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Forum Post: Would you vote for this mystery Presidential candidate?

Posted 2 years ago on July 11, 2012, 5:25 p.m. EST by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA
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If you were only judging by his positions on these issues and didn't consider his party affiliation?

Jobs—Supports renegotiating trade agreements to bring back jobs lost to other countries, and WPA-type programs to get people back to work and repair our nation’s infrastructure

Rule of law—Supports prosecuting Wall Street fraud, war crimes, and illegal spying on US citizens

Civil/Human Rights—Supports closing Guantanamo Bay, marriage equality, repeal of NDAA indefinite detention provision, and repeal of several sections of PATRIOT Act

Environment—Supports prohibition of new coal-burning power plants and international leadership on global climate change

Immigration—Does not support massive deportations of otherwise law-abiding immigrants

Taxes—Does not support extension of Bush-era tax cuts for wealthiest Americans

Budget —Supports major cuts in spending on the military-industrial complex and ending the “war on drugs”

Financial Reform—Supports restoring the Glass-Steagall Act, ending antitrust exemption for insurance companies, breaking up “too-big-to-fail” banks, and moving Federal Reserve to Treasury Dept.

Healthcare—Supports a single-payer Medicare-for-all healthcare system

Campaign finance Reform—Supports public financing of campaigns and a constitutional amendment overruling Citizens United case

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[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

This is an extremely loaded question that leaves out a lot of considerations about the person and his true loyalties.

What is this person's track record. How do I know he's not a flip flopper or just saying stuff to get elected. Just because I agree with a candidate's position, it does not necessarily translate into trusting them to keep their word.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

This is not a question to trap anyone, but to show they are already trapped into making a choice based on party. Our choice should be based on policy alone. This candidate shares many views that the posters here do, but some would deny him consideration as a candidate only because he was a member of the other party.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

I see where you are going now and I agree with you. I don't align with parties - they come with borders and want your blind patriotism to rally around their party flag. I view party fighting as psychological warfare and I do protest.

[-] 1 points by ElectoralReform (73) 2 years ago

That's Dr Jill Stein or to an extent Gary Johnson. Very real candidates you can vote for.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Would you vote for this person if his views closely match yours?

[-] 1 points by letsdomore (89) 2 years ago

Much better than voting for O-bomb-a or Romney( yen-mor backwards) puppets.

(Not for the immigration stance when American citizens can't find employment.)

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Ok- you guys know me- I support all of these positions -
I'll play the game - WITHOUT party bias -
Since these are all my positions, I will write my name in.
I believe Teddy Roosevelt would take all these positions, I will write in Teddy Roosevelt
I believe Bernie Sanders would take all these positions, I will write in Bernie Sanders
I believe Mr. Jefferson Smith would take all these positions, I will write in Mr. Jefferson Smith


Of course, all of these masterbatory actions
would make me feel good -
and help elect the worst koch stooge imaginable


if Stein or Johnson want to stop masturbating -
and do something to further THEIR goals and MY goals -
they should run for an office that they CAN win


[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Do you see the point being made? You do have a candidate that matches your viewpoints fairly closely, but choose an inferior candidate instead, to prevent a more inferior candidate from winning.

On the other side of the aisle, a conservative makes the identical decision. Both of you might even prefer the same candidate, but fear from both prevents the better candidate from ever winning.

Because millions remain confined to a single party, both parties continue to dominate. Fords and Chevy's dominated 40 years ago, Hondas and Toyotas did not. It took courage to break away from the inferior and grab on to the superior.

Fear is the greatest weapon that tyranny possesses. When we refuse to submit to fear, tyranny becomes powerless. If we surrender to it, it enslaves us.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Agreed. Well said.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Sounds like Pres Obama. Is that who you are talkin about?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

The point is do you vote for the party or for the positions the candidate takes?

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 2 years ago

Depends. Does this "mystery candidate" have a record to back up his positions? For instance, if he were Pres, would he lessen the Patriot Act or make it worse? If his party controlled Congress would he get us a single-payer system? Would he extend the Bush tax cuts?

Most importantly, would he be Wall Street's Bitch for four years if he won?

Or is he just another useless politician, saying the right things so a bunch of mindless lapdogs will just bend over and support him no matter what he does?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

You're missing the point. I am trying to filter out political bias in the choice of candidates. If your knowledge of each candidate's positions was limited to a short list as above, would you vote for this candidate?

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 2 years ago

Sorry. Thought you were just another Obama minion like VQ.

Btw VQ, NONE of that sounds like Obama. "prosecuting Wall Street fraud"? Obama? Really? What a mindless drone you are.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Insults = weak argument. I believe this is a list of what a given candidate supports. I believe Pres Obama does support prosecuting wall st criminals. That he has done very little in this regard is not indicated on the list.

You gotta read it.

Depends on what the meaning of "is". Is!

Get it.

Peace. You Namecaller! You.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

This list is taken right off a legitimate Presidential candidate's website.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Excellent! A candidate who knows the right things to say to impress a progressive!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Then you should be fooled 100% by them...

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Takes more than that to fool a NY'r.

Support OWS. Vote out pro Norquist, anti Buffett rule politicians!

Peace

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

If you thinki the "buffet rule" was anymore than political propoganda in a 76k page tax code, you are too dumb to fail

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

insults=weak arguments. no substance.

So you want the wealthy to keep your boy Bushs tax cuts too?

Vote out pro wealthy tax cut politicians.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You are a mental midget that fails for the media tricks....

Let me know when you have caught up...

PS- insults are not the same as facts.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

90% tax rate on income over a million $.

Free college, Public healthcare option, Money out of politics.

Prosecute the wall st banksters And the war criminal Bush.

You 1% plutocrat shill!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

more insults! & no objection to your boy Bushs wealthy tax cuts.

You shill for the 1% plutocrats?

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

No, you are just too dumb to put one and one together,,,,,go away dude, I am so tired of you.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I vote for the positions taken by one of the 2 parties who have a monopoly on power in this country.

Is that the right answer.?

End the 2 party monoploy!!!

Peace

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

There is no right answer. Do his positions match yours closely enough that you would vote for him?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Sure. what the hell. but joe blow down the block might also.He can't get elected though.

And obviously no one should decide based on some mysterious list of positions alone right.?

I mean this is a fun game. but it's only a game!

Peace

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Let's assume there is no other candidate that matches your positions as closely as this one. If I mentioned the party he belonged to, would that change your mind?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Maybe. Why? Is this a test? I don't test well.

Support OWS. Vote out pro Norquist, anti Buffett rule politicians!

Peace

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

This candidate belongs to the Justice party. Does that change your vote?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Never heard of them. As I said earlier this country is ruled by 2 parties D's & R's. Until we end that (which I do support) we must keep R's who proudly trumpet the 1% policies of the plutocrats, and elect more D's and pressure D's to not vote with the right wing. Especially if we are in swing states.

Until we recreate from the bottom up the govt with real direct democracy.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

How will you end the two party system by continuing to support one half of it? And the Dems don't support the 1% too?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"how will I end.....?" LOL "I" can't end anything. We must do it. When enough of us are informed and fed up the corrupt system wil end.

As for me.

I support OWS,Humanist movements, Anarchist philosophy. I don't have the answer as to how the change will come. I won't allow conservatives to take more power without a fight. I will agitate for the changes we need to help the 99%, And for the changes that can help facilitate the end of the 2 party monopoly.

How about you.?

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Educating the public first that the system is corrupt and needs to change, second encouraging them to take action to accomplish that change.

And while doing this I have withdrawn all support for the military corporate political alliance that rules us.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I cannot and will not encourage progressives to give up their right to vote. I can do that with tea party repubs conservatives. But otherwise I will just be helping repubs and their plutocrat puppet masters.

You and I may agree on the long term goals. But there is an election in 14 weeks or so and I don't want things to get worse before they get better.

Peace

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

When is the right time time to do the right thing? Not now, is another way of saying never. Fear of tyranny controls you decision, and tyranny controls your fear. An endless loop. Break out!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I am doing the right thing. And I ain't afraid. What is it you think I ain't doin'? and what is it you think I fear?

[-] 0 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

It's okay to smoke dope if you don't inhale.