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Forum Post: You must vote for Obama in 2012 , because he is the only logical choice,

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 20, 2011, 4:10 p.m. EST by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ
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Vote for Obama in 2012 why? it should be obvious to any righteous American why he or she should vote for Obama in 2012 , And i want to get your opinion on why you would or would not vote for him , Also any theories about why Obama would want to sabotage his own campaign and bring about his own presidential demise , This is part of a theory that was brought to my attention by a former Obama supporter and i am not going to divulge his identity unless he says so because i do not want more of these idiotic insults meant for me to tip over , so i am not a fkng troll i am only a man who is assisting the OWS movement like everyone else is at least supposed to be , and with all the spy and real what you call troll action on this site , i am still quite certain that real people will find other real people to come to a real solution ,

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[-] 5 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"You MUST vote for Obama in 2012". Oh really? Where do you come from, North Korea?

We're not by any chance an Obama TROLL, are we??? LMAO

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Obama is a fraud!!!

Wall Street's takeover of the Obama administration is now complete. "The mega-banks and their corporate allies control every economic policy position of consequence. Mr. Obama has moved rapidly since the November debacle to install business people where it counts most. Mr.William Daley from JP Morgan Chase as White House Chief of Staff. Mr. Gene Sperling from the Goldman Sachs payroll to be director of the National Economic Council. Eileen Rominger from Goldman Sachs named director of the SEC's Investment Management division. Even the National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon, was executive vice president for law and policy at the disgraced Fannie Mae after serving as a corporate lobbyist with O'Melveny & Roberts. The keystone of the business friendly team was put in place on Friday. General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Immelt will serve as chair of the president's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/barack-obama-out-of-the-c_b_813027.html

He's bombed more countries than Bush. Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan... etc

He extended the Bush tax cuts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html

He never actually closed guantanamo bay.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/guantanamo-bay-how-the-white-house-lost-the-fight-to-close-it/2011/04/14/AFtxR5XE_story.html

He lied about ending the wars in Iraq and the current withdrawal was scheduled by the Bush administration. And there is a billion dollar military base in Iraq and I guarantee you that it aint empty.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUTYL8HfCGo

He supported the bailouts of banking institutions that are extracting wealth from our country and stealing people's pensions and homes. The bailout money was used by the federal reserve to create 7.7 trillion dollars out of thin air, and Obama has yet to do anything about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXPINPwp4w

He also supported the patriot act, which essentially deletes the 4th amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXmQYHV-1I

He's started unconstitutional acts of war against Libya, which he spoke out against when Bush did that to Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVo7-gOkqo

Obama signed for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial into law under provisions of the NDAA and "designates the world as the battlefield and that includes the homeland." -quote senator Lindsey Graham who supported the bill and argued in it's favor.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/14/us-refusal-veto-detainee-bill-historic-tragedy-rights

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/

"The killing of al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Pakistan and the threats posed by al Qaeda cells in Yemen and Africa underscore the evolving and continuing nature of the terrorist threat to the United States. The Conference Report ensures the United States will have the ability to meet this threat and neutralize terrorists from these groups and conduct effective interrogations."

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=23d194d7-78c9-4c57-b2d9-31bc3bb7daeb

List of terrorist organizations our country could start war with and the countries they're in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

"This [the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011] designates the WORLD as the battlefield... and that includes the homeland."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFygkHgi34

Next stop Africa and Yemen!!! Maybe Iran or Syria next? Fulfill that cold war with some Operation Northwoods and go to war with Russia? Who knows? It's the government. It's a threat to national security to tell you the truth all the time.Maybe China a few years from now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/obama-heads-to-asia-with-sharp-focus-on-chinas-growing-power/2011/11/10/gIQAOsQkBN_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/obama-us-to-send-250-marines-to-australia-in-2012/2011/11/16/gIQAO4AQQN_blog.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

Yet more evidence that Obama is a fraud. “We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.” -Cass R Sunstein, Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration.

Oh and don't forget about this Hour long presentation in congress about Al Qaeda members being the Libyan rebels, as well as extremists, rapists, and murderers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G0pUEU603Q&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=42&feature=plpp_video

In case any of you don't like the first video because it's a republican here is super Liberal Dennis Kucinich railing against Al Qaeda in the rebels as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUnluGSOdM&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=43&feature=plpp_video

And here is an article on the Libyan rebel leader admitting to having a bunch of Al Qaeda members in his "rebellion" which is actually just terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

And please don't try and accuse me of being in favor of Newt Gingrich or tell me some bullshit about McCain Palin. My criticism for Obama is simply based around facts and in no way means I support a GOP agenda. Obama is a fraud and so is Newt Gingrich.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

fuk newt ,

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Did you see what Newt said recently?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

ahahaha that's hilarious.

[-] 1 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 2 years ago

Yea lesser of two evil approach - no logic involved here. He has 180'd on many things, patriot act, weed out corruption, etc. Under his wall street plant administration - that buried us in more debt, real unemployment number is 22% (underemployment included) It is so much better than it ever was....Obama is a front man for a handler, of global power elites/bankers period. Bush was not as bad, but was same for Halliburton.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"Change you can believe in" : yeah, right! Change for the worse...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ T : Please consider and cogitate that though your nose for a Troll is still as sharp as ever, I really think that the diametric opposite of your supposition actually prevails here !!!

He's a Troll but NOT for Obama !!

alius et idem !

[-] 1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

as i light my next bowl i am contemplating the political future of OWS and Obama and Ron Paul ,

[-] 1 points by FreedomIsFree (340) 2 years ago

. . .and?

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[-] -1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"Please consider and cogitate"... I love that... and the latin too! Not too many of us can follow in latin in this dark day and age... :o)

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

T : With respect, what's important is the point and the subject matter NOT the language !

"alius et idem" = 'something else but still the same' and was supposed to be a reference to 'Troll ; pro or anti Warbama ; but still Troll' !!

The best wishes of the season to you and yours ;-)

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

But I DID get your point ...! And I still remember enough latin to translate "alius et idem". I must disagree with you, however, on the question of language. As the French say, "Le style, c'est l'homme"... And a brilliant idea can easily be obscured by poor command of the language.

My best wishes to you and yours as well... :)

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Vraiment et désolé ! I apologise without reservation if I offended you ;-)

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Mais non, mais non... you didn't offend me in the least. You are much too classy for that! I hope to run into you again on this forum... You are WAAAAY more fun than the trolls.

Speaking of trolls.... did you get the chance to read the little satire I posted on this forum a while back:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-trolls-think-trollosophy-exposed/

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Yes, I did and laughed at the some of the frightening 'Orwellian Newspeak' contemporary truths. "Many a truth in jest" eh ?!

My favourite was "Jesus was a no-good bleeding-heart LIBERAL ! Crucify the hippie !" and I'm going to be putting that on my Xmas cards, which I've yet to do ... Yikes !!

I'd better 'exdigitate' (geddit?) and get on with that task ...

Stay well and aware, "Ti" ;-)

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

You are going to put THAT on your Christmas cards? OMG! I hope your friends have a good sense of humor...

I used to send some pretty wild Xmas cards myself, like the one with the Three Wise Men, one of whom asks the others : "What are you guys doing after we drop off the gifts?"

And then there was the one with the sheperd who, blinded by the light of the star over Bethlehem, yells out: "Christ!"

MERRY CHRISTMAS! :-)

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Et Joyeux Noël et bonne année à vous ;-)

[-] -2 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

you prick did you just call me a racist what is your problem did you get a low GPA on your bullshit political science class or what is mommy and daddy going to dock your college coke and alcohol money , stop whining and get a real argument because the one you have now is a weak unfounded ball of shit,

[-] -2 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

lick the boots of victory Obamas boots baby ,

[-] 1 points by nickhowdy (1104) 2 years ago

What do you get if he wins?

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i am not quite sure but i know it would be better than the alternative ,

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Well I guess that answers my question.... boot-licking Nazi TROLL.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

shine them shine them until they look like mirror,s all right i am on a mission Feingold is trying to convert me not really convert me more like he gave me a political zen riddle , and you all need to earn your keep and help me solve it if you want to have more in depth and important forum,s that i can post , and the riddle is , why would Obama sabotage his own presidency re election chances and also his potential political demise , and who would make him do that and what interest does it really serve, and is it possible that there is an actual behind the scene,s battle for control of the white house between African American,s and whites, that is spiraling out of control , if you ever want me to give you more tripped out forum,s to work with i want you and whoever else you talk to tonight to at least take 10 minutes if you have time all right so fukng get to fukng work fukf fuk fu fk yo ufukers are pising me off get back to work fukng people are suffering and about to suffer more , if we do not find a way to assist them , fuk ,

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i want them to shine like mirrors , so i can see my awesome African American reflection every time i take a step into the precious white house , and then i will take out any statue i want and put into storage ,

[-] 3 points by Lavant (96) 2 years ago

1, He campaigned to end the PATRIOT act and instead lengthened it.

2, He campaigned to stand with unions, instead has ignores the union busting all over the US.

3, He has signed laws completely destroying the constitution of the United States.

So why would your “righteous American” support that???

[-] 3 points by alexrai (851) 2 years ago

He's lost all his conviction, he sounds like a lobotomized drone reading a teleprompter.

Go back and look at his idealistic campaign speeches, and then take a look at the decisions he's made. Something is seriously wrong with that picture.

Perhaps you should enlighten us as do why he is so great?

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i will only say this he is all we got there are no other choices for president that makes nay sense what so ever ,

[-] 3 points by 53PercentDude (29) 2 years ago

Don't you get it ... He's part of the problem!

[-] 2 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

A VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR GOLDMAN-SACHS!!!

Obama misleadingly implied that he would scale back the War on Drugs and reduce the number of poor black children being used by the politicians of America to create "safe" legislative districts by packing rural white prisons with urban young.

Obama has, like the right-wing pandering Clinton before him, escalated and militarized the Drug War resulting in greater prison populations and tens of thousands of people murdered in Mexico. While at the same time continuing to give the Taliban the "aid and comfort" of drug market profits that they use to buy bullets, bombs and bodies for use against Americans.

Barack Obama is every bit the human rights and social justice ATROCITY that I feared he would be when I refused to vote for him in 2008.

A vote for Obama is worse than a vote for any creep Republican. The Republicans slap you in the face and pick your pocket. Obama grabs your ass just to get a good grip just to throw you out of your home and give it to Wall Street.

A VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR GOLDMAN-SACHS!!!

[-] 2 points by Stormcrow (11) 2 years ago

Are you that "stupid" to believe that the Obimination is going to do wonders for you.

Personal insanity - Obama doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results

Country insanity - people voting for obama thinking that things will change.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i am only searching for the truth , and also who to actually support in 2012 because the choices are fucking weird when was the last time that we had this many gop and no dem to vote for , i don,t think the rest of this country is ready for anything else ,

[-] 2 points by ScrewyL (809) 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

hahaha! I rest my case again !!!

[-] 1 points by ScrewyL (809) 2 years ago

What is your case?

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

my case is that thefutureisnow is a drug addict & that is why he is so confused & part of OWS.

[-] 1 points by ScrewyL (809) 2 years ago

that's not a case, it's mudslinging in both directions.

[-] 2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

LBJ would be a greater democrat president (in legislative repercussions) than JFK. As far as a leader, Obama has done more to destroy the vision of the founders of the United States than any president since LBJ.

[-] 2 points by katherine1624 (2) 2 years ago

Hell no. Why would you want to vote him back into office when hes done crap for the country? Where is this so called "change"...

[-] 2 points by 53PercentDude (29) 2 years ago

He's bought and paid for by the one percent!

[-] 1 points by Durandus (181) 2 years ago

Another, perhaps more sensible, strategy might be to vote Republican...not with the idea that the Country will be better off...quite the contrary...but that with Republicans in total control of the Country, The People will finally get the most glaring look at what that means to them and their welfare...which might, might awaken them from the deep slumber of their commercialized souls...shake them from their apathy to participate in the rescue of their Country, if perchance by then it is not too late, which many happen to think it probably is anyway. Perhaps it actually needs to get much worse before it ever gets any better. The President really has come off like a wimp, complicit in the capture and degredation of the hope of the American Dream. He's no hero, that much is clear.

[-] 1 points by insaneroy (2) 2 years ago

Vote for Obama in 2012? That is as stupid as the Occupy Wall Street movement.

[-] 1 points by insaneroy (2) 2 years ago

Vote for Obama in 2012? That is as stupid as the Occupy Wall Street movement.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Because, sadly, I don't think Buddy Roemer really has a chance. And Obama is on the opposite side of Grover Norquist.

What's the theory??

[-] 1 points by rickMoss (435) 2 years ago

Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell? You have another choice - use it!

"WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://www.revolution2.osixs.org )

Enough talk, it's time to get organized.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

organized that,s a great plan , please do hook up with as many people as you can , and try to find a way to bring them all together ,

[-] 1 points by kayak69 (57) from West Sand Lake, NY 2 years ago

There are no logical choices. The Republicans are sticking it up our butt and the Democrats are handing them the vaseline.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

"...he is the only logical choice, "

I guess since shit is usually the only thing floating in a sewer it is "logical" to grab onto it to stay above water.

The lesser evil is still evil. And it is debatable whether or not Obama is the lesser evil. Even with the degenerate right-wing that runs the GOP. Obama is just as right wing as any Republican only smarter. That makes him even more dangerous than George W. Bush and Dick (for brains) Cheney were.

The choice: Stupid and dangerous Republican versus smart and dangerous Democrat. Hobson's Choice.

[-] 1 points by robes (63) from Maplewood, NJ 2 years ago

guantanamo. rendition. defense spending. ndaa. public option.

i will never vote for obama.

[-] 1 points by Marquee (192) 2 years ago

Obama? Who insisted on the new amendments in the NDAA? Obama. Who's taken more Wall Street money for campaigning? Obama. Who's broken EVERY promise he made when running for office? Obama. Obama is a liar, and must go.

[-] 1 points by reckoning (53) 2 years ago

You people love food stamps and free housing!'

Scumbags Obama bots!

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 2 years ago

I voted for Obama and I would have voted for him again if he had not signed the NDAA. But I am stuck for who to vote for. The republican agenda is clearly in support of the greed of Wall Street...why would I vote in that direction? The remaining candidate RP has a simple agenda, those who are strong enough to survive simply take over. I suppose it would be an easy system for population control. Why would I vote for someone who could care less about the number of homeless blah blah.

So what am I left with? I don't have a fuck'in clue. What is clear to me is that the country I was born in no longer exists. We can play the stupid blame game but that will not change what is...or the shadow of what is to come.

[-] 1 points by belltor (60) 2 years ago

If only because of the aging Supreme Court members. Do you really want a Republican president to make the next appointment??

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Obama is a fraud!!!

He's bombed more countries than Bush. Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan... etc

He extended the Bush tax cuts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html

He never actually closed guantanamo bay.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/guantanamo-bay-how-the-white-house-lost-the-fight-to-close-it/2011/04/14/AFtxR5XE_story.html

He lied about ending the wars in Iraq and the current withdrawal was scheduled by the Bush administration. And there is a billion dollar military base in Iraq and I guarantee you that it aint empty.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUTYL8HfCGo

He supported the bailouts of banking institutions that are extracting wealth from our country and stealing people's pensions and homes. The bailout money was used by the federal reserve to create 7.7 trillion dollars out of thin air, and Obama has yet to speak against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXPINPwp4w

He also supported the patriot act, which essentially deletes the 4th amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXmQYHV-1I

He's started unconstitutional acts of war against Libya, which he spoke out against when Bush did that to Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVo7-gOkqo

Obama signed for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial into law under provisions of the NDAA and "designates the world as the battlefield and that includes the homeland." -quote senator Lindsey Graham who supported the bill and argued in it's favor.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/14/us-refusal-veto-detainee-bill-historic-tragedy-rights

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/

"The killing of al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Pakistan and the threats posed by al Qaeda cells in Yemen and Africa underscore the evolving and continuing nature of the terrorist threat to the United States. The Conference Report ensures the United States will have the ability to meet this threat and neutralize terrorists from these groups and conduct effective interrogations."

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=23d194d7-78c9-4c57-b2d9-31bc3bb7daeb

List of terrorist organizations our country could start war with and the countries they're in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

"This [the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011] designates the WORLD as the battlefield... and that includes the homeland."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFygkHgi34

Next stop Africa and Yemen!!! Maybe Iran or Syria next? Fulfill that cold war with some Operation Northwoods and go to war with Russia? Who knows? It's the government. It's a threat to national security to tell you the truth all the time.Maybe China a few years from now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/obama-heads-to-asia-with-sharp-focus-on-chinas-growing-power/2011/11/10/gIQAOsQkBN_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/obama-us-to-send-250-marines-to-australia-in-2012/2011/11/16/gIQAO4AQQN_blog.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

Wall Street's takeover of the Obama administration is now complete. "The mega-banks and their corporate allies control every economic policy position of consequence. Mr. Obama has moved rapidly since the November debacle to install business people where it counts most. Mr.William Daley from JP Morgan Chase as White House Chief of Staff. Mr. Gene Sperling from the Goldman Sachs payroll to be director of the National Economic Council. Eileen Rominger from Goldman Sachs named director of the SEC's Investment Management division. Even the National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon, was executive vice president for law and policy at the disgraced Fannie Mae after serving as a corporate lobbyist with O'Melveny & Roberts. The keystone of the business friendly team was put in place on Friday. General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Immelt will serve as chair of the president's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/barack-obama-out-of-the-c_b_813027.html

Yet more evidence that Obama is a fraud. “We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.” -Cass R Sunstein, Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration.

Oh and don't forget about this Hour long presentation in congress about Al Qaeda members being the Libyan rebels, as well as extremists, rapists, and murderers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G0pUEU603Q&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=42&feature=plpp_video

In case any of you don't like the first video because it's a republican here is super Liberal Dennis Kucinich railing against Al Qaeda in the rebels as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUnluGSOdM&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=43&feature=plpp_video

And here is an article on the Libyan rebel leader admitting to having a bunch of Al Qaeda members in his "rebellion" which is actually just terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I would like to add that I do not support liars and I do not support tyrants. George W Obama will never have my vote again after his lies and betrayal. Fuck the GOP and fuck Obama. I'm voting third party.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago
  1. The tea party proved, with their debt limit default extortion of both the majority in Congress and the White House last summer, that the presidency is toothless when a small group in Congress want to neutralize it.

  2. Barack Obama has expanded and escalated all of George W. Bush's worst policies and made them atrocities.

  3. Obama is a lying conniving right-wing con man who uses a false impression of being progressive/liberal to mislead social justice loving Americans into voting for him.

  4. Barack Obama has turned the Oval Office into a subsidiary of Goldman-Sachs. He has done a few pro forma things for the people of America and done everything possible for Wall Street. He is a whore walking Wall Street shamelessly.

[-] 1 points by nickhowdy (1104) 2 years ago

Obama is just about as bad as Bush was...Obama is smarter, a great orator, says the things people want to hear. What he actually does is another story....

If RonPaul is in the general election...I'll vote for him...

Oh there is no telling what will happen with any of these guys once TPTB get a hold of them...

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[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 2 years ago

So, I gather, no one on this post has a problem with us miserable 99 percenters paying for the first percent family's million dollar vacation in the sun while half of the country lives (some of us in the cold with no heat) within or at the poverty level?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/20/obama-hawaii-vacation-cos_n_1158825.html

The Obamas will once again vacation in Hawaii over the holidays this year, but this time it will be a bit more expensive than previous trips.

The Hawaii Reporter writes that the President and First Lady's separate trips to Hawaii (Michelle and the girls arrived Friday; as well as the extended stay of the vacation will cost American tax payers nearly $4 million, roughly $2.5 million more than the President's 2010 trip.

The Hawaii Reporter states that the Obamas are not staying at the "Winter White House" (check out video of it here) this year and instead have rented and paid for their own accommodations in the form of a beach front rental on Kailua. The President's staff and White House Press Corp will be put up at the Moana Surfrider, a Westin resort on Waikiki Beach.

Obama, for his part, has stated that he will postpone his trip for "as long as it takes" Congress to extend payroll tax cuts and unemployment insurance, according to the Associated Press.

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

where is the proof of this is this like when the justice dept had 16 dollar muffins that did not exist how do you know they are giving you the right info ,

[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 2 years ago

You're right I do not know how much exactly for sure he and his entourage are spending. What I know is that even the appearance of surfing in the sun when half of the country is unable to pay heating bills, is definitely poor judgment. As for the muffins, indeed there were muffins and they did cost that much money; it's also true that the cost of the muffins included the conference space; still, it would have been wiser to pay for the muffins and the rooms separately or to force the meeting planners to spell out this in a transparent invoice.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

all right you remember i would like to know for sure but i can,t be sure because ruper murdoch is still out there ,

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[-] 1 points by fixwallstreetnow (42) from San Francisco, CA 2 years ago

He had an opportunity to change the world. That opportunity was real Wall Street reform. Instead he looked like a guy just happy to be at the party, which meant bringing the worst possible people into his cabinet like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner. He would have added John Corzine, who stole 1.2 Billion, as well. Instead this will be a legacy of disappointment and failed opportunity. No regulation on derivatives, no higher capital requirements on banks, no Glass-Steagall, and he let Dodd-Frank and the Volcker rule become so weak its almost worthless. He doesn't understand the depth of the issues facing the country.

I'll probably vote for him, but reluctantly. Because outside of Huntsman the republicans don 't get it either. Its all an inside job, from Clinton to Bush. You can't win these days.

[-] 1 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

I voted for Obama and I even volunteered for his Organizing for America. But I now believe that Obama is deliberately trying to throw the 2012 election, because he has been ordered to do it. I also believe that defense contractors hired Obama, the constitutional lawyer, in 2007 specifically to sabotage the Bill of Rights and Constitution, to prepare the way for a military coup. Before you accuse me of being a conspiracy nut, hear me out.

  1. Knowing that his chances for re-election are no better than 50/50, why would Obama sign the NDAA, knowing full well that in one year, a Republican President might inherit ultimate, unchecked, dictatorial power?

  2. Why would Obama insult and alienate half of his supporters, only one year before elections, by signing the NDAA? People are leaving the Democratic Party over this treason like rats jumping off a sinking ship.

  3. Why are Republicans not protesting against a Democratic President seizing dictatorial power that he could wield against Republicans? Why the silence?

  4. If you need convincing, just search any right wing news website for NDAA or National Defense Authorization Act. You will find very little about it. Compare that with Health Care Reform where every right wing news website screamed bloody murder 24 hours per day.

  5. Obama’s cover is perfect. Who would suspect a half African American university professor of being a mole for defense contractors?

  6. As The Young Turks have questioned, where is the outrage from the Democratic Party organization? If George Bush had done this, they would be screaming. I have phoned several people in the Democratic Party organization, and there is either complete ignorance of NDAA or denial. Democrats refuse to believe that their holy savior, Barack OGandhi, a Constitutional Lawyer, would destroy the Constitution. His disguise is so clever that it holds up even in light of evidence to the contrary.

  7. Congress passed the NDAA on Friday and Obama signed it on Monday. Why the hurry?

  8. There is a historical precedence. I’m not making this up. I’m quoting from Barr McClellan’s excellent book, “Blood, Money, & Power, How LBJ Killed JFK”.
    http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Money-Power-L-B-J-Killed/dp/0963784625

Barr was one of LBJ’s lawyers and was involved in the cover up. In his later years he got a guilty conscience and spilled his guts, a lot like Robert McNamara.

According to Barr, LBJ conspired with oil companies and defense contractors to get rid of JFK. LBJ then hid his guilt behind a smoke screen of civil rights initiatives, even though he was a racist from Texas. Is Obama also hiding a conspiracy behind a smoke screen of liberal domestic reforms?

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Military coup? For what purpose?

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

It would not be the first one. As Barr explains in his book, the assassination of JFK was a military coup. Six months prior to assassination, JFK ordered a complete withdraw from Vietnam. After assassination, LBJ promised defense contractors that the war in Vietnam would never end.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

So are you trying to say that the LBJ , theory that possibly connects him to Kennedy,s assassination and this issue about Obama are similar in form or what ? , you think its possible that Obama has a secret type of shadow govt activity like Dick Cheney , if so lets say you are right what can be the possible scenarios of his hidden agenda because one of the revelations i get from this is if i choose to believe or play into this theory how far does it go the first pres ever to have African American roots in the white house put there by white people? because the bottom line for me is i totally believe there is something rotten in denmark but am not quite sure at this point if i am ready to take this plunge , i would like to study this issue some more i will go to find what ever data i can on the free web as we know it i am sure it will take me at least 12 to 36 hours before i even come to a initial conclusion , because i want the truth and facts and real people real situations that,s what i try to deal with as much as possible if i am able to get to a media or news source or data base there are some accessible ones out there all right feel free to let me know if you think i am may be on the path as they say a bit more than before , and i hope others see this theory as well because i would for sure like to see change for real for a change ,

[-] 1 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago
  1. Obama has assembled the world's largest mercenary army in Iraq, Xe Services, formerly known as Blackwater. Latest troop count for Xe Services was 133,000! Last year Xe Services was acquired by Monsanto, the same company who manufactured Agent Orange for Vietnam. Now that Obama has destroyed the Posse Comitatus Act with the NDAA, there is nothing to prevent him from deploying Xe Services in the USA. All he needs is a good sized hurricane.

  2. The dictator throws more scraps to his dogs from his banquet table:

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/gay-couple-receives-obama-congratulations-wedding-213939116.html

This prevents his dogs from biting him for another day, while he sells them into indentured servitude.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

This is a theory that troubles me greatly and part of me says oh well then if that,s how its gonna be then lets get ready and forget about politics , but my faith in humanity to do the right thing whatever the hell that may be in the future says all right back to fukng drawing board , because i have a serious friend who has read over two thousand conspiracy theory books about everything from hitler science and black magic to the phoenix project in Argentina , and has explained to me a few times about controlling the weather and if that,s actually possible then what you say about a hurricane could be instantly created in certain areas that would be considered danger zones for the military to keep control over society like extreme rural areas mountain ranges they already have the MO for closing off the cities but this is a huge and vast continent and i have explored many parts of it personally , bu there are so many places in the northwest that are just about out of reach places where no man has been before at least that we know of this country is fukgn huge man i do not think their is any way they can control every part of it it would take so many troops it would be unreal , i can only hope that if they try to deploy the national defense act that some of the actual soldiers may say no and desert to armed forces it would not be the first time they ever had deserters and if the gov,t they are fighting for wants martial law on innocent people then its quite possible that they would say no ,

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

I'm not talking about conspiracy theories or fantastic weather machines. The magnitude of hurricanes has increased every year for 10 years due to global warming. All Obama has to do is wait.

I just want to people in this forum to answer one simple question for me: Why are Republicans not complaining about a Democratic president seizing the ultimate power of a dictator with the NDAA, when Obama could use it to arrest Republicans?

[-] 0 points by mee44 (71) 2 years ago

Life is short and I'm not reading a book written by you.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

yea sorry about that i only created this post for evolution of our revolution , so i will try to stay on point thanks for a respectful reply , and last i think its great when we actually respect each other instead of being divided all the time , thanks again ,

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

so what do you suggest mee44 its interesting you said that because i am writing a book , right now about the evolution of the OWS movement ,

[-] 0 points by mee44 (71) 2 years ago

I suggest you learn brevity in writing. You can usually say the same thing in 5 sentences as in 50. Choose your words better.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

well so far you and one other person seem to be the only two people who give fuk , so i guess i won,t be taking any English lit 101 , night classes on your account , besides i am not here for punctuation and capitalization i am here to help the nation , and assist OWS and sometimes i am just in a hurry so 50 words are not enough to get the job done if you are not happy with my post don,t waste your time reading them unless U want to B my editor ,

[-] 1 points by Fraqtive42 (87) from Herndon, VA 2 years ago

In today's narrow political spectrum, I view voting as a 'lesser evils' type of thing. Obama may not be what we want, but at least he's not some crazy-ass fundamentalist.

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

hahahahaha!

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

your a riot this is my planet to i can do what i think is right if i am not right then i will will be wrong but it will be one of these two scenarios in 2012 ,

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 2 years ago

I'm gonna vote socialist.

[-] 1 points by tinah (4) 2 years ago

Voting for either side, means that you support this police state

[-] -2 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i am only trying to point out the obvious and that is Obama is the only real choice we got left,

[-] 0 points by tinah (4) 2 years ago

He is the lesser of two evils. he just allowed a bill to be passed that allows us citizens, to be locked up without trial. ows will be at both conventions-in mass- to disrupt them.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

The lesser of two evils, is still evil.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 2 years ago

Obama specifically INSISTED that the language in the NDAA bill INCLUDE US citizens or he would veto it. Go to Glenn Greenwald at Salon for a very in depth analysis of what that rat bastard Obama has done to the constitution. There is currently only one politician standing up for civil liberties and constitutional rights, but you idiots are so stuck in your left-right paradigm that you'll cut off your nose to spite your face, and purposely ignore he who shall not be named on OWS.

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

its all propaganda because the whites cannot deal with a person of African American descent in their precious little white house , the national defense act was created for the sole purpose of ousting Obama from the white house and with all the propaganda freaks running around in this country it just might work , but i hope it does not so Obama had nothing to do with bush or the national defense act its all propaganda for people with small minds in small towns who are the bulk votes that can get a president elected you notice how it came into light on election year it was planned that way , Obama is the only and last pres we may ever have who is not a fucking criminal and all everyone on this site wants to do is whine about their fucking payroll tax ,

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Well, this last comment proves what a racist you are. Do you know how many whites voted for Obama believing his promises? By the way, in case you forgot, Obama's half white. It's just as correct to say we have a white president. Fucking racist moron!

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

yea well have you ever looked right at a picture of Obama,s father he is 100 African American so if these supposed white people voted him in then why do they make constant racial slurs against him in public , what the fuck is that about , your argument is a bit weak man ,

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 2 years ago

Obamas father was African (a Kenyan), not African-American. Good grief, you are ignorant.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

all right i stand corrected but his father did go to Harvard , and was discriminated against because of his relationships with white women and the basically tried to fuck him totally , i mean we all know what potential racist bullshit lies within the Harvard yards and walls i know i lived there for a while over a year ,

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 2 years ago

Obama deserves every bit of criticism he gets cause he sold out the USA and eviscerated the US Constitution and civil rights. Using the bullshit race card to cover for this treason WON'T WORK. If any other white or rep pres had done this the Dems would have gone ballistic. Obama and the left/Dems will now have the historic distinction of putting the final nail in the coffin for freedom in the US. Now any tyrant can take power and any evil whim can be called "legal". Obama did this. With your full support.

[-] 1 points by tinah (4) 2 years ago

would you be happier if we painted his house black? http://1vbd3.cjb.net

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

Obama not a criminal? He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. The NDAA completely violates the Constitution. I think that crime is called Treason. Obama is a criminal now, perhaps one of the greatest in US history.

[-] 1 points by Tinhorn (285) 2 years ago

That is the dumbest statment I have seen on this web site. If you think for a second that Obama has done anything to assist or help the cause any different than any other political figure, I want to smoke what your on.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I see you are still playing games....

You should run, you'd fit right in..

[-] 1 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

Obama could care less about the OWS or anyone else. He pretends he likes you for you will vote for his sorry ass. The assclown is the worst we ever had

[-] -2 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

listen why do you people insist on fucking up my forum,s if you don,t have anything positive or at least relative to my post then why even reply what the fuck is wrong with you assholes , i will smack you with Obama,s best boots and then make you lick them clean if you don,t stay out of my way ,

[-] -1 points by mee44 (71) 2 years ago

Obama is economically illiterate. He's performed far below expectations.

He's a mere teleprompter with no good ideas. He's a talker and a con artist.

We need someone that's good with numbers and someone who uses logic and reason to make decisions.

With Obama, 2+2 = whatever he wants it to equal

We need a thinker, not a believer. There's no chance he'll get my vote. Worst president ever.

[-] -1 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

You got that right and the assClown has been in campaign mode ever since he took office. He is one and done

[-] -2 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

hey loser, sorry but the truth hurts don't it. He could care less about y'all. Wrap a diaper around your head, like his moooooslim buds, then he will be all over ya

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

what,s this another racist , how about is we put that diaper on your ass so you will stop crapping on everything that,s not the master race , fuk the master race, and the spaceship they rose in on ,

[-] 0 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

Guess I am a racist since I do not like the great mesiah Obummer??

[-] 0 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

Moooochelle is that you???? must be because who else would recommend the assClown????

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

If it comes down to a choice between Obama and a Republican, which it almost certainly will, or voting for a third party candidate that will split the vote, than I think we better vote for Obama, and in the meantime work like heck to oust the corrupt Democrats as well as the Republicans from power. We must look the reality of the corrupt two-party system squarely in the face and deal with it. The only other alternative is to find a means to overthrow the system with non-violent revolution, in which case we really will need 99%, or damn near it. I advocated a credit revolt at one point, which I really think would give this movement actual power, actual political leverage, but there was little enthusiasm for the idea. The reality is that if we are unwilling to collectively take such radical steps in non-cooperation, and are also unwilling to work through the system, than we simply won't accomplish anything at all.

I think flexibility in our thinking, patience, and above all endurance are what is needed to really create the change we all want to see.

[-] 0 points by eyeofthetiger (304) 2 years ago

your nuts

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

all right i am going vegas on this forum for day but will be back after i solve a zen like political riddle i have received from another occupier on this site , so i hope i have provided a viable source for OWS to possibly get a bit closer to getting a bit more epic , because that,s my goal i am a wave maker a trouble maker a static bringer but i am not a fkng troll i only want to help this movement grow any way i can , and i hope that others will be able to admit when they are mistaken because i will have no issue with that , so let,s find out how many real OWS people are here and how many are not , this forum has made it through the real troll gauntlet so to all you real trolls out there you will go in my book of 1001 and 1 uses for the word fuck in a movement and one of them will surely be fuck the trolls ,

[-] 0 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

hahahaha! amazing hahahaha!

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

i really don,t know why people give Lucifer a hard time man its his planet too and i am basically a Buddhist but i think that if Lucifer conducts himself in a positive manner who are we to say what he does and also what can we really do about it , i mean really there is a guy in jail right now who fired an assault rifle at the fucking white house and tried to say he did it because Obama is the antichrist what kind of bull shit is that if some religious freak comes at me with a weapon i will do my best to take it away from him and beat him in his skull with it, so this is not a religious movement , at least not as far as i can see ,

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

good reasoning for a drug addict!

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

dude i have probably done more drugs in my life than u ever will but i not for a very long time not that it is really your business , i am totally sober from all narcotics and alcohol , so chew on that for a bit you fucking war monger , i mean that is aries right the supposed god of war maybe you should read shogun the art of war instead ,

[-] 1 points by aries (463) from Nutley, NJ 2 years ago

I rest my case.

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

besides you know what Obama is yo mama ,

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Currently He is the only sane choice on offer today.

If He does get a 2nd Presidency. Because it is all too possible that the powers that be won't want Him to be available for us.

Remember what happened to the unfortunate John F Kennedy. He was murdered by a combined conspiracy of those that felt endangered by His perspective, stated beliefs and proposed policies.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

Are you kidding? The powers that be frickin love Obama. He has been their Santa Claus.

Obama is no JFK.

[-] 0 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

The assMonkey is one and done, get over it

[-] 0 points by MrMiller (128) from Sandy, UT 2 years ago

Anyway, the real problem with Obama is a grossly uninformed public, Fox News propaganda and an unsupportive congress. If they were all Democrats, and if the public wasn't a collective group of stupid sheeple, he would kick this country's ass into shape.

[-] 4 points by Confusedoldguy (260) 2 years ago

Seriously, miller? The man owned Washington for two years, with a rubber stamp congress, and had the obvious support of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and 90% of the major newspapers across the country. He had a an unpopular predecessor, a huge national whiteboard to write on, and pretty much a blank check to pay for it all. And he squandered it! You are really going to wonder what he could have done with more support? The only way he could have had a freer hand would have been to declare martial law. Criminy. The guy was not a victim of lack of support.

[-] 2 points by Tinhorn (285) 2 years ago

What about the two years he had both houses of Congress? He still has the Senate and can't even get them to go along with him on most issues. Dem Senators and Congressman are so scared for there political lives that they are running away from Obamacare leaving him out on his own little utopian island. When your own party has abandoned you, your days are numbered.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

Oh yeah, blame Fox news for the Dems actions and inactions even though Democrats controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency for two years. LOL.

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

thanks man you are a true American and i am finding more and more difficult to connect with anyone on this site who actually knows or really cares about what,s happening and what a real solution may be , there are so many national socialist movement assholes here that,s they want to disable a post before it even gets off the ground ,

[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 2 years ago

of course. no choice

[-] 0 points by MrMiller (128) from Sandy, UT 2 years ago

I think he still has plenty of potential, but I think that he needs to promise to reform the financial sector to have any chance, and with his vested interest in the financial community, needing them to succeed so he doesn't look worse than he already is, I don't think that he's going to back away from supporting them like he already has. Problem is that the financial sector is the true power in America and I think that Obama realizes that.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

thanks for your honest and relative reply i am having trouble with so many people who are trying to fuck up my forum,s

[-] -1 points by danmi (66) 2 years ago

Four more years of that dog chit and we would not exist anymore. The loser is out in 2012, Get over it libtards and learn to like the taste of Tea, as in Tea Party. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[-] -1 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

Obama the NDAA traitor is not the only choice. Al Franken did not vote for NDAA. Nominate Al Franken.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 2 years ago

You might want to double check your facts about Franken. Cenk on TYT went ballistic saying Franken DID vote for NDAA.

[-] 0 points by RussellFeingold (55) 2 years ago

Franken voted for the first draft, but voted against the final draft because the Senate did not remove the now notorious language. Check the date of Cenk's TYT video. I watched it too, and I have very high regard for Cenk. I joined his Wolf Pac.

[-] -1 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

any president is going to be better than no president i have seen some total fkgk whack jobs who are basically just here to get there political rocks off totally insulting people for the hell of it , man i am an Obama supporter but mainly a Democrat and how long i have been a Democrat well the last Dem or anyone i voted for was the Kerry Edwards campaign so i am not a troll or a spy or anything except for a human being , and i am actually glad to see this site as together as it is there will always be conflict in politics such as these , many people are here for many small reasons that actually make it up to the ultimate reason we are all here , greed and corruption is what brought us all here at the same time , i am not political scholar and do not claim to be i have some prior political involvement here and there but mostly i just started standing up publicly for the issues i think need to be addressed and eventually people started to agree well i think there are many of us out there who can decide who will be the next pres of the united states , and i am doing what i can to assist the OWS movement and America , i have faith in humanity and some of the humans i see and Obama is one of those people for me , and also you are radical man your site is alive and growing like a coral reef no one can walk on except the life forms that live in it , you have created somewhat of a bubble for OWS to be sheltered to a point i am quite sure is will grow a lot larger, peaceout, man ,

[-] -3 points by ewarden84 (0) from New York, NY 2 years ago

a vote for Obama is a vote against the republicans. I will vote for him on those grounds alone.

[-] 0 points by thefutureisnow (223) from Newark, NJ 2 years ago

yea that,s what i am talking about get these NSO pricks out of this forum so we can get something accomplished besides of bunch of idiots who do not have any valid points what so ever all they can come up with is bullshit and insulting and degrading remarks about me and the pres , if i was Obama and i saw one of these little pricks holding up a poster board comparing Obama to hitler i would walk up and smack the fuck out of them and then kick them in the fucking face,