Forum Post: Why people feel like this is a lost cause...
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 3:59 a.m. EST by Cayce
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We have different tools in the 21st Century. Protests and Movements had the luxury of trial and error before the movement got big enough to be recognized.
Today, you know within minutes what has just happened and what is going on so far. Everyone in the world can choose to be updated with OWS 15 times a day, and it is constantly changing.
People are quick to sum this Movement up into "pass or fail" when they feel something went wrong. Back then, you had to wait for the news in the morning or evening for updates or read about it in the paper the day after it happens.
This is gaining attention faster and support quicker than any other movement in American history. Trial in error? Most people do not allow for it. Especially when they link one or two incidents to everything that OWS stands for.
The internet provides a voice for everyone with access. Anyone who is on here posting has become an amature journalist. Did the majority of them go through college, internship and competitive job interviews in order to be designated with ability to write to the public? No.
What we have is people who sound intelligent writing about things that they are individually bias about trying to convince others to agree with them... and they are gaining support. This Movement is being criticized by the very people who are going to benefit from it when we make the Change in "votes-for-sale politics".
This is not about overthrowing our government. We have a system in place that can support the needs of it's people. We just are not using it. The common phrase is "playing politics" when this is Not a game. We are just numbers to the 1%. We are 300 million people in America who are potential wealth generators. They Love our numbers. They love how many of us there are. That's why they put money into politics that limit what we are able to accomplish and keep us from achieving the financial means to even jump through the loop-holes of the laws they just sold to our Government.
Government isn't bad. Not enough of something is bad. The money they have in their banks isn't Their's. It's the Peoples. The Economy would be fixed immediately if the 1% spent half of their money over the next 5 years. But instead they keep it in banks or in investments which leaves less physical dollars for the people, so more has to be printed to make up for it. When that happens, the dollar is now worth less, you are able to buy less, you get paid the same amount of money and the prices of everything goes up.
Wall Street is not the problem. The 1% of Wall Street is bad. Not everyone with hundreds of millions of dollars are buying off politicians... A few of them are. Wealth inspires innovation, and innovation generates Wealth. Having alot of money is not a bad thing, not spending it and using money to bribe is the problem.
All we are asking from the Wealthy who have turned their eyes towards manufactured bought-out power is this:
From this point on, stay out of politics. You have enough for several hundred years. We are asking that things change from "now on". That is not too much to ask. The people are changing. We are all slowly getting involved in Politics. You are pushing us to the point of having to take control back from you. Let it go. You've had your time.... now it's ours.
"All we are asking,,," . You are incredibly naive. We are talking about POWER which is NEVER granted..and by the act of asking you acquiesce to the notion that the elite are royalty. Power is TAKEN never granted. I'm not asking, I'm not pleading, I'm not begging....I am standing up and taking...it is that simple. You say government and wall street are not bad....what the fuck have you been smoking? They play us like pawns on a chessboard. Enough of this shit...I've heard this crap all my life. There are not many like me..and most will whimper along with you. But I prefer dying on my feet rather than groveling in the fuck'in mud....
Who in the world sees this as a lost cause? I don't see it. A very substantial minority of the is in support of OWS and the movement continues to grow. Most of the rest are not particularly hostile to OWS, they just never heard of it or care not to think about it.
Cayce you are the lost cause. We will pray for you/
If you really like to change things, please click the following link and start a campaign to get millions to sign it......Thanks.
http://www.change.org/petitions/members-of-congress-and-senators-fix-the-economy-and-balance-the-budget-now?pe=d4e
Defense Against the Psychopath (Full length Version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgGyvxqYSbE&feature=player_embedded
Psychopaths have been in charge too long. Wake up. Realise what you are dealing with. http://occupywallst.org/forum/family-food-gardens-this-is-the-solution/
Congrats ZeitgeistMovement. When most Americans have seen Zeitgeistmovie.com and perhpas we can see the whole movie in CNN and Fox things will change in America. Or start to change.
Don't worry, the injustice and family tragedies Wall Street has created in the whole planet will continue to fuel the Occupy movement as more and more people lose their jobs. There are 5 million people unemployed in Spain, 1 out of 5, and the number is growing month after month. Many still blame Spanish politicians, who have made it worse, true, but sooner or later the whole planet will focus their anger at the real criminals, those in Wall Street. It is not capitalism that has failed but the richest capitalists and the politicians they bought.
Corzine still hasn't been arrested and OWS says nothing about that. OWS is uninformed. Corzine and Strauss-Kahn will get away with their crimes in broad daylight because OWS is uninformed. Its right in front of everybody. Corzine proves OWS and 99.9999% of Americans are in a trance.
Everybody needs someone to blame but your choice is odd. You are criticizing a seven week old movement for not rallying around every problem and issue that is important to you and having a solution in place.
It is unreasonable to blame OWS for not solving the country's issues in any given time frame as they didn't create the problems. This movement may fall apart but it has been anything but a failure.
Lower your expectations and hit the personal pause button once in a while.
Can Social Threefolding be the answer to our problems?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_threefolding
Its a lost cause because there is no free speech..the truth about the warcrime commited by and for corporate intresets is suppressed.. And there is an obvious divide forming between the T baggers and the occupiers who should be putting their heads together.. The right is more left than the occupiers and the occupiers is more right than left..Only when free speech and every ones voice is heard can an informed decision be made.
OWS preaches free speech only for the fools that agree with a plan to sit in the park endlessly and refuse to nominate candidates for election.
Congressional budget process is crazy
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
OWS should be attacking the moronic, irresponsible budget process that is going to skyrocket interest rate and wipe out the dollar. This is virtual insanity that is topped off by the pompous arrogance of a raving maniac. When interest rates skyrocket which is inevitable it will destroy the 100%, not the 99%.
Do you really think we could get people elected? The strength of this movement is that it denies the corrupt political process. If we nominated someone for that corrupting position, we would lose half of our platform. I believe that a modified direct democracy is the future.
Sorry. Of course we could get people elected with the right message. The OWS message is ridiculous nonsense.
Americans ignore the insanity and incompetence of the government
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Let's begin with the budget and the squandering of trillions of dollars on more and more weapons. Only raving maniacs would create the American foreign policy and defense policy. Americans do it with a straight face as if they were sophisticated and educated people.
The economists and bankers in America have created policies that allow and promote wild gambling with derivatives that they claim are complex as if they worked. They worked to destroy the banking system and put 50,000,000 Americans out of work with the globalization policy that is nothing more than simple slavery of Chinese workers. That slavery is hidden behind the bogus claim that China's currency is too strong. If China allowed its currency to rise in value to the dollar, the US debt they own $1.137 trillion (the same as it was in August 2010) would be paid back with half of what they loaned.
The Chinese government isn't stupid. They aren't going to take half of what they loaned. The American people are completely uninformed nitwits who have no clue that the government they believe can't be voted out of office with a 3rd party, would be gone if they heard what SCREWED AGAIN is trying to publish for them.
The ignorance and incompetence of the American government is displayed by the liars that divert attention to 9/11 every day. The American people refuse to hear about and understand the evidence that proves clearly the 9/11 was a direct attack by Bush who was warned officially more than 40 times and chose to use the Al-Qaeda attack as a false flag for the incidents revealed by SCREWED AGAIN.
This is gaining attention faster and support quicker than any other movement in American history.
Now that's hyperbole. The CIO organized 5 million people in 10 months in 1936 and 37 and half a million people defied existing property rights, sitting down in the plants, factories, offices and stores where they worked and refusing to budge until the boss negotiated with them. Now that's what I call an occupation, and even that is not the biggest popular movement the nation has ever seen. That honor goes to the Populist movement of the 1880s and 90s.
Those people formed unions to fight the robber barons. OWS is sitting in the park whining and wimping. Your statement is ridiculous nonsense.
You refuse the advice of a seasoned pro. That's me. Read my blog and my book.
Actually, by the time the CIO came along most of the Robber Barons were long gone and American industry was increasingly corporatized. And as is true today, the opponents of the CIO called the sit downers and CIO militants a bunch of whiners and whimps. And the called those participating in the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which began the racial integration of public facilities whining whimps.
BTW I'm 68 years old. If I get any more seasoned I'll be pushing up daisies.
All nonsense.
Persnally, I do think it's nonsense that while they're pushing for change all social movements are viewed as a bunch of rag tag ne'er do wells whining about a condition that they themselves created. Then, after several of them have met a violent death, the mood of the nation changes and some small measure of what they were really after becomes a political reality, they are treated like heros.
I'm talking about now.
Joe Paterno proves Americans are creeps read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Joe Paterno allowed a kid to be molested. When a kid is being molested you don't report it to a college president, you report it to law enforcement. For law enforcement to now protect Joe Paterno from the same justice they are pursuing with all of Paterno's staff involved in the molesting incident because Paterno won or lost football games proves that the American people are nasty, stupid, and ignorant creeps.
The fact that the American people allow the entire government to be bribed on the record because they call bribes "campaign finance" is glaring proof that Americans are irrational. They laugh at the jokes by SNL, Jon Stewart, and Steven Colbert while they ignore the reality of those jokes.
Casey Anthony alleged being molested by her father but the Florida State Attorney refuses to prosecute George. George Anthony on the witness stand gave evasive answers when he was confronted for molesting Casey but he isn't being prosecuted for perjury either.
The Florida State Attorney knew that their evidence of the duct tape was rearranged by them for their attempt to execute -- murder -- an innocent woman who was the victim of her father's molesting. Only creeps do that. Then the media lied every day to convince their vast audience that Casey murdered Caylee. Only creeps do that.
Most of the time, as Emerson put it, people do live lives of quiet desperation. They are often not especially brave and often not especially proud of that fact. What is exciting about Occupy Wall Street is that the movement is a demonstration and manifestation of the fact that in very small pockets that apathy and that fear is gradually turning around.
Gradually is an excuse for losing. Screw Emerson too.
I'm pretty unsentimental when it comes to politics or life for that matter, but I have to admit that the way people interact in the Occupy movement moved even an old skeptic like me. It's more revolutionary than the old Marxist shibolith of granting to each according to their needs and more akin to really living the golden rule, really loving each other on a day to day, hour to hour and minute to minute basis.
Its only the attention of 10,000 people willing to sit in a park and whine. Liberals have no clue about fighting a vicious crime family that is ripping off 70% of America. The conservatives are too stupid to understand anything.
Call me a troll, you dummie.
How about radicals, which is a much more dominant political tendency within OWS than is liberalism or even progressivism.
You use nonsense terms. They are arrogant uninformed whiners sitting in the park claiming success. 70% of Americans are pissed off. There are only 25,000 park sitters compared to 250,000,000 pissed off Americans.
A good deal more than 70% of the population is pissed off and exactly the same thing that OWS is pissed off about and a very substantial minority of the American public actively supports the Occupy movement. Of course there are public differences of opinion about this, but that is what political debate in an open society is all about. The very fact that the Occupy movement has energized any political debate, even about its own legitimacy is, in and of itself in a democratic society a good thing.
Reply back in 8 months.
Am I pissed off at OWS for its failure? You bet.
Quick? It took me 6 trips to the park and hours on this forum to know that OWS is formed by uninformed, liberal wimps sitting in the park, refusing to choose leaders they need to nominate for election.
Am I pissed off at the OWS arrogant nonsense that is guaranteed to destroy its own protest viability. There is no goal. OWS is proud of their own ignorance.
OWS is a disorganized unruly mob of shiftless protesters that has been reinforced by union and organized labor thugs. Furthermore, they have no coherent ideas, only grievances.
OWS is a useless clutter of dirty strays can only parrot the anti-American drivel from the likes of far-left outfits like Move-on.org, George Soros, big labor bosses, socialists, and outright communists.
Those occupying Wall Street and other cities, when they are intelligible, want less of what made America great and more of what is damaging to America: a bigger, more powerful government to come in and take care of them so they don't have to work like the rest of us who pay our bills.
I do not disagree with you fully. There is a lack of direction, and a lot of generalizations and finger pointing.
Some people will see a beautiful forest and think "that is perfect". Others will look at that forest and see potential for residential houses and a bunch of timber to sell.
I am looking at a forest with nothing but stumps left where half of the people protesting the new construction are saying "plant new trees" while the other half are saying "You cut down these trees, so we won't let you build here".
Half the people in here want something new to grow in politics, while the others want to punish those who were involved in destroying the forest. There are a lot of angry people out there, and the ones who really care about preserving the beauty that once was are not even aknowledged.
OWS wants this to be a nursery school with fairy tales. I don't tell fairy tales. the liberal wimps are whiners sitting in the park talking about the constitution and bullshit. This is politics. George Washington would have shot all you wimps.
You asked, WHY. I'm telling you why.
A lack of direction? There is absolutely no direction. OWS is flailing around because they are a body of uninformed people who are clueless. They are angry for the wat the privileged bastards have ripped off America but OWS has no clue to use a strategy that would elect people in a total landslide. They are in the trance with 99.9999% of the entire country. They are too arrogant to seek advice from a knowledgeable, experienced person like me who knows how to expose and destroy the fucking crime family in congress.
Congressional budget process is crazy
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
OWS should be attacking the moronic, irresponsible budget process that is going to skyrocket interest rate and wipe out the dollar. This is virtual insanity that is topped off by the pompous arrogance of a raving maniac. When interest rates skyrocket which is inevitable it will destroy the 100%, not the 99%.
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Americans ignore the insanity and incompetence of the government
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Let's begin with the budget and the squandering of trillions of dollars on more and more weapons. Only raving maniacs would create the American foreign policy and defense policy. Americans do it with a straight face as if they were sophisticated and educated people.
The economists and bankers in America have created policies that allow and promote wild gambling with derivatives that they claim are complex as if they worked. They worked to destroy the banking system and put 50,000,000 Americans out of work with the globalization policy that is nothing more than simple slavery of Chinese workers. That slavery is hidden behind the bogus claim that China's currency is too strong. If China allowed its currency to rise in value to the dollar, the US debt they own $1.137 trillion (the same as it was in August 2010) would be paid back with half of what they loaned.
The Chinese government isn't stupid. They aren't going to take half of what they loaned. The American people are completely uninformed nitwits who have no clue that the government they believe can't be voted out of office with a 3rd party, would be gone if they heard what SCREWED AGAIN is trying to publish for them.
The ignorance and incompetence of the American government is displayed by the liars that divert attention to 9/11 every day. The American people refuse to hear about and understand the evidence that proves clearly the 9/11 was a direct attack by Bush who was warned officially more than 40 times and chose to use the Al-Qaeda attack as a false flag for the incidents revealed by SCREWED AGAIN.
It will be a lost cause because OWS are uninformed people who are too arrogant to seek help from me with a depth of knowledge and experience exposing the big shots. Read my book and learn the real deal. Its on my blog.
Congressional budget process is crazy
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
OWS should be attacking the moronic, irresponsible budget process that is going to skyrocket interest rate and wipe out the dollar. This is virtual insanity that is topped off by the pompous arrogance of a raving maniac. When interest rates skyrocket which is inevitable it will destroy the 100%, not the 99%.
You are a straight up nut job.
I wonder how you would be received taking your point of view to an occupy. we can only make an informed decision with all the information freely available. Good blog i think your onto the real culprits.
I've been trying with all my might to tell the OWS. I'm a successful salesman. I never sold things to anybody because I insulted them. But I had an unlimited list of prospects. OWS is one unit. It is controlled by the GA. They refuse to hear anything that questions their own ridiculous nonsense. I came to the park 6 times. They are going to listen to Glen Greenwald for 2 hours on 11/8.
If they gave me 2 hours, the OWS would get the knowledge we need to save America. Compare my blog to Glenn Greenwald on Salon. You be the judge.
You have an agenda. You want to be a politician and get elected. We have plenty of your types. Get lost, fool.
i would be more inclined to listen if you could stop insulting me and being an ass hat. :) we all know inflation is an issue.
Do you know that the entire congress and Obama are nitwits squandering our money? Then why doesn't OWS destroy the congress so OWS can replace it?
That's the reason for elections. Did you know that too?
steve you obviously have a lot of information and a position you stand on. i too am an ass, but you need to own it and control it to the degree that others can hear what you are saying. people do not hear very well from a defensive position.
Try this Richard.
Americans ignore the insanity and incompetence of the government
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Let's begin with the budget and the squandering of trillions of dollars on more and more weapons. Only raving maniacs would create the American foreign policy and defense policy. Americans do it with a straight face as if they were sophisticated and educated people.
The economists and bankers in America have created policies that allow and promote wild gambling with derivatives that they claim are complex as if they worked. They worked to destroy the banking system and put 50,000,000 Americans out of work with the globalization policy that is nothing more than simple slavery of Chinese workers. That slavery is hidden behind the bogus claim that China's currency is too strong. If China allowed its currency to rise in value to the dollar, the US debt they own $1.137 trillion (the same as it was in August 2010) would be paid back with half of what they loaned.
The Chinese government isn't stupid. They aren't going to take half of what they loaned. The American people are completely uninformed nitwits who have no clue that the government they believe can't be voted out of office with a 3rd party, would be gone if they heard what SCREWED AGAIN is trying to publish for them.
The ignorance and incompetence of the American government is displayed by the liars that divert attention to 9/11 every day. The American people refuse to hear about and understand the evidence that proves clearly the 9/11 was a direct attack by Bush who was warned officially more than 40 times and chose to use the Al-Qaeda attack as a false flag for the incidents revealed by SCREWED AGAIN.
I'm starting to feel you homie!
OWS banned me from the NYCGA forum.
OK homie. I'm serious as a heart attack. Read my book and see how I dealt with these bastards. I could destroy them in no time flat if you get your OWS friends to listen.
Your on, what can I do?
Send the link to my blog to your entire email list. Recommend it on Facebook. Use your computer skill (which I have none) to spread the word. That's why I'm on this forum spamming my posts to as many people as possible.
Keep in mind that George Washington did the impossible only on a horse and with a musket.
You have friends with computer skills. Start a pyramid. Tell the NYCGA to lift its block on me.
Thanks for trying. This is worse than the Titanic. Let's not sink into the freezing ocean together. I need for the crew to storm the bridge and take the wheel.
Consider it done! Thanks for mentioning my favorite president!
I am disgusted with your arrogant, ridiculous, nonsense. I don't pander and lie. I have no more patience so I'm going to tell the truth. Call it an insult because it is an insult. This isn't nursery school. I don't tell fairy tales to babies.
OWS is fighting vicious criminals by sitting in the fucking park like fools.
and you're right here with them. way to set the bar. when you get serious, i will help you get more exposure.
I've been dead serious since this began. I ran to the park to try to help.
They sit there with signs and whines.
Thank you. We'll all benefit if you are successful.
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