://fairsharetaxes.org

[-] 2 points by gretchen (2) 2 years ago

The occupiers of the Hotel Madrid, Los Indignatos, who started their occupation on May 15th 2011 in Puerto del Sol will be issuing a statement of support for OWS.

[-] 2 points by qazxsw123 (238) 2 years ago

Let's seize the moment.

High time to find and vote into office a Third Party CANDIDATE!

and why not?????

It's worth the experiment. Trying a regime change here, peacefully legally.

we can recruit all of these energetic unemployed people: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/us/politics/students-lose-enthusiasm-to-fight-for-obama-again.html?hp

Who? 1.Bernie Sanders 2.Kucinich 3.Nader 4.E. Warren 5.Max Keiser 6.Thom Hartmann other?

[-] 2 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

The GOP/tea-indep.- repub. Ashamed to even know them! The hateful emails about OSW on msn. They are fighting for your rights too! Where do you see yourselves in 5 years, do you think the GOP cares! Look at their actions in the newly formed Congress!! OWS is doing something no one would even think about doing. Your anger calling them names sounding like the dominions for the GOP and then saying join the tea. How stupid do you think they are? They are 100xs smarter…Ashamed to be associated with the GOP/tea-indep-repub. OWS we all believe in you. Unlike the tea the OWS cause is just and correct. Unlike the newly put GOP/repub. in office who stifles the progress of the US for a vote! Not just America sees it but the whole world knows now! Ashamed to be GOP!

[-] 2 points by nowoccupy (40) 2 years ago

"We must state that we already understand the historical truth that whoever fires the first shot often loses the war." - from The New Common Sense http://pastebin.com/gm2UV08D

[-] 2 points by apato (6) 2 years ago

HOW MANY ARE WE ?!?! GO TO THIS SITE !

www.theindignados.org

Go to this website, and show your indignation, just by putting your name in a text box ! Let show the world how many Indignants/occupants are we !

[-] 2 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

Good luck! I really hope you (we!) can come up with an effective response to this "crackdown".

[-] 2 points by rozgnatt (1) 2 years ago

OWS, you are the prophets; you are the hope to reclaim this broken nation!

[-] 2 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 2 years ago

This is not the end.

This is the end of the beginning.

Until our so-called representatives pay at least as much attention the great majority as they do to the handful of well-heeled lobbyists and elite, then this movement will continue to ramp up. Everywhere.

[-] 2 points by YoungRL (3) 2 years ago

Please don't give up, OWS! Let us know what you need when you have the chance so we can send you new supplies!

[-] 2 points by andrles (1) 2 years ago

Wish I could join with all you folks, but i'm on the other side of the world. Occupy for me please!

[-] 2 points by infonomics (393) 2 years ago

The world is with you. Be brave but be careful.

[-] 2 points by freemansullivan (4) 2 years ago

OccupySF supports Occupy Wall Street & the 99% 100%!

[-] 2 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

This morning's meeting reiterated and again confirmed for 9 am as planned.

[-] 2 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

GA going on right now Foley Square http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

[-] 2 points by Dublin99 (65) 2 years ago

Occupy Central Park?

A public park with plenty of space.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

And Central Park offers soft ground for camping, with much better drainage, too.

Though it's a bit far from Wall St., and the corporate criminals who need the continued spotlight in order to be properly exposed and purged from this place.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Wow!! Someone didn't like my Central Park comment. For real?

I'm hurt. Mortally wounded. Could someone rep me please??

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

"It's only a flesh wound.."

[-] 2 points by shkr88y (5) 2 years ago

Fight the oppression. Reclaim the streets. Your calling is here.

[-] 2 points by chainlaw (1) 2 years ago

ill be in school,but ill be sure to support as soon as i leave!

[-] 2 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

They get paid by the hour. Our time is free. You tell me who can last longer!!

Our spirit will always be there, long after their over-time funds are depleted.

They cannot win; they cannot even effectively postpone. The system can only take cheap shots like they did tonight, and hope this Movement runs out of gas. But we run on opposition to their shallow tricks. And now we're fully fueled!!

The whole world is watching.

[+] -4 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

We will not permit anyone to use Manhattan as their "Ground Zero". If you want to protest, then do it somewhere else like Washington DC. Many people live and work in Manhattan. I am not against the message or your protest, but I am against you victimizing innocent New Yorkers who live and work around the area each day.

As they say at the bar, you dont have to go home, but you can't stay here. Its closing time at the park. You can keep doing what you are doing, but take it somewhere else.

[-] 5 points by robp88 (5) 2 years ago

Like they say in the bar-'are you drunk?' Mayor, can I call you Mike? I think I will. Mike, the real crimes that occurred on Wall Street were never investigated. Goldman and JP Morgan have never been held accountable for their massive crimes. That is who you protect, because, as you may or may not be aware, The protesters are 'innocent new yorkers'- but you would not know about all that. They are not on the cocktail circuit. You are behaving like the majority of the people are your enemy. I suspect you will be right about that soon enough. 2 a.m, violent raid, no press allowed... We see the writing on the wall.

[-] 1 points by skizzy (445) 2 years ago

Mike Bloomberg is a dictator ... On October 2, 2008, Bloomberg announced that he would seek to extend the city's term limits law and run for a third mayoral term in 2009, arguing that a leader of his field is needed during the Wall Street financial crisis. "Handling this financial crisis while strengthening essential services ... is a challenge I want to take on," Bloomberg told at a news conference. "So should the City Council vote to amend term limits, I plan to ask New Yorkers to look at my record of independent leadership and then decide if I have earned another term". On October 23, 2008, the City Council voted 29–22 in favor of extending the term limit to three consecutive four-year terms, thus allowing Bloomberg to run for office again.After two days of public hearings, Bloomberg signed the bill into law on November 3.

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Come next election you will have a vote. If you feel this President did not do enough or failed to act, then you have another choice. You also can run for President. Again, laying about a park with no end in site and no specific goals will not get you anywhere or solve any of that.

I think I am doing you a favor by evicting you from the park. Now you can focus on solutions that will work versus simply trashing out a public park.

[-] 3 points by Dublin99 (65) 2 years ago

We'll take it directly to you.

[-] 1 points by MeAndWeThePeople (59) from Chicago, IL 2 years ago

Mayor Bloomberg, you can't buy a third term in a democracy. It is time you resign from office.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Oddly enough, there were very similar messages spoken by persons who claimed to be (passively) supportive of the civil rights marches in the early 60s, too.

Next you'll be telling me that "Some of (your) best friends are Black people and OWSers," right?

"We support you; we just don't want you -here-."

Time to decide which mud puddle you're standing in, Mr. Bloomberg.

'Cause the WHOLE world is watching.... really.

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

You are victimizing innocent New Yorkers and, as the mayor, I will not stand for that. Lower Manhattan is no one's Ground Zero. Leave NYC alone and take this somewhere else. This isnt the 60s and this isnt about civil rights. This is, however, about the rights of New Yorkers and you are clearly infringing upon them.

[-] 3 points by NightsDrkstDawn (11) 2 years ago

"..this isnt about civil rights."?!?!?! Do you know ANYTHING about Constitutional Law and the document that our country was founded upon?! The Constitution explicitly and implicitly protects Americans' Civil Liberties!! The EXACT Liberties that you are directly violating listed in the First, Fourth, and arguably, the Ninth Amendments! Study up on that Case Law and precedent because this is DEFINITELY about our CIVIL RIGHTS as an American Citizen!!

[-] 3 points by NightsDrkstDawn (11) 2 years ago

Thank you Turtle for reminding me that the aforementioned original Amendments are applied to the State of New York through the later added Fourteenth Amendment under "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Oh, Mr. Bloomberg you must have the abridged version that left out the "liberty."

[-] 3 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Thank you for honoring my words.

Yes, this is about civil liberties of various sorts. The fact that an Oligarch can't see that (the Mayor and others) isn't surprising at all. In fact, I'd expect nothing more from them. It's what the political class in this country has slumped to; willful blindness.

I do find it humorous that I'm being told to go home and get a job; I'm in my 50s, a former licensed mental health clinician, raising three children, all of whom perform above average in school, and my wife runs a clinic.

I was in Zuccotti Park/Liberty Sq. 2 weeks ago for four days. I saw no overt victimization of any significant sorts, what so ever.

Who do these clowns think takes the time to research their antics and spin, anyway? Kids at the local car wash?

[-] 2 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The "get a job" thing is their mantra. It's so strange. I also have a job and am told regularly on this website and at Zuccotti to get a job (it's ironic that this is usually yelled at me on a saturday, when I, like most other people, have the time off to go down there... unfortunately, this job will probably keep me from going down there today).

But what's worse is that it fundamentally misreads the moral message of OWS. It completely ignores the reality of the situation: the roughly 14 million people unemployed (according to official estimates, so it's probably higher) in a climate with an estimated 2.5 million jobs currently unoccupied. We're not protesting just so we can have a job and go back to ignoring the world around us - we're protesting a rigged world that systematically excludes people from gainful employment just to increase corporate profits.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

On the bright side, the Oligarchs and their comfortably-subjugated minions, often demonstrate a lack of insight or brilliance.

When I consider that fact, I sometimes think, "You know, if they can be -that- damned ignorant, -and- have wealth, then there's still a chance for me to live in real comfort one day."

Then I consider how many of them got ahold of that dough, and I think, "Nah, I'll remain meager and with integrity; cheating others is no way to go to my grave."

Thanks for your efforts, and don't let the bastards wear you down.

;^>)

[-] 1 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Thanks for the thanks, and don't say "your efforts" - I don't want to repeat our own mantras, but I happen to believe this one: anyone who supports us, online or at their local park, is one of us.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

I've been among you; several weeks ago. Visiting every day, and leaving a total of 7 lbs. of moose jerky with your kitchen.

And I've followed you on-line, before my visit there, and since my return home..

I was enchanted to tears the first night at Liberty Square, having the sense that I'd found my long-lost siblings from many years, and a revolution or two ago.

I was found by one of your more active members, at the public library at 42 St. & 5th Ave, who acted as my guide, and helped me to meet some of those persons whom I needed to meet.

For over 40 years, since my adolescence, I'd watched this world turn more and more toward a corrupted mercenary function, finally losing hope a half-dozen years ago.

Then this Movement sprang up from thin air and dust.

I went through moments of unlimited hope, enchantment, to objective criticism and concerns of some internal inconsistencies I'd observed, and perceived short-comings, to disenchantment and depression, to a more level acceptance of the direction and workings; humanness is inextricably a part of the Movement, with all of its imperfections..

I never camped in a tent while I was there, though I live in Alaska, and am no stranger to tents.

But I am most definitely -with- you in spirit. I was touched by many persons there, and will always be a part of that. Always.

Last night seemed surreal, and there was no time for sadness. Only limited time for a sense of quiet urgency.

This morning there is a sense of sadness, thoughts of 'what if' related to possible loss of what was gained.

And disbelief, ironnically over what is completely believable; The system had always planned this, and it was plain, so, asking myself, "why the sense of surprise; they did what they always wanted to do??"

Because even when you know your child is going to fall and hurt themselves when learning to ride a bike, it still causes empathic pain when they fall and you scrape the gravel from the cuts and stop the bleeding.

For those of us who waited for years for a spark, who gave up on activism for the sense of hopelessness that the steamroller that took our country represented, I.. 'we'... hope this bounces back so hard that it resonates around the world and into the outer atmosphere..

I am with you, but I am awed by you. I have put faith into your actions. I have, since your start, seen friends empty their bank accounts, and place them into credit unions because of you. I was even told last night (though I don't know if it's true yet) that the City of Kodiak, Alaska has taken its money out of Wells Fargo, and placed it into a credit union, voting in solidarity with OWS... Because of YOU.

No, while many of us support you, we are diminished in your presence, if for no other reason than we had abandoned the hope that so many persons there brought back to life.

Stay strong... for all of us.

I hope to return some time soon, though I have things to resolve for and with my family here before I can be back there..

Do take care.

[-] 1 points by tribalscribal (7) 2 years ago

wrong! it is about civil rights, silly person. it's about freedom of assembly BUT it's also about the end of corporate america and the return of the united states of america. if you have children or grandchildren someday they'll ask: which side were you on. so, which side of history do you want to be on? on the side of criminal banksters & corporados?

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Since when did equal protection under the law cease being a matter of civil rights?

You know what crimes some of the banks have committed, and you know how the banks have been treated by the SEC. You know what they've gotten away with... for years. And I'd even wager you've profited from some of that..

You know those same criminal banks live and thrive inside your precious area in Manhattan.. -They- have created this Ground Zero you speak of. And -they- have harmed far more New Yorkers and others than anyone at Zuccotti Park ever dreamt of doing.

Get real, Mr. Bloomberg. Your foot-soldiers and lock-step monsters have even bloodied the head of one of your City Councilmen tonight.

It's obvious that you're struggling with what little conscience you have left. Do the right thing, and apply as much planning, pressure, and plotting toward shutting down crooked banks, cops, and politicians, as you have activists. You'll help to make New York, Manhattan, and the entire country a better place, and People will remember you more fondly, too.

More fondly than they'll remember you as of tomorrow morning, for sure.

By the way, how's it feel to piss away at least a goodly portion of your PR that'll be directly related to your diminished political aspirations, all for one moment of ill-fated convenience, conjured up in some over-rated choreographed move of unnecessary heavy-handedness, so you could act in synch with two or three other major cities who you have next to nothing in common with, simply 'cause someone thought that strategically it would make a bigger splash??

Who ever that consultant was, after tomorrow's egg is wiped from your face, if it were me, I'd fire them. 'Cause s/he just put a big ol' dent in your hopes for future elections. At least, anywhere beyond where you are now.

Of course, the campaign contribution promises from the bankers might be heading upward right about now... I guess you can always count on that Judas money..

For sure, until one day you decide to follow your heart, and it conflicts with what they thought they told you to do.

Sound familiar?.

Yep. This is gonna' require a WHOLE lot of spin, and some serious amounts of that 4-year amnesia on the part of the voters, too.

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

If you feel you have been wronged by the banks, then we have a court system you can use to solve those grievances. However, my city is not going to be victimized by anyone. I have a responsibility to the people of this good city. I will not let NYC be targeted by anyone and for any reason.

Take this to Washington DC. Laying about a park for months on end being a public nuisance will not solve anything. Menacing local businesses and residents will not solve anything.

Leave NYC alone...go home and get a job.

[-] 2 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Would that be the courts staffed with judges, appointed by the politicians, who now take campaign money directly from the bankers, et al., who previously took money from the two primary Nat'l Committees, who took money from the bankers, et al.?

I just want to be clear as to where you are directing me..

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

I am directing you to the next election. You will have one vote during that election. If you want to make a change, then that change cannot be done by laying about a park and causing trouble. Change occurs at the voting booth not on the concrete floor of a public park.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Mr. Bloomberg, are your referring to voting for candidates like you,who bought and paid for 3 elections?

Our politicians have been, in general, vetted or captured by the very people and organizations this movement is fighting. Their campaigns are financed by those same people. As a result, virtually no one who runs, regardless of public promises, represents the electorate's interests. They are simply too beholding to those who got them their positions of power.

In other words, Sir, until the corruption of politicians by Big Money stops, our democracy is little more than a sham. our votes merely ratify the choices the financial elite have already made for us. Elections today are like choosing predetermined items on a menu - no substitutions allowed. Our votes mean little to nothing. It is a tragedy and a disgrace.

You claim, ingenuously, that you are not against the message of the Occupy Wall Street movement.It is painfully clear to most people, however. that you don't have an understanding of that message. Your statement the other day which asserted that government, not the financial industry caused the recession, - a claim that has been thoroughly discredited time and again - demonstrates this lack of understanding.

The issues are clear, our democracy has been highjacked by financiers, who continue to rig the system daily. Gathering in front of their symbolic and real places of business is far more appropriate than going to Washington. Camping there calls greater and greater attention to the economic inequities and distortion of our democracy, and trying to attain a critical mass of support is necessary, given the odds stacked against the movement; those odds having become longer with your scurrilous action last night.

You mention $500K available to the movement to fight these injustices. The financial sector spends tens of BILLIONS of dollars each year alone in lobbying. Your implication that the competition for representation in the halls of power is equivalent, played out on a level playing field, is simply shameless.

The inconveniencing of a few businesses, and even fewer residents is unfortunate. In a city as crowded as New York, there are bound to be some few who are impacted adversely by any crowd gathered for any reason. But what is at stake is the restoration of democracy itself. And that would benefit those very shopkeepers and residents in the long run.

The city has not been held hostage. In the tradition of the Bonus Army and various Hoovervilles, this peaceful gathering has simply unmasked the simmering resentment of tens of millions of people in this city, this country, and the world. Camping in public parks to redress grievances has a long a noble history in this nation. It is too bad you, instead, deem it as little more than "causing trouble". Causing trouble, especially peacefully, is what the first amendment was expressly written to protect.

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Look! This is over. Its done. Now its time to go home. NYC has had enough. This game is over!

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Frankly, sir, I don't believe that you are in fact the Mayor of New York. You are apparently a troll masquerading as him. At the very least, the Mayor is not so incredibly stupid as to call this a game.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

He's already given several clues that he's not Mr. Bloomberg.

But I figured it was still worth exercising a reading of the issues upon who ever he is.

Ya' never know who you might be able to educate in the wee hours of a night filled with neo-fascism and blacked out press.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Agreed, and it is why I wrote my first, lengthy response.

I DO however, really wish that a moderator or the administrator of this site would ban him. It's bad enough having to deal with the usual trolls, but those who claim to be someone else is really beyond the pale. Absolutely disgusting.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

I don't know; I considered writing back to him as Richard Nixon.

I had myself chuckling at the would-be conversation as it unfolded in my mind. I fully intended to tell him to save himself some time and grace, and not repeat some of 'my' mistakes. ;^>)

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

That's not a very informative reply to what was a very respectful and thoughtful (not to mention factual) assertion.

Frustrated by reality?

And what's this 'done' stuff about. I think your actions last night dictate that it's only the -beginning-. Like the droves of folks who went to NYC, like myself, after watching your Inspector Anthony Bologna, sociopath extraordinaire, mace those three women.

Haven't you guys learned anything yet??

[-] 1 points by tribalscribal (7) 2 years ago

ha! the voting booth. elections have been bought lock, stock & barrell by you corporados. don't give us bs.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Do you mean the election wherein the same contributors of m/billions of dollars in campaign contributions, courtesy of Citizens United, effectively structure or 'sculpt' the Primary Ballot, allowing hood-winked and gullible voters to choose one of two primary puppets, who have been permitted to be on that ballot by virtue of their promises to those same corporate contributors?

That election?

Oh boy, I can't wait! The pure and uncorrupted democratic process of it all!! It's simply dizzying!!

I mean, if you buy into the facade, and all..

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Money does not change how people feel. Look at Herman Cain. Several women accusing him of misconduct, but he isnt losing supporters. Either you are the man they want to elect or you are not. Its that simple.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

No, money buys exposure, and that dictates who gets onto the primary ballots and into the debates.

Have you already forgotten your own campaign history? Really?

And Herman Cain? Really? All of Herman Cain's bravado in his stumping amounts to no more than Barry O's did.

Campaign promises have never been enforceable as verbal contracts in the courts, though I think it's -way- past time that they ought to be...

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Its time for you to go home. Its over, game over! You have a lot of growing up to do. No more playing American revolutionary. Find yourself some work, find yourself someone to marry and contribute to society rather then trash out a city park and victimize New Yorkers. This is not your park...it is not your ground zero. Now go!

[-] 2 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Umm, I'm in my 50s, have a graduate degree, plus add'l education, clean criminal record, I'm a former licensed mental health clinician, married for over 22 years now, former board member for our state chapter of the ACLU (the AkCLU; that's Alaska, for those who don't recognize postal abbreviations), have three kids who perform above average (*See post somewhere in this discussion), my wife runs a clinic providing services for opiate addicts and those persons with HIV/AIDS, and I've probably traveled more miles than you have.... Sir..

Grow up? You mean, accept the tilted nature of this game of yours, and let you continue with your status quo?

Not a chance in ALL of Hell.... Sir..

[-] 1 points by rcarmstrong (115) from Cadyville, NY 2 years ago

Hey, Turtle, Thanks for your patience, and for your service. I've enjoyed reading your and others' comments on this page. I hope that we can reach out to others of our generation to join the young people who are so inspired right now. It is important for those who have been trying to amplify this same message over the last 30 years to stand and act in solidarity. As a mother, grandmother, teacher and activist, I'm proud to be a part of this struggle.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Thank you, m'ame.

This battle of Yin and Yang goes back to before people wrote on cave walls. I suspect that there have always been persons who thought that taking others' lives, freedom, efforts, and earnings was an acceptable means to live by..

We'll likely be struggling to right this balance right up until the human race evolves to the extent that such traits are non-existent.

Until then, thank you for your efforts as well.

The young give us hope, vision, and strength. The old give us experience, history, and wisdom. When we team up, the thieves who've contorted this place had better find a new pool hall. ;^>).

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

The reality is you are victimizing New Yorkers and trashing out a public park. Squatting in a public park is not protesting. You are nothing but a bunch of vandals. You can protest, but you can't sleep in my park. Its that simple.

[-] 1 points by GradyOgle (41) from Kent City, MI 2 years ago

This will be my only response to this, since it's obviously a joke. Watch your language: "MY park", "MY city", "victimizing others". No, these are OUR parks. These are OUR cities. We built this. We run this. We fix this. We live off this. OUR survival depends on the takeover and reconstruction of our economy. Our planet's survival depends on it. Every citizen will be living in 3rd world conditions(besides the rich) in decades, if we don't act now. This isn't a matter of disturbing the lives of the people to get more money. This is about disturbing the world to wake up and realize that capitalism ONLY leads to destruction. It's based off profit. And they only way to make profit is to use more resources as cheaper costs with cheaper labor. How can you want your family to be enslaved in this system? Don't forget, you're not rich, either.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

So now you're a Siamese Twin to Brookfield Properties? By virtue of your girl friend and osmosis of some strange sort? Holy cow!! The feats and miracles of modern science!!

Simply amazing.

Futile, but amazing...

[-] 2 points by NightsDrkstDawn (11) 2 years ago

Question: Who exactly is being victimized here?

Polls show that Occupy has a significantly higher approval rating than you across the board and Occupy has been working with the local Community Board. So it seems that Occupy is following the routes it is given in the City to compromise and compensate for any issues. It is the City, aka you Mr. Bloomberg, who are using your Iron Fist to silence the voice of opposition. Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, and Adolf Hitler all used an Iron Fist as well to silence the voice of opposition. So now how is it that following the United States Constitution makes Occupy the Defendants and the Iron Fist the victims?

[-] -1 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Leave NYC alone and go get a job.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Leave this site, you filthy troll.

[-] 2 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Actually, knowing several of the Occupiers in Zuccotti personally, I can assure you that they already have jobs.. and an Occupation..

[-] 0 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Then you can move on to next election. If you have a job, then work towards something more constructive rather then trashing out a public park and being a public nuisance. No one ever accomplished anything by laying about a park.

[-] 2 points by NightsDrkstDawn (11) 2 years ago

You got one for me because I have been looking for one?

[-] 1 points by RevolutionWill (3) from Fort Lauderdale, FL 2 years ago

McDonalds hires only 6.4% of the people who apply for a job making it easier to gain acceptance to Harvard than it is to get a job at McDonald's.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

can you give me a loan so I can buy a competent lawyer? my minimum wage check will only afford me a rookie.

[-] 1 points by tribalscribal (7) 2 years ago

don't tell me to leave nyc. i was born here. you were born in allston or boston or whatever. how about you filthy rich carpetbaggers go live on some island in the pacific and leave us and our governments and elections alone and unsullied by your ill-gotten gains? that would work!

[-] 1 points by RevolutionWill (3) from Fort Lauderdale, FL 2 years ago

The 99% can't afford to sue a bank. And, even if they could, they'd lose because the banks make sure to hire every lawyer in town to create a conflict. As back up to that they contribute to judges' campaigns. It would be prohibitively expensive and a miracle to win a case against a bank. And, you know that.

[-] 1 points by EAH (1) 2 years ago

Really?? That fact that you have so little faith in yourselves, coupled with the fact that after two months, you have nothing to show for an expensive occupation except a dirty park, make me glad they kicked you out. You're obviously the wrong people to be put in charge.

Think about it: Going to court against a bank would be prohibitively expensive and impossibly stacked if you were one individual. But you have enormous numbers and most importantly,international publicity 24/7. Organize a clear plan for your case, and get the word out to everyone in the world you possibly can. Media would swarm if Occupy Wall St said it would like to release a mass statement. You won't even have to try and find a lawyer to work pro bono- The guaranteed publicity alone (think:this person will likely go down in history) will draw a list of top contenders. Then, as you begin legal proceedings, mobilize all your supporters. March during the day. Go home at night. That large of a group saying one coherent thing wouldn't easily be ignored. You would have a shot.

Or you could live in a park and spend most of your time trying to stifle reports of internal sex abuse and violence. awesome.

[-] 0 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Well, you have $500,000 to play with and a lot of support. Instead of using that money to monitor elections in Egypt, use it to make change.

[-] 1 points by RevolutionWill (3) from Fort Lauderdale, FL 2 years ago

$500,000 is nothing compared to the millions, and now a billion, it takes to win a single congressional or presidential campaign. The only way to secure that kind of money is to have mega corporations behind you. They will NEVER be behind us. This is at the essence of what we are fighting.

[-] 0 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

You wont get anywhere without a leader. As I see it, you need leadership. Start at electing a leader and then go from there. However, the city's park is not a place to effect the change you seek. Change comes from the voting process and that is where you need to make your stand.

[-] 0 points by freeusa (14) 2 years ago

good say!

[-] 1 points by cocktazer (-1) 2 years ago

... It was the Politics, asses... not the system!

[-] 1 points by NYPD (2) 2 years ago

There is no shame in having lost to a superior force. We are Americans too!

It was agreed in conference with city leaders and the park's rightful owners that this protest was not a protest but a group of anarchists and hooligans who were promoting an extreme liberal and socialist agenda.

New York’s rich history is only matched by its bountiful natural beauty and invigorating culture. This state can really shine with brilliant diversity, hearty labor and family or friendly play. Every corner of the state offers another reason to love New York!

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

The movement is Energized!! OWS Good Job!!

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

Suggestions...perhaps sleepingbag over blanket....thats all I can think of...

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

To the GOP/tea/indep., this morning and last night with your hateful comments about OWS! How do you feel to be a part of a party that is eradicating the middle to the upper middle class; where do you see yourselves in 5years making 3% on the dollar while the wealthy GOP just uses every ounce of you all up…Not just the United States but you…, the GOP are transparent to the world now….we see what you are doing. Here comes the Tea/indep. clowns....Puppets to the GOP! The GOP/tea-indep.- repub. Ashamed to even know them! The hateful emails about OSW on msn. They are fighting for your rights too! Where do you see yourselves in 5 years, do you think the GOP cares! Look at their actions in the newly formed Congress!! OWS is doing something no one would even think about doing. Your anger calling them names sounding like the dominions for the GOP and then saying join the tea. How stupid do you think they are? They are 100xs smarter…Ashamed to be associated with the GOP/tea-indep-repub. OWS we all believe in you. Unlike the tea the OWS cause is just and correct. Unlike the newly put GOP/repub. in office who stifles the progress of the US for a vote! Not just America sees it but the whole world knows now! Ashamed to be GOP!

[-] 1 points by lonespectator (106) 2 years ago

The shame of the OWS movement is they have failed to take the next logical step, which is Occupy the White House.. They have repeatedly said the mivement is not ready. That is a lie. The OWS General Assembly and the DNC have repeatly met in secret to keep the movement from Occupying the White House from fear of offending the current President. Shame!! The President has stated publicly he supports the movement, but behind the scenes is trying to block the movement with continued distraction. The fact is the President has given specific instructions to the Capitol Police that if the White House is Occupied, that they are to stand down, and not steal Tents and Generators. Yet OWS in it's corrupt secret meetings are trying to continue to persuade the ranks they are doing the right thing for now...WRONG.. It is time to demand full support for the "Occupy the White House" Movement. It is time to remind the President that the White House is the peoples house!! He serves at our pleasure. OWH Now!!! Promote the full Occupation of the White House" now!! Don't be fooled by OWS/DNC infiltrators. OWH Now!!! Today!! Take back the peoples house and demand real change...

[-] 1 points by ChaffeeCounty (4) 2 years ago

Could the protestors form 4 hour shifts to walk the sidewalks around the park carrying signs? Are there laws prohibiting people from walking on the sidewalk in an orderly fashion all night long? The visual of moving lines of peaceful protest signs all night long would be impressive. Protestors could get some quality sleep each night without losing the momentum of the movement. Pass it on.

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

The World-We are With You.

[-] 1 points by LittleJohn (3) 2 years ago

That was typed on a cell phone; go ahead and rip on me for it messing up the text with auto correction. Just proves my point more.

[-] 1 points by LittleJohn (3) 2 years ago

I told you this was coming two days ago before Oakland. The administration here made the choice to remove my very civil post and ignore my warning. That's what's wrong with you people, you look a gift horse in the mouth. You know what I risked to warn you? This movement was over the moment unions got involved. You call it a leaderless movement but there are leaders and they have their own agenda. In the past two months I have been to remove different occupy camps all over the east coast and every one it was the same thing; people trying to control each other instead of working together. In new haven the leadership will zip tie closed tents of those they don't like, forcing them to have to cut their way out. I have seen similar events in several camps. You people are no different then those you are protesting against. Your problem is the same as people on wall street, your human beings and we are inherently a destructive race that screws each other over. I hope you get thrown out of the park because at this point I have lost all hope in this movement. Its time we just get on with the inevitable and start destroying our civilization. Its only after a total collapse that we have a chance of rebuilding and preventing the end of our race. You have shown by your actions people are inherently bad and our society deserves what we have done to ourselves over the past few years. Wall street might have caused this but every one of you are participants and a small part of this problem. You deserve your fate; our entire race does. You all reap what you sow.

[-] 1 points by lonespectator (106) 2 years ago

The shame of the OWS movement is they have failed to take the next logical step, which is Occupy the White House.. They have repeatedly said the movement is not ready. That is a lie. The OWS General Assembly and the DNC have repeatly met in secret to keep the movement from Occupying the White House from fear of offending the current President. Shame!! The President has stated publicly he supports the movement, but behind the scenes is trying to block the movement with continued distraction. The fact is the President has given specific instructions to the Capitol Police that if the White House is Occupied, that they are to stand down, and not steal Tents and Generators. Yet OWS in it's corrupt secret meetings are trying to continue to persuade the ranks they are doing the right thing for now...WRONG.. It is time to demand full support for the "Occupy the White House" Movement. It is time to remind the President that the White House is the peoples house!! He serves at our pleasure. OWH Now!!! Promote the full Occupation of the White House" now!! Don't be fooled by OWS/DNC infiltrators. OWH Now!!! Today!! Take back the peoples house and demand real change...

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[-] 1 points by peoplepowr (14) 2 years ago

The only thing the 1 % understands is money, so lets get them where it will hurt them most. We need to have a coordinated general strike in all the cities that are being occupied. Even a strike lasting a week will have a huge impact they will lose millions per city in revenue. We have the power to do this, lets lay to waste their coffers and stand together with one powerful voice.

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

Don't Give Up!

[-] 1 points by carlosbandana (5) 2 years ago

Zeitgeist Moving Forward: Google it. You will be glad you did

[-] 1 points by carlosbandana (5) 2 years ago

Zeitgeist Moving Forward: Google it. You will be glad you did

[-] 1 points by carlosbandana (5) 2 years ago

Zeitgeist Moving Forward: Google it. You will be glad you did.

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

To the Tea/indep., and your hateful comments about OWS! How do you feel to be a part of a party that is eradicating the middle to the upper middle class; where do you see yourselves in 5years making 3% on the dollar while the wealthy GOP just uses every ounce of you all up…Not just the United States but you…, the GOP are transparent to the world now….we see what you are doing. Here comes the Tea/indep. clowns....Puppets to the GOP! The GOP/tea-indep.- repub. Ashamed to even know them! The hateful emails about OSW on msn. They are fighting for your rights too! Where do you see yourselves in 5 years, do you think the GOP cares! Look at their actions in the newly formed Congress!! OWS is doing something no one would even think about doing. Your anger calling them names sounding like the dominions for the GOP and then saying join the tea. How stupid do you think they are? They are 100xs smarter…Ashamed to be associated with the GOP/tea-indep-repub. OWS we all believe in you. Unlike the tea the OWS cause is just and correct. Unlike the newly put GOP/repub. in office who stifles the progress of the US for a vote! Not just America sees it but the whole world knows now! Ashamed to be GOP!

[-] 1 points by anna2usha (11) 2 years ago

yup and my advise is to all of you ... take your money out of the banks as suggested by earlier posters and protesters ... DO IT !! And cancel all your credit cards... thisis even more crucial... cancel them... don'' t use them ...!! This is even more crucial to get rid of these rip of artists that they are and they are all tied into the banks ... double shot .. no more bank accounts and no meore credit cards !!! GO!! GO!!!! GO!!!!

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

To the Tea/indep., How do you feel to be a part of a party that is eradicating the middle to the upper middle class; where do you see yourselves in 5years making 3% on the dollar while the wealthy GOP just uses every ounce of you all up…Not just the United States but you…, the GOP are transparent to the world now….we see what you are doing.

[-] 1 points by zucnei (103) 2 years ago

Yes - please occupy soho

[-] 1 points by Quasimofo (7) 2 years ago

You blew it. Occupy Wall Street was a huge blunder. The Occupy Movement should have been in D.C. day one. Wall Street can only do what those in Washington allow them to. Washington D.C. should have been occupied, not Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

OWS Keep up the Good Job! The world believes in you!

[-] 1 points by vlombardi (1) 2 years ago

It is time to go personal with Occupy Wall St. The homes of the super elite should be occupied as they were purchased with corrupt money. The banking cartel / mafia / cabal needs to fear this movement and the movement needs to get personal. Corporations don't make decisions -- top exec's do -- so it's time to occupy the homes and businesses of the 1%,

[-] 1 points by GreenbeltCarousel (15) 2 years ago

Do not let your right to healthy organs be denied by corpulent bankers.

[-] 1 points by Zeppelin (2) 2 years ago

Dear Friends of the New American Revolution:

It is very exciting to see and feel that there are many others who are fed up with the status quo and with this form of inhuman Wall Street Capitalism. I have mostly been thinking recently of where to go from here. There is a great start, but what now?

Finally, and that is most likely not a surprise for many of you, i am convinced that the 99-1 imbalance and this movement are only a result of a deeper lying issue that has allowed the Wall Street criminals doing what they do, and it continues.

Of course, the political system is the root of all this evil. More specifically, it is the election system that causes all the trouble. Protesting against the Wall Street criminals and the inequality will not do enough. Change will only come with the fall of the election system, which is the very beginning of the "Money Rules" system.

I think it is unrealistic to convince a critical mass in America to support overturning the whole political system and the government. However, i think that people will understand that something is wrong with the fact that only wealthy Americans can be elected into the democratic system - with very few exceptions - especially if they do louzy work for the country after being elected.

I suggest to direct the campaign against the election system. Buying a vote/position/seat and legal bribes from the corporate world have to be stopped first of all. There need to be laws that make it a crime giving money to a candidate/politician, and elections have to be financed by the public, so everybody gets a chance. That's how modern democracies in other countries work.

This doesn't interfere with the current movement at all. In fact, it is as directly connected as can be. The 1% buy all the elections, and the elected politicians give back to the 1%. Tackling the election system has to be the next step coming out of this movement. Many people are waiting for a better definition of the movement anyway. Tackling the election system from all directions is a broad enough goal to include enough people and specific enough to satisfy the request for a better definition.

Big job for big people :-)

[-] 1 points by Zeppelin (2) 2 years ago

Dear Friends of the New American Revolution:

It is very exciting to see and feel that there are many others who are fed up with the status quo and with this form of inhuman Wall Street Capitalism. I have mostly been thinking recently of where to go from here. There is a great start, but what now?

Finally, and that is most likely not a surprise for many of you, i am convinced that the 99-1 imbalance and this movement are only a result of a deeper lying issue that has allowed the Wall Street criminals doing what they do, and it continues.

Of course, the political system is the root of all this evil. More specifically, it is the election system that causes all the trouble. Protesting against the Wall Street criminals and the inequality will not do enough. Change will only come with the fall of the election system, which is the very beginning of the "Money Rules" system.

I think it is unrealistic to convince a critical mass in America to support overturning the whole political system and the government. However, i think that people will understand that something is wrong with the fact that only wealthy Americans can be elected into the democratic system - with very few exceptions - especially if they do louzy work for the country after being elected.

I suggest to direct the campaign against the election system. Buying a vote/position/seat and legal bribes from the corporate world have to be stopped first of all. There need to be laws that make it a crime giving money to a candidate/politician, and elections have to be financed by the public, so everybody gets a chance. That's how modern democracies in other countries work.

This doesn't interfere with the current movement at all. In fact, it is as directly connected as can be. The 1% buy all the elections, and the elected politicians give back to the 1%. Tackling the election system has to be the next step coming out of this movement. Many people are waiting for a better definition of the movement anyway. Tackling the election system from all directions is a broad enough goal to include enough people and specific enough to satisfy the request for a better definition.

Big job for big people :-)

[-] 1 points by GreenbeltCarousel (15) 2 years ago

Rally to show you solidarity with the right to eat the ripe fruit of the bankers. Do not feed from their cattle cars of processed cheese products.

[-] 1 points by occupyALLparks (10) 2 years ago

Suggested Response:

The response should be to organize an occupation of every park in NYC! Even if it's only a couple of occupiers per park. Create a list of parks and pass out location and directions to each park, one per person. Once all parks have been assigned to one person, repeat the cycle. Occupy ALL of the parks!

[-] 1 points by Adonis9898 (11) 2 years ago

Better would be to continue to have mass numbers in solidarity in one location so that large aggregates of police have to show up to evict you. And when they do present themselves, expressing the need to evict you for sanitary reasons, simply move on to the next location without resisting. The very act of getting that large police for out for a night is punishment enough to the city and status quo.

[-] 1 points by dzakye (4) 2 years ago

Europe has just passed a law against speculation on "sovereign's debts" (states' debts). Let's block all speculators by heavy taxers; real economy must tell what value things have, not speculators!

[-] 1 points by occupyoccupyoccupy (14) 2 years ago

they should gather around 1 pm so that enough ppl can come out 9 am is too early.

[-] 1 points by stevo (314) 2 years ago

On a separate note, Jay Z has offered to discount the Occupy Shirts he is selling you

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[-] 1 points by barb (835) 2 years ago

I support this movement but we are living in different times then in history when there weren't so many people living on the planet. Diseases and illnesses is a real threat when people crowd together creating unsanitary conditions.

New fresh ideas to get around this problem is vital to this movement.

[-] 1 points by sallysense (1) 2 years ago

for occupy wall street and all 99%...

we gave you a taste... and you don't wanna waste... us filthy rich... we gave you a taste... and you don't wanna waste... us filthy rich... we'll dig your grave... as you engrave... your life to the bitter stone... and there's nothin' you can do... 'cause you can't stand alone... when we take your buck... and you're outta luck... remember you can't stand alone... we'll be diggin’ your grave... as you engrave... your life to the bitter stone...

“oh no you won’t you rich elite!... we’re the 99%!... here to occupy your wall street!... for all your greed that steals and cheats!... you leave millions of us needing... brand new fair and square receipts!”...

it's up to you... still your money's due... to us filthy rich... it's up to you... still your money's due... to us filthy rich... we'll keep you poor... as you endure... your life to the bitter stone... and there's nothin' you can do... 'cause you can't stand alone... when we pass your buck... and you're outta luck... remember you can't stand alone... we'll be keepin’ you poor... as you endure... your life to the bitter stone...

“oh no you won’t you rich elite!... we’re the 99%!... here to occupy your wall street!... for all your greed that steals and cheats!... you leave millions of us needing... brand new fair and square receipts!”...

your day has come... your duty's been done... to us filthy rich... your day has come... your duty's been done... to us filthy rich... we've used your time... to help define... your life to the bitter stone... 'twas nothin' you could do... 'cause you couldn't stand alone... a debt's been paid... as you are laid... to rest with those so all alone... a name's engraved you... as a slave... to life with the bitter stone!...

“oh no it didn’t you rich elite!... we’re the 99%!... here to occupy your wall street!... for all your greed that steals and cheats!... you leave millions of us needing... brand new fair and square receipts!”...

[-] 1 points by jane1 (100) 2 years ago

To the disgusting tea on this site, crawl back ino your holes, not even it wants you!! OSW 100xs better and stronger!! How dare you GOP/tea-the US sees you!! OSW you are awesome!!

[-] 1 points by itsaparadigmshift (15) 2 years ago

"Don't just stand there! Do something!" being a civil public nuisance is the key. it doesn't take much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5tta2rDY-s

[-] 1 points by Violetarojo (119) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Can we have a few moments of stomping worldwide, no matter where you are or what you are doing you stomp in protest to what took place at liberty Square in the early hours of the morning. Stayed with you as long as I could. Livestream was not streaming here where I am at. My friends and I spent a good part of an hour on the phone making calls for you! Finally got through to a very professional, kind and gracious ‘Ruby’ She took down my info complaint and concerns. God bless you! With you online, in prayer, thought, heart and in spirit! Don’t give up or in! Keep fighting the good fight! Keep it righteous! Keep it peaceful! Don’t keep it secret! Embrace not disgrace!

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[-] 1 points by DavidAppaloosa (4) 2 years ago

Join the GA for phase two proposal! http://occupyportland.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=873

[-] 1 points by sdcheung (76) 2 years ago

Will be there.

[-] 1 points by JaneDoe14 (3) 2 years ago

Please join. I say we house protesters and travelers, and maintain our presence!!! Please join, one person alone may not be able to house an occupation but thousands of us can! check out our lifeline for protesters here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=100901853356707

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Can we still afford to be peaceful? Please tell me we still can afford it.

The way things are going, we may no longer have that option.

[-] 1 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

We can't afford NOT to be peaceful. I haven't looked at the media coverage in the past several hours, but I bet the criticisms of OWS are going to be somewhat toned down from what they were before the police carried out their eviction. It was a major, major victory that protestors were vocal but refused to be trapped into a violent confrontation.

If you mean that the police are getting more repressive and we'll have to match their tactics, it's just the opposite. The more we can look like the sane, logical ones, the more people will be able to join the movement--and more people equals more power equals greater chance of defeating the attack on civil liberties and our standard of living.

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

If this Movement -doesn't- remain peaceful, it will surely forfeit everything it has worked so hard to gain.

It's not a question of 'can it still afford to remain peaceful.' It's a matter of it being a -necessity- that it remain peaceful.

'Cause you ain't seen -nuthin'- yet, brother. Hold strong, pick a point to focus your eyes on, let your body be left behind, and keep your eyes on the prize.

Stay strong. Walk Gandhi's walk. It's the only walk that can win here, and I know you didn't come into this to lose, right?

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

That's crazy talk to me. I believe in the concept that history is written by those who survive.

Look to the pages of history, those who fight are those who may live another day. Gandhi? Don't bother me with him.

Nothing is more basic a right, than the right of self-defense. If you don't want to fight them, then at the very least wear armor. Or get a shield. A simple wooden targe is not all that difficult to build and it works.

Especially your medics. They need to be properly protected.

Personally I refuse to be a lamb to be lead to the slaughter, I am a wolf and proud.

[-] 1 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

You're right about people protecting themselves, but why would protestors want to challenge the armed police, even with shields and armor? It would make the protestors look incredibly aggressive, no matter who starts it. It's a battle for hearts and minds, with minds first. Tonight the protestors were brilliantly successful in defeating Bloomberg's attempt to provoke them into a violent confrontation.

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[-] 1 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

I will, and thanks for your ideas.

[-] 1 points by NightsDrkstDawn (11) 2 years ago

I will start by saying the part about wearing "protection" is a good point. However, there is sadly no "right to self-defense." It is founded purely in Criminal Law which does NOT afford rights. And, other than Darwin, I am not sure what "history" you are reading because the ONLY successful action has been nonviolent action in almost all the history of the world.

[-] 1 points by BreadLandPeace (359) 2 years ago

is that true, there's no legal right to self-defense?

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Listen, to me it's that simple. Between obeying the law and my own survival, take a wild guess what takes precedence? And what history books have YOU read? Those who chose to be complacent are invariably subjugated or stomped out of existence.

Want an example? Look at the First Nations in North America. The tribes that submitted, many of them are no more. Those who fought back, can still talk about it today.

Nonviolent action? To the ruling class is a joke. It's like telling a bully to stop picking on someone. They won't listen. It's not until the new kid on the block stands up to him and kicks his teeth in that it ends.

[-] 1 points by karenpoore (902) 2 years ago

If war and killing solved problems we would have no more problems by now ...

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

My answer to you http://vimeo.com/154898

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 2 years ago

I did watch the video and I think I understand what you are saying. Would you like to summarize it here?

[-] -2 points by glassprisoner19 (-4) 2 years ago

You are pathetic. Get a job.

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Nice try teabagger. Confrontational techniques don't work on those who are aware of them. Stop sucking at Ann Coulter's teat, she will only make you stupid.

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

Tim has a feed going live. He is from the Other 99. He will keep broadcasting live.

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

Mayor Bloomberg, This is your mother calling. You've been a very naughty boy...

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 2 years ago

GA happening now at Foley Square with occupiers who have went over there. Major news channels are there now also.

[-] 0 points by craig6586 (0) 2 years ago

You people are waiting for a decision from one man? From a judge who is the result of a system you are fighting against. How is this a democracy when one man will decide on your right to have tents or sleeping bags or to protest? The irony of it all depresses me. If you are serious, gather the numbers and take the park by force. What are you 'fighting' for?

[-] 0 points by FiddleDeedee (23) 2 years ago

Haaaaaahahahahaha!

[-] 0 points by dumbhippies (-3) 2 years ago

I hope you all know that you are only hurting small business and encouraging big business to move to other countries that are more than willing to accept them with open arms while you still buy their products every day and night. Get off your ass and find a way to support the local business and the people who are trying to make a living still in this economy. Also by requiring a login in and setup to your specific rules that state you can tell people what to do when to do it and how to do it is worse than many communist countries have it today. (it makes your complete movement hypocrite's and the opposite of freedom of speech.)

[-] 0 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 2 years ago

The ball as they say is now in our court. What to do next? The PTB have decided enough with our so called rights. Who are they to decide? This shit has got to stop.

[-] 0 points by Multal1ty (-1) 2 years ago

You people are dumb. You walk around with all this expensive technology and you complain about jobs and government stealing your money. What money? The money you get from your mommy or daddy? Get a job. Stop wasting other peoples time.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

If that is the case, why are you wasting your time here.

[-] 0 points by Multal1ty (-1) 2 years ago

I am 17 years old and I work for my money. I don't sit around blaming random people for my actions.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

oh, to be so young and fragile again. what would I give?

[-] 0 points by Multal1ty (-1) 2 years ago

See that's your problem, you're ignorant and irresponsible. That's surprising considering that your an adult.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

well if that is not the most cliche characterture i have ever heard, although, I still have half of my life to hear better. how about you use wise and disgruntled to describe me?

[-] 0 points by Multal1ty (-1) 2 years ago

How about I describe you as a lazy, worthless bum. Stop bothering the richer people. They work harder than you. Yeah, the government has some odds and ends, but at least finding a good job or career is possible. You just need to work harder. You should blame yourself for being a part of this pointless protest and wasting the time of the people that work hard for this country.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

with such lack of refinement and humbleness, how will you ever make it to the middle class, let alone the wealthy or even the uber affluent. you should get off the internet and read some history, philosophy and comedy, then get back with me. no?

[-] 0 points by Multal1ty (-1) 2 years ago

I work 2 jobs I enjoy. Also I make about $1000 a week.... almost the pay of an NYPD officer.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

what books have you read? what countries do you know about? what are the similarities and differences of the world religions? what is your true place in it all?

[-] -1 points by FreeMarkets (272) 2 years ago

Don't worry. Eventually these people will be your employees.

[-] 0 points by HarpoSpeaks (-1) 2 years ago

Once again, the leftist, socialist, entitlement class has overstayed their welcome. It is one thing to stage a protest, quite another to set up a city-within-a-city, one "occupied" by the dregs of society with their drug abuse, rape and murdering ways.

[-] 0 points by vlombardi (1) 2 years ago

kick the asses of the banker and wall st. exec's to the street! Occupy their homes, their businesses, and repay to them some karmic debt whose time is long overdue!

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

how about we deflate their profits and their egos, with new logos and new methods. (pathos)

[-] 0 points by HarpoSpeaks (-1) 2 years ago

"It wasn't the school teachers who got legislators to trash the Glass-Steagal Act" That's correct. It was Senator Barny Frank

[-] 0 points by OWSrPATHETIC (4) 2 years ago

awesome!

[-] 0 points by stevo (314) 2 years ago

Quick! Somebody call Joan Baez or Peter Paul and dead Mary...we need songs

[-] 2 points by rcarmstrong (115) from Cadyville, NY 2 years ago

Here's an anthem: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/14/occupy_honolulu_hawaiian_musician_makana_performs
"We Are the Many, Not the Few" by Makana--who made this stealthy performance at the Asian Pacific Economic Council in Hawaii. It was attended by Obama and others heads of state.

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[-] 1 points by Aldy (1) 2 years ago

Where are these jobs you speak of? Btw, the city has received many donations to pay for the extra police.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

A note: public talks are already going on at Foley, if you want to come early, you are obviously welcome.

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[-] -1 points by cmacco01 (-3) 2 years ago

So glad to see the law breaking homeless people evicted from the park. Such a burden relieved for downtown residents, workers, and store owners.

[-] -1 points by Joeschmoe1000 (270) 2 years ago

51% called311 and asked the City to return their open space.

Democracy in action!

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[-] -2 points by Smarg (-2) 2 years ago

Bums begone!! Thank God the mayor finally got some balls.

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[-] 1 points by OkFineIWin (46) 2 years ago

corporate zombie tool of the status quo pointless existence

[-] 1 points by Claregirl (2) 2 years ago

haha - your second line was only 6 syllables. nice try though.

[-] -3 points by MayorBloomberg (1) 2 years ago

Look. Its over. Now move on and do something more constructive then trashing out a public park. You can continue your protest, but you can't stay here. I was more then patient.

[-] 1 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Mr. Bloomberg, with all of your fancy education and your time in high society, I would have thought you'd know that the correct word is "I was more THAN patient," not "then patient." I am starting to believe that you, sir, are not the man you say you are!

[-] -3 points by gohomenow (0) 2 years ago

forget about it, go home so the real 99% can get our lives back, you are,,,, waste do some good, get a job, volunteer, understand you represent less then 1%

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Turtle is being kind to you. I would say that what you have the nerve to call a life, isn't one.

Being a wage-slave isn't a life. It's an insult.

[-] 0 points by gohomenow (0) 2 years ago

yes wanting something for nothing like you freeloading socialist is the way to go, I hope you grow up and thrive in the meantime go home so I can slave for my wage again and support my family

[-] 2 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Once again, we hear the idiot's definition of socialism. Great. Like we've never heard some amped-up Bud swiller's ideas about "Russia," etc. I lived through Reagan and his followers, so I've heard that bullshit before. There hasn't been a socialist thinker in the world that thought people should get something for nothing. The basic premise is that WORKERS control their WORK environment so that they can be paid adequately for the WORK they do. WORK! Now you can abruptly change gears and complain about how all of the socialists just want to work you to death, even though you just accused us of wanting to freeload.

And before you say it - I have a fucking job, and support my family.

[-] 1 points by snufkinn (1) 2 years ago

Socialism, everything went better than expected. //Sweden

[-] 1 points by TH3W01F (180) from Ottawa, ON 2 years ago

Enjoy sucking chump-change then

[-] 0 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

You don't read many high-quality, scientifically-structured polls, do you??

[-] 0 points by gohomenow (0) 2 years ago

can't the smoke gets in my eyes,

[+] -4 points by middleagedguy (-3) 2 years ago

I applaud the NYPD for taking back the park; I can't believe they let this go on for two months! You want change, then get a job and vote. You want to know what really isn't fair? How many of you have a cell phone? How about a smart phone? How much tweeting and texting do you do in a month? The real shame is people are hungry and homeless while you waste money on those services while whining about how underprivileged you are. Hey, to the majority you're a bunch of spoiled wannabe hippies. This reply will infuriate some of you, but just might give others insight into how their behaviors are being perceived. Until then, do you "occupiers" want some cheese to go along with your whine?

[-] 1 points by ARealNewYorker (227) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

So if I have a smart phone, I can't address what's keeping other people from being able to afford one? They're about 80 bucks if you know where to get them - if someone can't afford to spare 80 bucks for the ability to communicate (including with potential employers, many of whom hire off of social media sites), it's a situation well worth protesting.

Oh, yeah, you don't realize that this is what most of us are protesting - you assume we're as selfish as you and people like you, and would only protest a situation in which we were personally disadvantaged. This is the real reason OWS isn't going to die just because it's evicted from a park, or because rabid right wing media try to trash us by digging up terrible things that happened to us - it's because 30 years of neoliberal morality (I've got mine, so what could I possibly have to complain about) can't kill most people's moral interest in their fellows. The spirit of sociability will always rise against institutional and individual sociopathology. Or to put it in simpler terms: why don't you try thinking about someone else for a change?

[-] 1 points by teilhard (2) 2 years ago

Dumb worthless snot sitting in his arm chair on his 5th Coors Light watching the boob tube, never having been to Zuccotti Park in his pathetic life.

"I applaud..." You sound like a bloody idiot.

[-] 1 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

"You want change, then get a job and vote."

Vote? The entire electoral system in the United States has been corrupted by corporate money--that's the whole POINT of the OWS protests, you dipshit. What are you, a fucking idiot?