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Anonymous joins #OCCUPYWALLSTREET

Posted 3 years ago on Aug. 24, 2011, 10:44 a.m. EST by LupeFiascoConcert

Source: Adbusters

Hey jammers, dreamers, patriots,

Anonymous has just released a video communique endorsing #OCCUPYWALLSTREET. Using language from our first Tactical Briefing, the video calls on protestors to adopt the nonviolent Tahrir-acampadas model. On the 17th of September, it says, "flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months … Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices."

See also signs of support for S17 on Anonymous's Twitter and websites.

Meanwhile S17 is surging ahead internationally. Simultaneous occupations of financial districts are now being planned in New York City, Madrid, Milan, London, Paris and San Francisco. With a bit of luck, this list of participating cities will grow.

If we can pull together just the right mix of nonviolence, tenacity and strategic smarts, S17 could be the beginning of the global revolution we've all been dreaming about for so long … wouldn't that be lovely.

for the wild,
Culture Jammers HQ
occupywallstreet.org

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[-] 1 points by anonymous (48) 3 years ago

anonymous is nothing but one big epic failure. Fox news never went down. Don't ever believe anything from them again. They lie.

[-] 1 points by AnonymousOccupySolutions (37) 3 years ago

This message is to all of anonymous AND occupiers: Anonymous Central AND OccupyBend News supports the direction of a Resource Based World Economy:

http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/12599163860/occupy-solutions-uniting-humans

http://www.occupybend.org/news.php?73

Make this viral!

Anonymous Occupy Solutions - Uniting Humans

[-] 1 points by Lmurguia7 (57) 3 years ago

NOVEMBER 5 - Close bank accounts (transfer to credit union) -- and do not use credit cards as banks benefit.

[-] 1 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 3 years ago

Anonymous is a NEW WORLD ORDER mind control program to herd the disaffected and disenchanted youth into a VIOLENT, DESTRUCTIVE, REACTIONARY revolution. And those who study history know that all violent, destructive, reactionary revolutions ultimately feed the goals of the New World Order agenda.

Anonymous claims "We do not forgive." Forgiveness, my friends, along with a deeply complex spiritual understanding of duality, is the path to the future. (See: Truth & Reconciliation Commission following the fall of Apartheid in South Africa) We ALL move forward to the future.

Anonymous Hackers' actions have been 100% destructive. Their message is to blame, tear down and destroy. Anonymous is the tool of the NEW WORLD ORDER infiltrators.

Beware.

[-] 1 points by 36of534 (15) 3 years ago

We are the Wall Street Protestors. Existence, as you know it, is over. We will add your Fiscal and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile."

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Hey I am with you all the way. Please take my $500,000.00 business debt too - fair enough??

No resistance from me.

[-] 1 points by iam53 (4) 3 years ago

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.”Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share? They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20,”declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,” but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”

“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

[-] 1 points by whs (2) 3 years ago

I'm glad someone understands economics, these protesters can hate rich people, but what they don't understand is how essential wealthy people are to the economy. The "1%" pays for 20% of their fire department and their public schooling among other things, while the entire bottom 50% combined pays for about 2% of this. I bet they wouldn't hate rich people as much if they were physically given the money directly from the wealthy, which is basically what happens. The benefit of America is also that anyone can become rich with enough hard work, and studying. I support social movements, but I wish people knew more facts for what they are arguing about before just blaming the rich.

[-] 1 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 3 years ago

Work hard, get rich, economic collapse, lose it all, and then become hopelessly indebted as a nation for the foreseeable future.

Oh thank you Banksters and those brilliant minds who understand economics so much better than the rest of us. Why have I failed to see the brilliance of your generosity sooner?

I guess it's time I get off my lazy ass, study harder and work even harder!! Perhaps a 60-hour work week will solve my lethargy ... and possibly cover my inflationary expenses.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Maybe you just gave us a list of the reasons. Why do you ask the question.

If i pictured you wrongly, please forgive me.

60- hour work week would have sounded pretty good when I was in college paying my own way. It even would sound good today while I am working to support all the entitlements of the people around me. Some of us just can' win can we.

Did the banksters really take it away from you OR did you just put it into a foolish place in your get rich endeavors.

We didn't become hopelessly indebted as a nation for the foreseeable future because of the recent economic collapse. We were well on our way to that point long before - the economic collapse and added burdens of entitlements just cleared our path to head there. Our leaders have no solutions other than more money and more debt. It isn't exactly the foreseeable future any more - try unforeseeable and see what that means to your hard work, get rich, lose it all scenario.

[-] 1 points by CommanderX (3) 3 years ago

Communique From Anonymous - USA Day Of Vengence

Wednesday - September 21, 2011

On September 17, 2011 approximately 15,000 peaceful demonstrators in dozens of cities around the USA gathered, marched - and occupied public space to protest the unjust policies of the US government and the corruption in our financial institutions. The central protest site was in the financial district of New York City, where peaceful protesters faced phalanxes of heavily armed paramilitary police officers from local and federal jurisdictions. The arrests began almost immediately, many for violating the 1845 so called "mask" laws.

Later that day, and according to plan - many of these protests ended with a peaceful occupation of public space. Again, the central occupation occurred in NYC. More arrests continued to take place. All of this was expected, it is part of progressive activism. Anonymous was content to challenge these stupid "mask" laws in court. Not only is the Guy Fawlkes mask covered under freedom expression as a symbol of our movement, but we believe that everyone has a right to protest anonymously using bandanas, masks - etc.

But then on Tuesday - September 20, 2011 everything changed in a flash of police instigated violence. As rain began to fall on the NYC encampment, heavily armed police moved in; Removing tarps used to cover media equipment, arresting independent journalists, confiscating media equipment - and using excessive force against and arresting innocent peaceful protesters, several of whom were abused and injured.

http://youtu.be/dyvbI6Eq-qA

This year, we heard President Barack Obama and Secretary Hillary Clinton say over and over in country after country from the Balkans through the mid-east to Africa that the right to peacefully protest and occupy public space is a right that MUST be respected in every instance. And they are correct, and this also applies to the USA. In fact, even more so. In the USA of all countries in the world, the police should have been deployed to PROTECT the protesters - not a giant brass bull that is the ultimate symbol of greed and corruption in America. And yet we were treated to the grotesque picture of dozens of armored police surrounding this brass bull, while thousands more police were deployed solely to harass, arrest - and abuse peaceful protesters.

http://bit.ly/qdvYAj

Anonymous & the other cyber liberation groups around the world together with all the freedom loving people in the USA will NOT stand for this. We will peacefully yet forcefully resist the abuses of the NYC Police Department. And so Anonymous announces a nationwide "Day Of Vengence" to take place in dozens of cities across the USA on Saturday - September 24, 2011 at High Noon.

Poster - http://t.co/BSuXCdRR

Video - http://youtu.be/2svRa-VSaOU

In coordination with these protests across the USA on September 24th, Anonymous and other cyber liberation groups will launch a series of cyber attacks against various targets including Wall Street, Corrupt Banking Institutions - and the NYC Police Department. We encourage the media to follow the Twitter feed @PLF2012 for ongoing reports throughout the day.

We Are Anonymous - We Are Everywhere - We Are Legion - We Never Forget - We Never Forgive

EXPECT US -- Anonymous

Press Release - http://pastebin.com/VVD4PMFf

[-] 1 points by KjKing (1) from Algaida, PM 3 years ago

A na drzewach zamiast liści będą wisieć finansiści ! ! ! Po 3 latach po upadkach na WALLSTREET ANI JEDEN finansista nie poniósł JAKIEJKOLWIEK konsekwencji !!! Czy to jest UCZCIWE ? ?

[-] 1 points by CommanderX (3) 3 years ago

You trolls are funny. Do you honestly think we give a shit about your "lost income" or inconvenience? Replace it with what ? Chaos, that's what. A world with no governments where every individual actually has to take responsibility for their own security, actually has to figure out themselves how dispose of their own garbage - and omg actually has to educate their own children. We are not trying to fix your stupid world you silly little rats, we are trying to destroy it utterly. 50% of America is obese, fact. And I am willing to bet that 100% of the whiners and capitalist suck ups who are clinging to their dying world view are fat, ugly weak losers who will perish in the coming conflict. It's we, the street people - the forest people, the disenfranchised survivors and anarchists who will inherit this planet. The rest of you fat fucks will die screaming about your 401ks and looking desperately for that one last McDonalds. And our precious planet will breath a sigh of relief from having you gone. You make me laugh. Remember Bastille day mother fuckers, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS !

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

You are one scary dude and your vile language proves how tough you are.

I grew up in a rural area of the mid-west. Those farmers could swear pretty good to.

Can you fix a plow by swearing at it ? They could. Can you bend a 1 1/2 inch metal bar by swearing at it? They could. Can you castrate an anarchist by swearing at him? They could.

And fortunate for all of us, some of that true farmer blood still flows in our veins. And NOTICE , I haven't even started to swear yet, lightweight.
ld.

[-] 1 points by Rathmullan (2) 3 years ago

Occupy It? Shut it down! That's the only message the greedy pigs can understand!

[-] 1 points by AS786 (7) from Carneys Point, NJ 3 years ago

I AGREE Rathmullan!!!

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Do you consider all of the messengers, cleaning people, window washers, pizza delivery guys, mailmen, fedex and UPS guys, clerks, secretarys etc. to be greedy pigs as well? We are just trying to do an honest days work. If you shut it down will you replace my lost income and help me feed my kids?

[-] 1 points by TheObserver (37) 3 years ago

That's right, don't forget about the Bankers employees. They have bills, too.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Yeah, of course. And you know that these are good upstanding citizens, without a selfish or greedy bone in their body. They would never mislead you, take away your job (probably don't want one anyway), advocate "chaos" and them take control themselves (these are just a bunch of boy scouts out to help you across their street,onto the train for a scenic trip, off the train, into the showers, a free haircut and selective dental work and a warm (VERY WARM) place to sleep.

What more could you ask for as long as they treat your ashes with respect. Yeah - don't expect that either.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Anonymous is in no way affiliated with this protest action, period. Whatis-theplan.org is not recognized within the community as anonymous, period. Please make sure your website reflects this, as I'm sure this misunderstanding is attracting the current attacks from actual anonymous.

[-] 1 points by CommanderX (3) 3 years ago

You are wrong. There is no Anonymous "community". There is NO recognition that can be bestowed. There is NO "actual" Anonymous. Anonymous is an idea; Anonymous is a movement based upon three simple principles:

1) Do not attack the media. (This includes main stream, independent, and social media)

2) Do not attack critical infrastructure. (Such as communications networks, power grids - or hospitals)

3) Work for Justice and Freedom. (Especially with regards to freedom of information and the internet)

ANYONE anywhere can initiate an Anonymous operation, action, or group - and so long as they adhere to these basic principles they are as much Anonymous as anyone. EVERYONE is Anonymous. This is NOT a democracy, and even if your statement DID reflect somehow the opinion of a large number of Anons it would still be incorrect.

That said, I too am an Anon of some standing in the movement and I personally love WhatIsThePlan. They certainly are Anonymous as they strictly adhere to the basic principles and because they say they are. PERIOD.

[-] 1 points by jart (1145) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Could you please provide more details and sources? I don't consider myself a member of anonymous so I'm not an expert on its culture, but from what I understand it's a decentralized, leaderless group (like the ALF) The nature of such organizations is that anyone can claim to be a member and attribute their actions to the group. This makes me hesitant to believe someone claiming the authority to speak for what is/isn't anonymous.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

jart - you awake. CommanderX has just spoken and you better jump to.

He says "You are wrong", believe me, YOU ARE WRONG. Remember, if a group is successful (the leader raises his fist in triumph. If it fails, you don't see any leaders anywhere. (Any idea where Hitler went) He raised his fist to many people) but they didn't have a leader come forth when it was all over did they??

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

period.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

We all are looking for social justice around us and looking to dismantel the order that is around us. True change must start wuth us. Social order that changed through anarchism or revolution only paves the road for the exicting power structure to prevail and infact uleashes us against each other. The root problem lies in the abscence of true connection between us the people weather it is in our immidiate families (parents/children), immidiate neighbours, at the job, business partners, communities, national and international. The change need to start with the desire to attain the value for all human beings to live in dignity and have respectable living condition and livlihood. It is required that we all come together around round tables and respectfully start listening to everyone. All charesterstics in us have a purpose the issue is how we use it. We need to apply all these to come together at least we need to desire it above all our diferences. The 'Black Swan' is a classical example if disconnection and egotism charachteristc to the human nature. And exeplifies the phenomen of our society today. No one can blame each other. The idea here is for to realize that the change must start within us. We must realize that we are all connected together even now in this twisted situation. And therefor all we need ist to disire mutual guarantee for everyone to have the minimum required to live in dignity and harmony. Start the process through talking about it among all on TV, Newspapers, Radio, Internet, Social Networks and in schools, and Universities. It's a new world order now that we are all connected and depending on each other and yet the level of internal seperation through our own egotistic minds and desires scares us to death from each other. Through the idea of Mutual Guarantee and it's not like in the bank. It works like in a Family. We must start thinking about each other like one big Family. Where we have small helpless babies and old folks that need more assitance. Where one uncle is poor and one is successful. One sister is a single mom and a brother that has AID's or a sick parent. We are all in need for something in this life and mostly wee need LOVE. Even the wealthies banker seeks love from society through his accumulated wealth. If we cahnge the value through which we apprecite our selves and love our selves for each other's sake, all will start shifting even the ecology around us. Let's start thinking as WE and not as ME about each other. WE should start sitting around tables and invite every one for discussion. Bankers, economists, college professors, students, regular citizens, workers, union leaders, clebrities and all. We will find out how megical these encounters are. But everyone has the right to express themselves and we must think Mutual Guarantee for all human beings. That is the only condition for a New World order that is emerging now and we must address it!!!!!! Great initiatve for us all. We are startnig to respond. Let's Keep our minds cool and our hearts worm and open for everyone, even if we disagree. At least we all care to think about each other that is more important. Don't be swayed by call for revolution becuase it doesn't address the real issue that we must change and we need to change together and not one power structure that will emerge after another. True power lies in the change that we feel for each other. MUTUAL GUARANTEE. WE not ME. WIN/WIN. EL

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

I was just about to give you a HEAR HEAR until you called me just a "regular citizen" among all those elites you mentioned. You sure know how to put a person in his place.

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

What we need to do is remove these people from power. All of them. Every last one. If you think that you can allow these leeches to remain in their positions and get truth and accountability out of them, you're wrong. And aside from that, the whole damn system has to go or nothing more than token change will be had for the world, and we're past the time when that's any longer acceptable. The world's inhabitants - human and otherwise - are suffering immensely, and the planet is being destroyed - all at the hands of the current governmental/corporate money structure. It all needs to fall. All of it.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

and replaced by............

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

We need to hold power accountable at all time, As an Anarchist I believe that all Authority is unjustified by natural assumption, and that it is the responsibility of institutions whom wield power to justify themselves, and if the cant then they should be dismantled. Wall street is another example of unjustified authority and I think it is obvious that the capitalist system which Wall Street represents has failed to justify its authority therefore it must be dismantled. Power in essence in achieved by denying one person's rights in favour of increasing another person's rights. Take the Strauss Kahn or Pal Ceglia case. In the Strauss Kahn case as soon as there was a flaw in the evidence presented by the non-powerful victim , the judge through the case out in favour of a man of power, Take a look at the Paul Ceglia case ! A man with legitimate claims backed up by solid evidence, But because he is taking on a power machine like Facebook he has being personally discredited by the media and power which has resulted in his evidence being discredited in the public eye, even thou he has more evidence to back his claims than Facebook does. It is time to dismantle the institutions of injustice and put the power into the hands of the working people !

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

And are you sitting as the judge, jury of both in these cases.

As an Anarchist sure. But "justify themselves to WHOM" You just give these big generalities and assume we all know, or we assume it means to you. As that great philosopher once said, 'EVERYTHING THAT IS, IS", and I am still struggling to figure that one out now I gotta deal with you.

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

posing the question: why not surround the fed? as is mentioned in this clip- http://dprogram.net/?p=84105

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Nothing can't be done if WE raise our voice as one ! (M.J.)

AnonFfm - THE GAME HAS CHANGED

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Then all we have is 7B people shouting at each other.

MMMMMMMMMMMM You think you can out shout, WHOM???

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

f*ck them all!

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Anonymous strong! Fight tot hte end! Hello from Russia!

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

new movie for all anons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZWUpvtCFo - with full love and respect - an idea can't be destroyed - we're legion...

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Hey a fellow believer with a direct quote from the Bible itself.

I think that was the first place that "we're legion" was quoted. Way to go anon 1. Thanks for sharing that word of wisdom

However - be careful when you look up what that quote refers to. You may be surprised if you don't already know.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

S17, good luck with your fight. justice is not just a planet. From the J14 movment in Israel.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

All the cities in Spain will participate!

from: 15Mrussafa.org

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

I wish that I had the resources to fly over there and participate. This could quite possibly change our world forever. I want to go but I am STUCK finding a job (failing at that) and broke (just graduated college). I'm on the west coast. If anybody is planning on going and wouldn't mind a companion along the way...please let me know. Temporary email: willkommenaufdermaschine@yahoo.com (no I'm not German, I'm in San Diego).

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 3 years ago

SD? If you can get to the Bay (yes, I know, other side of the state) you might be able to take part in the occupy the Bay parallel protest.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

I love love love your initiative. All the best & heaps of fun from Germany

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Banks have Hijacked Society. They've created a completely subservient political structure. It's up to us to take society back. See Article Below

'Black Swan' Author Taleb: Banks Have Hijacked Society Tuesday, 23 Aug 2011 08:45 AM

By Julie Crawshaw More ways to share...

“The Black Swan” author and economist Nassim Taleb says that repeated bailouts have made it possible for banks to hijack society.

"The bad news is not another recession, it's not figuring what got us here and continuing to make the same mistakes," Taleb tells the BBC.

Taleb says there's a tumor in the center of the financial system that has not been removed, one he calls "an agency problem." This happens when people make money they receive bonuses, but when they lose money, taxpayers and future generations pay the price.

Nassim Taleb (Getty Images photo) "The core of the problem is that asymmetry in payoff socializing losses and privatizing gain and the generator of that inequity is still there, worse than ever."

(Banks) got us here, and they’re reaping the benefits,” says Taleb. “As an industry, they have not suffered” and the Federal Reserve is “doing everything it can to finance these bonuses.”

“I’m outraged. Banks should be something other than machines that generate themselves bonuses. Today, banks are vastly more centralized than they were before the crisis … much more powerful than they were before (and) they have an incredibly sneaky lobby in Washington.”

Morgan Stanley Asia non-executive chairman Stephen Roach says debt forgiveness by banks should be a part of economic rebalancing.

"If you come up with ways to forgive the excesses of mortgage, installment and revolving credit as was done in the 1930s, that will help consumers get through the pain of balance deleveraging sooner rather than later," Roach tells CNBC.

Read more: 'Black Swan' Author Taleb: Banks Have Hijacked Society Important: Can you afford to Retire? Shocking Poll Results

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[-] -1 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

This is really sad, lots of whining and complaining.

Why don't you offer some alternative solution instead of old, tired bromides about global revolution.

The capitalist model has created the greatest wealth, education and culture the world has ever seen.

What are you offering???

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Anything but what we have now.

[-] 1 points by TheObserver (37) 3 years ago

"Change" for the sake of "change" is not always a good thing.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

There is a smorgasbord of examples and choices out in our great world, all the way up to the space station. Pick one that suites you but don't insist on changing my choice to fit your desires. You want socialism-go where socialism is. You want a good dictator-pick one. You want a pure democracy, it exists here in America in some places, you want a representative democracy-we got that too as do a lot of other countries,

I just can't follow your reasoning that you seem to be so land bound that you have no freedoms to choose and that you are so "hell-bent" on "anything but what we have now" that you say I have to change to meet your desires. If this is your better way - count me out my friend.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 3 years ago

Tell me how much wealth it has created in Africa? Where is the success of capitalism in countries that weren't already wealthy? Hell, where is the success of capitalism in South America? Argentina was as wealthy as France and Britain in 1901.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Maybe the key word regarding Argentina is "WAS"

Can you tell me what changed. I thought of Argentina as a pretty great place with cattle on a thousand hills, oil in abundance etc etc.

Do you mean to tell me that capitalism took over that country and took away their status as wealthy equal to France and Britain. Those people should kick capitalism out and get someone in there with common sense. Shoot, I bet Castro has someone that he could send down there to get things going the right direction. They can use Cuba as their example.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

The US has sent billions of US$ to africa to help them fight aids and alleviate suffering (on the order of 5+ billion a year). South America is run by dictators who "nationalize" ie STEAL private companies willy nilly, so capitalism hasnt a chance.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 3 years ago

Chavez is actually an exception in South America and Africa is only barely recovering from a century of imperialism in places, if at all. Most of South America was firmly on the west's side during the cold war. The Chilean dictatorship was a capitalist one, run by the precepts of the holy church of the invisible hand. It crashed so hard it only recovered back to where it was after Pinochet had stepped down.

We sabotaged Africa. We destroyed an entire continent so capitalism could have a dumping place for surplus production.

[-] -1 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

If capitalism is so evil, why now that Castro is older is Cuba moving towards capitalism? Becuase they figured out somebody has to pay for all that "free" medical care. Why are France and Italy throwing out their unsustainable models, Because their is no free lunch. Sorry, but capitalism rewards hard work and innovation, while socialism fosters laziness and dependency on a big brother who wants to tell you how to live.

[-] 1 points by TheObserver (37) 3 years ago

Communism works... in theory. However, there has yet to be this grand "utopia" as promised. Communism in the USSR killed 23-30 million people, Mao se Tung killed 78 million people. Communism isn't the answer, there must be a better way.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

Thank you for your concern.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

And thank you for being unable to string a meaningful response together. The single fact that Castro's younger brother realizes that a consumer driven, capitalistic society may reverse decades of poverty totally invalidates this entire process. I find it ironic that Jart keeps referring to his "comrades" while everyday cubans can't wait to throw off the reigns of communism. Priceless.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 3 years ago

"The capitalist model has created the greatest wealth, education and culture the world has ever seen."

If this is true (for all people), then you have nothing to worry about.