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After Feeding Thousands, OWS Sits Down in Liberty Square

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 24, 2011, 6:09 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

Thanksgiving at #OWS

Today, Occupations across the U.S. have shown that the 99% Movement can do more than protest—we can also take care of one another. Across the world, people still reeling from homelessness, poverty, foreclosures, and economic inequality have a lot less to be thankful for. But today, we reminded ourselves—and the world—that we can still be thankful for our mutual solidarity. From D.C. to Oakland and everywhere in between, Occupiers sat down for communal meals. Others marked Thanksgiving by honoring indigenous Native communities and First Nations who continue to fight for their land and sovereignty against colonialism and corporate greed.

In New York, Occupy The Hood dropped off hundreds of meals at shelters across Harlem, Brooklyn, and the Bronx. The OWS kitchen cooked enough warm meals for 4000 people and handed them out at Liberty Square. Meals were also delivered to churches that have sheltered displaced residents from Liberty Square and to the Occupations at New School and Rockaway. Following dinner, there was a spontaneous sit-in in solidarity with the many people who lost their place of rest when OWS was raided on November 15th.

After the violent eviction of the encampment at Liberty Square in which many Occupier's possessions (including the majority of the People's Library) were destroyed, Mayor Bloomberg's NYPD has been enforcing a strict "no camping" rule inside Liberty Park. NYPD has also been constantly watching the park and preventing people from bringing in tents or "large containers" (such as musical instrument cases). There have been reports that individuals have been arrested for lying down in the square. But this eviction, along with the coordinated attempt to remove Occupations across the world, has only reinvigorated our movement.

In a beautiful display of solidarity, hundreds of people (including many who lost their homes and belongings during the eviction) sat down together after sharing dinner. Before beginning the night's General Assembly, individuals gave powerful stories and speeches affirming our right to come together in public space, while sit-in protesters played instruments, sang, and chanted "who's park? our park!" and "ain't no party like an occupy party, cause an occupy party don't stop!"

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[-] 29 points by owsthentic (81) 2 years ago

What a spirit! I'm so proud of you New Yorkers! You are the proudest citizens this year, New Yorkers. Your leading, actions, bravery, trategies, warm hearts and cooperation with each other, etc etc are really inspirational. Best wishes!

[-] 13 points by KeenAwareness (66) 2 years ago

Now that is what being thankful is all about!

[-] 8 points by struggleforfreedom80 (6584) 2 years ago

Well deserved meal, guys:) Keep on fighting

Greetings and solidarity from Norway struggleforfreedom

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[-] 3 points by dingy58 (172) 2 years ago

A Thanksgiving meal well deserved. Workers just like other people on this day take this day for a needed rest to regroup and connect with their community. If you read the article you would see they feed thousands of people, and I find that very inspiring.

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[-] 1 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

It is inspired. The meaning of life is to take pleasure in hard work and good company and, yes, to enjoy the fruits of ones' efforts, as well as to be generous with ourselves and others. Too many people aim to take the fruits of other people's labor and this is why we suffer.

[-] 8 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL

MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION P.O. Box 13521 Minneapolis MN 55414 612/ 721-3914 . fax 612/ 721-7826 Email: aimggc@worldnet.att.net Web Address: www.aimovement.org


November 23, 2005

ORIGINS OF THANKSGIVING The year was 1637.....700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe, gathered for their "Annual Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn.

While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercernaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building.

The next day, the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared : "A day of Thanksgiving, thanking God that they had eliminated over 700 men, women and children.

For the next 100 years, every "Thanksgiving Day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.

Newell based his research on studies of Holland Documents and the 13 volume Colonial Documentary History, both thick sets of letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the king in England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years in the mid-1600s.

"My research is authentic because it is documentary," Newell said. "You can't get anything more accurate than that because it is first hand. It is not hearsay."

Newell said the next 100 Thanksgivings commemorated the killing of the Indians at what is now Groton, Connecticut [home of a nuclear submarine base] rather than a celebration with them. He said the image of Indians and Pilgrims sitting around a large table to celebrate Thanksgiving Day was "fictitious" although Indians did share food with the first settlers.


Source: Documents of Holland, 13 Volume Colonial Documentary. History, letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the King in England and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, Britsh Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years. Researched by William B. Newell (Penobscot Tribe) Former Chairman of the University of Connecticut Anthropology Department.

In the wording of that declaration? "The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive dispensations in and by the present War with the Heathen Natives of this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern that in the midst of his judgments he hath remembered mercy"

That Occupy Wall Street NYC does not see how your messaging failed to recognize Native People's oppression hurts. Sorry. I know you are going to come back with every excuse under the book. The truth is other Occupy sites came out and condemned the racist history of "Thanksgiving" you did not. I can't believe you mentioned the other sites as you bragged about celebrating THANKSTAKING. "‎"In 1675 “King Phillip” called upon all natives to unite to defend their homelands from the English. For the next year the bloody conflict went on non-stop, until Metacomet was captured, murdered, quartered, his hands were cut off and sent to Boston, his head was impaled on a pike in the town square of Plymouth for the next 25 years, and his nine-year-old son was shipped to the Caribbean to be a slave for the rest of his life."

It is unbelievable that you could fail to mention the racism of this holiday.

[-] 8 points by LDF78 (8) from San Jose, CA 2 years ago

I just blogged today about how the whole 'Pilgrims & Indians sharing a nice dinner' story is lies, all lies. HOWEVER.. I also sited that TODAY (and in the 33yrs I've been alive) this holiday is NO LONGER ABOUT ANY OF THAT. Today this holiday follows its name.. Today we celebrate it as a day of GIVING THANKS, WHATEVER THE THANKS MAY BE. Racism, violence, & every form of evil imaginable can be found sprinkled (or globbed) allllll over virtually every single aspect of history, from the dawn of man all the way up to & including present day actions. Now, acknowledging this is important.. But I still find nothing wrong w/ celebrating Thanksgiving. A holiday like this can mean whatever a person wants it to mean in their hearts.. And Im willing to bet that for MOST people today, pilgims/indians/& our nations sordid history are not involved in the definition/meaning of this celebration. Basically, its ok.. We just gave some thanks, & giving thanks is good. :)

-- I do however thank you for the 411 on that.. Never knew the specifics, just that it wasnt the friendly dinner party story we were fed as children.

[-] 3 points by somerton1951 (6) 2 years ago

I agree, what are people supposed to do about the terror and acts of violence of the past, eat dirt? Celebrate "Everyone hate ourselves day?"

Some people make such a point of emphasizing the negatives of life, the mistakes of the past they become incapable of offering thanks for the good or appreciative of what has been learned and done to make our society more humane and civilized.

[-] 3 points by Guaya (5) 2 years ago

It's not about being negative on people's holiday. However, children are still being spoon fed the lie in school. We need to spread awareness, it should not be pushed under the rug so we don't disturb everyone's good time. It should be turned into a day of awareness, responsibility, and celebration of the 700 innocent lives lost. This is why we are doing the OCCUPY movement. We have been taught for so long to just twist the truth or ignore the bad so we can continue to have a good time and empty our pockets into their wallets. Don't worry, calm down, be happy, nothing's wrong, just have a good time.... that's what got us where we are today. OCCUPY

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

A very white thought "celebrate everone hate ourselves day"? Yes that is the only interpretation that asking you to acknowledge the truth could possibly have. For you to hate yourselves and we couldn't have that could we. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO narcisistic maybe you could use a day of self hatred. Just kidding but really. Read what you wrote. I mean what do you want white people to do give up some of the land they stole? YES!!

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Great give thanks. Is it too much to ask that thanks be given to the 100 million Indians who died to make the meal possible?

[-] 1 points by freedomisntfree (10) 2 years ago

If we're all about separating ourselves from the "pilgrims and Indians" myth, then why are we still celebrating the same holiday, on the same day, with the same customs, etc? Why not create a totally new holiday that doesn't have a horrible past and can be founded on positives instead?

[-] 5 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

Thank you for offering up this information. I wonder if it is any consolation that the current tradition does not describe the massacre of Indians as the reason for celebration. Indeed, there is need for reflection, remorse and reparations. If you read 1491 by Charles C. Mann, he describes how explorers and colonists were in fact impressed by the culture and technology of the indigenous tribes they encountered...albeit in some ways. It seems that the best way to find resolve is to ask why it was that settlers and the founders of this nation afterward, thought it wise to massacre indigenous populations. These days, Thanksgiving is simply a day of rest to spend time with friends and/or family. I did not take pleasure in the remote thought of a history that, until you offered this information, I knew little about. What was most impressive about Charles C. Mann is how wrong the assumption was, is, that the conquerors were able to do so because of their superior way of life. When I was in high school, there was a history teacher, a Ph.D. no less, who would think nothing of saying things like "we gave the Indians technology, they gave us syphilis." When brutality and ignorance is communicated so glibly, it is a sign of perversion. It is important to recognize this perversion of human nature, to engage in brutality and abuse, and it is fair to say that not enough recognition has been granted in the U.S., especially with regard to equal rights for indigenous people. The fact is that brutality still exists and it is not widely discussed, like so much exploitation. On the other hand, if condemnation was the best remedy for ignorance and poor behavior, we'd be living in paradise.

[-] 4 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

What would be a consolation is that they admit that this was the reason for the holiday and not dodge it. I realize it is now a day families can spend together and enjoy. Great. In the process the truth should be taught. Watching a holiday based oon the murder of indigenous people and knowing that indigenous people are an extreme minority in our own land with no acknowledgement on how that came about is insanity.

[-] 3 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

Insane? I am not so sure. It is surely naive and naivete is, in the words of Graham Greene, a kind of madness.

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[-] 5 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Thanksgiving is a holiday that does give me the creeps, and it's for the reason you lay out here.

[-] 4 points by anonalien (77) 2 years ago

SYBIL OR THE TWO NATIONS (sounds familiar?) Book 2 ch 13 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3760/3760-h/3760-h.htm

"Twelve hours of daily labour at the rate of one penny each hour; and even this labour is mortgaged! How is this to end? Is it rather not ended?" And he looked around him at his chamber without resources: no food, no fuel, no furniture, and four human beings dependent on him, and lying in their wretched beds because they had no clothes. "I cannot sell my loom," he continued, "at the price of old firewood, and it cost me gold. It is not vice that has brought me to this, nor indolence, nor imprudence. I was born to labour, and I was ready to labour. I loved my loom and my loom loved me. It gave me a cottage in my native village, surrounded by a garden of whose claims on my solicitude it was not jealous. There was time for both. It gave me for a wife the maiden that I had ever loved; and it gathered my children round my hearth with plenteousness and peace. I was content: I sought no other lot. It is not adversity that makes me look back upon the past with tenderness.

"Then why am I here? Why am I, and six hundred thousand subjects of the Queen, honest, loyal, and industrious, why are we, after manfully struggling for years, and each year sinking lower in the scale, why are we driven from our innocent and happy homes, our country cottages that we loved, first to bide in close towns without comforts, and gradually to crouch into cellars, or find a squalid lair like this, without even the common necessaries of existence; first the ordinary conveniences of life, then raiment, and, at length, food, vanishing from us.

"It is that the Capitalist has found a slave that has supplanted the labour and ingenuity of man. Once he was an artizan: at the best, he now only watches machines; and even that occupation slips from his grasp, to the woman and the child. The capitalist flourishes, he amasses immense wealth; we sink, lower and lower; lower than the beasts of burthen; for they are fed better than we are, cared for more. And it is just, for according to the present system they are more precious. And yet they tell us that the interests of Capital and of Labour are identical.

"If a society that has been created by labour suddenly becomes independent of it, that society is bound to maintain the race whose only property is labour, from the proceeds of that property, which has not ceased to be productive.

"When the class of the Nobility were supplanted in France, they did not amount in number to one-third of us Hand-Loom weavers; yet all Europe went to war to avenge their wrongs, every state subscribed to maintain them in their adversity, and when they were restored to their own country, their own land supplied them with an immense indemnity. Who cares for us? Yet we have lost our estates. Who raises a voice for us? Yet we are at least as innocent as the nobility of France. We sink among no sighs except our own. And if they give us sympathy—what then? Sympathy is the solace of the Poor; but for the Rich, there is Compensation".

[-] 3 points by anonalien (77) 2 years ago

I must tell you that in the so-called modern America and its mentality I see a reborn British Empire. Read some Victorian lit and you gonna have deja vus, one after another.

These kids are "doing something" and this has to be appreciated. In their actions I can perceive not immense knowledge, but rather a physical display of an inner notion of discrimination of what is good and what is bad, something not often seen before in the behavior of Americans, but what a human being should begin to attempt to do at age five. It is a very backwards society, at least 150 years behind humanity in their thinking. But, whatever is going on is better than having none of it at all. And having this thorn called America paining the world for ever and bloody ever.

I, personally, wish to see less division and alienation in this country and especially that perspiring from the American lack of appreciation towards immigrants. I think until the mentality shifts, the perception of Americans that America is the greatest country in the world and that they are exceptional, we will see little overall improvement.

[-] 3 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Lesss division will exist when racist holidays are demystified. \

[-] 3 points by Vhorthex (21) 2 years ago

People still think the 25th of December is Jesus Christ's birthday, when in fact it was a ploy by Constantine to try to qualm religious unrest by binding it to a pagan holiday. More trivial but still highly indicative of the underlying problem, some people believe that Santa Claus has always been red, when in fact it's COCA-COLA that made Santa red. (For obvious reasons)

Without a personal desire for social awareness and a thirst for history, people will just take everything at the surface level and never bother to figure out the reasons behind anything.

[-] 2 points by anonalien (77) 2 years ago

hear hear

[-] 3 points by Phaedriatica (3) from Spartanburg, SC 2 years ago

NPR's report tells a much different story: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2010/11/22/131516586/who-brought-the-turkey-the-truth-about-the-first-thanksgiving Not saying one is more correct than the other, just offering another perspective.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

They are telling of the story of Squanto, this was not the first Thanksgiving.THe first government sanctioned Thanksgivng was to celebrate victory over the Pequots and the murder of 700 people;.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

The first "thanksgiving" was in 1621 and involved Squanto. You refer to a massacre that took place in 1637 - how then does your version pre-date the Squanto version?

[-] 3 points by dingy58 (172) 2 years ago

I've never read that information, thanks for posting it. That's incredible, awful. I will look on Thanksgiving differently in the future. Have you posted this as a separate topic? This needs to be shared. Please have patience with us; we are learning. At least for one day, people were united and some had a meal they needed.

[-] 2 points by foxla (39) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

No doubt on everything you are saying! That is the best account I heard yet, just in terms of truth to justice, truth to empower, and truth, plain old truth. Tell it, and tell it plain, but by God, tell it! There is no way the powers to be will really speak the truth about this day, well because it weakens what the Nation stands for, truthfully. That is why it is history vs. ourstory, well because it is literally someone else's story, someone else's depiction of events, and it is really a shame how one version of the story of a past gets propogated all over the place. All the lies are eventually going to catch up with this Nation, especially since some powers to be don't seem to learn the lessons from the past. It is really too bad, too, too bad. This is a strange time and place we are living in, really it is. You are right there is a certain level of hypocrisy about Thanksgiving, and if you speak up on it, people try to say you are not being patriotic, and such. This just be for speaking the truth!

[-] 2 points by anonalien (77) 2 years ago

its not like anyone is doing anything new or revolutionary here. it's rather people collectively asking "ugh, uhm, so how do we puke out that blue pill? anyone?"

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

FYI- King Philip's head was displayed on a pike outside Plymouth for 20 years after his beheading. For 20 years townspeople walked by the head of this chief everyday and gave thanks. Inspirational huh?

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[-] 1 points by laureninalaska (1) 2 years ago

Yes it.s true that our American history is built on the suffering of others. That any one culture or color has even survived is something to be thankful for. I am of Native American and Irish decent. To share the history of our people is good. But to start a food fight that elevates to actual name calling and even killing is exactly what the 1% love to see. It is called divide and conquor and those of you who have fallen for this ploy should be ashamed of yourselves. Right now, this very moment is too important, to great, too immediate to once again fall for this petty arguing. Native Americans may want to coorfinate with the Occupy people. Teach, inform and share your own cause. Laitinos, Blacks and Asians should do as well. This is a national movement. It should never be seen as a one cultural, one gender, one race movement. because once it is seen as such then we have lost. And that is what the 1% is waiting for. They have the power, the money and all of the time in the world. The clock will tick against us if we do not collectively pull together and concentrate on the here and now. If people died for a greater cause then we must not let their memory and what they died for be in vain.We are alive! This movement is the biggest thing to come along since the free speech movement,civil rights and anti war demonstrations of the 60's. The Movement didn't change everything but their impact did make changes that mattered. Occupy must now be open to letting the protesters list their mutual concerns. We don't need leadership for this but we do need our voices heard. Native Americans obviously have tribal issues and Americans of the 99% mass should know what they are. And the same goes for every other racial group. But there are issues that we should all have as a common bond. Let me begin my list here. I believe the US Postal workers have (are) recieving a raw deal and most people do not know the back story as to why they ar losing money. Most people will be surprised to know truth then they should get damned mad! And surprise, surprise this is an issue that affects every American. Not a few. Demand that your congressman/Congresswomen to vote YES on the bill Postal Service Protection Act S1853 AND NO on Bill HR2309. Find more information to empower our Postal Workers and keep them working! Another one of my issues is that our Congressmen and Congressmen, lobbyist and staff members may invest on insider information when the average American and even Wall Street can be sent to jail for acting on or investing on insider information. My question is ,how can we realistically expect our representatives to do the peoples work when they may do legally what is against the law for the rest of us? This bill is sponsored by Brian Baird D Washington called the Stop Trading On Congressional Knowledge Act # HR 682 We MUST insist (not ask), that our Representives do the right thing and sign a pledge to support these bills. After all they signed that phony pledge for Norquist we must insist they sign these bills for the people who placed them in office to do the peoples work. And if they do not they must be called out and the pressure must be put on them. Everylast one of us are affected by these bills Another issue is Medicare and Social Security,issues of the disablesd and issues affecting our veterans.If you are young you will be deeply affected by shennanigans that Congress is up to. Occupy, I am asking you to start a topic thread of issues that are submitted by the OWS protesters and their followers and supporters. Allow them their voice. It is no longer enough to say that "oh well, we all have different views" and not to have a real list of what those views are. You have enough room to create a page with lists that people can click onto to read more about topics or for new topics to be added. What are you waiting for?I want my Post Office! I want my Congress to stop being rigged, I want Medicare and Social Security to NOT be penalized for what Congress has done by robbing our accounts and wanting to privatize these programs . I want to see Congress do more for our veterans. Look around you and many who are marching with you and sleeping in the park are homeless or unemployed vets (both men and women) Let's get real and stop this nit picking and stop getting side tracked. Your 1% opposition is waiting for the Movement to fail and one way or the other is totally dependent upon us! Thank you for your time. Lauren In Alaska

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

I did no name calling. I am in solidarity with all people of the Occupy movement. They broke solidarity with us.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

Hi Ogitchidaag. I think this is outside the scope of what the Occupy movement is about. It is an interesting story. Americans are a great people for sure - always prepared to forgive and forget. Fancy the English calling Americans "heathen natives". That were certainly racist murderers.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Fancy Americans calling themselves civilized after the war in Iraq, 60 years of CIA mischief in Latin America, 150 years of American mischief in Latin America, millions killed. 250,000 Filipinos killed by the US. Yes such a great civilized nation. WWI what was the excuse fro that one? Vietnam? An absolute national disgrace that left millions dead in Laos and Cambodia? I am sure Americans are quick to wish to forget. With the millions and millions and millions of lives shattered before you even get to the Indian Removal act of 1830 that pushed all Indians East of the Miss. West. Yes sure to wish ot be forgiven. We are the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere first and Americans against our will.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

American corporations are benefiting and have benefited from the theft of Indian land and the past genocide of Native people. They are also benefiting today from their profits that began with slavery. Good example? New York Life insured slaves. Meaning without slavery and genocide America's oldest corporations wouldn't even have nade it into existence. Further the buying and selling of land that is land obtained by violating current treaties that are on the books benefits Wall Street. Why is Wall Street called Wall Street? There are varying accounts about how the Dutch-named "de Waal Straat" got its name. A generally accepted version is that the name of the street name was derived from an earthen wall on the northern boundary of the New Amsterdam settlement, to protect against English colonial encroachment or incursions by native Americans. How Ironic? Seriously. Manhattan was famously stolen fromthe Indians. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. The 1% would have nothing if their fortunes were traced abck and all holdings that were obtained through genocide and theft were taken away. So what you are saying is. "The injustice of Wall Street against Indians is not why we are here", "We are here becuase of Wall Street's injustices against everyone except for you". Thanks for the clarification.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

Um. I am confused. The people whom you are calling "Indians" here are actually Americans. The term "native American" to me is an insult. I have a definite problem calling people things like "natives" or "savages". It is typical of the English.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

If it is outide the scop of the Occupy movement why did Occupy Boston stand in solidairty with the Wampanoag NATION during their day of mourning? Why did so many Occupy sites get it and NYC didn't get it? Once again you in your answer show that folks need to reach out to Indigenous people to find out that 1) Indian Nations are NATIONS, Sovereign governments that have a government to government relationship with the US.The Iroqouis have their own passports. Tribes habe their own laws that often are not in line with US law. Sovereignty is constantly under attact because of the view point you espoused above by saying "Indians here actually are Americans". That is an illegal construct that the US continues to thrust down the throat of Indian NATIONS. Just because you think the struggle is over doesn't mean it is. Wounded Knee, the numerous Mohawk uprising, the EZLN Zapatista movement and many other actions taken by indigenous people from Argentina to the Arctic Circle prove it is not over. 2) US Corporations and State governements are currently running rough shod over our current treaties. THe Supremem court in most cases and the United Nations recognize the fact that tribes have nation status why can't you get it. 3) Secular humanists always wan to think that oppression isn't about them. It is about all privileged people who benefit form the current and pastr illegal actions taken on behalf of their government unles sthey are doing something about it. Making society equal? Willl not preserve our contiguous land base and will not preserve our cultural integrity. It will not preserve our language. If all people were made equal under the law now? Some people would be more equal than others as a result of their economic background, education, and race. THere is no dodging out on the fact that reparations to indigenous people and African Americans must be made. Corporations such as Georgia Pacific, New York Life, 3M, Peadody Coal, and thousnds of others built their fortunes on slavery and stolen Indigenous land. Those profits must be broken up to benefit those harmed. We will never shut up about it. We will never forget about it. Indigenous children in this country were taken from their families and raised as Christians in Mission schools in the US and Canada up until the 70's. The survivors are still living! THey demand and deserve reparations. THIS IS NOT OVER. Canada is now paying reparations. THe US refues to acknowledge it happened. What else you got besides telling me how to define my nationality.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

@Ogitchidaag We are on the same and saying the same things in a different way. The orignal peoples of America were called "Indians" as Columbus and co. thought they were in India. If the people want to be called Indians, then fair enough. I think calling them Americans is OK, as they are the originals from America. It is not a construct to my mind of the United States.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Ok I feel that you are trying to meet me halfway here. We never felt American. America in my mind is the name of this government. Americans don't have laws passed to push them off of half of the continent. Americans do not have laws passed to make their ethnicity illegal as many states did to us. Americans don't have 80% unemployment. Americans have uranium mined directly next to their drinking water supply. Indians do. Yeah the Indian word. Complex, Sort of like the N----r word. Not as abrupt or derisive. Indigenous, First nation, better for non Indians to use. I will tell you a secret. Most Indians like to be referred to by their individual tribal or national heritage. "She is Cherokee". "He is Annishinabe", "They are Cheyenne". Make sense? It acknowledges who we are as a people not as an amorphous blob of culture like "Oriental". Given there are 250 indigenous languages still spoken in the USA. And 3 times that in Central and South America saying indigenous or "Native American" really is like saying "Oriental" or "Middle Eastern". It really doesn't capture much.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

Wasn't intending to meet you half way. Perhaps it might be best to call the original people Americans, and the more recent arrivals African Americans, English Americans, Spanish Americans, Italian Americans, Japanese Americans, Indian Americans etc.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Really? IT is outside what the Occupy movement is about? The Occupy movement is not about being against racial injustice? IT is not about holding the fortunes made by American Corporations made from the theft and murder accountable for what they do? Thanks for clearing that up. I will then drop out ofthe movement. You confirm for me what I already knew. This is not a revolutionary movement. You said-"Americans are a great people for sure - always prepared to forgive and forget" Number one! Native people are sovereing nations we are not "Americans". Niumber 2 you cannot forgive what has not been acknowledged or repaired. If this is outside the scope of the Occupy Movement then THANKSGIVING IS ALSO OUTSIDE THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT and should not have been celebrated just as Christmas should not be either!

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

I agree Native American is an insult and prefer Indigenous, Indian, or First Nations. Actually most Indians are citizens of sovereign Indian nations some of which have their own passports and License tags. It is not true that we consider ourselves Americans. Some do but all are also citizens of other nations. Being American was not a choice we made. We call oursleves Indians because we are still an occupied colonized people and "Indian" is what we are as long as we are colonized. That is why the American Indian Movement is called the American Indian Movement. THere is stil a Bureau of Indian Affairs within the US gov, that is charged with stealing all our timber, minerals, and wealth. When you drive on a reservation you will see a signin most cases that says Welcome to the ___ Indian Reservation.

[-] 1 points by MilitantMama (1) 2 years ago

This is horrible, I am sorry. What should the descendents of these Europeans do today?

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Support indigenous treeaty rights? Stop corporate destruction of our land via the US government leasing our lands against our will. There are millions of current issues. Inregard to thanksgiving take time to remember the people who died to make way for the industrial nightmare you enjoy, remember the people who were killed.

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[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

In 1621, the Plymouth colonists and Wampanoag Indians shared an autumn harvest feast that is acknowledged today as one of the first Thanksgiving celebrations in the colonies. For more than two centuries, days of thanksgiving were celebrated by individual colonies and states. It wasn't until 1863, in the midst of the Civil War, that President Abraham Lincoln proclaimed a national Thanksgiving Day to be held each November.

http://mith.umd.edu//eada/html/display.php?docs=bradford_history.xml

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Isn't it interesting that NOT ONE WORD about Thanksgiving is in the Wikipedia entry about Squanto! That is because he had nothing to do with the first official Thanksgiving, HE was ddragged overseas as a slave though and returned to find his entire tribe dead! HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Tisquantum (better known as Squanto) (c. 1580s – November 1622) was a Patuxet. He was the Native American who assisted the Pilgrims after their first winter in the New World and was integral to their survival. The Patuxet tribe was a tributary of the Wampanoag Confederacy. Squanto's exact date of birth is unknown but many historians listed it as January 1, 1580. On his way back to the Patuxet in 1614, Tisquantum was kidnapped by Englishman Thomas Hunt. Hunt was one of John Smith's lieutenants. Hunt was planning to sell fish, corn, and captured natives in Málaga, Spain. There Hunt attempted to sell Tisquantum and a number of other Native Americans into slavery in Spain for £20 apiece.[1]

Some local friars discovered what Hunt was attempting and took the remaining Native Americans — Tisquantum included — in order to instruct them in the Christian faith.[2] Tisquantum convinced the friars to let him try to return home. He managed to get to London, where he lived with and worked for a few years with John Slany, a shipbuilder who apparently taught Tisquantum more English. Slany took Tisquantum with him when he sailed to Cuper's Cove, Newfoundland.[3] To get to New England, Tisquantum tried to take part in an expedition to that part of the North American east coast. When that plan fell through, he returned to England in 1618.[citation needed] At last in 1619 Tisquantum returned to his homeland, having joined an exploratory expedition along the New England coast. He soon discovered that the Patuxet, as well as a majority of coastal New England tribes (mostly Wampanoag and Massachusett), had been decimated the year before by an epidemic plague, possibly smallpox; it has recently been postulated as having been leptospirosis.[4] Native Americans had no natural immunity to European infectious diseases.

Tisquantum finally settled with Pilgrims at the site of his former village, which the English named Plymouth. He helped them recover from an extremely hard first winter by teaching them the native method of Maize cultivation. This method utilized local fish (herring) to fertilize crops. He likewise taught the colonists how to catch the herring necessary to fertilize maize in the native fashion along with the methods by which they could catch eels and other local wildlife for food.

In 1621 Tisquantum was the guide and translator for settlers Stephen Hopkins and Edward Winslow as they traveled upland on a diplomatic mission to the Wampanoag sachem, known today as Massasoit. In a subsequent mission for Governor William Bradford that summer, Tisquantum was captured by Wampanoag while gathering intelligence on the renegade sagamore, Corbitant, at the village of Nemasket (site of present-day Middleborough, Massachusetts.) Myles Standish led a ten-man team of settlers from Plymouth to rescue Tisquantum if he were alive or, if he had been killed, to avenge him. Tisquantum was found alive and well. He was welcomed back by the Pilgrims at Plymouth, where he continued in his vital role as assistant to the colony.

Although he worked at alliances, Tisquantum ended up distrusted by both the English and the Wampanoag. Massasoit, the sachem who first appointed Tisquantum as liaison to the Pilgrims, nevertheless did not trust him in the tribe's dealings with the settlers. He assigned Hobamok (whose name may have been a pseudonym, as it meant "mischievous"), to watch over Tisquantum and act as a second representative.[citation needed]

On his way back from a meeting to repair damaged relations between the Wampanoag and Pilgrims, Tisquantum became sick with a fever. Some historians have speculated that he was poisoned by the Wampanoag because they believed he had been disloyal to the sachem.[5] Tisquantum died a few days later in 1622 in Chatham, Massachusetts. He was buried in an unmarked grave, possibly in Plymouth's cemetery Burial Hill.[citation needed] Peace between the two groups lasted for another fifty years.

Governor William Bradford, in Bradford's History of the English Settlement, wrote regarding Tisquantum's death:

Here [Manamoick Bay] Squanto fell ill of Indian fever, bleeding much at the nose, which the Indians take as a symptom of death, and within a few days he died. He begged the Governor to pray for him, that he might go to the Englishman's God in heaven, and bequeathed several of his things to his English friends, as remembrances. His death was a great loss.

So what we know about Squanto is that he was not trusted by his own people. He was probably poisoned for it. HE was a slave, he only got home by agreeing to guide more Europeans here and cane back and found all his people dead from small pox. What a beautiful American story.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

THis was dug up and rolled out as the first Thanksgiving in 1914 via a painting by Jeanie Branscome of the Pilgrim Society. THe Pilgrim descendants themselves admit that the first proclaimed Thanksgiving had NOTHING to do with this alleged incident. It is amazing how White people will do anything to keep form giving up their cultural dominance.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

How sad that in your desperation to condemn yet another American tradition, you are willing to promote lies that suit your own desires.

http://hnn.us/articles/15002.html

From History News Network-George Mason University- "The Truth About Thanksgiving Is that the Debunkers Are Wrong"

Before you go quoting William B. Newell perhaps you should be aware that he is a liar. "What’s not authentic is the claim that William Newell was head of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut, whose faculty cannot recall him at all. When the department was founded in 1971, Newell was 79 years old." (quote taken from the linked article)

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

From the University of Oklahoma Law Department http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/thanksgiv.shtml

The First Thanksgiving Proclamation

June 20, 1676

"The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive dispensations in and by the present Warr with the Heathen Natives of this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern that in the midst of his judgements he hath remembered mercy, having remembered his Footstool in the day of his sore displeasure against us for our sins, with many singular Intimations of his Fatherly Compassion, and regard; reserving many of our Towns from Desolation Threatened, and attempted by the Enemy, and giving us especially of late with many of our Confederates many signal Advantages against them, without such Disadvantage to ourselves as formerly we have been sensible of, if it be the Lord's mercy that we are not consumed, It certainly bespeaks our positive Thankfulness, when our Enemies are in any measure disappointed or destroyed; and fearing the Lord should take notice under so many Intimations of his returning mercy, we should be found an Insensible people, as not standing before Him with Thanksgiving, as well as lading him with our Complaints in the time of pressing Afflictions:

From the highly Conservative Liberty University "The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive dispensations in and by the present Warr with the Heathen Natives of this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern that in the midst of his judgements he hath remembered mercy, having remembered his Footstool in the day of his sore displeasure against us for our sins, with many singular Intimations of his Fatherly Compassion, and regard..."

John Mason Quote: Mason himself wrote: "It may be demanded...Should not Christians have more mercy and compassion? But...sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents.... We had sufficient light from the word of God for our proceedings."

The Conquest of New England

By the 1670s there were about 30,000 to 40,000 white inhabitants in the United New England Colonies--6,000 to 8,000 able to bear arms. With the Pequot destroyed, the Massachusetts and Plymouth colonists turned on the Wampanoag, the tribe that had saved them in 1620 and probably joined them for the original Thanksgiving Day.

In 1675 a Christian Wampanoag was killed while spying for the Puritans. The Plymouth authorities arrested and executed three Wampanoag without consulting the tribal chief, King Philip.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

The Indians applied some military lessons they had learned: they waged a guerrilla war which overran isolated European settlements and were often able to inflict casualties on the Puritan soldiers. The colonists again attacked and massacred the main Indian populations.

When this war ended, 600 European men, one-eleventh of the adult men of the New England Colonies, had been killed in battle. Hundreds of homes and 13 settlements had been wiped out. But the colonists won.

In their victory, the settlers launched an all-out genocide against the remaining Native people. The Massachusetts government offered 20 shillings bounty for every Indian scalp, and 40 shillings for every prisoner who could be sold into slavery. Soldiers were allowed to enslave any Indian woman or child under 14 they could capture. The "Praying Indians" who had converted to Christianity and fought on the side of the European troops were accused of shooting into the treetops during battles with "hostiles." They were enslaved or killed. Other "peaceful" Indians of Dartmouth and Dover were invited to negotiate or seek refuge at trading posts--and were sold onto slave ships.

It is not known how many Indians were sold into slavery, but in this campaign, 500 enslaved Indians were shipped from Plymouth alone. Of the 12,000 Indians in the surrounding tribes, probably about half died from battle, massacre and starvation.

After King Philip's War, there were almost no Indians left free in the northern British colonies. A colonist wrote from Manhattan's New York colony: "There is now but few Indians upon the island and those few no ways hurtful. It is to be admired how strangely they have decreased by the hand of God, since the English first settled in these parts."

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

In Massachusetts, the colonists declared a "day of public thanksgiving" in 1676, saying, "there now scarce remains a name or family of them [the Indians] but are either slain, captivated or fled." Fifty-five years after the original Thanksgiving Day, the Puritans had destroyed the generous Wampanoag and all other neighboring tribes. The Wampanoag chief King Philip was beheaded. His head was stuck on a pole in Plymouth, where the skull still hung on display 24 years later.

The descendants of these Native peoples are found wherever the Puritan merchant capitalists found markets for slaves: the West Indies, the Azures, Algiers, Spain and England. The grandson of Massasoit, the Pilgrim's original protector, was sold into slavery in Bermuda.

Runaways and Rebels

But even the destruction of Indian tribal life and the enslavement of survivors brought no peace. Indians continued to resist in every available way. Their oppressors lived in terror of a revolt. And they searched for ways to end the resistance. The historian MacLeod writes: "The first reservations' were designed for thewild' Irish of Ulster in 1609. And the first Indian reservation agent in America, Gookin of Massachusetts, like many other American immigrants had seen service in Ireland under Cromwell."

The enslaved Indians refused to work and ran away. The Massachusetts government tried to control runaways by marking enslaved Indians: brands were burnt into their skin, and symbols were tattooed into their foreheads and cheeks.

A Massachusetts law of 1695 gave colonists permission to kill Indians at will, declaring it was "lawful for any person, whether English or Indian, that shall find any Indians traveling or skulking in any of the towns or roads (within specified limits), to command them under their guard and examination, or to kill them as they may or can."

The northern colonists enacted more and more laws for controlling the people. A law in Albany forbade any African or Indian slave from driving a cart within the city. Curfews were set up; Africans and Indians were forbidden to have evening get-togethers. On Block Island, Indians were given 10 lashes for being out after nine o'clock. In 1692 Massachusetts made it a serious crime for any white person to marry an African, an Indian or a mulatto. In 1706 they tried to stop the importation of Indian slaves from other colonies, fearing a slave revolt.

Celebrate?

Looking at this history raises a question: Why should anyone celebrate the survival of the earliest Puritans with a Thanksgiving Day? Certainly the Native peoples of those times had no reason to celebrate.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

A little known fact: Squanto, the so-called "hero" of the original Thanksgiving Day, was executed by the Indians for his treacheries.

But the ruling powers of the United States organized people to celebrate Thanksgiving Day because it is in their interest. That's why they created it. The first national celebration of Thanksgiving was called for by George Washington. And the celebration was made a regular legal holiday later by Abraham Lincoln during the civil war (right as he sent troops to suppress the Sioux of Minnesota).

Washington and Lincoln were two presidents deeply involved in trying to forge a unified bourgeois nation-state out of the European settlers in the United States. And the Thanksgiving story was a useful myth in their efforts at U.S. nation-building. It celebrates the "bounty of the American way of life," while covering up the brutal nature of this society.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

You disprove your own statement that the 1621 Thanksgiving day was not the first with this....

The Conquest of New England

With the Pequot destroyed, the Massachusetts and Plymouth colonists turned on the Wampanoag, the tribe that had saved them in 1620 and probably joined them for the original Thanksgiving Day.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Well it is confudsed by Americans reconstructing history as usual. The event with Squanto was dug in 1914 by the pilgrim society to reconstruct Thanksgiving. The actual first time that there was a proclamation of a Thanksging Day had nothing to do with Squanto. The pilgrim society admits this. Jeanie Branscome in 1914 did a painting based on the story of Squanto and there was a national revisionism that decided they would claim this as the first Thanksgiving even though it had nothing to do with the first proclaimed Thanksgiving.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

Sorry to disagree with you, but it is your recitation that is leaving out much of history - Thanksgiving observances may have been "proclaimed" by various colonies but the United States did not observe it as a national holiday until Lincoln proclaimed it one in 1863.

Since you mentioned Wikipedia (which is built up of user added information much of it unsourced or with an inherent bias):

"The first documented thanksgiving feasts in territory currently belonging to the United States were conducted by Spaniards in the 16th century.[8][9][10] Thanksgiving services were routine in what was to become the Commonwealth of Virginia as early as 1607,[11] with the first permanent settlement of Jamestown, Virginia holding a thanksgiving in 1610."

"On December 4, 1619, 38 English settlers arrived at Berkeley Hundred ... - The group's charter required that the day of arrival be observed yearly as a "day of thanksgiving" to God. On that first day, Captain John Woodlief held the service of thanksgiving. As quoted from the section of the Charter of Berkeley Hundred specifying the thanksgiving service: "We ordaine that the day of our ships arrival at the place assigned for plantacon in the land of Virginia shall be yearly and perpetually kept holy as a day of thanksgiving to Almighty God."[12]"

"Squanto, a Patuxet Native American who resided with the Wampanoag tribe, taught the Pilgrims how to catch eel and grow corn and served as an interpreter for them (Squanto had learned English while enslaved in Europe and during travels in England). Additionally the Wampanoag leader Massasoit had donated food stores to the fledgling colony during the first winter when supplies brought from England were insufficient. The Pilgrims set apart a day to celebrate at Plymouth immediately after their first harvest, in 1621. At the time, this was not regarded as a Thanksgiving observance; harvest festivals existed in English and Wampanoag tradition alike. Several colonists gave personal accounts of the 1621 feast in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The Pilgrims, most of whom were Separatists, are not to be confused with Puritans who established their own Massachusetts Bay Colony nearby (current day Boston) in 1628 and had very different religious beliefs.[14]

The life of those Plymouth Rock Pilgrims was well documented. Despite your statement that Thanksgiving was observed in 1637 due to a defeat by the whites of the Indians, these harvest and thanksgiving observances have a historical basis beyond that.

Furthermore, the speech given by Lincoln acknowledge the sins of the people......

..."They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union."

Nothing in that proclamation about celebrating the massacre of the native people of this land.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Also look at the actions of these people you claim to be declaring Thanksgiving? The Spanish, the Pilgrims, and others. Not one of these groups of people had anything but a relationship of genocide with the indigenous people. Your own quote "The Pilgrims set apart a day to celebrate at Plymouth immediately after their first harvest, in 1621. At the time, this was not regarded as a Thanksgiving observance; harvest festivals existed in English and Wampanoag tradition alike." THis was not the first thanksgiving it did not get referenced as so until 1914 toward the end of the Indian Wars to put happy face on hundreds of years of genocide. White privilege will do anything to maintain it. Even reconstruct history. Never any apology, never any recognition of the effect that the nake daggression of these vile and rabid people had on this continent. Just look at the land, the naimals, the air, the water, and of course the Indian people, the original 99% now 1.3% what in the hell is there to give thanks for? For indigenous people? Please tell me? That there are so few left the US decided to stop murdering babies, and putting prices on their heads? And who started Scalping? During Queen Anne's War, by 1703, the Massachusetts Bay Colony was offering $60 for each native scalp.[10] During Dummer's War (c. 1721–1725), British colonial authorities offered £100 per Indian scalp – which adjusted for inflation would be about US $20,000 (£14,000) in present-day money. Ranger John Lovewell is known to have conducted scalp-hunting expeditions, the most famous happening in New Hampshire on 25 Feb 1725

Sooo much to be thankful for

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

That connection was made in 1914. The fact that Squanto one traitor had dinner with someone in 1621 was made into a painting in 1914 by Jeanie Branscome and it was only then that the Squanto story became connected to Thanksgiving for 100 years every offically proclaimed Thanksgiving was to celebrate a victory over Indians. In regard to that hapless sap Squanto who played informant on his own people he was poisoned for doing so. He was enslaved and taken to Europe and when returned found all his people had been murdered or died of Small Pox. You also fail to mention George Washington proclamation of Thanksgiving which was made to celebrate ending the Revolutionary war. It was always about War. [New York, 3 October 1789]

Page Image. By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

G Washington

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Umm and Newell is not our only source for info.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

So nice that conservatives take time to get on here and defend Jesus, the Pilgrims, and Santa Clause.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

Like most of you ilk, you take bits and pieces of history to support your belief system and then get angry when others provides the missing bits and pieces...like the fact that the story of the Pilgrims and Sqanto's thanksgiving feast WAS the first Thanksgiving and the one taught to students as part of US history.

No one disputes that in 1637 a massacre took place or that the people involved in it called for their own day of thanksgiving. But you attempt to persuade folks here that that was the FIRST thanksgiving.

You are simply wrong.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Nice try Well it is confudsed by Americans reconstructing history as usual. The event with Squanto was dug in 1914 by the pilgrim society to reconstruct Thanksgiving. The actual first time that there was a proclamation of a Thanksging Day had nothing to do with Squanto. The pilgrim society admits this. Jeanie Branscome in 1914 did a painting based on the story of Squanto and there was a national revisionism that decided they would claim this as the first Thanksgiving even though it had nothing to do with the first proclaimed Thanksgiving, But let's say your correct? If you were Indian? Would you be happy that a National Holiday had been declared becuase one indian had dinner (alledgedly) with the pilgrims that ignored all the death and destruction that happened before and after it?

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[-] 2 points by Thisisthetime (200) from Kahlotus, WA 2 years ago

Keep Up the Good Work. Take Care of Each Other. Fair-ness.

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[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

How did Occupy Boston manage to get in the headlines supporting Indigenous people on Thanksgiving and New York? Well they were celebrating a racist holiday, I guess certain people had certain priorities:

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2011/11/25/solidarity-occupy-group-joins-with-native-americans/uGgtpNbhAaYmKRNmLvnmTK/story.html In solidarity, Occupy group joins with Native Americans

PLYMOUTH - About 30 Occupy Boston protesters traveled from their encampment in Boston’s Financial District to join the National Day of Mourning here yesterday, lending their support to a Native American demonstration held each Thanksgiving.

The organizers of the event recognized the Occupy members, telling them Native Americans are participants in the same struggle.

“When a hand is reached out in friendship like that, we want to support in-kind,’’ said Mahtowin Monroe, an organizer with the United American Indians of New England who spoke to a crowd of about 200 assembled on Cole’s Hill, overlooking the Plymouth Rock tourist attraction.

YOON S. BYUN/GLOBE STAFF

Jeremy Harper (center) was one of a group of about 30 protesters from the Occupy Boston encampment who marched with the Day of Mourning gathering.

“Their cause is really straightforward, as is ours: One percent of the population holds [much] of the wealth in this country, and people’s benefits are getting slashed and people are losing their homes,’’ said Moonanum James, co-chairman of the United American Indians of New England. “On our reservations, we are mired in the deepest poverty. The idea is to have some equality in this country . . . economic equality.’’

The Occupy protesters didn’t carry banners or assemble as a group. They were scattered throughout the crowd, preferring to defer to the speeches of participants in yesterday’s event.

Susan Barney, a member of Occupy Boston, was among the Dewey Square protesters who formed what they termed an “indigenous solidarity’’ committee and trekked to Plymouth.

“We are gathering to participate along with the indigenous folks as an act of solidarity,’’ she said. “We share many of the same messages.’’

Another Occupy member attending the annual commemoration, Martin Dagoberto, 27, spoke of the common purpose of the Boston protesters and the Native Americans. “We’re trying to figure out how to build a better world, a better society that works for everyone,’’ he said.

Many of the Occupy Boston protesters who didn’t travel to Plymouth stayed at Dewey Square and ate traditional Thanksgiving meals, some of the food donated by supporters who dropped off warm dishes from their car windows.

But some protesters left the camp across from South Station to be with family.

“I’m going down to Connecticut to see my family and my niece who I have not met yet. She’s about 2 months old,’’ said Sage Radachowsky, 38, of Jamaica Plain.

Earlier in the day in Plymouth, a solemn prayer was spoken near the statue of Native American leader Massasoit, with the crowd turning four times to face in all directions, and then looking to the sky and kneeling to pray for Mother Earth.

Organizers of the 42d annual event said Thanksgiving stands for many Native Americans as a reminder of atrocities committed against their ancestors by early settlers, and that the current economic plight of many descendants - poverty - is born of that treatment.

“Being broke and unemployed is not a new feeling to us indigenous people,’’ Monroe said.

After the speeches, the crowd marched down Main Street to the beat of drums, chants, and song.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

And this messaging was great GOOD JOB BOSTON! There are posers and there are revolutionaries. OCCUPY Boston are revolutionaries.

http://www.occupyboston.org/2011/11/24/united-american-indians-england-supports-ob-invites-day-mourning/

On October 8, 2011, the General Assembly of Occupy Boston ratified a memorandum of solidarity with Native Americans and declared Columbus Day to be Indigenous People’s Day. In response, the United American Indians of New England(UAINE) released a statement of support for Occupy/Decolonize Boston. This support for the movement from indigenous people was later followed by support from the American Indian Movement in Minnesota. Below is the UAINE statement, which includes an invitation to refute the Pilgrims’ “Thanksgiving” mythology and instead join the National Day of Mourning for Native Americans.

United American Indians of New England (UAINE) supports Occupy/Decolonize Boston and the Occupy/Decolonize Wall Street movement generally.

We are deeply moved and encouraged that Occupy/Decolonize Boston, as one of its very first actions, issued a memorandum in solidarity with Indigenous peoples. This country and its immense wealth were founded on the genocide of Native peoples, the theft of our lands and resources, and the enslavement and forced labor of our African sisters and brothers. We have been the victims of corporate greed for centuries. If you seek to reimagine a new society free of corporate greed, then we would ask that you learn all you can about the past that has carried us to this place.

The Occupy Wall Street movement is still forming and evolving. We call upon veteran activists to embrace and nurture this important new development, which is like a precious seedling. We all have much to learn from each other. We welcome this convergence of youth and students, People of Color, poor and working people — whether office workers, unemployed people, low wage workers or trade union members —, homeless people, LGBTQ people, disabled people, veterans, immigrants, and people from many other sectors of society. We are all coming together in shared spaces, to share our anger and despair at current political and economic conditions, to plan direct actions, to learn from and understand one another. Together, we can forge a new movement that will sweep away all of the corporate special interests that devastate all living creatures and threaten to destroy our beautiful planet.

We fully support the right of the Occupy/Decolonize Boston encampment to expand from Dewey Square to other parks and open spaces in the city, without the necessity of permits and without fear of police reprisals.

We invite all involved in Occupy/Decolonize Boston to attend the National Day of Mourning in Plymouth, Massachusetts on November 24 at 12 noon. Every year since 1970, Native people and our supporters have come together to refute the mythology of the Pilgrims and declare the US thanksgiving holiday a National Day of Mourning for Native Americans. On that day, we mourn our ancestors. We speak about our history and about current conditions in Indian Country. We express our solidarity with our undocumented sisters and brothers who are under attack and with others in struggle, from Haiti to Palestine. And we demand freedom for Native political prisoner Leonard Peltier. We stand with you now. Come stand with us on November 24.

End war and racism! Honor Native treaties! Stop the destruction of our Earth!

United American Indians of New England (UAINE)

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

'Why I Hate Thanksgiving' By Mitchel Cohen with much material contributed by Peter Linebaugh and others whose names have over the years been lost 11-26-3

The year was 1492. The Taino-Arawak people of the Bahamas discovered Christopher Columbus on their beach.

Historian Howard Zinn tells us how Arawak men and women, naked, tawny, and full of wonder, emerged from their villages onto the island's beaches and swam out to get a closer look at the strange big boat. When Columbus and his sailors came ashore, carrying swords, speaking oddly, the Arawaks ran to greet them, brought them food, water, gifts. Columbus later wrote of this in his log. Here is what he wrote:

"They brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks' bells. They willingly traded everything they owned. They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of sugar cane. They would make fine servants. With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."

And so the conquest began, and the Thanotocracy -- the regime of death -- was inaugurated on the continent the Indians called "Turtle Island."

You probably already know a good piece of the story: How Columbus's Army took Arawak and Taino people prisoners and insisted that they take him to the source of their gold, which they used in tiny ornaments in their ears. And how, with utter contempt and cruelty, Columbus took many more Indians prisoners and put them aboard the Nina and the Pinta -- the Santa Maria having run aground on the island of Hispañola (today, the Dominican Republic and Haiti). When some refused to be taken prisoner, they were run through with swords and bled to death. Then the Nina and the Pinta set sail for the Azores and Spain. During the long voyage, many of the Indian prisoners died. Here's part of Columbus's report to Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain:

"The Indians are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone." Columbus concluded his report by asking for a little help from the King and Queen, and in return he would bring them "as much gold as they need, and as many slaves as they ask."

Columbus returned to the New World -- "new" for Europeans, that is -- with 17 ships and more than 1,200 men. Their aim was clear: Slaves, and gold. They went from island to island in the Caribbean, taking Indians as captives. But word spread ahead of them. By the time they got to Fort Navidad on Haiti, the Taino had risen up and killed all the sailors left behind on the last voyage, after they had roamed the island in gangs raping women and taking children and women as slaves. Columbus later wrote: "Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending all the slaves that can be sold." The Indians began fighting back, but were no match for the Spaniard conquerors, even though they greatly outnumbered them. In eight years, Columbus's men murdered more than 100,000 Indians on Haiti alone. Overall, dying as slaves in the mines, or directly murdered, or from diseases brought to the Caribbean by the Spaniards, over 3 million Indian people were murdered between 1494 and 1508.

What Columbus did to the Arawaks of the Bahamas and the Taino of the Caribbean, Cortez did to the Aztecs of Mexico, Pizarro to the Incas of Peru, and the English settlers of Virginia and Massachusetts to the Powhatans and the Pequots. Literally millions of native peoples were slaughtered. And the gold, slaves and other resources were used, in Europe, to spur the growth of the new money economy rising out of feudalism. Karl Marx would later call this "the primitive accumulation of capital." These were the violent beginnings of an intricate system of technology, business, politics and culture that would dominate the world for the next five centuries.

[-] 1 points by owsthentic (81) 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing this information which I and a lot of people do know about it. Honestly, I am no fan of Columbus at all, and I really don't care much about Thanksgiving, and I really dislike X'mas!! Since the public celebrate it anyway for whatever reasonm mainly becuase of gathering and food, it was a good move that OWS took this event to show appreciation to people's support. More or less it helps OWS visibility.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

All of this were the preconditions for the first Thanksgiving. In the North American English colonies, the pattern was set early, as Columbus had set it in the islands of the Bahamas. In 1585, before there was any permanent English settlement in Virginia, Richard Grenville landed there with seven ships. The Indians he met were hospitable, but when one of them stole a small silver cup, Grenville sacked and burned the whole Indian village.

The Jamestown colony was established in Virginia in 1607, inside the territory of an Indian confederacy, led by the chief, Powhatan. Powhatan watched the English settle on his people's land, but did not attack. And the English began starving. Some of them ran away and joined the Indians, where they would at least be fed. Indeed, throughout colonial times tens of thousands of indentured servants, prisoners and slaves -- from Wales and Scotland as well as from Africa -- ran away to live in Indian communities, intermarry, and raise their children there.

In the summer of 1610 the governor of Jamestown colony asked Powhatan to return the runaways, who were living fully among the Indians. Powhatan left the choice to those who ran away, and none wanted to go back. The governor of Jamestown then sent soldiers to take revenge. They descended on an Indian community, killed 15 or 16 Indians, burned the houses, cut down the corn growing around the village, took the female leader of the tribe and her children into boats, then ended up throwing the children overboard and shooting out their brains in the water. The female leader was later taken off the boat and stabbed to death.

By 1621, the atrocities committed by the English had grown, and word spread throughout the Indian villages. The Indians fought back, and killed 347 colonists. From then on it was total war. Not able to enslave the Indians the English aristocracy decided to exterminate them.

And then the Pilgrims arrived.

When the Pilgrims came to New England they too were coming not to vacant land but to territory inhabited by tribes of Indians. The story goes that the Pilgrims, who were Christians of the Puritan sect, were fleeing religious persecution in Europe. They had fled England and went to Holland, and from there sailed aboard the Mayflower, where they landed at Plymouth Rock in what is now Massachusetts.

Religious persecution or not, they immediately turned to their religion to rationalize their persecution of others. They appealed to the Bible, Psalms 2:8: "Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." To justify their use of force to take the land, they cited Romans 13:2: "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

The Puritans lived in uneasy truce with the Pequot Indians, who occupied what is now southern Connecticut and Rhode Island. But they wanted them out of the way; they wanted their land. And they seemed to want to establish their rule firmly over Connecticut settlers in that area.

In 1636 an armed expedition left Boston to attack the Narragansett Indians on Block Island. The English landed and killed some Indians, but the rest hid in the thick forests of the island and the English went from one deserted village to the next, destroying crops. Then they sailed back to the mainland and raided Pequot villages along the coast, destroying crops again.

The English went on setting fire to wigwams of the village. They burned village after village to the ground. As one of the leading theologians of his day, Dr. Cotton Mather put it: "It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day." And Cotton Mather, clutching his bible, spurred the English to slaughter more Indians in the name of Christianity.

Three hundred thousand Indians were murdered in New England over the next few years. It is important to note: The ordinary Englishmen did not want this war and often, very often, refused to fight. Some European intellectuals like Roger Williams spoke out against it. And some erstwhile colonists joined the Indians and even took up arms against the invaders from England. It was the Puritan elite who wanted the war, a war for land, for gold, for power. And, in the end, the Indian population of 10 million that was in North America when Columbus came was reduced to less than one million.

The way the different Indian peoples lived -- communally, consensually, making decisions through tribal councils, each tribe having different sexual/marriage relationships, where many different sexualities were practiced as the norm -- contrasted dramatically with the Puritan's Christian fundamentalist values. For the Puritans, men decided everything, whereas in the Iroquois federation of what is now New York state women chose the men who represented the clans at village and tribal councils; it was the women who were responsible for deciding on whether or not to go to war. The Christian idea of male dominance and female subordination was conspicuously absent in Iroquois society.

There were many other cultural differences: The Iroquois did not use harsh punishment on children. They did not insist on early weaning or early toilet training, but gradually allowed the child to learn to care for themselves. And, they did not believe in ownership of land; they utilized the land, lived on it. The idea of ownership was ridiculous, absurd. The European Christians, on the other hand, in the spirit of the emerging capitalism, wanted to own and control everything -- even children and other human beings. The pastor of the Pilgrim colony, John Robinson, thus advised his parishioners: "And surely there is in all children a stubbornness, and stoutness of mind arising from natural pride, which must, in the first place, be broken and beaten down; that so the foundation of their education being laid in humility and tractableness, other virtues may, in their time, be built thereon." That idea sunk in.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

One colonist said that the plague that had destroyed the Patuxet people -- a combination of slavery, murder by the colonists and disease -- was "the Wonderful Preparation of the Lord Jesus Christ by His Providence for His People's Abode in the Western World." The Pilgrims robbed Wampanoag graves for the food that had been buried with the dead for religious reasons. Whenever the Pilgrims realized they were being watched, they shot at the Wampanoags, and scalped them. Scalping had been unknown among Native Americans in New England prior to its introduction by the English, who began the practice by offering the heads of their enemies and later accepted scalps.

"What do you think of Western Civilization?" Mahatma Gandhi was asked in the 1940s. To which Gandhi replied: "Western Civilization? I think it would be a good idea." And so enters "Civilization," the civilization of Christian Europe, a "civilizing force" that couldn't have been more threatened by the beautiful anarchy of the Indians they encountered, and so slaughtered them.

These are the Puritans that the Indians "saved", and whom we celebrate in the holiday, Thanksgiving. Tisquantum, also known as Squanto, a member of the Patuxet Indian nation. Samoset, of the Wabonake Indian nation, which lived in Maine. They went to Puritan villages and, having learned to speak English, brought deer meat and beaver skins for the hungry, cold Pilgrims. Tisquantum stayed with them and helped them survive their first years in their New World. He taught them how to navigate the waters, fish and cultivate corn and other vegetables. He pointed out poisonous plants and showed how other plants could be used as medicines. He also negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and Massasoit, head chief of the Wampanoags, a treaty that gave the Pilgrims everything and the Indians nothing. And even that treaty was soon broken. All this is celebrated as the First Thanksgiving.

My own feeling? The Indians should have let the Pilgrims die. But they couldn't do that. Their humanity made them assist other human beings in need. And for that beautiful, human, loving connection they -- and those of us who are not Indian as well -- paid a terrible price: The genocide of the original inhabitants of Turtle Island, what is now America.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Let's look at one example of the Puritan values -- which were not, I repeat, the values of the English working class values that we "give thanks for" on this holiday. The example of the Maypole, and Mayday.

In 1517, 25 years after Columbus first landed in the Bahamas, the English working class staged a huge revolt. This was done through the guilds. King Henry VIII brought Lombard bankers from Italy and merchants from France in order to undercut wages, lengthen hours, and break the guilds. This alliance between international finance, national capital and military aristocracy was in the process of merging into the imperialist nation-state.

The young workers of London took their revenge upon the merchants. A secret rumor said the commonality -- the vision of communal society that would counter the rich, the merchants, the industrialists, the nobility and the landowners -- would arise on May Day. The King and Lords got frightened -- householders were armed, a curfew was declared. Two guys didn't hear about the curfew (they missed Dan Rather on t.v.). They were arrested. The shout went out to mobilize, and 700 workers stormed the jails, throwing bricks, hot water, stones. The prisoners were freed. A French capitalist's house was trashed.

Then came the repression: Cannons were fired into the city. Three hundred were imprisoned, soldiers patrolled the streets, and a proclamation was made that no women were allowed to meet together, and that all men should "keep their wives in their houses." The prisoners were brought through the streets tied in ropes. Some were children. Eleven sets of gallows were set up throughout the city. Many were hanged. The authorities showed no mercy, but exhibited extreme cruelty.

Thus the dreaded Thanatocracy, the regime of death, was inaugurated in answer to proletarian riot at the beginning of capitalism. The May Day riots were caused by expropriation (people having been uprooted from their lands they had used for centuries in common), and by exploitation (people had no jobs, as the monarchy imported capital). Working class women organizers and healers who posed an alternative to patriarchal capitalism -- were burned at the stake as witches. Enclosure, conquest, famine, war and plague ravaged the people who, in losing their commons, also lost a place to put their Maypole.

Suddenly, the Maypole became a symbol of rebellion. In 1550 Parliament ordered the destruction of Maypoles (just as, during the Vietnam war, the U.S.-backed junta in Saigon banned the making of all red cloth, as it was being sewn into the blue, yellow and red flags of the National Liberation Front).

In 1664, near the end of the Puritans' war against the Pequot Indians, the Puritans in England abolished May Day altogether. They had defeated the Indians, and they were attempting to defeat the growing proletarian insurgency at home as well.

Although translators of the Bible were burned, its last book, Revelation, became an anti-authoritarian manual useful to those who would turn the Puritan world upside down, such as the Family of Love, the Anabaptists, the Diggers, Levellers, Ranters, and Thomas Morton, the man who in 1626 went to Merry Mount in Quincy Mass, and with his Indian friends put up the first Maypole in America, in contempt of Puritan rule.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Let's look at one example of the Puritan values -- which were not, I repeat, the values of the English working class values that we "give thanks for" on this holiday. The example of the Maypole, and Mayday.

In 1517, 25 years after Columbus first landed in the Bahamas, the English working class staged a huge revolt. This was done through the guilds. King Henry VIII brought Lombard bankers from Italy and merchants from France in order to undercut wages, lengthen hours, and break the guilds. This alliance between international finance, national capital and military aristocracy was in the process of merging into the imperialist nation-state.

The young workers of London took their revenge upon the merchants. A secret rumor said the commonality -- the vision of communal society that would counter the rich, the merchants, the industrialists, the nobility and the landowners -- would arise on May Day. The King and Lords got frightened -- householders were armed, a curfew was declared. Two guys didn't hear about the curfew (they missed Dan Rather on t.v.). They were arrested. The shout went out to mobilize, and 700 workers stormed the jails, throwing bricks, hot water, stones. The prisoners were freed. A French capitalist's house was trashed.

Then came the repression: Cannons were fired into the city. Three hundred were imprisoned, soldiers patrolled the streets, and a proclamation was made that no women were allowed to meet together, and that all men should "keep their wives in their houses." The prisoners were brought through the streets tied in ropes. Some were children. Eleven sets of gallows were set up throughout the city. Many were hanged. The authorities showed no mercy, but exhibited extreme cruelty.

Thus the dreaded Thanatocracy, the regime of death, was inaugurated in answer to proletarian riot at the beginning of capitalism. The May Day riots were caused by expropriation (people having been uprooted from their lands they had used for centuries in common), and by exploitation (people had no jobs, as the monarchy imported capital). Working class women organizers and healers who posed an alternative to patriarchal capitalism -- were burned at the stake as witches. Enclosure, conquest, famine, war and plague ravaged the people who, in losing their commons, also lost a place to put their Maypole.

Suddenly, the Maypole became a symbol of rebellion. In 1550 Parliament ordered the destruction of Maypoles (just as, during the Vietnam war, the U.S.-backed junta in Saigon banned the making of all red cloth, as it was being sewn into the blue, yellow and red flags of the National Liberation Front).

In 1664, near the end of the Puritans' war against the Pequot Indians, the Puritans in England abolished May Day altogether. They had defeated the Indians, and they were attempting to defeat the growing proletarian insurgency at home as well.

Although translators of the Bible were burned, its last book, Revelation, became an anti-authoritarian manual useful to those who would turn the Puritan world upside down, such as the Family of Love, the Anabaptists, the Diggers, Levellers, Ranters, and Thomas Morton, the man who in 1626 went to Merry Mount in Quincy Mass, and with his Indian friends put up the first Maypole in America, in contempt of Puritan rule.

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[-] 1 points by JosephCouture (45) 2 years ago

"A beautiful display of solidarity" is not how these things are often portrayed in the mainstream media. Some of the more brutal commentators make it sound like the filthy peasants lucked out with a free steak and lobster dinner. "Why are they like this?" a friend remarked. "Well, that's what they are supposed to do," I told her.

Read the insights from one very cranky former mainstream journalist as he explains "The Truth About the LIes We Are Told" here at www.josephcouture.com

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[-] 13 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

The Spirit lives on!!

[-] 12 points by AkbarLightning (54) from Tillson, NY 2 years ago

this winter will be a gestational force, through which we will grow comfortable with the new sense of self many of us now have...we have a new voice thanks to the courage of OWS...and that voice will reach its full confidence in line with the coming of the spring...and when this spring comes we will all say goodbye to the authority, we will shed the need for legal patriarchs, and will blossom as one world, one people, and one united future...God bless you OWS, i am grateful for all you have done today...Happy Thanksgiving...

[-] 5 points by paulieman (5) from Hermosa Beach, CA 2 years ago

love this comment - yes, I've been dreaming about Spring and Occupy already... this will be something more that people ever expected ! ! !

[-] 10 points by zkgreen11111 (14) 2 years ago

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

It warms my heart that you brave Americans are fighting for our rights.

Please keep protesting because your efforts are truly appreciated!!!

Take care!!!

[-] 9 points by mikal2k (20) from New Rochelle, NY 2 years ago

So Steven Pinker, a psychology professor at Harvard has a new book out called “The Better Angels of Our Nature”. He claims that today humanity is less violent, less racist and less sexist, generally nicer than ever. I don't buy it, my own experiences over the years won't let me. But thanks to OWS I am more hopeful, I know we are better informed- and from what I read here better fed. You/we rock! All Love and blessings, Merry Thanksgiving

[-] 6 points by PeterKofod (6) 2 years ago

Pinker IS right - if you doubt it, read his book :-) But that actually goes quite well with what OWS is saying: our society doesn't NEED to be violent, unjust, racist, poor, sexist, bigotted, corrupt etc etc - all the things it IS - because as people, we increasingly aren't bastards (although some are). It's the system itself that's wrong. Best, Peter / Denmark http://www.twitter.com/PeterKofod

[-] 2 points by dingy58 (172) 2 years ago

I agree. Violence is reinforced by our culture. Look at the fight clubs and cop show garbage on cable showing gore and guts. It's disgusting. I've noticed that when a person is hooked into this type of entertainment, their compassion and empathy for others is lessened. I believe in free will and all that, but some things should be outright banned that poison our minds.

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[-] 2 points by Edgewaters (912) 2 years ago

I don't know, you'd pretty much have to completely close your eyes to the history of the last 100 years or so to think humanity is less violent, and totally ignore goings-on around the world right now. And you'd also have to buy in to a sensationalized version of history before that, because the reality of day-to-day life in the medieval or Classical world was just work and drudgery on a farm, not fancy battles with knights in shining armour.

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[-] 9 points by rutgers797 (37) from Wall, NJ 2 years ago

Happy Thanksgiving OWS!!! I love this!!!

[-] 8 points by dazai (8) 2 years ago

My family is away visiting relatives for the holiday but I stayed because I have to work. I was finally able to make it to a local Occupation (Occupy Dayton, OH) and they fed me Thanksgiving dinner! It was very pleasant talking and eating with them.

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[-] 8 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 2 years ago

I have so much to be thankful for. A great wife. 2 beautiful boys. A nice home. But I am most thankful for the Occupy movement and their courage to stand up and finally say enough is enough. You are all beautiful and fierce. Keep fighting brothers and sisters. A new earth is within our grasp. I love you all.

" When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

www.thrivemovement.com

[-] 8 points by dirtyoldhippy (9) 2 years ago

the occupy movement has changed my life and given me tangible hope for the future. this is what america is all about, this is what democracy looks like -- fuck bloomberg, the 1% of the 1%, in command of the security force paid to violently assault americans speaking out and assembling on behalf of peaceful change. occupy is just getting started. bravo to the peeps at zuccotti and beyond.

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[-] 7 points by julianzs (147) 2 years ago

If there were a paradise on Earth it'd be in the Liberty Square, where oneness is born and greed is defeated. OWS forever!

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[-] 7 points by NastaziaQ (7) 2 years ago

That was a moving description of today's accomplishment! Hope you all enjoyed the day. Keep on rocking it ows._

[-] 7 points by Courtney (111) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Thank you Occupy Wall Street.

[-] 7 points by Misenka141957 (61) 2 years ago

Right on...never stop!

[-] 7 points by jaktober (286) from Sonoma, CA 2 years ago

Awesome!! The RP crew in Iowa just did a similar effort:

http://urbandale.patch.com/articles/paul-campaign-collects-400-pounds-of-food-for-iowa-food-bank

Together we can make it better!

[-] 7 points by rosswa (10) 2 years ago

your intelligence and care..powerfull stuff...!!....onya occupy from down under. (Australia)..I check to see how you are going at least ten times a day..!!! you are changing the world...keep up your amazing work...wow ..what courage..its all been said before but i will keep on saying it...!!!!

[-] 6 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

sharing food is loving communion. food is god! how good and how pleasant it is for brethren and sistren to dwell together in love and unity. how beautiful this COMMUNITY! but, and this is NOT paranoia and this is NOT a conspiracy THEORY, the fascists are plotting against us, behind closed doors, beyond democratic control, the HATED POLICE are training in brutality to harm our precious bodies and to perpetuate fear with stop and frisk on our streets, in our local communities. LET'S GET THESE AOs OFF OUR BACKS!

[-] 4 points by icfmike (173) 2 years ago

you're right it's not paranoia because there are a lot of haters out there, ows will prevail no matter what...

[-] 2 points by sufinaga (513) 2 years ago

we will prevail because we are an eternal community of the heart. our communion is pure joy. it is a mistake to believe in the stability of the world. we will see this fascist babylon fall down!

[-] 6 points by zygarch (83) 2 years ago

Happy Thanksgiving occupiers. The world is lucky to have you! Gaia knows there sure isn't anyone else looking out for the 99%.

[-] 6 points by shooz (17966) 2 years ago

Thanks OWS!!!!!!

Keep the spirit alive.

[-] 6 points by orlandodejesus (11) 2 years ago

That's what it's all about, and that's why I'm proud to be a supporter of OWS. Happy Thanksgiving to all OWS supporters, and also to the 1%, because without you, there wouldn't be us. Power to the 99% of the people.

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[-] 6 points by icfmike (173) 2 years ago

please it's not against capitalism (it's corruption)

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[-] 6 points by DeniseinBuffalo (6) from Buffalo, NY 2 years ago

I would like to thank each and everyone of you, I can not participate physically in NYC, but am trying to participate more in Buffalo. The breaking of bread among Occupy shows perseverance and community. It takes a village to raise a child, it takes Occupy to raise our country to a place where EVERYONE can live comfortably and healthy.. THANK YOU

[-] 6 points by profmarcus (6) 2 years ago

on this thanksgiving day 2011, i am extremely grateful for the persistence, wisdom and courage of the occupy protestors standing in solidarity with each other across the country and our brothers and sisters in egypt, bahrain, and many other countries around the globe...

it's vital that this amazing and critical movement continue to grow and evolve so that we can take back the power we ceded to our super-rich elites so many years ago...

we are all in this boat together and it is our common good that we believe in, not the perverted social darwinism that's been shoved down our throats by those whose only concern in the continued amassing of money and power...

the awakening has begun and we must not allow it to be silenced...

http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

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[-] 5 points by AnarchyAnonymous (6) 2 years ago

Love you guys. love and gratitude. stay strong. stay safe. ..and never surrender. ~ Creggery Peckery

[-] 5 points by mikeh9 (18) 2 years ago

The people united will never be defeated.

[-] 5 points by jyothisbabu (5) 2 years ago

Hi, I am from India. Very very happy to hear from you. You are brave. Wish you all success! I am sure that you WILL be able to distroy the current corrupted, exploitory capitalist system and replace it with a better one.

[-] 5 points by amhoyle (5) 2 years ago

Well done. A thing of beauty.

[-] 5 points by ows999 (19) 2 years ago

Occupy movement does Thanksgiving nationwide

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57331047/occupy-movement-does-thanksgiving-nationwide/

SAN FRANCISCO - Most Americans spent Thanksgiving snug inside homes with families and football. Others used the national holiday to give thanks alongside strangers at outdoor Occupy encampments, serving turkey or donating their time in solidarity with the anti-Wall Street movement that has gripped a nation consumed by economic despair

[-] 5 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"The OWS kitchen cooked enough warm meals for 4000 people and handed them out at Liberty Square."

This reminds me of "AGAPE", the famous "LOVE FEASTS" of the "people of the Way" - the very first disciples of Yeshua (Jesus).

I GIVE THANKS FOR YOU, OWS!!! We are all so proud of you and so grateful for all that you have done.

[-] 5 points by Skyeskye1 (49) 2 years ago

God bless all of you and happy Thanksgiving! Thank you for all you do!

[-] 4 points by icfmike (173) 2 years ago

I'm overjoyed with all the positive comments. I feel the same, thanks ows

[-] 4 points by RobertUeberfeldt (44) from Kaikohe, Northland 2 years ago

Alright occupation over, everyone get back home (those that have one), turn the TV back on (if you have one) and stop all this. Stop it I say, Friends is waiting for you, Fox Nonews wants your ratings and it's getting cold out there.

NO WAY!

You'll manage winter, cold and challenges will be overcome. Mankind can trek to the North Pole, so a cold winter in New York is manageable. Take tips from the homeless. Dodge the slings and arrows, run, regroup and resist. Stay warm, stay strong and Spring will be around the corner.

[-] 4 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

If I had a nickel for every time a politician lied, I'd be rich enough to buy America and give it back to the people. Happy Thanksgiving!

[-] 4 points by BimMon (3) 2 years ago

Yeah! The people united.....

[-] 4 points by VERUM (108) 2 years ago

We are ALL Human Beings... the only thing we have to be thankful for is our own perseverance!

Not a single one of us would be where we are today without the determination of those that proceeded us!

The Pilgrims came to this country to escape the tyranny of Briton, and were eventually successful in Declaring Independence in 1776 from the same. (See the Declaration of Independence)

OWS is not unlike many of our early pioneers... we are simply seeking a voice for the FREEDOM of the people of the United States over the influence of Corporate and State!

We seek freedom from economic oppression... freedom from corporate influence over our Government... and freedom from lobbyist!

Hence... "WE THE PEOPLE !

[-] 4 points by anlenoticiasrd (5) 2 years ago

Saludos desde Santo Domingo, República Dominicana. Nos unimos a la resistencia cívica que llevan a cambo contra el estado injusto, las desigualdades y la discriminación. Animamos a la comunidad latina y en especial la dominicana para que se integre al movimiento social que procura cambios politicos y sociales en Estados Unidos y el mundo. Somos de la Agencia de Noticias en Línea Espacio Insular http://espacinsular.org/ Contacto espacinsular @espacinsular.org o anlenoticiasrd@gmail.com

[-] 3 points by tsdevi (307) 2 years ago

A friend of mine was kind enough to share this with me. I do not know where this excerpt is from, but it goes to show that not much has changed in the U.S.

"Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." — Harry S. Truman

[-] 3 points by nycsicpoet (5) 2 years ago

Thanks Brothers and Sisters. One more beautiful thing done at Liberty I missed because it's always easier to do nothing than something. How some (aside from the usual assorted trolls) can throw stones at you actually in the plaza from behind bushes in their own neck of the woods is funny stuff to behold. If the lame attacks I see are any indication of the integrity of your detractors, all you have to do is stay as truthful, transparent, and self-reflective to the max to make their heads explode. But you know this...

[-] 3 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Too bad OWS could have joined the rest of the anti-imperialists and stood behind native people instead of celebrating a day of genocude.

"Occupy Oakland Protesters to Join with American Indian protestors on Black Friday Native News Network Staff in Native Challenges. Discussion »

Educate & Pay Respects EMERYVILLE, CALIFORNIA - American Indians in the San Francisco Bay Area announce the 10th Anniversary of Annual Black Friday Protests Against Bay Street Mall, scheduled for this Friday, November 25.

Members of Occupy Oakland/Decolonize Oakland will join the protest this year. In a unanimous vote last evening, the General Assembly endorsed the Black Friday protest, acknowledging the centuries of genocide that have taken place against the Native inhabitants of this land; the United States has, in fact, been 'occupied' for over 500 years. It is only through the recognition of the rights of Indigenous peoples to have their sacred places accessible and intact that the historical injustices can begin to be addressed.

Beginning at 12 noon, protestors will gather at the Bay Street Mall to contest the continued desecration of sacred sites. This shopping center opened in 2000, amid massive controversy.

It was erected atop one of the last remaining shellmounds - the traditional burial sites of the Ohlone people who are the original inhabitants of the Bay Area. With blatant disregard for the desires of the local Native community, developers and the City of Emeryville plowed ahead with construction of the mall and Indigenous peoples have since expressed their outrage annually on this busiest of shopping days."

[-] 3 points by papaniabe (9) from Manila, NCR 2 years ago

Congratulations to all. Everyone showed great courage and contribution in creating awareness of what really happening around us. Please continue with creative ideas in dealing with this issues. I will continue to pray for my fellow Filipinos so they can practice these type of movement. I hope they too can realize the same corporate greed we experience everyday here in Manila, Philippines. Allan, "a struggling father in Manila"

[-] 3 points by papaniabe (9) from Manila, NCR 2 years ago

Congratulations to all! I wish Filipinos can do the same. We have done this before with two leaders, hopefully we can realize that the impact of corporate greed is widely practice here. Allan, Manila Philippines

[-] 3 points by mcinolywa (11) from Olympia, WA 2 years ago

Ain't no party like a "99er" party!

[-] 3 points by holdingcompany (5) 2 years ago

Well done!

[-] 3 points by philosofur (12) 2 years ago

Let us not forget my friends that we live in a land where a few greedy people w a monopoly of "the Press" were responsble(w/in the safety of their mansions) for the entire desimation of the previous 99% occupants. We must not re-peat history. No deals can be made w/ these people.Greed runs them, love must run U.S.

[-] 3 points by hawktheelfowl (2) from Moorestown, NJ 2 years ago

"And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement. And that's what it is, the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement..."

Keep up the good work and Happy Thanksgiving all!

[-] 3 points by RogerT (36) 2 years ago

Well, at least Bloomberg was smart enuf not to attack the people today. He had his Kristallnacht and his book burning moment-- what's next-- to round us up and have the NYPD put us in camps. Calling Con Ed !

[-] 2 points by occupierx (3) from Houston, TX 2 years ago

Considering our efforts and the cause, this is disturbing, http://wp.me/p1k4Vz-1c .

(Headline) HYPOCRITICAL Occupy Wall Street Whites Enjoy Murderous Thanksgiving Feasts While “Protesting” Financial Greed & Corruption

Could we have been and should we be more sensitive in the future?

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

I spent every night for a month and a half doanting, doing security, giving about 8 hours a day after work, for what? Happy Genocide day! Hurray for the Pilgrims.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

So I guess we can now expect OWS to celebrate Judeo Christian Christmas as well. Alienatiing Muslims, indigenous people, pagans, atheists, Buddhists and many others in an effort to say "look we are normal Americans". I am out!!

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

It is time for people of color to OCCUPY OCCUPY Wall Street. Too many amateurs

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Occupy Wall Street throws party to give thanks for the murder of 100,000,000 Indians. Why? Why? Why? This movement takes part in Imperialist constructs of dominant society. Who needs that boring shite?

[-] 2 points by Samcitt (136) 2 years ago

That looks delicious, aren't you the most compassionate and thoughtful people around?

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

This day just showed me that Occupy Wall Street is for certain people to demand justice and not others. There is no mention of specific words spoken by any indigenous person yesterday at OWS, not on your internal communiques or in the press. It showed me that you are not about challenging oppression. It showed me in most of the repsonses? That many of you think that Indian people don't exist anymore or have any current grievances. The responses being "that was then this is now, move on" are genocidal in nature. It is like saying "you are a bascially extinct, ok? Now deal with it". This movement has to be about more than your narrow knowledge of the world. This country is on the verge of a civil war. THat war will be between One percenter whites and 20 percenter whites who want more power from the others. That is the deal. YOu should change your call to arms "WE ARE THE 20%, Screw the other 80".

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

So there is confusion about first Thanksgiving. In 1621 there were records that Squanto, one indian whose entire tribe had died from Smallpox, shared a meal with the pilgrims. In 1914 Jeanie Branscome latched onto this with a painting that protrayed a bunch of Indians at a meal with the pilgrims. THe problem is that this is historical revisionism. The first Thanks giving was a declared holiday in 1637 and then 1676 to mark the victories over the Pequot and other Native people who were fighting back. It marked as the language of the proclamation went their triumph over "heathen savages" This was the first declared "Thanksgiving". The Squanto thing was propped up later to reinvent the day as a day we can use as a reference point for saying "The Pilgrims were welcomed to this land". One indian showing someone how to grow corn whose entire family has been killed, who has just returned from England on a boat after being taken there against his will, who is scared to death of his travel companions does not constitute "WELCOME TAKE EVERYTHING YOU SEE".

[-] 2 points by hpatte (2) 2 years ago

The Occupy movement is starting to adopt an anti-corruption platform that will garner much more respect. An Occupy member's page http://owwc.gu.ma , supporting a business owner who lost millions of dollars to a corrupt officials seems to illustrate this.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

I see no menntion of any indigenous people in any press account of anything you did for Thankstaking. You say there were indigenous leaders who spoke? Who, where, when, representing who. Just don't see it; THe story is OWS supports racism of Thanksgiving.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Thanks for helping out the shelters.
I am sure the folks that do this work every day appreciated it!

It would be nice to see this continue beyond the holidays.
Most food pantries struggle from March through September after the holiday supplies run out. Unfortunately people are not thinking of charities in the spring and summer..

[-] 2 points by deadpoet (2) 2 years ago

Thanksgiving is a beautiful celebration--despite history. If history was the case, we probably will not have anything to celebrate since most of our history is distorted to serve the interests of the dominant class, whichever it was at the time. What we have in thanksgiving is something we should do every day: be thankful for all the things we have, for those we take for granted (been able to breathe, to think, to walk, to speak--which as a hospital worker I know we can lose in seconds). What we celebrate in thanksgiving is not history, or the massacre of indigenous populations, or anything to do with the past. We celebrate the blessing we have today and the opportunity we have of helping others, in any way we can.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Absolutley false, if Germans celebrated a holiday to give thanks for Hitler? Would you accept the excuse, "Well that is how it started out but it is not abou that anymore? ????? White people will say anything to keep their privilege. This is a great example.

[-] 2 points by OldFolkie (5) from Bayonne, NJ 2 years ago

To clear up an apparent inconsistency in the story: in my experience, musical instrument cases CONTAINING ACTUAL INSTRUMENTS (other than drums) have been allowed into the park. I've seen at least one person turned away because his guitar case was being used as a backpack. I'm sure there are exceptions to this. But music is a form of free speech. I'm glad that there was music in the park on Thanksgiving. And thanks to food donors, and to the Kitchen folks for preparing the food. Best Thanksgiving dinner I've had in quite a while.

[-] 2 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

i've been waiting for people to wake up since the mid 70's. i'm so happy for all that you're doing. i'm not alone anymore!

[-] 2 points by ForeclosureFightClub (3) 2 years ago

I'd like to share this story I received from a friend. Despite a stay order being ordered by a Federal Judge - the heinous foreclosure mill Harmon Law from Newton, MA attempted to illegally auction off a family's home the day before Thanksgiving.

Under threat of a Federal lawsuit the Harmon goons got back in their black cars and went away.

Sometimes the good guys win and it really is a Wonderful Life...

http://www.foreclosurehamlet.org/profiles/blogs/a-happy-thanksgiving-story-for-the-grady-family

[-] 2 points by dca2012 (20) 2 years ago

Love u Occupiers!!! U guys are amazing.

[-] 2 points by Yurii (2) 2 years ago

Greetings from Ukraine friends. I congratulate you on the day of Thanksgiving. I wish you more strength and courage, love, and faith!

[-] 2 points by nerdgirl5000 (2) 2 years ago

This is SO awesome! While I didn't come down to Liberty Square yesterday, I felt like I was there with you guys in spirit. Everything about this movement has been done in such a smart & selfless way--it's just inspiring!! I'm thankful for this movement. They might physically try and dispossess people, but they can't stop an idea!

[-] 2 points by patsymessier (2) 2 years ago

Happy Thanksgiving...OWS. (one day late) Thank you for everything you have accomplished so far. After reading the comments below, I only have one thought. We can not change the past, but, boy, we sure can change today and the future!! Keep up the good work. Love from Maine.

[-] 2 points by bohratom (22) 2 years ago

Good to see more helping out each thanksgiving. Ive been working with my church the last 12 years and we serve 2500 meals every thanksgiving (along with around 400 meals every day).

[-] 2 points by TexasThunder (68) 2 years ago

I find our elected officials incompetent to govern. They need some incentive that will mean something to them instead of putting funds at risk that will cause harm to those persons and institutions who can least afford such loss. I suggest that these officials’ pay and/or benefits be cut if and/or when they fail to do their job. As it is, party “a” threatens to harm parties “”d” through “z” if parties “b” and “c” can’t come to an agreement. It makes no sense whatsoever to threaten Congress with cuts that will not have any impact on them directly. Our Constitution establishes the type of government we are to have. We do not need to establish any “sub” groups within these institutions. They are all responsible collectively to govern and if/when they fail to do so they are all liable collectively. The “carrot and stick” method only works when the carrot or stick is guaranteed to the same one. These officials have received their carrot upon being elected as they shall receive full pay and full benefits for the rest of their life even if they only serve one term. I say put all options “on the table” including their lifetime pay and benefits. I’m of the position that such a “stick” would cause these officials to get their head out of the clouds and their feet on the ground.

[-] 2 points by dingy58 (172) 2 years ago

So proud of all of you! Did any of this hit the main stream media?

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[-] 2 points by dreyk (2) 2 years ago

Here are LA's finest reminding occupiers of their impending eviction at 3pm on Thanksgiving. At 2:40 you can see a man being taken away by police for absolutely no reason. They hadn't asked him or anyone around him to move. He was simply standing a few feet away calmly recording them. http://youtu.be/qdQvCcoW3ZI

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

"AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL

MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION P.O. Box 13521 Minneapolis MN 55414 612/ 721-3914 . fax 612/ 721-7826 Email: aimggc@worldnet.att.net Web Address: www.aimovement.org


November 23, 2005

ORIGINS OF THANKSGIVING The year was 1637.....700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe, gathered for their "Annual Green Corn Dance" in the area that is now known as Groton, Conn.

While they were gathered in this place of meeting, they were surrounded and attacked by mercernaries of the English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from the building and as they came forth, they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the building.

The next day, the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared : "A day of Thanksgiving, thanking God that they had eliminated over 700 men, women and children.

For the next 100 years, every "Thanksgiving Day" ordained by a Governor or President was to honor that victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.

Newell based his research on studies of Holland Documents and the 13 volume Colonial Documentary History, both thick sets of letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the king in England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years in the mid-1600s.

"My research is authentic because it is documentary," Newell said. "You can't get anything more accurate than that because it is first hand. It is not hearsay."

Newell said the next 100 Thanksgivings commemorated the killing of the Indians at what is now Groton, Connecticut [home of a nuclear submarine base] rather than a celebration with them. He said the image of Indians and Pilgrims sitting around a large table to celebrate Thanksgiving Day was "fictitious" although Indians did share food with the first settlers.


Source: Documents of Holland, 13 Volume Colonial Documentary. History, letters and reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the King in England and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, Britsh Indian agent for the New York colony for 30 years. Researched by William B. Newell (Penobscot Tribe) Former Chairman of the University of Connecticut Anthropology Department.

In the wording of that declaration? "The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive dispensations in and by the present War with the Heathen Natives of this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern that in the midst of his judgments he hath remembered mercy"

That Occupy Wall Street NYC does not see how your messaging failed to recognize Native People's oppression hurts. Sorry. I know you are going to come back with every excuse under the book. The truth is other Occupy sites came out and condemned the racist history of "Thanksgiving" you did not. I can't believe you mentioned the other sites as you bragged about celebrating THANKSTAKING. "‎"In 1675 “King Phillip” called upon all natives to unite to defend their homelands from the English. For the next year the bloody conflict went on non-stop, until Metacomet was captured, murdered, quartered, his hands were cut off and sent to Boston, his head was impaled on a pike in the town square of Plymouth for the next 25 years, and his nine-year-old son was shipped to the Caribbean to be a slave for the rest of his life."

It is unbelievable that you could fail to mention the racism of this holiday.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

OWS supports genocidal holiday. That is the headline.

[-] 2 points by papaniabe (9) from Manila, NCR 2 years ago

Congratulations to all! I wish Filipinos can do the same. We have done this before with two leaders, hopefully we can realize that the impact of corporate greed is widely practice here. Allan, Manila Philippines

[-] 2 points by amen88 (173) 2 years ago

it is commendable to stand against tyranny and injustice, it is even more so to do it in the name of love for your fellow brethren. my heart goes out to all of you out there in liberty park this day of thanksgiving.

[-] 2 points by philosofur (12) 2 years ago

akbarlightning- you have alot to learn or need to let your "peak" wear off. This spring isn't going to be smelling flowers, free from the corruption that has lasted for over 2000yrs. Gather more a picture in your mind of our last "Civil War"Actually maybe do some research on "the way the west was won". We(the OWS I guess we are calling it, I prefer to be considered a part of the 99%ers).Look akbar at what their first few moves were-ah right they want US 2b friends right,-then they make some unfair deals cause we are afraid they may just take more if we dont give in and we are tempted by our own greed.NO GIVING IN THIS TIME AKBAR. NO FEAR EITHER, WE ARE 99 to their 1, they must give in. First we need to unite the police military nat. guard all of them are part of US,the 99% (1 reason I like the name, less seperation). Without the support of the majority "OWS",or "The 99%ers" (even with "US" running the vote process), stand no chance. We need to find some average (uncorrupted) non-materialistic/environmentalist (w logic) to be our candidates(I am free,work free too:-) and put them in office to be run by US the 99%ers(as OUR puppets instead of theirs. See, "that" is a part of the battlefield, one of the most important to have say in(Government positions that is). "Only by being in their corrupted seats can we clean them."

[-] 2 points by SeaChange (134) 2 years ago

This is a beautiful thing!

[-] 2 points by AuditElmerFudd (259) 2 years ago

Has OWS considered renting out the park from the owner? If they did that, there would be no call or cause for the police to interfere.

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[-] 2 points by AtTheHop (1) 2 years ago

made for you guys: http://vimeo.com/32615422

[-] 1 points by loveaction (1) 2 years ago

such a beautiful movement, love in action. Some people commenting below need to stop being the VICTIMS and start being the change :-)

[-] 1 points by annaadore (1) from Baltimore, MD 2 years ago

It's not that I don't support what you all are up to but I have to admit how angry it makes me to see so many people dumping winter clothes donations, food, supplies to occupiers. I think it is safe to say that 99% of occupiers are not homeless and if they need a winter coat they could probably just take the bus a couple blocks back home to get some more clothes or grab their toothbrush. There are more people out there that literally have nothing... It's sad that this effort to help out those in need isn't shown all the time. occupy brags they fed 4000 people for thanksgiving.. 4000 people that probably could afford to get their own dinner. Imagine if that 4000 was all families at House of Ruth or homeless shelters all over the country. I'm just saying... think about who REALLY needs it..

[-] 1 points by OneidaLakeCampgrounds (1) 2 years ago

I am proud of everyone who occupies, and for showing government injustice ,Police doing the Governments unwarranted Bidding. Even is people don't support OCCUPY, they should support the FREEDOMS you are granted, to protest and express yourselves, For a time will come when they too will need to utilize them, and if these freedoms are removed for you, they are removed for all. It took months for Government to Evict all Tenting Occupiers. Why? Because laws are ment to be broken by government or worked around. Sad days ahead, as we see our government take freedoms away, yet honer those that gave it to us, jefferson, etc... Yet not respect the present history creation, AROUND THE WORLD!!!! UNITED WE STAND, alone we are stood upon.

Our Country not the Governments, EVERYWHERE.. UNITED For we are all People watching the same Movies, music, all around the world.

[-] 1 points by cleasby (9) 2 years ago

Zuccotti Park has become a police state. When asked about the library a police captain said, "I don't know (where it went)". Further questioning as to why the area where the library was roped off with red police tape the captain said, "The protester's destroyed property and we are protecting the property." was his response. The plants are more important to the police than the protester's property and a true public library, not to mention the right to assemble and protest. Keep up the presence and we can cost the NYC police millions of dollars from their illegal occupation of Zuccotti Park. Tell them, "Shame on you!!" They hide behind their badges that have sold out to corporate interests while creating a new Tiananmen Square where any mention of what happened there is answered with, “I don’t know”.

[-] 1 points by MiMi1026 (937) from Springfield, VA 2 years ago

Thank you #OWS!

[-] 1 points by FtP44 (0) 2 years ago

bless u all! keep it up!!!!! we will prevail!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by poltergist22 (159) 2 years ago

This is a beautiful thing :-)

[-] 1 points by mchase (0) 2 years ago

The rise up long overdue. Amazing. I'm so proud of each and everyone of you out there on the streets and in the parks. I see you out there standing up for our rights and it heals me that you are there to acknowledge my outrage. This is also a great website to get the up-to-the-moment reporting. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by cyberzyme (3) 2 years ago

Just like to say for those of you trying to make the Occupy movement into something it is not...STOP! It's not about thanks giving, history, Native Americans, or awareness of anything else. It's about awareness of monetary bias in an ever failing economic system abused and misused by the 1% over the 99%. It should also be, although no one has said to my knowledge, a movement to Unite the world and do away with the current economic system and bring in a totally different system. Revamping the old system which has proven to be non-viable would only delay the inevitable. Money is not the solution it is the cause (the well spring) from which 99% of all problems stem from. Do away with money and you do away with the problems. I suggest a resource based economic system where everyone is entitled to equal share of a resource guided by scientific principles. You can't get any fairer then that, science fact.

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

Native people mourning Thankstaking in Pymouth Cirtique the use of the word Occupy for our movement. The word Occupy is an Imperialist word choice by people who are members of an occupation to occupy territiory that is already occuopied. THey gave shout outs to Occupy cities that stoood in solidairty with indigenous people. They still made a statement of solidarity to OWS but not for their response to Thankstaking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNHpQ50AhM

[-] 1 points by clieder (1) 2 years ago

I, too, am grateful for what you are doing - as well as for this original research on the horrific first "thanksgiving day". In a world where so many people are still hungry or starving, I have been increasingly repulsed and scandalized by the over-eating that is the primary hallmark of this day. Hence I loved it that you, yourselves, cooked and gave away thousands of meals to the hungry in NYC. Regardless (but not heedless) of the historical origins of this day, what must the people of the world think of such a celebration of excess, while they starve? Real thanks giving would be to share our bounty and create community - like you did. Thank you for that example and inspiration.

[-] 1 points by SAFWPG (1) 2 years ago

The point here is COMMUNITY, whether you call it thanksgiving, Id, Divali or just a party. Everyone here is "distracted" by warring over things you cannot change- the past. We all fall short, and if you think you'll be perfect and you will never fall- including this movement, you are arrogant and unsympathetic of human weakness. We are all oppressed and oppressors. Rather than waiting around for a special occasion or movement (though ts not bad either) , practice living consciously in the moment everyday - choosing forgiveness instead of retaliation, including verbal / ideological retalliation. Arguments dont change the world - relationships do. Don't talk about or for the poor - LIVE AMONG them, walk with them, don't seek to distance yourselves from poverty. Its not poverty that makes a man poor, its his attitude (learning this personally) RESIST oppression by forgiveness. Don't just love the ones that everyone loves. Stand up be different, love the hard ones, love the broken, love the junkies, love the prostitutes - serve the least ... then your world will change. Stop talking about them - walk with them. Honour ppl whatever race, religion, ethnic background, sexual identity /orientation but hold your ground, until you feel it reasonable to change positions. EXERCISE democracy by not merely "tolerating" dissent but by respecting ppl when they disagree with you - LEARN TO LIVE IN COMMUNITY . THIS IS HOW YOU RESIST. And some of us do this silently when no one is watching/ filming us or when we are not getting news coverage for it. We have given our lives and our personal ambitions for this- not a few months or years but the very way we live , without resenting those who don't wanna join us.

[-] 1 points by TheGrownUp (-1) 2 years ago

You are all idoits! Take a bath and go home, what your doing is a folly and hopeless, we are Capitolists and we are a Republic, not your little communist party or whatever your entitlement thinking is! GO HOME!

[-] 1 points by TheGrownUp (-1) 2 years ago

You are all idoits! Take a bath and go home, what your doing is a folly and hopeless, we are Capitolists and we are a Republic, not your little communist party or whatever your entitlement thinking is! GO HOME!

[-] 1 points by lewolf (1) 2 years ago

From London: keep insisting! You're inspiring us all. Don't let the bully tactics wear you down If you don't stand up today, you don't know how much worse the situation will get tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by usernameah (36) 2 years ago

Did they offer any vegan options?

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[-] 1 points by NYCRulez (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

AGAIN.....I saw a lot of Shoppers out there today, I saw some protesters too, about 1% of them, are you sure YOU are the 99%? I somehow think not, you kinda stink on ice and so does your mathematical skills, perhaps this is why you all do not have jobs LOL Please stop deleting my post, this is America and this is my right to FREE speech. Is it your practice to stifle one's right to an opinion? MIC CHECK: You are Losing Steam.

[-] 1 points by realself (9) 2 years ago

Truly horrible. I would like to apologize on behalf of all European settlers, their descendants, and all contemporary North Americans for this unbelievable brutality. I don't think people celebrate this ghastly history today; for me it's a day to remember to give thanks for what I, we, have, whatever that may be, from the smallest details to the broadest textures of our lives. We are blessed today to have a decent standard of living and relative liberty; however we must not forget that our present conditions are built on a foundation of genocide and slavery. I think our politics must be continually informed by the need to address the status of Native Americans and African Americans today. I don't know how there could ever be just reparation at this stage, but the promise of opportunity could be made real for all; this least me must accomplish.
I wish you peace and strength.

[-] 1 points by foxla (39) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

Thanksgiving should always be about honoring the indigenous, and sharing with others in need. That is what is all about. Then the less commercialization of Thanksgiving the better, and the more about sharing the better. I luv it.

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[-] 1 points by ABE72 (4) 2 years ago

what about ending the fed and going back to a gold standard and requiring public employees like police and government be accountable to the people that elected them and if they dont do they're job they should be removed they are public employees which means we pay them and they work for us just like cities and states are public properties and we shouldnt be removed or hurt if we protest on public properties we pay for! and finally when the people vote for something no government branch (once again public employees) shall be able to undermine or send to a supreme court to be overturned 7 judges cant make decisions for us on things that have already been voted on nor any publicly elected officials should have any right to vetoe the peoples rights or votes.no amendments shall be made to our constitution or bill of rights without vote by all Americans. get us out of NAFTA and the U.N. immediately and all infringements of our rights stop here now.we should not have to petition or gain a permit to address our grievances to protest is instrumental to a healthy country. one more is not allowing anybody in our government to start a war at all without our vote the peoples vote!

[-] 1 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

sounds like some tea party crap. But I agree with getting out of NAFTA

[-] 1 points by Bambi (359) 2 years ago

I understand there weren't all that many occupiers at the park...more of the homeless and those who wanted a free meal. Were they able to give all of the food away to Churches, shelters, etc?

[-] 1 points by YoungPhilosopher89 (19) 2 years ago

Hi im darren check out my blog http://youngphilosopher89.wordpress.com its left wing reflecting my anarcho-syndicalist views

[-] 1 points by littlebiggygirl (26) from Hesperia, CA 2 years ago

OWS needs to do more than serve meals. It needs leaders and a seat at the table where policies are formed. Support is waning #OWS, it time.

http://littlebiggy.org/4660547

[-] 1 points by OccupyAccuality (1) 2 years ago

"Before beginning the night's General Assembly, individuals gave powerful stories and speeches affirming our right to come together in public space......"

Zuccotti Park is a PRIVATE park. It is not OWS's park any more than my next door neighbor's yard is my yard.

[-] 1 points by joekermann (1) 2 years ago

I'm grateful for the OWS movement and what it's accomplished but I'm concerned about fewer and fewer actions taking place. It seems to be losing steam all over. There should be constant marches and protests. It seems the eviction really dealt a devastating blow to the movement. November 17th was a great day, but a good demonstration done just once in a while won't do much in changing the system.

[-] 1 points by RomCath (24) 2 years ago

Fons vivus, ignis, caritas...

[-] 1 points by dmorgan2 (2) 2 years ago

The 99% need to wake up. The movement will fail unless you create some structure.

The idea of unbridled peace on earth and community and share and share-alike may be a great ideal; it may even be the right ideal, but it is a hippie ideal, and much of America does not consist of hippies nor share that ideal.

You are losing momentum, it is seen everyday that the weather gets colder and nothing in the system changes. The politicians have the advantage because they can just wait you out. And they will--but the longer you wait, the more your ranks will just be filled with the unemployed and homeless (whether they became as such out of circumstance or foolishness), and the credibility of your group will just lose ground.

The world has seen what you can do. We live in a democracy; use it. You have enough built-in voters and publicity that you could select a political/legislative representative. Then you will be taken seriously, then your demands (by the way, some concrete demands would help your cause) will be heard and you will have the power to do something about it. Then, perhaps, we could actually see an end to the awful two-party system that has dominated America for so long.

If you don't organize now, you won't survive the winter. You have the power--you have this blog and its followers. Send the protesters home, and now show Bloomberg and the gang who has 'real' power--power in the ballot.

Until that day, beating drums, holding signs, and smoking pot will just make you look like fools and will get no one any closer to paradise.

[-] 2 points by Ogitchidaag (160) 2 years ago

To ponder that OWS is celebrating a holiday that marked victory over "Heathen Savages" is just insane. all the talk at GAs about privilege? There can be no bigger violation of human rights than for a group of people celebrating this holiday while Indigenous people are a minority now in their own land.. How sad. How sad that other Occupy sites could get theier act together with native people and condemn Thanksgiving but NYC celebrates it.

[-] 1 points by circlingheart (25) 2 years ago

We should give thanks always and every day. We should denounce this corporate holiday, because it corrupts the true meaning of thankfulness. We should look to our indigenous Brothers and Sisters for guidance on this day. How should we treat this day? Maybe it should become a day of mourning, and a day of apology. A day of reconciliation.

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[-] 1 points by shainzona (23) 2 years ago

Thank you - to Occupiers all over the world. With love, especially to Occupy Tucson!

[-] 1 points by sunwu18 (5) 2 years ago

I would have loved to have been there, though I was with my family. I'm very glad that things went well for occupiers everywhere. I look forward to getting back to NY to continue protesting for our people all across the land!

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 2 years ago

Is the media covering the cooked meals for the 4000 people ?

[-] 1 points by zygarch (83) 2 years ago

NY1 (NYC local non-stop TV news) ran about 30 seconds on OWS at the END of a 5 minute segment on a number of homeless shelters, missions, and churches offering Thanksgiving day meals to the homeless, families, and others.

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[-] 1 points by VERUM (108) 2 years ago

Cool!

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[-] 0 points by SupremeOccupyLeader (17) 2 years ago

How'd that "Occupy Macy's Day Parade" work out for ya?

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[-] 0 points by ShitForBrains (0) 2 years ago

How is this "Stop the Shop" thing working out today? Not so effective, I see.

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[-] 0 points by philosofur (12) 2 years ago

I've been waiting years for all of you w the strength to rise up.The reasons I understand,and have solutions for.It is the Street Name I believe is wrong, Pennysyvania Ave. is our only pathway to Wall Street.This unified movement, throughout history, is the most positive & important to mankind as a "hole" and Earth's destiny combined.Our ability to connect & communicate to all other 99%ers, empowers our UNIFIED NEEDS.To find a way 4 U.S. to work. To better "Every Single One"of all people, instead of the select few (who are in 99% control of our daily lives habits). This is our last stand. Only together can we do this.Alot have I seen about creating jobs and education,these are very important. Let us not forget tho our mother earth needs us NOW and without her warmth and kindness all of the other issues remain meaningless(if we get pulled into violence also all may be lost- a double sided sword we face).

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[-] 0 points by Lighthouse1 (0) 2 years ago

ForgeZuccotti Park - How about the great lawn in Central Park as a site?

[-] 1 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

How about both?

How about Mainstreet USA or even Everystreet USA, in every town, city, and burb? ;^>)

[-] -1 points by Codi6934 (-1) 2 years ago

LOSERS ,Take a bath and get a job. Who do you think is paying for your "OCCUPATION"? You want this crap for free, SOMEONE had to pay for it!! Make your change at the ballot box not by being a MOB in the street!

[-] 2 points by amanofnoimportance (82) from Orlando, FL 2 years ago

What you can't seem to understand is that we have been doing just that for years and the person we elect always fails us in some way, or takes too long to enact positive change for the good of the world.

We are tired of this model. We are tired of being confined to this model in search of solutions. This nation needs a new heart, not another bypass surgery.

[-] -1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

What words can I say, exept that instead of hundreds there should be thousands of brave, commited occuiers, at liberty square. We need to bring the middle aged, reluctant upholders of the staus-quo into this movement - The professors, the professionals, the pillars of society, who once had the courage of their convictions.. If they fail in supporting this movement, let them burn in hell!

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 2 years ago

I agree but this movement needs to have a more detailed list of demands and it has to appeal to many different people. The "powers that be" have manipulated every facet of our society. There is an endless supply of curruption by our government in every sector of our economy. In order to gain momentum and numbers we need to divide this country into different subgroups and determine what government abuses will strike a cord with each group. For example, having worked in the financial industry for over 10 years, the curruption in the financial industry is of major importance to me. While my sister at home with 4 kids would find it hard to understand the complicated terms surrounding the 2008 subprime crisis even though the crisis has greatly impacted her way of life. However, having been diagnosed with breast cancer, she would be attracted to the abuses by government, health care, etc that put profits before an individuals personal health. It is all about having an organized plan to market this movement to different groups in our society. Once individuals find topics that specifically relate to them, they will start to become aware of the other, bigger issues at the top of the ponzi scheme. Personally, I think the ability to connect this country through social media will far exceed any movement in the streets. That being said, the movement in the streets is extremely critical.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

There is a lot of wisdom in what you say here, but my overriding concern has to do with those who are still reasonably comfortable; those middel-aged people who are overwealmed by trying to hold together civilization come to face the fact that at some point, under current conditions, they are simply in a loosing battle, and that they must find CONCRETE means of aiding those on the streets. In the final analysis, ideas must be converted to actions, and actions of courage by those who agree with this movement, but who are unable for various reasons to put their bodie on the line.. I have proposed a period of education, followed by a day of debt repudiation, of burning credit cards and mortages, in protest of the unethical leding practices of de-regulated banks. It is both symbolic action and conrete; it is unifying, and it would be a powerful tool in the hands of those who passinately want to help this cause, but simply cannot see a way to do so. If those community leaders remain apathetic, out of the understandable feeling of already being overburdened, then our opponents have won, because creating that siutuation has been a large component of their attack upon us all.

[-] 1 points by zkgreen11111 (14) 2 years ago

Great idea!!!

It just needs to be put into ACTION!!!

[-] -2 points by howsthatworkingforya (0) 2 years ago

Why don't you occupy a desk!!

[-] 0 points by Turtle (268) 2 years ago

I'm doing that right now!!

Are you psychic?

I mean, it's almost like you knew in advance -exactly- what i was going to do!!

Wow!!

Maybe I should run out right now and buy a lottery ticket?

[+] -5 points by Sharpie933 (20) 2 years ago

Okay, let me get this straight. You support Indigenous people and decry the results of them having their land taken over by outsiders. Then you complain that the NYPD won't let you take over someone else's land and make a domicile there. You know what comes before Colonization? Occupation! Anyone see the irony there? No? Okay, I'm sorry, please go back to complaining about colonialism while occupying other people's lands and trying to force your political views on native inhabitants. Educate a few savages.

[-] 4 points by Jonas541 (72) 2 years ago

You cannot even let them have one good day can you?

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[-] 0 points by Sharpie933 (20) 2 years ago

Sorry, I just hate hypocrisy. Even on Thanksgiving.

[-] 1 points by amen88 (173) 2 years ago

lol, did you just refer to the native wall st. inhabitants as savages?

[-] 0 points by Sharpie933 (20) 2 years ago

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