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An Occupy Response to the State of the Union Address by President Obama

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 28, 2014, 9:17 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: State of the Union, White House, Kshama Sawant

Occupy's response to President Obama's State of the Union address, will be delivered live at 10pm EST by Kshama Sawant (Socialist, Occupy, Seattle City Councilmember)

Tonight, President Obama talked about the deepening inequality.

But that is a testament of his own presidency. A presidency that has betrayed the hopes of tens of millions of people who voted for him out of a genuine desire for fundamental change away from corporate politics and war mongering.

Poverty is at record-high numbers - 95% of the gains in productivity during the so-called recovery have gone to the top 1%.

The president’s focus on income inequality was an admission of the failure of his policies.

An admission forced by rallies, demonstrations, and strikes by fast food and low wage workers demanding a minimum wage of $15. It has been forced by the outrage over the widening gulf between the super-rich and those of us working to create this wealth in society.

While the criminals on Wall Street are bailed out, courageous whistleblowers like Edward Snowden are hunted down and the unconstitutional acts he exposed are allowed to continue.

Obama is the president who is using smartphone apps - games like Angry Birds – to spy against tens of millions of ordinary people in a completely blatant violation of basic constitutional rights.

The President claims ending two wars while he continues to intensify a brutal campaign of drone wars in multiple countries, killing hundreds of innocent civilians, and not to mention the plight of US soldiers returning with permanent medical conditions and declining veterans’ benefits.

Obama is the president whose broken website is a symbol of the broken hopes of millions who believed his promises for affordable healthcare.

“Climate change is a fact,” says Obama.

Here is another fact: Climate change is getting worse and worse, on his watch. [There has been a massive increase in incredibly destructive practices like the use of coal and fracking(http://ecowatch.com/2014/01/28/obama-sotu-climate-fracking/).

Leadership in stopping the disastrous Keystone XL pipeline has come not from Obama or Congress, but from the thousands of courageous people organizing and taking direct action to stop it.

Obama shouts “Fix our broken immigration system.” He is the president with record numbers of deportations.

My brothers and sisters, these problems are not new. And they are not an accident.

Working people have faced nearly four decades of wage stagnation and rising income inequality.

Four decades, with four Republican presidents and three Democratic presidents. Four decades that show neither party can solve these problems and that both fundamentally represent the same interests – the interests of the super-wealthy and big corporations.

We will only make progress on the basis of fundamental, systemic change. We need a break from the policies of Wall Street and Corporate America.

We need a break from capitalism. It has failed the 99%.

Both parties bow down before the free market, and loyally serve the interests of their corporate masters – the only difference being a matter of degree.

The political system is completely dysfunctional and broken. It is drowning in corporate cash.

Working people, youth, people of color, women, the elderly, the disabled, immigrants – the 99% – have no voice or representation

We need our own political party. Independent of big business, and independent of the parties of big business.

Some say it cannot be done.

But look at the example of my campaign for Seattle City Council. I ran as an open socialist. I did not take a penny in corporate cash. My campaign raised $140,000 from ordinary working people. I ran as an independent working-class challenger to the capitalist establishment.

I ran on a platform of $15 minimum wage, taxing the super-rich to pay for mass transit and education, and for affordable housing, including rent control.

I am only taking the average worker’s wage while politicians in Seattle and in Congress are totally out of touch with the lives of the rest of us.

We built a grassroots campaign of over 450 people. With almost 100,000 votes, my election was the first time in decades an independent socialist was elected in a major US city.

Americans are hungry for something different. And it’s not just in Seattle. A recent poll showed that sixty percent of Americans want a third party.

Let’s talk about minimum wage. Obama said, “No one working full-time should have to raise a family in poverty.”

And his solution? Raising the minimum wage to $10.10 over 3 years.

I absolutely welcome any step forward on raising the minimum wage. And it is outrageous how the Republican Party is standing in the way.

But let’s be honest: $10.10/hour over three years – or $20,000 per year if you are lucky enough to have a full-time job – is not a ticket out of poverty for working families.

Fast food workers and Walmart workers have gone on strike and built powerful protests in cities in every part of the country over the past year for $15/hour. And that is the only reason politicians are now talking about raising the minimum wage.

Look at the example of the SeaTac $15/hour initiative. An initiative for $15/hour minimum wage was on the ballot – and won!

“Let’s make this a year of action,” Obama said.

In my view, we need action by working people and the poor for higher wages and a $15/hour minimum wage. Action by young people fighting student fees and the debt around their neck for the rest of their life. Action by homeowners against the epidemic of foreclosures. By trade unionists against anti-trade union laws and for workers’ rights.

Get organized!

Get active in your union. Get active in a local movement. Join the struggle to defend the environment.

Join with me and my organization, Socialist Alternative, to challenge big business and fight capitalism.

The epicenter of the fight back in 2014 is the Fight for Fifteen.

I urge you to be part of this struggle. Find out more and sign up to get involved at 15Now.org.


For more information about Kshama Sawant go to her City Council page, and help us Fight for 15.



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[-] 10 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you Kshama Sawant - nice rebuttal to the status quo BS. Thanks also for presenting a proper lead by example with your own wage acceptance stance.

[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (22196) 2 years ago

"...Neither party is capable of solving these problems and that they fundamentally represent the same interests, the interests of the super-wealthy and big corporations. We will make progress only on the basis of a fundamental and systematic change. We need a break from the policies of Wall Street and corporate America. We need a break from capitalism. It has failed the 99%. Both parties bow down before the free market and loyally serve the interests of their corporate masters with the only difference being in the the matter of degree.....We the 99% have no political voice or representation. We need our own political party, independent of big business and independent of the parties that serve big business."

Thank you Kshama Sawant for bringing a voice to the 99%.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Kshama Sawant on $15/hr, the selling out of The 99% by The Dem. Party Machine & a lot more besides, also including an excellent Chris Hedges interview with the ever redoubtable Abby Martin :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

$15 isn't even enough, though. Look at these increases in electric rates:


A 38% increase in electric rates on November 1, 2013. Hmmm. How the hell are people supposed to survive? Shall we all sit in the dark? Well, hell, we sure can turn off our televisions right? With the merger of Comcast and Time Warner, down with cable tv! Cancel your cable now!

"Comcast, Time Warner Cable Deal Is A Disaster For Customers":


Great links, thanks, and go Sawant!! Solidarity, Shadz!!

[-] 2 points by Ihippy (49) 1 year ago

This is why minimum wage needs to be indexed to inflation, reported and adjusted quarterly. Just like every other aspect of our economy. Place labor on an equal footing. Labor as it is now, is the only product/service that businesses expect/demand to obtain under cost. That practice and expectation is exploitation/slavery.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

And, if the government won't do the right thing by the people, then the people must stand up for themselves and say "NO" to slave wages. The general welfare clause in the Constitution requires the government to protect the interests of the people and the people should have no shame in demanding that from those who are supposed to be protecting them.

[-] 3 points by Ihippy (49) 1 year ago

Exactly. Furthermore, inequality is a gateway to oppressive government, as shown by history. Fix inequality and by proxy, you reverse the other issues at our feet. :-)

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

Right. And, "Let them eat cake" only works for so long.

[-] 3 points by Ihippy (49) 1 year ago

Even the cake must be paid for by someone. Its just that eating only cake has deteriorated the public self-esteem and will to demand real substantive change. Such has been the goal, IMO.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Related to your comment. I got an information request from OH-Bummer. Not fair characterization some might say ? OH-Bummer. Well sorry but for what ever the complex reasons for a piss poor time in office - it still has been a Bummer and He is the Guy at the top.

That's really not all his fault - anyone should be able to see that.

Anyway enough of that. He (?) wanted to know what I felt the minimum wage should be. Cheeky bastard wouldn't let me define my answer. Just give me a number and your zip code - thank you very much.

Fine - I sent back 15.00 ( wanting to say tied to inflation cost of living - but oh well )

What number do you support? No no need to tell me. I was just curious as to whether or not everyone should sound off or not.

If so - well then - here ya go - and it can be shared out.

I would love to see everyone speak-up and send in a reply - an honest reply. May not be worth anything - but then again . . . .

I wanted to make sure you had the chance to weigh in on this.

While we're all talking about it, what do you think the minimum wage should be?




---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------- From: Nico Probst, BarackObama.com Subject: POLL: What should the minimum wage be?

Friend --

Right now, Congress is considering raising the minimum wage for the first time in years.

At $7.25 an hour, someone who works full time earns a salary of just $14,500 a year.

Most Americans agree that's not enough. So what do YOU think the minimum wage should be?

Take this quick one-question poll -- and tell us what you think:




Nico Probst Director of Special Projects Organizing for Action

P.S. -- When it comes to workers earning the minimum wage, we're not just talking about teenagers -- no matter what some of our opponents might say. The average worker who would benefit from raising the minimum wage is 35 years old. Tell us: How high would you raise the minimum wage?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

It is actually the job of economists (a sorry lot in this country) to determine the minimum wage. They should do this in a very informed and moral way to ensure that the masses of people that need to live on that wage can do so with respect and dignity.

The minimum wage is complex and in a large country like this one, diverse, and $15, personally, seems low to me, but it's a place to start.

Thanks for the link, DKA. Spreading awareness is the key.

[-] 2 points by Ihippy (49) 1 year ago

To my statement about selling under cost. It's easier than made to sound by economists. What does an employer expect? To get an unskilled job, one is expected to have transportation, means of communication, good hygiene, and relatively good health. Employers can expect that prospective employees will have at least one child as per statistical analysis of census data. So now what is the cost plus margin of the product(employee)?

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

It comes down to this: We need a new labor theory of value. We need to value labor in a humane way. We need to value labor with one thing in the forefront of our minds, that it is a human being doing that work and that that human being needs to live a decent and respectful life. He needs to have his basic human rights met, to be able to have dreams, to have a family and all of the things that make a life worth living.

Profit is just that, profit. There is no natural or written law that says that all of the profit go to the owner or the management. Profit can be shared more fairly with the workers. Not only can it be, it must be. And, if capitalists and managers refuse to do that, then it is up to the government to look out for the interests of the people and ensure that the profits are shared fairly.

The economic system should work for all of the people not just a few of the people. The economic system is man-made, it is not organic. It can and should be controlled to benefit everyone.

[-] 2 points by Ihippy (49) 1 year ago

I do not disagree. But if this issue is ever going to be solved, it needs to be approached in a clinical manner. Morality is subjective, numbers are not. The majority of Americans fill their empty hearts by believing they are better than someone else. If it even smells like you are trying to take that from them.... well, you get nowhere with any of this. Learn from the opposition. You don't have to spell out your true intentions in order to pave the way to relization of those intentions. In fact, your intentions are better kept behind closed doors.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is actually the job of economists (a sorry lot in this country) to determine the minimum wage.

"a sorry lot in this country" haHAAA true so true when we have some asshole economist PHD an educator say on TV that people who work for minimum wage are not of poor families.

So it comes down to the public speaking-up and telling the assholes to shut-up sit down and pay attention.

15.00 seems low to me as well - but would still be a whole hell of a lot better than 10.10 - at least at 15.00 an hour a single person could make ends meet - in many places of the country = very well.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

Agree totally. American economists, bar a few, should be ashamed of themselves for letting the past 40 years happen. Shame on them. In the end, they are the front line of the economy and they are to blame. They knew damn well what was going on but rhetoric and clinging to old theories and wishful thinking put their head in the sand while the American people were raped and pillaged.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well it is OUR fault as well for not keeping in-touch not being involved and letting it all go to hell without a peep - until lately that is.

BTW - did you see this invitation to tell some Senators a thing or two? https://occupywallst.org/forum/fighting-dirtiest-oil-planet-xldissent/#comment-1025547

I hope that she would open with something like - Now sit down shut-up and pay attention . . .

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

We're all to blame, really, but regular people didn't "see" what was happening until recently. Living in debt covered up the decrease in wages so the average person has not really felt a decline in their standard of living. But, economists have been well aware of this, the outcome of which, we have yet to feel. I always think that when people can no longer make their "minimum payments due" on all the revolving debt that the whole thing will blow up.

And, great Occupy link. Amazing isn't it how developing nations have a greater sense of mother Earth than the good old US of A. Capitalism is an evil, and until we take it down, we are going down.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Follow-up = " but regular people didn't "see" what was happening until recently. "

Just what are they teaching those kids in school anyway?

Crashing the economy 101 - learn how to crash the economy while making insane bonuses from your employer while your employer makes an insane amount of money off of the Government/Public for making obscene amounts of money off of your illegal activities.

Graduate classes will discuss how NOT to be the sacrificial goat that your employer throws to the wolves to be a pacifier to the outraged victims/public. Which still ain't bad unless you are an idiotic insane asshole like Bernie Madoff who went beyond mega theft of the public and was actually insane enough to rip-off the 1%. As a normal goat you will likely keep most of your ill gotten goods - not like Bernie M who got sent to the cleaners prior to being sent off to jail.

Remember the importance of taking good notes.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We're all to blame, really, but regular people didn't "see" what was happening until recently.

Part of the fallout of being driven to introspection in our daily grind to get by.

Let us hope that the morning alarm is beginning to ring for more and more people and that most do not go and hit the snooze button. Again.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Comcast, Time Warner Cable Deal Is A Disaster For Customers" :

Monopoly, Oligopoly & Extractive Price Gouging are a common business model in USUK etc. where a CEO with a limited tenure looks to maximise the balance sheet and the bottom line so as to maximise his/her 'compensation' and the devil take the hindmost. As per the OP, also carefully consider later on :

at spes non fracta ...

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Kshama Sawant is exactly the kind of 99% focused representative that The American 99% need !!! Thanx for the great links !! One for you - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38647.htm !

From your first link, see : ''This year’s Left Forum will likely be one of the biggest yet. Events over the past few years have radicalized thousands of workers, youth and students who have lived through the betrayals of the Obama administration, the dysfunction of the Congress, and the domination of big business while the economy sinks deeper into recession. This year is different because this radicalization is combined with both the lessons of past defeats and the energy of recent victories.''

multum in parvo ....

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Leftform: mostly issue oriented debate, very little bashing for bashing sake.

Of course all soldiers fighting the good fight.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

where are the forum threads ?

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Occupy supports Leftforum



In answer to your question as to where the thread went I think some pedantic, intolerant, moron objected on the grounds it was too partisan.

But here is the original text from the post if you wanna post a new thread.


Go ahead, I'll add a comment.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

"It's often forgotten—or simply not known—that there are more than two thousand publicly owned electric utilities now operating, day by day, week by week, throughout the United States (many in the conservative South). Indeed, 25 percent of US electricity is supplied by locally owned public utilities and co-ops."

"Moreover, most of these now conventional "socialist" operations have a demonstrated capacity to provide electricity at lower cost to the consumer, not to mention cheaper and more accessible broadband. (Nationally, on average, customers of private utilities pay 14 percent more than customers of public utilities.)"

"If you start getting serious about democratizing the ownership of wealth, there are many, many examples to build upon—and then extend. Most provide profits to cities and states that badly need revenues—and in turn, this obvious boon to taxpayers suggests some potentially interesting political possibilities for the future." Gar Alperowitz

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''25 percent of US electricity is supplied by locally owned public utilities and co-ops." is such a revealing fact and it is no damn wonder that The Corporate MSM don't want Americans to know this. In the UK a previously public monopoly, where there was some kind of real democratic accountability, has been removed and now replaced with a privately owned corporate cartel of 6 companies - most of which are foreign owned. Extractive price gouging behaviour has now followed as 'shareholder' & 'management' short term interests trump all other collective, long term and environmental concerns. Thanx for the great excerpts from Gar Alperowitz, whose words would also apply to 'Publicly Owned Local and State Banks' and which is why Ellen Brown is running for treasurer in California. Also from Alperowitz' great article ...

''Chattanooga, Tennessee, offers the fastest citywide fiber network in the country (up to 1 Gbps) for prices that are often eight to ten times cheaper than in neighboring locales served by Comcast and AT&T. As a result, several companies have relocated their operations and jobs to Chattanooga. The city's network was also influential in convincing Amazon to expand its massive distribution center in the city.'' Amazon or not, Americans should realise that 'together they are stronger' - against 1% predation.

Finally, the COMCAST / Time Warner mega-merger shows just how much talk of 'free markets' and 'fair competition' is hypocrisy & lip service from Chicago School Neoliberals who are causing turmoil and fyi :

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

"The biggest problem facing the US may not be its repressive institutions, modes of governance and the militarization of everyday life, but the interiority of neoliberal nihilism, the hatred of democratic relations and the embrace of a culture of cruelty." From Giroux.

I would argue that the total raping and pillaging of the American people in terms of their utility bills is absolutely cruel. The merger of Time Warner and Comcast provides zero benefit and only harms the masses of people who are struggling to pay for basic necessities.

"This is a revolution in which the welfare state is being liquidated, along with the collective provisions that supported it. It is a revolution in which economics drives politics." I find this comment very interesting, because the financialization of everything has really been an economic revolution (not one that the masses wanted, but one totally in the interest of the 1%) that has superceded politics and it kind of happened while no one was paying attention.

It is time to reverse the take down of our economy, and our society, to get them working for everyone again.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Public ownership - NOT - Privatization. corp(se)oRATions can invest in Public Works ( Public Owned ) - if fiber optics is needed - it is the public's fiber optics - the same for satellites and for power/electricity and for water and and and and - ALL with strict clean operations. corp(se)oRATions can not be allowed to own resources or services - they must submit to PUBLIC CONTROL/OWNERSHIP and perform to PUBLIC REQUIREMENTS.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

Right. And, no private/corporate profit in healthcare either. Basic necessities of human beings should be publicly owned and controlled for their benefit, not for the profits of the 1%.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - care should not be restricted - it should be the best possible for ALL - the best that can be done by medical science.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''It is time to reverse the take down of our economy, and our society, to get them working for everyone again.'' Amen & also fyi :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

The inordinate amount of wealth being hoarded at the top of the 1% poisons 100% of us, our hearts, our minds, our souls, and our spirits.

Poisoned democracy, poisoned legislative processes, poisoned culture, poisoned justice, poisoned economics cause the millions of poisoned lives, alienated, sad, and pathetically trying to survive with some measure of decency.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Poisoned democracy, poisoned legislative processes, poisoned culture, poisoned justice, poisoned economics cause the millions of poisoned lives'' - yes bw but all is NOT lost !!! For The 99%, there's much still to play for !! Do take heart from Kshama Sawant ! Also, I would strongly recommend the following insightful and pertinent piece by the ever excellent Richard Eskow, on this relevant thread :

consilio et animis ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

"The leftist educator Paolo Freire used the term "internalizing the oppressor consciousness" to describe what happens when people identify so deeply with their rulers that they deny themselves the permission to work toward, or even to dream about, a better future for themselves."

I think that quote nicely sums up what happened to the American left.

But, yes, Shadz, not all is lost, a few of us are awake to the constraints of working within the current system and the need to break free of the status quo. Solidarity with Kshama Sawant! Her battle will be hard as have the battles of others who marched before her, but the battle is a worthy one and, in the end, the goal is attainable.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Sounds like 'Stockholm Syndrome' to me, lol ! It is also known as 'capture bonding' !! But you are right & solidarity with Kshama Sawant in The 99% struggle, as ''in the end, the goal is attainable'' !!!

From Richard Eskow's thought provoking article, I excerpt :

''The relationship between the left and the Democratic Party is central to (Adolph Jnr.) Reed's argument [ http://billmoyers.com/segment/the-surrender-of-americas-liberals/ ] - which might be summarized as follows :

  1. The Democratic Party has shifted dramatically to the right.

  2. The left – or what remains of it – has come to identify itself with the success of the Democratic Party.

  3. This has led to a rise in social issues and identity politics at the expense of the economic questions which are (or should be) central to any genuinely left-wing movement.

''As if to underscore these points, new poll results say that an increasing number of Americans describe themselves as "liberal" while, simultaneously, 80 percent of Democratic voters reportedly want Hillary Clinton to run for president – despite the fact that she has yet to state her position on many critical issues of the day, from regulatory reform to tax policy to education, and despite the fact that she's closely associated with the regressive economic policies of the first Clinton administration. These figures suggest that Mr. Reed is onto something.

"We're Eisenhower Republicans here," says Bill Clinton in a devastating Reed quote. "We stand for lower deficits, free trade, and the bond market. Isn't that great?" (They were actually to the right of Eisenhower's Republicans on a number of issues; for example, the 1956 GOP platform celebrated the increases in union workers and Social Security beneficiaries which took place in Eisenhower's first term. It's impossible to imagine the Clinton team doing that.)''

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

"The American middle class knows the economic and political system has been rigged. Politicians and policymakers can heed the warning, take the opportunity or start planning for their retirement." From http://populistmajority.org

And, it is important to outline exactly what has happened to our economic and political systems and no one is better at summing things up for the layperson than Robert Reich. In "The Great U-Turn" he shows how the average American's standard of living has declined and thinks about one possible reason.

He points to collective memory: "Some blame globalization and the loss of America's manufacturing core. Others point to new technologies that replaced routine jobs with automated machinery, software, and robotics.

But if these were the culprits, they only raise a deeper question: Why didn't we share the gains from globalization and technological advances more broadly? Why didn't we invest them in superb schools, higher skills, a world-class infrastructure?

Others blame Ronald Reagan's worship of the so-called "free market," supply-side economics, and deregulation. But if these were responsible, why did we cling to these ideas for so long? Why are so many people still clinging to them?

Some others believe Americans became greedier and more selfish. But if that's the explanation, why did our national character change so dramatically?

Perhaps the real problem is we forgot what we once achieved together.

The collective erasure of the memory of that prior system of broad-based prosperity is due partly to the failure of my generation to retain and pass on the values on which that system was based. It can also be understood as the greatest propaganda victory radical conservatism ever won.

We must restore our recollection. In seeking to repair what is broken, we don't have to emulate another nation. We have only to emulate what we once had." Robert Reich.

We need to share the wealth. That is what we need. We have created a whole lot of wealth but it's been concentrated in the hands of the few capitalists who have exploited the workers. And, we forgot that it doesn't have to be this way.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

http://www.15now.org/ because you ''need to share the wealth. That is what we need. We have created a whole lot of wealth but it's been concentrated in the hands of the few capitalists - who have exploited the workers. And, we forgot that it doesn't have to be this way.'' Thanx for your excellent Reich excerpt and in compliment, I append :

Btw bw, Robert Reich forgets about the insidious nature of Corporate MSM & Anti-99% / Pro-1%, Neoliberal propaganda me thinx.

respice ; adspice ; prospice ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

I agree that Reich was missing the points you mention. And, thanks for that great article by Alperowitz who is one economist who really tries to set out options to the deleterious capitalist system in place right now. He says:

"...the core idea is simple and straightforward: Those who own wealth - and the corporations that operate it - have far more power to control any system than those who don't.

In a nation in which a mere 400 people own more wealth than the bottom 180 million together, the point should be obvious. What is new in our time in history is that the traditional compromise position - namely progressive, or social democratic or liberal politics - has lost is capacity to offset such power even in the modest (compared, for instance, to many European states) ways the American welfare state once represented."

"But what, specifically, might that "something else" entail? And is there any reason to hope - even as interest in the word "socialism" grows in the abstract - that we might move from where we are to "some other system" that might nurture equality, liberty, ecological sustainability, even global peace, more than the current decaying one we now have?"

Alperowitz explores new forms of socialism where capital is not necessarily owned by the government but by the "community" through "social enterprises" that use democratized ownership to operate and make money.

He says "At this stage of development, there is every reason to experiment with many forms - a "community-sustaining" direction that I have suggested might be called a "Pluralist Commonwealth" to emphasize the plurality of common or democratized wealth-holding efforts."

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

The argument that voting matters!!!


You make a great point in supporting this great elected official.

We agree

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

If only voting mattered more !!! ''Won'' - what btw ?!! I strongly support Kshama Sawant mos def - so I'm more than glad if we really can agree on that ! Furthermore .. what are your views on Ms Ellen Brown ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If only voting mattered more !!!

I thought that this was kinda shocking & sweet:


[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

As he'll now make lot's of money becoming a lobbyist for the very corporations that he enabled whilst in office .. Cuntor can eat shit and die for all I care !!! Here's a link for someone I do like, respect and try to say a quiet prayer in the silence of my soul, for ...

fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hhmmm or Cuntor the new head of heritage or something? Going on speaking circuit to poison minds far and wide? Maybe Fux Spews will get a new pundit.

Is Fox News Trying To Kill The Republican Party? Or Is It Just A Happy Accident?

Maybe He will ship off to Canada? We owe them for Ted Cruz.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''The ideological corruption is evident in some basic political differences between the Foxies and the Foxless. For instance, the DREAM Act was drafted to permit undocumented residents who came to the U.S. as children, and either completed college or served in the military, to obtain temporary residency status and eventually apply for citizenship. This bill is supported by a 62% majority of Foxless Republicans, but only 42% of GOP Foxies. Likewise, the campaign to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour is supported by a majority of 56% of the Foxless, but only 33% of the Foxies. In both cases the Foxless Republicans are more closely aligned with the electorate at large. It is the Foxies who hold the extremist position on the fringes of the far right.'' - from your dailykos.com link & also fyi :

What's the Ted Cruz / Canada connection ?! I thought he was a Floridian with Cuban ancestry ?!! Don't be so cruel to Canucks dude !!!

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Stephen Colbert has Ted Cruz as Canadian huh ?! I had him down as Cuban !! In any case ... we can all have Crazy Cruz down as a Corporation Friendly, uber-right-wing, psycho-nutter !!! Also fyi, consider :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ted Cruz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When he was a child, his mother had told Cruz that she would have had to make an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship.[149] In August 2013, after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that Cruz had dual Canadian-American citizenship,[136] he applied to formally renounce his Canadian citizenship, and ceased to be a citizen of Canada on May 14, 2014. [150][149]

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Canuck or Cuban, Cruz is a monster - like Cantor & also consider :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Canuck or Cuban, Cruz is a monster - like Cantor

Monster - huh - a bit harsh on monsters - Hey? But there isn't a better descriptor I guess.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It's funny ( not ) how they play all sides for a win place or show. Gotta get money out of politics.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''How to Tell If Your Member of Congress Is a Crony Capitalist'', by Timothy Karr :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Now if only the trend will continue and expand to remove all obvious and blatant puppets from office and to also include the "silent and useless" to the public "other holders" of office and upcoming candidates.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[ EDIT ] Prior to opening the link;

''How to Tell If Your Member of Congress Is a Crony Capitalist''

1) Do they support or oppose one subject at a time legislation?

oppose? = crony

support but not push for complete support? FURTHER - without advocacy to the people to sound off in unified support? = crony

Lambast other members on the floor of Congress? and call for unified support of the people = for the people = working for the good of all = "not" crony.

The list of issues is long - the example ( above ) will work for all.

EDIT -> OH and also a good indicator - Mention Pure Pork Patties - and watch for widening eyes and uncontrollable salivation.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Like Ms Brown (fr the little I know, not fr cali).

I concur with her supposition on the difficulties 3rd parties have.

I support her suggestions, ranked voting, instant runoff, public campaign funding. And other important election reforms that will facilitate the inevitable evolution to direct democracy and better governance.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Can't-or falls/fails BIG TIME - will Bitch McConALL be the next Biggest Loser?

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 1 year ago

That's why we keep electing morons to office. Right?

We have elected officials more concerned with the military than with the well being of it people.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Sucks don't it?

If you are seriously unaware of why we keep electing morons I could help, but I think you know why.


[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 1 year ago

Mobs are irrational. Group thought is inevitable.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Words to live by

[-] 5 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Great response.

Yes, we need a break from capitalism....a permanent break.


[-] -3 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago
[-] 5 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Zizek says some good things, but also some nonsense. It's definitely time to act. There are lots of things that can be done in order to weaken capitalism and eventually abolish it; and there are many reasonable proposals as to how we could organize a society without capitalism.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Zizik, on the other hand does understand the dangers of Galtist libe(R)tarians.


Plus, I too have considered calling capitalism a religion, although sickness works for me too.

I once drove a teabagge(R) nuts, by declaring it a religion, and demanded it's separation from the state.

Either one, once accepted offers a path to keep it under control.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

i thought the problem was the large amount of wealth a property owned by those that pay everyone else to work

[+] -4 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

I think he's only saying we need to think before acting so that our actions are really worth something. I do see a lot of activism that leads to nowhere, and a lot of talk in the wind. For example, you say there are many reasonable proposals. Fine. Perhaps. But, that's easy to say. What are they? How can we put them into practice? How long would they take to work? Etc... Those are the real questions. I don't see many people getting into specifics. It's easy to say we need libertarian socialism. It's much harder to plan out a way that it can be put into practice step by step. This is what we do not see. If we knew how to do this step by step, then we would start doing it. Nobody is doing much about libertarian socialism except talking about it.

If you know the details of how it can be implemented. Let's see. I would love to know what I can do today, in practice, so that my actions directly lead to more libertarian socialism. What I see is that you think like Zizek, instead of acting. And, I agree with you. We need to think these things through deeper until we are actually able to make a plan for us to take action.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you are taking concrete actions as well. I simply have not heard you talk about any specifics of implementation. I only heard you theorize.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Hark the voice of 'T'he arch-reactionary !!! You are very ''wrong'' & have been consistently so, for over two years !! You have NOthing ever positive or encouraging or even collegiate to bring to OWS - which is part of the reason they kicked your autistic-narcissistic ass out of the park in Sept.2011 & all you have left is to gripe from the margins like the p-o-s energy-vampire that u are & unsurprising that u've surfaced here !

fiat lux ...

[+] -4 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

You do not agree with what Zizek states in the video I posted? I think he's nails it on the head. And, I think this video is encouraging to OWS. It helps us understand what comes next. A way to put wind into our sails.

Sept 11? Please, don't confuse OWS with Truther nonsense.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Stop infecting this thread 'Trashy' & STFU you useless piece of shit !!! No one should ''confuse'' you with an occupier or even a sympathiser of OWS !! In-fill-traitor et un agent-provocateur - oui !! Scum !

fiat justitia ...

[-] -3 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

I suggest you do listen to the video. Zizek is an important intellectual. Anti-capitalist and pro-communist, but still a realist. He has much to teach occupiers in my opinion.

I'm not sure why you think talking about Zizek is bad, or somehow infecting this thread. A lot of original occupiers support that philosopher. He's one of the few remaining Marxists after all.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I ''suggest'' u pull your head out of your useless ass !!! I've copied Zizek links often, including his address to OWS, which I remember well from 'LiveStream' but u know next to nothing of him ; only seem to have just discovered him or Marxism [ https://www.marxists.org/ ] and now you'll seek to slime your way onto this thread with your b-s !! Like a perforated condom, u are and shall forever remain, utterly fkn useless !

However you can be assured that your b-s comments will serve a purpose here - as I will usurp them so as to append relevant info. such as above and below :

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

hey shadz - nice going as usual - are you aware of the Chomsky zizek dust up? here is the beginning of noam's response to zizek -


Noam Chomsky

ZNet, July 21, 2013

I've received a number of requests to comment on the post: "Slavoj Žižek Responds to Noam Chomsky: 'I Don't Know a Guy Who Was So Often Empirically Wrong'" (http://www.openculture.com/2013/07/slavoj-zizek-responds-to-noam-chomsky.html).

I had read it, with some interest, hoping to learn something from it, and given the title, to find some errors that should be corrected -- of course they exist in virtually anything that reaches print, even technical scholarly monographs, as one can see by reading reviews in the professional journals. And when I find them or am informed about them I correct them.

But not here. Žižek finds nothing, literally nothing, that is empirically wrong. That's hardly a surprise. Anyone who claims to find empirical errors, and is minimally serious, will at the very least provide a few particles of evidence -- some quotes, references, at least something. But there is nothing here -- which, I'm afraid, doesn't surprise me either. I've come across instances of Žižek's concept of empirical fact and reasoned argument.

For example, in the Winter 2008 issue of the German cultural journal Lettre International, Žižek attributed to me a racist comment on Obama by Silvio Berlusconi. I ignored it. Anyone who strays from ideological orthodoxy is used to this kind of treatment. However, an editor of Harper's magazine, Sam Stark, was interested and followed it up. In the January 2009 issue he reports the result of his investigation. Žižek said he was basing the attribution on something he had read in a Slovenian magazine. A marvelous source, if it even exists. And anyway, he continued, attributing to me a racist comment about Obama is not a criticism, because I should have made such remarks as "a fully admissible characterization in our political and ideological struggle." I leave it others to decode. When asked about this by Slovene journalist/activist Igor Vidman, Žižek answered that he had discussed it with me over the phone and I had agreed with him: http://www.vest.si/2009/01/31/zizkov-kulturni-boj/. Of course, sheer fantasy.

It's not the only case. In fact, he provides us with a good example of his practice in these comments. According to him, I claim that "we don't need any critique of ideology" -- that is, we don't need what I've devoted enormous efforts to for many years. His evidence? He heard that from some people who talked to me. Sheer fantasy again, but another indication of his concept of empirical fact and rational discussion.

Accordingly, I did not expect much.

Žižek's sole example is this: "I remember when he defended this demonstration of Khmer Rouge. And he wrote a couple of texts claiming: 'No, this is Western propaganda. Khmer Rouge are not as horrible as that.' And when later he was compelled to admit that Khmer Rouge were not the nicest guys in the Universe and so on, his defense was quite shocking for me. It was that 'No, with the data that we had at that point, I was right. At that point we didn't yet know enough, so… you know.' But I totally reject this line of reasoning."

here is the whole thing - http://chomsky.info/articles/20130721.htm

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

gonna retrain those monkey workers get 'em jobs make them work

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

The thing about Zizek is that he is first & foremost a 'Cultural Critic' and then an iconoclast. He's a bit scatty but brilliant. However, his dialectic can not be seen as the sharpest & tho' he does articulate a deep pro-99% passion due to essentially being a bougeoise intellectual, he is not as direct as say - Kshama Sawant. Thanx for the good link and comment and try this for 16 funny and moving minutes :

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

yea I heard him on democracynow ( I know - I am like a broken record with amy here - that is about the only news i get regularly - that and znet) anyway i really liked him. then there was the dust up with noam and he did not come across so well. scahill is great - not sure i want tot read his book but really good the movie is getting some press. i would love to see him win just to see the speech!

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Scahill's award winning ''Dirty War'' documentary :

fiat lux et fiat pax ...


[-] 5 points by joann (4) 2 years ago

Excellent response - thank you!

[-] 4 points by grapes (4063) 2 years ago

Will the TPP whose fast tracking authority is being sought by the President require the U.S. to lift any ban on the export of shale gas and oil?

One reason that investors and manufacturing companies are considering investing in or expanding jobs in the U.S. is because of the lower price of natural gas. If the shale gas is exported, these jobs will NOT be created contrary to what the President has claimed. The rust belt will stay rusty, killing its middle class surely and slowly.

[-] 4 points by grapes (4063) 2 years ago

The infrastructures of the U.S. need improvements and modernization. I had an infamous encounter with an atrocious pothole on FDR drive. I felt that I had just got into a crash. My companion napping in my car was shaken awake and was really astonished.

Another embarrassing incident was when some tourists asked me how old New York's subway system was because of its dilapidated looks. All I could say was that it was many decades old and I suddenly realized that it did NOT change much in the few decades since I had been riding it. In some places there was not even a new coat of paint on the ceiling in decades. I assured the tourists that they should trust the directions that I gave them because it did NOT change much (down to the coat of paint!) in decades.

I still like the remnant electric clocks and some still work after decades - they are big, round, with easily visible classical-form dials, and surely warm the cockles of every true commuterista's heart (if they are not late, that is). Was Albert Einstein a true commuterista, too, arguing about whether he was truly late or not?


[-] 3 points by grapes (4063) 2 years ago

Great so New York caught insomnia about a century ago. Claude Shannon had to be proud to see those extremely heavily wired telephone/telegraph poles to be greatly lightened. Storm damages brought resolve to do better. That was a very human response. Things will get better after they have become much worse.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I saw a documentary about that once. People climbing out their second-story windows because the drifts were so high. The thousands of dead horses left in the aftermath. It must've been a nightmare.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yeah, $10.10 is not going to get the job done.

[-] 3 points by venera13 (2) from Wilmington, NC 2 years ago

I think in Seattle pushing for $15 an hour is reasonable and agree with Sawant on everything as it pertains to Seattle. However, because of the difference in property values in different cities and rural areas one does have to be mindful of the effect that $15 an hour in many rural areas could have on small businesses that are not greedy and just not as profitable. To gain support on expanding the benefits for workers into those sectors there needs to be a messaging that is different than that for the Seattle audience. Possibly education on how to form worker cooperatives?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. an alt. SOTU speech - an excellent response by Kshama Sawant and in compliment, I append :

I agreed with Micah White's short video which was here too but no longer. The 99% struggle for dignity and security continues & to expect The 0.01% to act for the greater good and shower their largesse on The 99% via the (s)elected 1% representatives in Congress due to a goodness of their hearts is beyond the scope of reason tempered by any experience. It has taken 40+ years for The US 99% to end up in the state they are in and there are now no quick fixes over the course of one or two election cycles.The Struggle Is Generational .. as Pete Seeger knew. Solidarity @ Kshama Sawant, OWS and The 99% ~

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 4 points by JohnWa (513) 2 years ago

He did not hint about what is needed

A Basic universal income.


Redistribution of wealth

Public control though a better democratic process.

Public control of banks.

US Govt being the only entity to issue or create money. Burn the Fed and leave a scar to remind all forever.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

A Basic universal income.

then people could vote with their dollar

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Oblah-blah won't say shit because he's not here to upset the 1%'s applecart in any way whatsoever. He won't say boo or pay much more than lip-service against 'The System' .... 'cause he's a product OF 'The System' ... and in more ways than many of us may actually realise :

non sub rosa ...


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Aren't you the fkn clown that thinks voting for The Established, Conservative, Corporate Co-opted and Controlled (un)Democratic Party-On-The-Hill, will somehow work wonders for The US & Global 99% !!!

Because Empress Hitlary will be so much better than Blowjob-Bill (NAFTA, Repeal of Glass Steagall etc.) & Bollocks Obomber (TPP, Gitmo etc.Etc.ETC) right ?!! Sheeesh, your pathological optimism is as daft as it is deluded imo, 'Dog' ! Sure Repugnants are beyond the pale but Dems are BIG fail too !!!

Yes, I copied a Pat Buchanan item. For anyone ''a bit more conservative than the typical liberal'', an old school 'conservative' like PB should at least make some sort of slight sense ffs and so here it is again :

  • ''Why Congress Is Held in Contempt'', by Patrick J. Buchanan : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37404.htm - from which :

  • ''Congress has behaved more timidly than the Court, whose justices serve for life. And unlike the president, Congress cannot act decisively or speak with a single voice. It's a cacophony. Sundered by party and ideology, with 535 members, and rules and regulations that inhibit decisions and impede action, Congress appears a 19th-century anachronism at sea in a 21st-century world. Who looks to Congress today as the bulwark of our liberties ?''

You should reacquaint yourself with OWS' first principles for insight into why I speak as I do. OWS is a 'Big Tent' and even broken conservative clocks like PB (et toi peut-etre ?) get to be right - by accident or by design, twice a day about 99% issues and even .. The US Constitution. We are NOT here to prop up the status quo and just settle for crumbs from the 1% and their 0.01% Overlords, so do think about that in a moment of 'Zen' later and do also try to read some Sawant ffs & you are on the right thread for that.

veritas vos liberabit ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

''She'' ?! What ''video'' ?!! WTF r u talking about ?!!! You're NOT talking about Kshama Sawant R U ?!!!!

So - have u now got your fkn over-size shooz, comedy false teeth & spinning bow-tie on again, ffs ?!!!!!

You want to watch a video ? You want to read a li'l more about Congress ? So how about watch & read the following, join some dots like the pink and blue polka ones on your clown shirt & go get a fkn clue ?

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Ná tarraing mo ainm isteach seo. Do grá na Banríona Béarla roimh agus dallóga agat.

[-] 0 points by Renneye (3868) 2 years ago

Is this nonsense not breaking at least a couple of forum rules? Not to mention, it's really unprofessional moderating skills.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago



Labhraíonn tú an teanga Cheanada, fiú níos lú go maith ná mar a labhraíonn sé an teanga Shasana.

Chun do taitneamh a bhaint as éisteacht, i dteanga na reibiliúnaithe.



[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago


let me know if this isn't what you are looking for

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I take it you don't much like Canadians?


[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You're just a multiple ID cockroach. A dumb multiple ID cockroach. A paid to post asshat.

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago



[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Your conservative blinkers blind you .. even to your fellow conservatives !!! Did you even read the PB link before sounding off about whatever the buffoon did or didn't say before ?!! Who won't agree with PB that Congress is pretty fukt .. other than Obummer devoted peeps like you ?! So 'clown' was generous, imo.

I can agree with Ron Lawl re. his anti-war and anti-imperialism abroad positions and with the likes of Paul Craig Roberts re. his economic analysis if not remedies. So what of it ?! At least I do not delude myself with the Dem Party Panacea and wtf did you actually get from reading or listening to Kshama Sawant exactly ?!! Here, have another go at getting KS as she talks to Abby Martin on 'Breaking The Set', with Chris Hedges in the second half - or is it all too radical for u ?!!!

Per OP : ''The political system is completely dysfunctional and broken. It is drowning in corporate cash.''

e tenebris, lux ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

There are none as deaf as those who don't want to hear - just as there are none as blind as those who will not see & thus, for the possible attention of others, if probably not u ...

qui tacet consentire ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Eric Margolis, is a frequent contributor to Lew Rackwell's, libe(R)topian web site.

Is é an fáth a labhairt liom tú sa Gàidhlig. Is cosúil go tú nach bhfuil a thuiscint a bhfuil tú ag léamh i mBéarla.


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

I do not actually know whoTF Lew Rackwell is - but have u heard of ''syndicated'' journalistic articles I wonder & as for the rest of your flatulence, it is best reserved for making extra bubbles in your hot tub.

ne quid nimis ...

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Maslaí ó an oppressor Béarla, tá a bheith ag súil. nach bhfuil a fhios agat siúd ceanglófar tú ag súil chomh maith.

Est id quod est.


[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Fairy nuff, ''it is what it is'' & u are what u are.

I got the Latin, but the Gaelic's gobbledegook.

quid pro quo ...


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Hmmm. What a total waste of time and energy & u'd really be much better off with considering .....

vale ...


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

No more so than Nixon, Cheney, Armitage or Haas or any other 'Conservative Dick', that u may be able to recall but given the bicker-fest that u've helped create here, I had merely alluded to ''the dimunitive'' of Richard before and below because of how u were behaving and what u were saying BUT then off u go & shoot your mouth off and pretty much confirm exactly what I said and why I said it.

Let's get one thing very clear here - 'ZenDick' ... u are actually far closer to being ''a closet repelican and Koch whore'', than I'll ever be and that is even pretty crystal clear from your own old statements to me !

For u to be ''a bit more conservative'' and thus to the right of a ''typical liberal'' - who would thus in turn be waay to the right of me, makes u the ''ignorant lying shill'' .. but of the other parDisan right-wing variety !!

Your self-absorbed inconsistencies are clear to all but u, yourself, eg. when u have previously claimed to admire Sen.Bernie Sanders yet speak as u do about Kshama Sawant & compare her to Karl Rove ffs !!!

Perhaps u should meditate upon DKAT and GF's replies to u elsewhere on this thread to help u discern arse from elbow but in the meantime, per the OP, here's a link to what is really actually important here :

Like all people of a 'right wing' inclination, u dislike other conservatives and liberals and hate 'leftists' but u are a mere manufactured product of your culture, deep-programming & the MSM propaganda, political prejudices and mis-education. I forgive u & so hope u will do the same at my patronising u a li'l here ;-)

errare humanum est ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

An bhfuil tú réidh le haghaidh Ruth? Cé tú neamhaird aparteid Béarla i dTuaisceart Éireann agus ligean a thuiscint tailte eile, tá an réaltacht an téamh domhanda ag cur síos ar do phobal. Dia a shábháil na Banríona?

Chun ifreann leis an gcuid eile?


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Anybody got any idea WTF this clown is talking about above and below ?!!!

ab absurdum(b) ...


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Then try Kshama Sawant and Chris Hedges - IF you can't really understand me or what I allude to !!!

minima maxima sunt ...


[-] 7 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

ZD - U slapping K Sawant? Whatever for? I am just at a total loss for understanding that.



[-] 6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I like her. In fact, I agree with her stances. She is our only elected Socialist (and a third party) at the moment and as such had to do a response. To me it sounded a bit rushed.

See this: Because of the strength of the vote she received, and the excitement about her election, Sawant was able to influence Seattle politics even before she took office. Last week, Mayor Murray ordered city administrators to develop plans to pay all municipal employees at least $15 per hour—a move that will lead to wage hikes for at least 600 Seattle workers. And Sawant will be working, on the council and if necessary via a referendum push, to establish a city-wide $15-an-hour base for workers. http://www.thenation.com/blog/177794/seattle-swears-socialist#


[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is what I find very cool about her: There was a failure of those that had been elected and are still being elected to respond to the needs of the people. The people voted her in. That right there should scare the shit out of a good many. They now have to make a choice. They have to choose between addressing the needs of the people or maintain the big fish small pond image.

the mutherfukers are moving the entire program to the private sector and nobody is saying shit about that or even complaining about the President's role on this specific aspect of the surveillance issue - I guess the bribes for personal data at the check out are all very effective at purchasing silent acquiescence

Yep. I agree with this.

And the rest. People are going to have to start paying attention to legislation, congress, commitees and continuous undermining. BECAUSE the continuous undermining is more often then naught deflection. The guy isn't up for election. You can either address these issues now or you can address them later. But, they aren't going away....and I really don't have the patience to wait for people to get that.


[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Everyone seems to think the President can solve all of the nation's ills all by himself. He cannot.

" He cannot." True

That being said - "We can do better" - Yes we can - So Can He. His all of the above energy stance is INSANITY and is contrary to any stated policy of wanting to protect public lands or of wanting to protect the environment. His all of the above energy stance panders to the fossil fuel industry.

It goes without needing to be said - that members of congress have been seditious - and those members need to be removed from office.

But that does not make the president an Angel - he has some serious flaws - one being his support of the drone war - another his support of big brother spying on the public - another his going after government whistle blowers.



[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

WTF ?! R u equating Kshama Sawant ... with Karl Rove ?!! Really ?!!!

It's now official - u r fkn nuts & ''it's right out there in the parking lot'' !!

Re.TPP: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37600.htm !

ne quid nimis ...


[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Re. Sawant, ''the first 4 minutes'' was a bit soon to be calling her a ''silly bitch'' tho', right ?! But that is pretty much going to be the conclusion from you about anyone with the temerity to criticise Obummer isn't it ?!! If u think that Sawant is ''pandering to the OWS crowd'' then is it fair to conclude that u don't actually consider yourself part of said ''crowd'' ?!!!

Of course an avowed Socialist is going to upset someone like u but so be it and I'll still recommend ...

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

But as a consequence of NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO, a third of U.S. manufacturing jobs and a huge slice of our manufacturing base have been shipped overseas, and we have run $10 trillion in trade deficits since Bush I.

don't care for the jobs as property paradigm

work as means not an end

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Right, ''work as means not an end'' & welcome to 'The Intercept' :

fiat lux ...



[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Sorry mate, but that whole reply is as ass over tit as it was hasty BUT I will still append this item here because it mentions your good friend 'Karl Rove' lol & because is logically sequential to follow on here :

I'm not looking to insult u but Tarek Bouazizi's desperate sacrifice was a full 9 months before OWS tho' indeed that action instigated the overturn of the corrupt Ben Ali regime in Tunisia & then so much more !

requiescat in pace ...


[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hey, Sawant was born in India & has got a funny foreign accent - she must be one of those pesky little ''foreign intel operatives engaged in the specialty of disinformation dissemination'' !!! Further, I'd suggest that 'ignorance and foolishness' .. is as 'ignorant and foolish' does !! Sheeesh ! Now, more interestingly :

''The impressiveness of that democratic revolution and the ever-increasing economic-political inequality in America triggered the New York and global occupy movement. -"America needs its own Tahrir." (Adbusters Magazine) - The idea behind Occupy Wall Street was to contest the alleged hijacking of social resources by a business (especially financial) oligarchy for private benefit. The occupiers shouted, "The market itself is a public space" and meant that it functions only with society's approval and government's support. Any market, like Wall Street, needs an authority to maintain a monetary system, a banking sector to operate it, a court system to enforce its contracts, and police power to protect property. Since all these are social-collective endeavors, the "99%" should have a say in how it runs. So they argued.''

''Democratic Party celebrities and union leaders visited and attempted to channel the protesters' ardor for their own causes. New York Congressman Charles Rangel, a millionaire in office since 1970 who receives 98% of his funding from large corporations and political action committees (PACs), attempted to win over OWS for the Democrats. In his own column, Paul Krugman attempted to spin the movement into a tacit endorsement of Barack Obama's second presidential campaign.''

''On the other hand, Michael Moore in the middle of Zuccotti Park remarked, "Those days are over," referring to endorsing candidates. He exaggerated only slightly when he continued, "This movement is going to create a new democratic economic system."

''Occupy's position was that systemic financial corruption immensely benefits both Republicans and Democrats. The "profiteers" at the other end of "corrupt transactions" were clients or patrons of both parties. If one party breaks rank, it would lose a substantial amount of contributions and effectively cede an election to the other. So to the chagrin of Democrats, Occupy remained outside electoral politics.''

e tenebris, lux ...



[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the real seperations has always been the starwars camp v the startrek camp

pattrick stewart has a fine voice. But like when kirk was separated into aggressive and kind components. The nice guy lost his edge

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Sigh. Irony is lost on u too I see. Furthermore, u may imagine that u have found a stick to beat me with but your failure to address the linked article or the points therein (which would actually support some of the things u say) speaks absolute volumes. However I'll still lay down the link again for others if not u :

So which bits didn't u agree with again ?! Consider, PB like even u, gets to talk sense once in a while !!

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by northernlights (14) 1 year ago

"It takes less courage to criticize the decisions of others than to stand by your own."

Even you might have to admit that is a good quote, and very fitting too in this case.

The person who that quote is attributed to is Attila the Hun. He's the dude who ran around Europe with his barbarians killing people indiscriminately.

Do you get my point, or do I have to spell it out for you?


[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Listen up 'Richard' (or a dimunative thereof), I 'put forth & cite' A LOT more than that, eg.& per the OP :

Bickering with me is pretty fkn useless so try to STOP making yourself look stupid ... if u can that is !

ave biggus dickus - et temet nosce ...


[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22196) 1 year ago

"Occupy Wall Street is a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants."

Note the third sentence from the above summary of what this movement is about, found on the front page of this very website.



[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

You're hung on your own petard, so squirm & wriggle all you like, it won't change The Standing Record :

Alas, there's no clearer exposure than self-exposure & one of your problems is I remember what u say :

Your dear POTUS Obomber is a Neoliberal loving Conservative by any political measure known to man !

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

people leave the military all the time

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Don't expect much. Shadz of stank is all BS.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Google fhios

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Stop being like a fart in an elevator and trying to 'occupy' all the available space on this forum, will ya ?!!!

Though u may (or may not) get paid to work here, u don't actually own the joint .. not quite yet anyway !!

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 0 points by lovelyhats (-5) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Lol! That was funny - like a fart in an elevator. LMSFAO Talk about nailing it on the head.


[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Aontas TÁ!

Rá mé aon le do chuid tacaíochta do na cinedheighilte Bhéarla.


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

''F… Europe’', by Eric Margolis :

and Europeans too probably - as far as u r concerned, no doubt !!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Aontas TÁ é, téarma nach bhfuil tú dócha a chloisteáil óna bhéal.

In fact, you rarely say it yourself.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hmmm and from his gobbledegook shall you know him !!! Call yourself a 'mod' ?!! Dolt ! Meanwhile ...

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Thairg mé síochána.

Roghnaigh tú an chogaidh.



[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (16465) 1 minute ago

Hmmm and from his gobbledegook shall you know him !!!

That's how we know you. You and your defender of lies when it suits you in your pathetic attempt to bring truth.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You look mad, Zilla. Real mad in a silly goon kind of way.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

So who's this ''we'' exactly ?!!! Are u really sure that u want to do this here ?!! On this thread ?!

gnothi seauton ...

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Hey zilla............u mad, bro?




[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Aontas TÁ!

Tá mé an ceann amháin a d'éist leis an chaint ar fad?

Nithe ​​sé, fiú amháin i do beloved Banríona tír.


Ceanglófar tú Pat Buchanan níos mó na laethanta.

Cén fáth fuath den sórt sin don teanga reibiliúnach?

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

come on moderator - this is not helpful. and don't give me that liar stuff this time - I have read too much of the back and forth with you two.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Then you have obviously not read enough.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

snappy comeback but now for the first time in a while we disagree - I think I have read enough. too much as a matter of fact. I stand by my statement - can we agree to disagree?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'd have to be aware of what we are in disagreement about.

At this point, I am not.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

if I have read enough

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"If", of course, being the qualifier.

Should I expect another equally nondescript response?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 1 year ago

sorry - I know you must read lots of these but this one is pretty straight forward - you said I had not read enough then I said we disagree (about that). then you said - "I'd have to be aware of what we are in disagreement about.

At this point, I am not"........then I said - if I have read enough.............. I thought that is pretty clear - the question is "if I have read enough" got it?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No. It was pretty iffy.

I'm still not clear on the disagreement and that didn't help at all.






[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Have you had a stroke ?! Forgotten English ?!! Or who or where u are ?!!!

IF u can still read, try this as it's more in keeping with this news thread :

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Aontas TÁ!

Sin i ndáiríre i bhfad níos mó ag teacht leis an snáithe. Tá sé an chuid is mó mion neamhaird i bpost amháin evey ar óráid an Councilwoman dea-.

Caithfidh mé a iarraidh go fóill.

Cén fáth go bhfuil sin?

Cad é atá i gcoinne oibrithe?

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Your gobbledegook is useless !!! You're deluded if u think I translate it !! STOP embarrassing yourself, dolt ! However, much more pertinently to this important thread which u really seem determined to spoil :

Maybe u should forward this insightful article to some of your DNC loving family, friends and fiends. Can u actually remember and/or admit to why u are even here btw ?

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're English apartheid deserves nothing less than the rebel tongue!

You should be embarrassed by your own absurdity and lies and ignorance of your own community.

It's your own delusions that prevents you from the translations.

It's not that hard to do.

In them lies the truth.

Like Ms. Sawant stated.

Aontas TÁ!

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

''Apartheid'' ?! WTF are u on about ?!! Are u still so pissed off about where I chewed up one of your team [here : http://occupywallst.org/forum/mandela-legislator-arabs-misappropriate-apartheid-/ ] ?!!!

I know that u can't stand any criticisms of your hallowed POTUS- but u made more sense speaking Gaelic and before talking out of your arse just so readily, maybe ... ''You should be embarrassed by your own absurdity and lies and ignorance of your own community'' .. and your b-s POTUS. as per :

Your resentment at all the non-Americans still left here is as sad as is it is telling of your attempts at divide and rule on this forum. Also u should now ask yourself just how u have managed to fall out with so many of the regular posters here ? Your conduct and use of language shows that you're really far too cantankerous & curmudgeonly for your own good & u should try to chillTF out and backTF off a li'l.

temet nosce ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Tá do coganta le haghaidh naught. Tá Tuaisceart Éireann fós go mór ar an cinedheighilte Ríona. An Pharlaimint freisin.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hmmm and see http://iacknowledge.net/apartheid-exists/ !!!

Maybe you could try some other gobbledegook, next time !!

If u bring up ''Apartheid'' - this is always where we'll end up !

respice ; adspice ; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Pax est gravior quam iniuria.

Prosit hoc in summo.



[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hmmm. ''Stone Cold Justice'' (Video by ''Four Corners'', from 'ABC - Australia')

Your gobbledegook will elicit such links as per the narrative U have started here.

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Ní Denial negate apartheid Breataine i gcoinne Tuaisceart Éireann.

Ubi denique est

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Welcome to ''The Intercept'' :


Now quit farting in your hot tub.

...... veritas vos liberabit ......

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Is Sasana ina bhagairt ar shíocháin.

Fiú i measc a muintire.


--nidus eius, alium--

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Reefer Madness - aaAIieeeeeeeeeeee

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It is that. Welcome back to the 1930s.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Idiot oughta be removed from his position and every one of his rulings carefully reviewed. Clearly the madness is his.


[-] -3 points by lovelyhats (-5) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I rather like it when shooz uses non English languages for his trolling. It makes it easier to skip over his nonsense and read what good writers like you have to contribute. When he writes in English, I have a small urge to read even though I know it will only induce major Facepalms and angry feelings at having our OWS site co-opted by that authoritarian uneducated brute. He's one of the biggest losers I have seen on the net.


[-] 2 points by go4broke (120) 2 years ago

WOW, what a great presentation from a super dynamic woman! All the neocon Democrat Obama supporters on here should view this response to Obama's State of The Union Address. Edit; I wonder if shooz approved this though.

Tomorrow is another day for them to try and drag Occupy into the Democratic Party by implementing many of the tactics that I outlined on my co-opt thread...again. Ready??

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Occupy's Response to President Obama's State of the Union Address | http://OccupyWallSt.org : http://occupywallst.org/article/occupy-response-sotu-president-obama/#.Uuh_F-Q3pl0.twitter

[-] 1 points by textual (1) from New York, NY 2 years ago

POI: This is not "an occupy response," this is an occupier's response.

[-] 4 points by go4broke (120) 2 years ago

The title of this news item was definitely changed from last night, when the word "Official" was in it.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Well, you almost said your favorite word again.

Did you notice, that at the end of her speech she STRESSED that you should support unions? Join them, form them, but by all means support them?

I'm thinking you still couldn't get beyond her use of your favorite word.

[-] 3 points by go4broke (120) 2 years ago

I'm not surprised that YOU were the first to come to WSmith's defense of his vile attacks on posters here.

There was no reason for me to mention my "favorite word", 'Obama' as Ms Sawant trashed him enough for the two of us.

Please take note on how your partisan, neocon, co-opting, pro-Obama/Democrat views are in direct opposition to Ms Sawant's and most of the people in Occupy.

It's time for you to get back to work and look for Occupiers to ban while you push your partisan agenda. Edit And give free reign to your co-horts who use profanity and vicious attacks on anyone who is not a partisan Democrat.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's not nice to lie about me.

I very much liked her speech.


Too many flies flyin' 'round your bullshit.

I see though, that you did manage to use your favorite word, again.

Yes, you do use it in almost every post.

Not a single one though, in support of unions.

Did you notice as well, that she is working in her community to help solve things?

Nope, not a word about that either.

Plus she was honest and candid.

That's the kind of thing that earns respect.

You are not that.

Would I be safe in assuming that one of your former usernames was a repeat of two letters?

A guy whose entire MO was to attack liberals of all stripes?

A guy who could inject politics into mot mundane of posting, yet has always supported the libe(R)tarian co-option?

Can you offer even an ounce of honesty?





[+] -4 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

Under hypnosis, if you were asked - "Are you a pro-Democtrat Occupy co-opter?" - Your reply would be - "Yes. I am the best and I consider Occupy co-option the main goal of my life. I have dedicated every waking hour to co-opting this forum." The problem is, you are not the best. You are transparent.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey asspick - still talking 2 Ur self I C.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I try to be transparent

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So you're this go4broke guy too?

In response you your IF..the answer is NO.

How about you?

Do you believe in honesty?

[+] -5 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

Yes, I believe honesty is important. That is why I am against Obama, and other members of the 1%. That's also why I am against censorship. 1# is freedom of speech (the chance to be honest). 2# is honesty (a dishonest person can be proven wrong instead of being banned) Banning is a dishonest act because it bypasses discussion. It's using power over others which is the most dishonest act of all. Honesty must be based on fairness. Everyone must be equal. Only then can honesty begging to flourish.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

"Yes, I believe honesty is important."

Then why are you lying?

Even your questions to me, are based in lies.





[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hopefully - among other things - she will punch him in the balls for his "all of the above" energy stance - I expect that she should kick him between the legs for his lame 10.00 future ( FUTURE not current ) fed contractor minimum wage.

[-] 2 points by go4broke (120) 2 years ago

The question that I have for you DK is, do you think shooz shares in your obvious disgust of Obama, and perhaps the Democrats as well?

Holding your index finger in the air to see what way the winds are blowing on here before taking a stance is less than courageous.

Your posts have been vague, and I'm confused as to where you stand. Are you still a member of the team that is trying to bring Occupy into the Democratic Party...or not?!

Considering that Ms Sawant's response to President Obama's State of The Union Address was Occupy's official response, there would be no way that you could be both a Democrat shill and an Occupier too.

People change. I know I have, so what say you DK, have you changed you opinions? We deserve to know.

Edit; And should you decide to make that change, you will have the respect (mine in particular) and support of all the good people who held more to the principles of Occupy, and refused to get in the gutter with their adversaries who used profanity and vicious assaults on their character to advance their partisan agenda.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am the same as I have been from day 1 - Ur perception problems R Ur problem.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

The question that you need to ask is how is it that there are four/five of us on this site that can disagree on several issues and remain solidly aligned on many other issues. The answer to that is because they are very real, very human and have no need for deception. I was attacked for being a Socialist. When you ran out of that, you decided to go with the Dem coopting BS.

What we know for sure, due to following the money is that you are aligned with a Libertopian PR firm. The words that you speak are paid for.


[-] 0 points by davisstraub (52) 2 years ago


"So the one percent does have reason to be upset. No, Obama isn’t Hitler; but he is turning out to be a little bit of FDR, after all."

[-] 0 points by davisstraub (52) 2 years ago

Jesus Christ, what a rant. Obama is due quite a bit of criticism, but this rant only makes one wish to defend him from an unfair attack.



[-] -2 points by richardsmithsonianski (-2) 2 years ago

Wake up - you cannot make a career and retire on minimum wage for flipping burgers. Learn a skill or you will soon be permanently unemployed. The ROBOTS are coming - and they can flip burgers or pick apples or lots of other simple tasks 24x7 for less than $20,000/year in expenses. Unskilled people are about to be useless in the 21st century - and, oh yeah, even without a job Obama will require you to buy expensive health insurance OR be royally fined (ok, taxed). Obama has done us no favors.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22196) 2 years ago

Human beings matter. Human beings are the reason we have economic systems in the first place. Economic systems are man-made and controlled by humans. They do not grow up out of the soil reaching for the sun. The primary objective of an economic system should be to provide for the people that live under it, not just to create profit for a few. If robots do the work, so be it, but all humans in that economic system must be provided with an opportunity to provide for a decent life for themselves. The resources must be shared by all. If not, the economic system is a failure.

Here's a short video that explains this, "The Revolution is Love":


[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22196) 2 years ago

"Campaigning for a fairer sharing of wealth, power and resources within and between nations."

"A sustainable global economy fit for the 21st Century must be based on a new ethical framework that reflects and supports humanity’s interdependence."

This is what we need to do. Share, and by doing so, end greed. It would benefit 100% of us.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're welcome.

hope you bookmarked it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Auto-mated business should be taxed for how many people it puts out of work.

[-] -2 points by ogFrag (-2) from Santa Monica, CA 2 years ago

The blame is put squarely on Capitalism but we have not had real Capitalism in 100 years. What we have now is a corporate and banking Oligarchy. If you don't know the problem you can't fix it.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Actually, I would say that you have the exact same capitalism that you had 100 years ago.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

more people

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Doesn't matter.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just 4 U :

Cartoon: Progressive Kristallnacht by Jen SorensenFollow for Comics

[-] -2 points by akapak (-8) from Jersey City, NJ 2 years ago

Looks like Obama is preparing to constrict our privacy rights even more. Did you read the latest news? Looks like he's been using Angry Birds as spy software for his NSA. 1 billion people downloaded that software! That's one out of seven people in the world!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32528) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Looks like you may have picked a mostly apt username = catatonic

Though with your rant - braindead might be more apt.

R U just another lame prevaricator? Ur rant would suggest that U R.


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Um......she's a city council member, not a Governor, or even a Mayor.

From that level of government, she's stuck her neck out pretty far.

She has my respect.


Libe(R)tarians did that, a long time ago.


[+] -4 points by struggleforfreedom90 (-1) 2 years ago

She's kinda ditsy.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

give every one $50 a day to stay out of trouble