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Forum Post: You Might Be A Domestic Terrorist

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 25, 2012, 1:04 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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At least that's what the FBI thinks

FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) pursuant to the PCJF’s Freedom of Information Act demands reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat even though the agency acknowledges in documents that organizers explicitly called for peaceful protest and did “not condone the use of violence” at occupy protests.

The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country.

“This production, which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI’s surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement,” stated Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, Executive Director of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF). “These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.”

“The documents are heavily redacted, and it is clear from the production that the FBI is withholding far more material. We are filing an appeal challenging this response and demanding full disclosure to the public of the records of this operation,” stated Heather Benno, staff attorney with the PCJF.

Read more - there's a lot more to read

http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html

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[-] 10 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You Might Be A Domestic & International Terrorist

If you are in public service ( enforcement - Judicial - government ) and you are not supporting ALL OF THE PEOPLE ( Living Breathing ) but are instead supporting the greedy self-serving interests of the CorpoRATions and the wealthy few in their pursuit of profits over people/society/environment/world/LIFE.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22311) 1 year ago

That's right. It is the patriots who protest.

[-] 6 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Exactly

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Supporters of the intent of the constitution. Yes. Supporters of the ideal America. The dream to work for.

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[-] -1 points by newwrld (-25) 1 year ago

patriots = Rep or "We The People"

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Fuckin-A

Goldman Sachs are financial terrorists.

[-] 7 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wallstreet is set-up to rape the world - plain and simple.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

They're hoarding the money in hopes of buying a big enough ass for the whole world to kiss.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hoarding - exactly - and to what purpose(?) other then lording it over the vast majority of life on this planet. They certainly are not using the money to improve society.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I'm telling you... it's the ass thing. It's the only thing that makes sense. Why else would they need to hoard, corrupt, and destroy like they do? There is no logic behind what they do. It's just greed.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

YES - PLAIN & SIMPLE =

GREED/Mental Illness/Anti-Social/Destructive

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Yep!

But the party hacks assault on this forum don't want you to mention the democrats role in this system. That's why I'm going negative. I've invoked the D word in previous posts when talking about war, wall street, and corruption. Uh oh!

I'm reading about the downvoters and how people like them throughout history have helped suppress a real far left and liberal voice in society. Even some of the downvoters on this forum have tried to accuse me of supporting al Qaeda for not approving of the wars. Same shit republicans do. It's pathetic.

Downvoted for shit talking Wall street? Come on guys... who you really working for? lol

And DKA I know it's not you, so don't think I'm talking about you. I like you. lol

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is why I do not care - At all - for parties - Ummmm - political Parties - roll up a fatty and I will do my best to help you put it out - by repeated - DEEP - inhalations. Please folks let us address Issues.

BTW - you were not quite finished when I responded to your comment - SO - THANK YOU - and I love your anti-war dedication.

EDIT : again you continued while I was responding ( is that a Kinda Jinx ? - if so you owe me a beer or a free slug on your shoulder or a fatty - that I will share ).

You are exactly right - it is a vote of confidence ( sender unaware - apparently ) - you get attacked for speaking against war - and you know - at that very point in time - THAT - YOU ARE CORRECT.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I think I edited that comment like 5 times in 5 minutes. Sorry I have a tendency to do that. I blame the fatty. LOL

Edit - Thanks for the good words.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Keep-on Keeping-ON

[-] 4 points by grapes (3444) 1 year ago

I wonder if you really mistook that mule for an ass.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Word.

[-] 5 points by grapes (3444) 1 year ago

Noooooooooooo! Goldman Sachs helped Obama get elected! Do you all remember? Eloquence got one to occupy the White House. Just talk the talk and fork the walk (Cubism in action).

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Bam!!! And there it is folks. Read it, digest it, think on it and live by it.

[-] 6 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

“These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity."

Think about that. They're treating protests against the Wall St. corporations that crashed our economy as criminal protests. And they're treating as criminals the people who care about this country enough to push back against the corporate takeover of government. Corporatists have hijacked our republic.

The FBI is no longer working for the people apparently. It's working for the hijackers.

This really fucking pisses me off. We need to engage in nonviolent direct action of all kinds to unseat these corporate hijackers and restore our great republic. This is a damn good country. And there's no fucking way we're going to let a bunch of nihilistic self serving misguided corporatists run it into a ditch to further enhance their wealth.

No fucking way. Nonviolent direct action of all kinds is in order to expose the injustice and underhandedness for all to see. Strikes, boycotts, sit ins, walk outs, marches, teach ins, street theater, writings, blockades, ...... It's time to unseat the hijackers.

We have the power -- http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-have-the-power-to-turn-this-world-around-this-o/

Don't be afraid of the word tension. Nonviolent tension can be transformative and good.**  The following is from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "Letter from the Birmingham Jail":

"Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. . . I am not afraid of the word 'tension'. I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. . . The purpose of our direct-action program is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. . ."

We should make the 8 demands BELOW very publicly at a press conference a few days after arriving in DC. (late spring 2014 to allow time for planning, laying groundwork and buildup).  When doing so, we should give a clear deadline of 30 days for a firm written commitment with signatures from at least 60% of members of House and 60% of the members of the Senate to pass these bills by the end of the year. If this commitment on the full slate of demands is not met by midnight on the 30th day (which it won't be) we should be prepared to non-violently block access to all or part of the Capitol complex the next morning by traditional proven non-violent tactics. The purpose is to bring the leaders of the House and Senate to the negotiating table.

KEEP IN MIND: There are always entrances because there is always a point where people who work there have to leave the public street and enter secure space. We should focus our non-violent direct action and civil disobedience on those entrances no matter where they move them because these are, by definition, always accessible.

8 DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS

CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT"http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT that were repealed in the 90's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act . Most economists believe the repeal of this act directly contributed to the severity of the financial crisis of 2007–2011.

USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis 

CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections.  This law should also restore the "Fairness Doctrine".

CONGRESS PASS a revised version of THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. 

CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it FULLY at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. 

CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS (including ALEC) WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.

CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS TO GO TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year.

ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. 

The list of 8 items above is NOT an end all be all, of course.  But those things will get the corporate foot off our neck long enough to allow us the breathing room to go further towards the root of the problem.

(Here's another part to work on too: http://occupywallst.org/forum/new-view-why-gun-control-peace-treaties-campaign-f/ ).

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Wall Street is considered part of "National Security"

Richardkengates pointed that out to me.

Welcome to the Wall Street Government where republicans and democrats back those giving trillions to Wall Street and participate in war for their "US interests" and call it "fighting terrorism" even when we have had 4 Star Generals go on tv saying it's for resources.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Man, this really pisses me off.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Also you should add a 9th and 10th demand.

Living wage and HR 2990

Monetary policy is currently just giving trillions to banks. There needs to be serious monetary reform or Wall Street will always have the power they have.

C.R.E.A.M.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Should be national "insecurity" ( truth in advertizing ).

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Great changes must occur regarding govt policy towards wall st PTB, but referring to richardkentgates is kinda out there. Isn't he like a doomsday prepper? The world is gonna end,! Economy collapse. gather gold, food, ammo. bunker living.

Are you serious. Is that what you believe.?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I don't know what Richard does in his spare time.

But I do know that Climate Change poses a huge threat to the planet.

And Corporatism and the Wall Street government pose a huge threat to the economy and the dollar.

What do you believe?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Great changes must occur regarding govt policy towards wall st PTB,

I just said that.

1% corp oligarchs and their conservative puppets are the problem.

I support progressive solutions for all the monetary problems, and economic inequity that the 99% suffer under.

You've said (& your friend RichardKG) it was only the dems, and Obama responsible right?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I dare you to try and find one time where I've specifically said "everything is Obama's fault"

And I fully acknowledge my criticisms for Obama. He is a terrible Goldman Sachs president that supports the current corrupt monetary policy as well as backs George Bush's Ben Bernanke. Monetary policy is steup specifically for Wall Street and the banks crushing our economy. Ultimately it is Congress who can change monetary policy, but it says a lot when people say they support the current corrupt system, say it needs no changes, and then choose Ben Bernanke, a Bush appointee

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Whatever. What are you proposing besides the corrupt Fed/banking/monetary system we've had for decades.?

What is it you want to see happen? Since all you ever do is beat up this 1 politician for this decades old financial system without an alternative and without assigning any blame on anyone else I can't help but believe you are just engaging in partisan attacks.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

i've answered this question a bunch of times.

I want to see leg. like HR 2990 passed and I want to see monetary policy used for job creation through infrastructure and funding of social programs... instead of just printing money for the banks.

It's not my fault you deny truth and constantly defend people funded by Goldman Sachs. I don't support anyone that accepts money from banks, and then votes to give them billions. That is racketeering.

And again you accuse me of saying it's only Obama, even though you're replying to a comment where I specifically said Congress is responsible for monetary policy, outside of choosing a Chairman and a few other areas.

Stop defending Wall Street and their fingers in the puppets.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

you said congress? When you start uttering the names of pols and the party at the center of ALL our problems I MAY believe you ain't just anti Obama.

When you acknowledge that it is conservative policies that have created our crises, and that serves the corp 1% I might believe you.

You said congress. LOL whatta a fuckin joke! Just HR2990 it's over. Repubs suffocated it. You failed to be outraged because you never criticize you party.

Transparent partisan!!

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

there's over 400 names to list in the corrupt Congress.

You may have forgotten that the patriot act passed with only one NO vote in the senate and barely any NO votes in the House.

here's a link to the 50 richest men in congress, also corrupt

http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th.html

HR 2990 is the solution to the problem with monetary policy. That is correct. It is not the solution to every problem, I never said it was, but it allows funding for social programs and millions of jobs to be created, without increasing the debt.

I don't have a political party you party hack you.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

50 richest men? what is that supposed to mean?

I've seen that list floating around the tea party right wing wacko websites, trying to make the point that because they are mostly dems they serve the1%.

Is that the point you are trying to make?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You're an idiot is the point I'm trying to make. You made that point for me though.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You pushing the same meaningless partisan crap as thetea party.

What does it matter how much wealth someone has. We aren't against wealthy because they are wealthy we are against a system that is unfair to the 99%.

So you think the 50 wealthiest (Dems) are the problem?

Y'know Demint had very little money, does that mean he is with the people?

You're dishonest and a transparent partisan.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Nothing I've said is similar to the anti-gay tea party, you hack.

You didn't read the list either. And I absolutely think the rich fuck democrats in congress are part of the problem with the rich fuck republicans. John Kerry = Pro-War republican wearing a D on his chest.

Also there are more republicans on the list I shared than there are democrats. How do you not see how partisan you are?

Wake up, your government is corrupt.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you are against rich people because they are rich?

I am not.

You gotta do better than that, some wealthy support Occupy and our agenda.

[-] -3 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

soros backed ows and the obama regime endorsed it. they have now turned on you. you are no longer of any value to them, NOW, do you understand the term " useful idiot"?

[-] 0 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Wow. You need to raise your game a little. Soros paranoia? That's so 2011. Also, what does your reply have to do with the comment you're replying to? Why not give a sincere response?

[-] -2 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

ows people are now classified as terrorists by the fbi. love it. the adminstration used you and has now turned on you. thats why you're "useful idiots" you did your " job" and now they cut you loose.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't be so happy - they have you listed as a shill - to go work for the highest bidder. Wait until they figure they don't need your kind of sellout. What then? Do you have a ready rock to crawl under?

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

you have no idea what you're talking about.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Apparently - "YOU" have no idea who you are working for. You are the identified Judas goat - when your job is done - you hit the scrap heap - as you are not to be trusted.

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

i dont work for anyone. the hangers on of ows provide comic relief.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wow - a self proclaimed individual without a country - How screwed are You?

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

why do you presume that i dont have a country ?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am sorry - since you seem to be so anti-social - I just presumed that you had no country/loyalty - I could have been wrong - but I don't consider supporting greed or subjugation of the masses or the destruction/poisoning of the environment as being items to be loyal to - so not related to having a country.

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

My loyalty is to the United States of America. what have i posted that was anti social?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If you have to ask - and are actually honestly confused lost or bewildered - then perhaps you need to pay attention to what you are saying - why you are saying it - and consider if you keep getting negative reactions - that something is wrong with your thinking process and or perception and or your communication skill.

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

talk to girlfriday about politeness.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GF can be very polite - but if that has not been your experience - I can understand that.

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

then you can consider yourself slapped down when i or anyone else disagrees with you.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It depends how it is done or why it is done - those I respect have good reasoning for their objections - and I will generally try to find an understanding. Then there are those who much like you appear to be here only to attack OWS. Those I will give an opportunity to express themselves - and refute their position - politely at 1st - not so politely as the exchange goes on and the attacker has not presented a point of view that would say that they are a well meaning OWS supporter. See how nice I am talking to you and offering information and perspective?

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

so , you consider disagreeing to be a slap down? your intolerance is showing.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No not at all - there are differences of opinion - different approaches that one or another might take. But if pretty much every one is slapping you down except other like minded thinkers like yourself - then obviously you are in the wrong place or are doing a poor job of expressing your self. Either way it is your job to figure it out - how else do you grow if you can not analyze information?

[-] -1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

please, give examples of what you say im guilty of. as for negative reactions, everyone on here gets them when they dont agree with the mindset of ows. ows people have a low threshold for tolerance of dissent.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

See and here you are casting aspersion at ows in general - that pretty much says it all - you are not here for any good purpose.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Just take note every time someone slaps you down - I know that should keep you busy. Then consider the site you are on and the proposed goals of supporters and the site. Perhaps you will get a clue - self discovery.

[-] -2 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

girlfriday has a foul mouth for anyone that disagrees with her.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U still here? I mean I thought you might have moved on to a more comfortable place 4 U - heritage site or somethin.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

OWS isn't the Tea Party.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Glenn?

Are you sure you want to be found away from theblaze.com?

Do Roger and Rupert know you're here?

Oh, and you forgot to mention agenda 21, gotta promote the old book you know. That trash doesn't always sell itself.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're delusional. Soros and Obama are not colluding, conspiring or working together with OWS in any way.

In your fantasies.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22264) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You Might Be A Domestic Terrorist

If you are alive and breathing

If you are not a member of government

If you are not wealthy

If you are not a corpoRATion

If

If

If

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

PCJF is doing some critical legal work. They show the justification for Christopher Browns proposal to soldiers to lawfully and peacefully defend the constitution.

http://algoxy.com/ows/soldiersinquiry.html

If citizens perceive that PCJF is providing this kind of justification THEY NEED TO UNITE and present the PCJF legal facts, by petition as constructive notice to mass media and demand that the televised news contain the facts.

Then demonstrate when the petition is presented. Every 30 days a protest is held IF media does not share the truth. Then, depending on reactions, responses, a federal lawsuit MUST be filed alleging that media is concealing treason.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Please explain this a little further

thanks!

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

A valid strategy using legal process is proposed but soldiers are afraid of questioning the command over them relating to various treasons they know of.

If citizens use the PCJF facts as a pivot to hold media accountable, then they are testing the courts when they sue media for concealing the facts from the public. The facts constitute types of treason. There is a US code about misprision of treason. When media refuses, file a IN RE: in the US district court under the US code that has the facts of treason and the facts of its attempted concealment. That guy Brown did that with 9-11 and put it online. If those protests were linked to "Occupy Congress" where the main demand is Article V, then protestors at congress can point to protesters against the abridged freedom of the press or the great need for freedom of speech to be un abridged so Americans can properly defend the constitution; then when news does get out, it will make sense and be a very real and proper group of assemblies under the constitution, and in this case, for defense of the constitution.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

.....if you receive a government paycheck from the very people you oppress and you are so uneducated that you feel you earned it.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

“These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity."---- don't you know by now that the banks and corporations are america? know your place serf. bow to your masters.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You might be a domestic terrorist if you:

A) Feel that injecting 85 Billion a month, after 4 Trillion the last 4 years, will lead to something very ugly

B) Feel that our government doesnt serve teh people and needs radical changes

C) Keep food and water in your home in case of natural or man made disaster

D) Occupy space as a means of protest

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You might get a downvote assault against you if

A) You question monetary policy giving trillions to banks

B) You question foreign policy and war

C) You support a third party

D) You mention the D word

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

haha it seems that way eh? I just got told to stop peddling my "Fed crap"

A few on this site certainly need to go actually occupy for a while so they can know the crowd they allegedly support.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You are very correct. Many are under a spell that 6 degrees to Kevin Bacon can discredit an idea.

and hey we've been downvoted. Looks like I was 100% correct.

How so many people have failed to correlate the money printers to the people with all the money is beyond me. Monetary policy is literally set up to give trillions to the banks and Wall Street... and they call that crap?