Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr

Forum Post: Will GOP Dump Romney? (Time's running out)- Pawlenty? Bring him on!

Posted 8 years ago on July 20, 2012, 3:26 p.m. EST by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY
This content is user submitted and not an official statement


Prediction: Romney Will Not be the Republican Nominee Posted: 07/18/2012 4:42 pm

Darrell Issa , Mitt Romney , Tim Pawlenty , Cayman Islands Accounts , Retroactive Nominee , Amnesty , Michelle Bachmann , Swiss Bank Accounts , Politics News

No one who has received amnesty for a serious crime, such as tax evasion, can be president. One would think that someone for whom the clear implications are that he has received amnesty, but will not release exculpatory documents, also cannot be president.

As the press has been focused on what we now know as Romney's "retroactive retirement", that does not help him escape clear responsibility for his outsourcing strategy anyhow, I have tried to shine a light on the clearest, cleanest, unspinnable, problem with Romney's finances -- amnesty for his Swiss accounts -- suggesting that the Republican leaders, who dislike him anyhow, could not abide such a fatally-flawed nominee.

But, all I had on my side was logic. Why would he have closed only the Swiss Account when the Cayman/Bermuda accounts are also abusive tax havens, and he left those alone? Why would Romney have bothered to close the Swiss account at all? I deduced that what was special about his Swiss Account was the amnesty program allowed by the IRS. I also surmised that it was amnesty, more than anything else, that would keep him from releasing earlier tax returns.

Now, through investigative reporting, there is highly suggestive evidence that the logic was not wrong. Romney failed to disclose the documents he filed with the IRS in 2010, the year he has already released, that detail his Swiss Account holdings.

Hence, I am now prepared to go beyond my suggestions that the Republicans would not give him the nomination to a firm prediction: Romney will not be the 2012 Republican nominee for president. (He may be the "retroactive 2008 nominee" as Darrell Issa, who also cannot run for higher office due to his shady past, suggests).

Who will be? Before Romney is forced to withdraw, he will make a Vice Presidential selection, as an attempt to make it seem that his nomination is just rolling along, and is inevitable.

That person will have been fully vetted, (including his/her tax returns!).

I predict, therefore, that the Republican nominee for president will be the person Romney selects as his VP.

How ironic if that turned out to be T-Paw, who dropped out after losing to Michelle Bachmann in Iowa, (and whom Lawrence O'Donnell picked all along) becomes the 2012 Republican nominee for president!


Pawlenty? Bring him on! http://www.transportationissuesdaily.com/conservative-blogger-to-pawlenty-what-about-the-minn-bridge-collapse-on-your-watch/

Conservative Blogger to Pawlenty: What About The Minn. Bridge Collapse On Your Watch? Posted on May 26, 2011 by Larry Ehl Share on twitterShare on facebookShare on bloggerShare on googleMore Sharing Services Conservative blogger Nicole Gelinas of The National Review suggests that Presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota must “explain to the American public what he learned from the collapse of the I-35W bridge into the Mississippi in 2007. The bridge fell down at the end of Pawlenty’s first four years as the ultimate person in charge of the state’s infrastructure.” (Link to story.)

Gelinas notes that Barry LePatner, a top construction lawyer, wrote the following about the bridge failure in his 2010 book, Too Big to Fall:

“Yet there should be no doubt that inadequate funding was a key factor in MN/DOT’s decisions not only to call off the planned retrofitting of the bridge but also to forgo nondestructive testing that would have revealed the full extent of fatigue cracking on the bridge. And it was inadequate resources for remediation that led to the decision to put off until 2022 the deck replacement that would have added redundancy to the bridge. Moreover, it was not until after the I-35W Bridge fell into the Mississippi and killed 13 people that Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty gave up his previously unshakable opposition to raising the state’s gasoline tax, thus providing needed revenues for the financial starved MN/DOT.” Pawlenty should answer these questions, Gelina suggests:

Does he agree with LePatner’s assessment? (LePatner has previously helped write such potboilers as Structural and Foundational Failures: A Casebook for Architects, Engineers, and Lawyers.)

Does the former governor think that the bridge collapse was preventable, or should Americans expect such tragedies to occur without warning from time to time?

If the collapse was preventable, who or what should have prevented it?

Does Pawlenty wish that he had done something differently, as governor, in terms of prioritizing spending in the state budget to make money for infrastructure, and then making sure that the infrastructure money was spent well?

Was the I-35 tragedy a wake-up call for Pawlenty to pay more attention to aging infrastructure in his state? If so, how did he wring something positive out of the disaster?

What are Pawlenty’s suggestions to Congress on a new transportation-funding bill?

The National Review is widely read within Republican circles, and reporters are always looking for some possibly-controversial issues to raise. So it’s probably only a matter of time before Pawlenty gets some of these questions from an enterprising reporter.



Read the Rules
[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 8 years ago

I would love to see this guy fail at the republican convention.

It would be so sweet!

Fuck Romney. The guy is a 1% felon hell bent on fucking over the middle class.

[-] 2 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

The unlawful termination lawsuit that promises to blow up the Adelson prostitution stuff reconvenes on Aug. 30, which I think is after the convention. The pols of the GOP had better think hard and think fast as to whether they want to risk everything...

[-] 1 points by conservatroll (187) 8 years ago

Let's see. Romney has reduced his taxes as much as the LAW allows. You know, the LAWS that the Congress has passed and the POTUS have voted for and signed. Just how does this make him a bad guy/criminal?

[-] 3 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

That's all in question. Let me explain.

1- "Amnesty" means "stop violating the law , stop committing this particular crime and we'll forget about it." Now the post puts this question out there and a probable answer:

"Why would he have closed only the Swiss Account when the Cayman/Bermuda accounts are also abusive tax havens, and he left those alone? Why would Romney have bothered to close the Swiss account at all? I deduced that what was special about his Swiss Account was the amnesty program allowed by the IRS. I also surmised that it was amnesty, more than anything else, that would keep him from releasing earlier tax returns."

Then there's this:


And this bit about his mega millions IRA: http://dailyagenda.org/2012/07/17/patriotic-millionaires-demand-mitt-romney-release-tax-returns/

Patriotic Millionaire and former Google Software Engineer David desJardins (CA) says:

Mitt Romney owes a detailed explanation to the American public about how he got $100 million or more in his IRA, without illegal self-dealing. The Individual Retirement Account is a tool for Americans to save for retirement, something most Americans desperately need. If Romney took advantage of quasi-legal manipulations to use his IRA instead as a vehicle for hiding hundreds of millions of dollars from the IRS and avoid paying even the low 15% rate on his income, we should know how he did it and whether it was legal, or not."

It would have been virtually impossible for Romney to parlay annual contributions of $30,000 into over $21,000,000 to possibly $101,000,000 over a period of 14 years. It almost has to have been the result of illegal self dealing. He needs to release his complete tax returns to clear this matter up. Other candidates do it... http://video.msnbc.msn.com/politicsnation/48155151#48155151





[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 8 years ago

If I'm a birther, guess you are a taxer?

[-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 8 years ago

When it comes to Romney I'm a "truther." I want the truth about his taxes, employment history and history of his legal residences. I also look forward to lots of truth coming from the Jacobs lawsuit against Adelson, the next court date being August 30.

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 8 years ago

Oh puleeze. You wanna go conspiracy, and unfounded inuendo, let's talk about Obama. He has not just hidden his past, he wrote a fictional biography that MSM swallowed hole in 07. Maraniss' book blew away at least 38 'facts' from that book with ease.

Why is he hiding his birth certificate? I don't think he was born in Kenya, but there is something there. Like a bastard birth or Indonesian adoption.

What ever came of the breach of security on his, and after the fact, McCain's and Hillary's passport records at State, besides Lt Quarles Harris' cold case murder?

Just what is the story on his college applications? DId he register as a foreign student to get financial aid?

Where did all his papers go from the 7 years he spent in the Illinois Assembly?

Is BHO Sr really his father?Just what was the role of Frank Davis Marhall in his life?

What of his New Party membership?

So many records have been sealed and "lost". So these questions and more can never be answered. Let's just ridicule the folks who ask them. How dare they question the 2nd coming?

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

All Romney has to do is release his tax records including FBARs and if they are what they should be he willl have erased many of the notions people have about him.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

Well, then, all he has to do is release his tax returns for the past twelve years, as even most Republicans have suggested.

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 8 years ago

Because, no matter how O would like it, transparency is a two way street. But, the MSM dropped the ball so they could kneel before the Messiah and now cannot admit their error. All records that could out our Potemkin Prez have been destroyed or altered since he's had 3 yrs of CIA, FBI and anyone else needed to give him a new cover story.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

What does your fantastic conspiracy of silence have to do with Romney releasing his tax returns? Obama has done that. Honesty isn't quid pro quo. I'm no Obama fan, but if Romney wants to prove that he'll be a better president, releasing something so simple as his tax returns is a good place to start.

[-] 0 points by conservatroll (187) 8 years ago

Right, the ONE historical piece of Obama he has no reason to fear and hide;. He really has a hell of a campaign team, but then again, they managed to get a nobody elected 4 yrs ago.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 8 years ago

What does that have to do with Romney releasing his tax returns? Do you always evade direct questions? Honesty is not quid pro quo. If Romney wants to prove he is a better man, let him start by doing something so simple as releasing his tax returns.

Certainly, the only reason he would not, is because he has something to hide. Otherwise there should be no problems. I had to provide tax returns for a mortgage. For god's there's nothing mystical about tax returns.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Are you saying that Romney isn't releasing his tax records as part of some pissing contest with Obama?

[-] -1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 8 years ago

So now it's a "pissing contest" when the shoe is on the other foot!!!??

What embarrassing hypocrisy!!

What's it all about, Romney?

Are your Tax Havens too good to share?

Where's your tax returns, Romney?

Your "work" on the Olympics was so fine!


[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

obama and his wife each gave to each of their daughters, $13,000 tax free. that adds up to$52,000 , untaxed, which is legal under the current tax code. nothing wrong with that EXCEPT that obama said he doesnt pay enough taxes then there is hillary who said she had a $1000 and by just reading the wall street journal she was able to turn it into $100,000. riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Whatever, none of this is illegal and none of it is being concelaled by the Obama campaign. Romney stands before the public suspect. Suspected of illegally hiding money from the IRS with UBS in Switzerland. Suspected of lying to the FCC. Suspected of lying to the SEC. Suspected lf lying about his residence so as to commit voter fraud. This shit is against the law!!!! GET IT??? He can make this go away so easily. Release the tax returns and the FBARs. He might do well to reconsider his romance with Sheldon Adelson too. The lawsuit against Adelson comes back to court August 30. Could be it will link Romney to benefiting from prostitution via Adeslon.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 8 years ago

OK, so your analysis is flawless. When is the last time that the GOP took the rational, logical and fact based course of action? its' OK. I have lots of time. I know it was after movable type but not much after. But, it was before Newton and the gravity thing.

Hey a date isn't critical, can't we just agree it has been a while? Yeah, I am sure it was well before the kite and lightning thing.

By the way, the last to pick up on our idea that Mitt will drop out (I predicted that elsewhere on this site earlier. And, no, the kite and the dog incidents didn't overwhelm it) will be the MSM. It's because they are busy counting all of the glorious money they are getting from the Romney superhouligan funds for TV spots.

So, only the boutique press and bloggers will carry the word, until the checks stop cashing. So, thanks for a job well done.

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago

You have a great point thee- the media has a monetary motive to leave Mitt alone- unless they know that Sheldon and the Koch brothers will keep on keeping on for Pawlenty or whomever...

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 8 years ago

They probably won't guess. Wait 'til they get assurances, he said cynically.

Or fight?

[-] 1 points by fiftyfourforty (1077) from New York, NY 8 years ago


[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 8 years ago

Have you not heard; these days doing crime doesn't matter if your running for office. I mean like after all, what else is a politician going to do once he gets elected anyway?