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Forum Post: Why is anything related to or pertaining to Zionism deleted

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 2:23 p.m. EST by silverspider (33)
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This topic is very relevant to today's struggles and injustices....remember folks, the Israeli Lobby has a very strong influence (stronger than most realize) on who is voted into office....in addition, why are we giving +3 billion a year in military aid while our economy in the US is sinking into the sewer?

Why do the moderators let the Hasbara Megaphone boys say and do whatever they want on this forum? They slander muslims and christians all day long...what makes judaism any better? It makes you question the motives behind the OWS protests/movement - are they genuine? It also makes you wonder who is behind the curtain?

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[-] 2 points by TheBatman (2) from Independence, KY 3 years ago

because this is about OCCUPY WALL STREET not 'lets let every hater and yahoo with an ax to grind speak on it'

want to spread hate? you have free speech, and there are forums for that.

want to participate in the occupy movement? then stop trying to undermine it and get to work.

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[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Yet many bankers hide their fortunes in Israel and support Israel's IDF - their military...so it is relevant. Also, our tax dollars (3 billion plus) go to Israel during the midst of the most brutal recession since the Great Depression....you need your head examined if you think zionism is not a relevant topic...

[-] 0 points by FreedomInTruth (1) 3 years ago

The only ones who are undermining this movement are those who censor pertinent topics of discussion. The problems in this system are a lot more complex than your myopic mindset has led you to believe. To stifle open discussion is to stifle this movements ability to enact true change.

[-] 1 points by TheBatman (2) from Independence, KY 3 years ago

the fact that david icke thinks george bush is actually an alien reptilian wearing a human skin is not relevant. the fact that alex jones is a fascist sympathizer is NOT relevant. the fact that dopes want to take the space to hate jews, or blacks, or anyone, is NOT relevant. all it does is clutter the message, and let our enemies quote idiotic posts as if that is what OWS is about.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

who the hell are you to decide for the rest of the 99% what is and is not relevant? rolls eyes and shakes head

[-] 1 points by FreedomInTruth (1) 3 years ago

Who the hell mentioned David Icke or Alex Jones? I know it wasn't me. This post is about Zionism. If you want to turn a blind eye to those who really pull the financial strings in this world go right ahead. Just don't expect to change anything because you won't be getting to the root of the problem.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

David Icke is a strawman-does not represent what Zionism is, and you, sir, are purposely avoiding the issue. In your words, what IS OWS "all about?"

[-] 0 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

Get to work means creating a space in which the free exchange of ideas and information can take place so as to truly determine, identify and rectify the problems and the causes that have created the need for this movement.. Anyone that thinks we can dismiss zionism from this equation is politically and historically retarded.. or NEFARIOUS in their intent.. i.e. this, like Fawkes news stated, is a movement aimed at the SUBTERFUGE of any REAL and HONEST movement!

[-] 2 points by TheBatman (2) from Independence, KY 3 years ago

free speech means you are free to create your own hate spewing forum elsewhere, not that you are free to dilute our message with that crap here.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

And you so not speak for me, so this invective of yours is personal, not some official statement that reflects OWS. Apparently you do not understand the historical context of Zionism. I see zero hate in this forum except as is spewing from you. Classic Hertzl.

[-] -1 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

Batman-someone who wants to discuss Zionism is not a hater. Do you even know what Zionism is?

[-] 1 points by TheBatman (2) from Independence, KY 3 years ago

sure do, and oppose it. in the proper forum. this isnt it. and apparently most agree which is why such things are now deleted

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

Ok. But I see no evidence as yet of this topic causing deletion, actually. It has been referenced in other posts and forums I've been party to-some I've even pointed out where it's pertinent. So i'm having a hard tim understanding the relevance of your objection, actually. If someone wants to discuss Zionism-I think they should feel free to.

[-] 2 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

This is proof positive that this movement is total hogwash ZIONIST manipulation.. The communists are coming the communists are coming!

[-] 1 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

usually communism and zionism go hand in hand...sometimes indirectly but they are certainly connected

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

that's exactly what I was getting at.. ;~/

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 3 years ago

The blatant lack of the discussion you describe, reflects an obvious subterfuge.

[-] 1 points by Kevabe (81) 2 years ago

Because anti-semitic comments are racist!

[-] 0 points by Barkode (105) 2 years ago

then stop blaming the Arabs (= Semites) for 9/11. The Khazars (= NON-Semites) did it

[-] 1 points by Kevabe (81) 2 years ago

I do not blame the Arabs for 9/11 and never have, I blame Al Qaeda for 9/11. The first paramedic rescue worker/Hero to become a casualty of the 9/11 disaster at the NY Trade Center was an American who practiced Islam as his religion. The simple fact that some bankers happen to be of the Jewish race does not give you valid excuse to single them out and attack them by making anti-semitic gestures. Let me guess, you are wearing a brown shirt.

[-] 0 points by Barkode (105) 2 years ago

my point was that "anti-semitic" means anti-Arab and NOT anti-chosenites, which are Khazars with no (historical) connection to Palestine ..

[-] 1 points by Kevabe (81) 2 years ago

Then take that up with Merriam-Webster!

Definition of ANTI-SEMITISM hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semitism

[-] 0 points by raines (699) 2 years ago

The Jews (Hebrews) have been in Israel for over 3300 years. Read about the Diaspora. David, Solomon and Saul were Kings of the Jewish Kingdom. The Jews ( Hebrews) are called "The Chosen People" because they were chosen by God to receive the Ten Commandments.

[-] 0 points by Barkode (105) 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvjTayq3Tuk

According to both the early-20th-Century popular historian H.G.Wells and the Hungarian-Jewish intellectual and author Arthur Koestler, amongst numerous others, the people known today as Jews are primarily the descendents of a Turkish tribe known as the Khazars. The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine. They converted to ÎJudaismâ between 620 and 740AD, and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the ÎHoly Landâ.

http://www.rense.com/general44/rightdo.htm

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[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

The posts I've seen on the topic seem to fall into two basic groups. They either push a disproved conspiracy theory like the protocols of zion or they are so over the top anti Jewish propaganda that it's almost laughable. You want to blame someone for the political and financial mess we're in look in the mirror, people have neglected their responsibility to stay truly informed for decades.

[-] 1 points by Edgewaters (912) 2 years ago

Yes, people like to spam this stuff on alt accounts then go "look! Look at the posts that are here!" ... and then when they get deleted they throw a tantrum, crying about censorship.

You can't win with smarmy kids.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

part of this lack of being informed is not seeing the connection between the creation of zionism and the creation of the banking system.. they are interconnected and work in tandem.. The Rothschilds are at the apex of the pyramid that is the zionist/banking empire.. Anyone that fails to see this connection or that fails to think that zionism is a relevant part of this mess and topic for discussion doesn't see the forest for the trees and is either extremely naive or severely misinformed.. :(

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

Why is anything related to or pertaining to Zionism deleted?

This whole thread should be deleted. It is full of vile anti-Semitism. Period.

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[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 2 years ago

What I posted is not antisemitic at all....there is no hate speech in calling out the Israeli Lobby and that 3 billion US tax dollars (during a recession) should no longer be given to Israel....there is nothing antisemitic about that. You seem to be pursuing the classic antisemitic rant in hopes that it will silence people - not only is this annoying but it's probably the easiest tactic to fall back on...why don't you try to state something original...why not add something to this very relevant discussion? I know some of the comments posted might be antisemitic but the spirit of the original post is not at all antisemitic...

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[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 3 years ago

Because they believe you are a lunatic. Personally, I'd let you post anything you want. Freedom of speech all the way, baby.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

Honestly. No one is fooled by all this anti-Semitism. The Occupy movement is 100% opposed to any form of anti-Semitism. That is very clear.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

anti-zionism is not anti-semitism.. however, there are a lot of people on this forum that have been duped into believing that zionism and judaism are the same thing.. and that then take it a step further to assert that anti-zionism is anti-semitism.. nothing could be further from the truth. Ask a torah jew from eastern europe that believes that using force and breaking the ten commandments in order to reestablish a jewish state is a violation and transgression against god's will that the temple be destroyed and the jewish people dispersed from the holy land due to their lack of adherence to the torah.. They're certainly not "anti-semitic" in these beliefs but they ARE anti-zionist!

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

Yes it is. Zionism used the way you use it is Jew bashing.

[-] 1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

Too often people use the term "Zionist" without knowing what they are talking about. Zionism, in the political sense is a movement started in 1897 by Theodore Herzl. The institutions established in that first Zionist Congress are still in existence today. You can learn all about this on the World Zionist Organization's web site. When I talk about Zionism, I try to be very specific.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

You fall for the Herzl line of BS? You really think it's a coincidence that Rothschild was fully involved in the zionist movement from the beginning? You really think Rothschild was playing second string to Herzl?? Puhlease.. That's not even fathomable.. Rothschild created zionism AND the "League of Nations" that created Israel.. ROTHSCHILD created Israel and Israel IS Rothschild.

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[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

I'm simply stating historical facts. I am aware of the Balfour Agreement with Rothschild, and etc. But that doesn't change the fact that the WZO has its origins with Herzl. For more information see: http://www.doingzionism.org/

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

just because they tell us Herzl was the founder doesn't make it so.. The fact is that part of the ability of the Rothschilds to maintain power lies in the obfuscation of that power that they accomplish by creating the illusion that other people are pulling the strings.. Once again, Herzl and Rothschild were both members of the original world zionist organization.. so I ask you.. do you reeeally believe that this is just coincidence? Do you really believe Rothschild was playing second fiddle to Herzl?? no way man.. The Rothschilds have had their hands in zionism since day one and no one has more clout of political and financial power to have accomplished the goals of zionism than Rothschild.. and that's just a fact.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Who is the current president of the World Jewish Congress? What role did he play in the privatization of the WTC?

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

But what most people fail to realize is that zionism means different things to different people, thus, it's not that specific. Zionism means something different to Israelis....How do you think the informed american tax payer (who sends billions over to Israel) feels about zionism? Palestinians also have a very different view of what zionism is. It means different things to different people....

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

I typically consider a person to be a Zionist if he or she openly advocates the existence of Israel as a Jewish state (as opposed to a secular democracy with universal suffrage), if he or she declares him or herself to be a Zionist, or if he or she is a member of a Zionist organization such as the United Jewish Appeal, The Zionist Organization of America, The World Jewish Congress, the ADL, etc.

Within the group we have extremes ranging from Albert Einstein to Michael D. Farkas.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 2 years ago

I agree with what you've said above but would add that evil corrupt zionists will go out of their way to lie, steal, kill and cheat with Israel's best interests in mind.

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[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I get the sense that the mass of Jewish people are almost as inconsequential to the ends of the Zionist extremists as are the rest of us. Herzl explicitly stated:

http://www.zionism-israel.com/js/Jewish_State_2.html

"However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed. It cannot be destroyed, because external enemies consolidate it. It will not be destroyed; this is shown during two thousand years of appalling suffering. It must not be destroyed, and that, as a descendant of numberless Jews who refused to despair, I am trying once more to prove in this pamphlet. Whole branches of Judaism may wither and fall, but the trunk will remain."

This is why I tend to quote these people at length rather than cite what is said about them. It is sufficient to let them speak for themselves.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 2 years ago

Yes, you are right...but they yearn for the average jewish person's support...yet they could give a rat's arse about the average jewish person's well being

[-] 1 points by vladimirdavidovich (9) 3 years ago

This is a sensitive topic. If we focus on the policies in force against Palestinians, and the support provided by the U.S. for those policies, we can have a more focused, and effective, plan of action on this question.

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 3 years ago

Does anyone have a clue who is running the OWS movement ? Theres should be some transparency.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

No one is running it. The movement is leaderless. Every single member represents the movement on an official basis.

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 2 years ago

i was just curious as to how the movement decides on who and where they march and protest. I assume someone has to put the wheels in motion.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

O.S.I. Via Soros spawned it-google it. Nobody runs the movement. It isn't one thing. The pros who know how to use democracy against us-well, they run this website, and are mixed in the movement on the street. There's 1% of the 99 that works for THE 1% we are bitching about

[-] 1 points by Stopwar (8) 3 years ago

Zionists own this country and what you hate seeing happening to America is the effect of the zionist power control. Wall street, congress, the Fed, the media network, hollywood, foreign policies etc... all in their hands advancing their own agenda. Who dare to speak out against zionization of the US. It is a suicidal for politicians to take on the machine. American people have yet to wake up to these facts.

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[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

You are 100% correct. Israel treats our (USA) politicians like ugly redheaded stepchildren....it's pathetic....terrorists like Benjamin Netanyahu get close to 30 standing ovations when he comes to visit Congress....amazing that they salute this murderer and thief.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

Because it is way outside the scope of what the Occupy Movement is about. The Occupy Movement does not want to be in any way associated with anti-Semitism. When people bring up a "debate" about so called Zionism, it is almost invariably about Jew bashing. Quite frankly, I don't know why some sick people still hate Jewish people. It is sick - just as the Banking Executives were sick with greed and criminal behaviour. OWS is opposed to anti-Semitism and banking greed.

[-] 5 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

That's so ignorant it's incredible.. I am jewish by descent.. I am the furthest thing from anti-semitic.. I don't blame jews for zionism.. the jewish people are VICTIMS of zionism and zionism was CREATED by the banking families that are responsible for the injustices that created this movement.. it's not about their religion or race or anything like that.. it's about their MANIPULATION of society and even their manipulation of the jewish people!! Zionists want anti-semitism and even have historically gone so far as to do things in order to intentionally SPREAD anti-semitism because it helps them to "justify" their POLITICAL ideology.. and that's what zionism is.. a POLITICAL ideology.. Zionism and judaism are NOT the same thing! However, the ZIONISTS want people to believe that they are!! Equating being anti-zionist with anti-semitic is a zionist PLOY and to fall for it makes one completely naive and ignorant as to the real history behind the advent and institution of the zionist ideology.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 3 years ago

You sir, have a very serious responsibility to inform the many of what you know. May the most powerful of forces be with you. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

You obviously didn't read what I said. People often bring up Zionism to do Jew bashing, and you know it. To say Zionists want anti-Semitism is an anti-Semitic statement in itself. Zionists want a Jewish homeland. How can that be anti-Semitic?

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

That is so ridiculous it's laughable.. the only way you could say that is to totally not get anything I just said.. zionism is NOT judaism.. For one thing, judaism is thousands of years old.. zionism was created just over 100 years ago.. so in no way is zionism and judaism the same thing.. One is a political strategy and the other is so many things OTHER than that strategy.. So being against that strategy does NOT in any way make one against semitic people it makes one against that STRATEGY.. you just want to CHANGE the nature of what is being said in order to bat it down.. i.e. you're creating a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT which is a logical fallacy based upon it's irrelevance to what was actually said.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

Strawman argument? I am not trying to play games, or saying things just to win a debate. I really believe in what I say. The whole issue of "Zionism" is outside the Occupy Movement's scope. However, it is an important issue.

For me, the word Zionism means one thing - the desire to Jewish people to have a homeland, nothing else. It is being often misused as being somehow evil, in order to bash Israel and the Jewish people. That is anti-Semitism.

I am fully aware that there is a Palestine Israeli conflict, unresolved. I have sympathy for both sides, and I wish it could be solved. Attacking the Jewish people by using terms like "Zionist" in an incorrect or worse, insulting, way is not helpful.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

you are extremely naive.. and you distort everything that's said in order to fit what's being said into your own distorted and naive construct of reality.. simply using the term zionist is an attack on jewish people?? you're out of your mind and out of touch with any semblance of reality if you really think this way.. either that or you're an unabashed zionist sympathizer up to the typical "woe is me" manipulative tricks.. and it doesn't matter what you think zionism is.. that doesn't mean that it is what you think it is.. saying it's simply about the jews having a homeland is a total warping and watering down of the reality.. zionism, in its present form is about believing that the holy land that is foundational to ALL the abrahamic religions should belong solely to the jewish people.. it's an advocacy for the unification of church and state and the creation of a racist apartheid regime.. and it's about the warping and reform of judaism from a religion into a form of racism and nationalism.

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[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

O thank you so much for saying that. You're right, preceding comment is thr most contradicting statement i've seen today. Everyone-please take a second to review how to avoid being slandered as anti-Semitic when discussing the crimes OWS is protesting http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-413890. There is more value on that forum than first meets the eye.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Zionist bankers Warburg and Rothschild supposedly funded Hitler and the Nazi Party early on.....

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

So what? They couldn't tell the future any more than the rest of us. A lot of people thought Hitler was good for Germany in the early days.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

Go back and read Herzl's diary where he said things that Hitler paraphrased and carried out decades later.. Herzl's PLAN was to empower outwardly anti-semitic people.. and to SPREAD anti-semitism in order to convince the jewish people that the only solution was an apartheid jewish only state.. i.e. "a land without a people for a people without a land" That statement is not jewish.. That statement is ZIONIST.. and the way to convince the jewish people that this was true was for them to make life HELL for the jewish people all throughout Europe until they would become convinced that this "was the only solution".. You don't realize that there are many jews like me that are anti-zionist precisely because we see that our "enemies" have always secretly been the top 1% of the most influential zionists who have been plotting to control the jewish population through eugenics and psychological programming based around trauma and fear! The jews, like the rest of us Americans, are all victims of their leadership and it's manipulations and lies!

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 3 years ago

They CREATED the future.. you're totally naive.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 3 years ago

In what sense? I assume we are talking of future from the point of view on the 1920s and 1930s. Are you saying that they cause what is recorded as history, or that they fabricated history, and certain things recorded as history never happened?

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

in the sense that they instigated and funded both sides of every way in order to gradually bring the entire world into a one world government in which every nation was bankrupted and in insurmountable debt to these criminal banksters/war profiteers.. They also have built up powerful propaganda machines in order to control public perceptions so that they can manipulate us towards their desired ends.. Rothschild has been working on using and building this propaganda machine since the french revolution when he had the best "courier service" in europe.. this courier service controlled the flow of information.. he used this power to deceive the English stock market into believing that they had lost the battle of waterloo, causing the stock market to crash, at which point he bought up the entire bonds and commodities markets taking control of the English empire in a single day.. Hence Napoleon's famous expression, "The pen is mightier than the sword"

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

OK I thought you might have been talking about Germar Rudolf, et al.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

you meant to say this....a lot of zionist folks thought Hitler would be good for establishing Israel....which is what he and the zionist bankers (who initially funded him) did....they set out what they had intended to do....establish a "Jewish Only State" - Hitler provided them with a reason

[-] 0 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

silverspider. you said "a lot of zionist folks thought Hitler would be good for establishing Israel".

That has to be one of the horrible statements I have ever read. If that is free speech in the US, I wouldn't want it elsewhere. Repeat that statement in Germany, and you would face a 10 year jail sentence.

[-] 1 points by TruthNotCensorship (15) 2 years ago

well then you should do some research on the supposed founder of zionism, Theodor Herzl.. he is quoted in his diary as saying that "an honest idea came to him.. to attract outwardly anti-semitic people and use them as destroyers of jewish wealth" and this is the supposed founder of Israel!?? the fact is that zionism NEEDS anti-semitism to flourish.. the worse jews are treated throughout europe during the 40's and throughout the world today, the stronger and more compelling the idea that the jews need their own jewish state.. you just need to look outside the box and actually do some research on the anti-semitism of the westernized, christianize "jewish" industrialists that founded zionism and your jaw will hit the floor!

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 2 years ago

Strange, isn't it. I guess the zionists got the best of Germany...

[-] -1 points by Stopwar (8) 3 years ago

You're right.

[-] -2 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Frankly your antisemitism whine is bullshit. Isn't the killing of Palestinians antisemitism? How are whites governing in the Middle East not antisemitism? Most jewish folks are not true semites...meaning they do not have arab blood in them. They are of communist Russian or European origin. This is a fact. Also, Zionism is not jew bashing....I guess your ok with Israeli policy affecting Americans...sending Americans to war in the middle east to die....also, our tax dollars are going straight to Israel = billions at a time...Why is it ok to bash muslims and christianity on this site? What makes Judaism superior and free of criticism?

[-] 2 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

It is not OK to bash Muslims, Christians or anyone else. I will attack anyone who wants to bash Muslims or Christian equally as I would those who are anti-Jewish. Furthermore, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Occupy Movement.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

YOU are the authority?

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Zionism has nothing to do with anti jewish....that's were you are mistaken....I don't support Israel, the zionist banking cartel (i.e. Wells Fargo, Rothschild Investment Bank, Goldman, JPM, etc.), AIPAC, the ADL and so forth - this does not mean I hate jews or am anti jewish....And once again, please try to look through your blinders and see that this does have to do with the OWS protests/movement and all of today's injustices....for the simple fact that it keeps coming up on this message board means that it has some sort of relevancy to the people...

[-] -1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

Yes it does. Calling it a "zionist banking cartel" is definitely highly anti-Semitic. For your information, there are more non Jewish than Jewish Bank Executives around. I agree that these banks have been involved in bad practices. So have the others.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

I am not sure I agree with you.....the most powerful zionist bankers happen to be Jewish - Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Lord Rothschild, George Soros (hedge funds), Robert Rubin, Sandy Weill, Strauss-Kahn, John Stumpf, Maurice “Hank” Greenberg and many others....what you consider antisemitic is just a simple observation....

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 3 years ago

Of course. Many of these are certainly part of the banking gang are after. For me, religion doesn't come into it. Individuals and their actions are what counts, not what religion or even country they come from.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

The entire Jew/non Jew thing is a fiction trap. Here you both are framed inside it-losing. Avoid it entirely. Discuss the CRIME. Hertzl et al have poisoned the memes so thoroughly you can't go there. You lose before you start. Labels mean different things to different people. And crime-is crime. Start over. http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-413890

[-] 1 points by SoldOut (150) 3 years ago

I wonder why we give them anything. What is their net worth?

[-] 1 points by NLake72 (510) 3 years ago

<edit> I deleted my diatribe. I can boil it down quite a bit. For what it's worth, you, them, they... I have thought a lot about this over the last couple of days. I'll make it right and repost. Yes. This issue needs exploration, and we may not like what we find. Healthy fear of racism and bigotry is the root cause of my disinclination to pursue "Zionist" theory. But, I'm DAMNED curious now... It took me a few hours to get up the courage, but I'm curious. That's the pursuit of truth, thank you for leading me to a path of sorts. Despite my three college degrees and liberal background, I think this needs more research. Other people have done that work, and their conclusions are a current topic of discussion... We have be open-minded in our search for whatever truth is there to be found... <sigh> Yes. Let's hear it, let's explore it, let's really get our brains dirty. We can't shy from these questions, and we can't deny answers when we find them. I tend to put forth more energy on topics I can endorse with ease. That's not our civic duty, and it's not the intellectual standard I would accept from anyone else. Being one of them, I'm not entirely convinced the common man can handle the truth, because folks, I'm pretty good at suspending my disbelief. The Israelis put a ton of money into our political system, that's buying influence, and I'm not sure who is pulling the strings, or how long it's been going on, or if they are just one puppet master, or THE puppet master. Ok... I'm not sure if there are any solid answers or scholarly work on the subject, but my kneejerk anti-racism cannot stop me from putting on my hip waders and getting in the muck. OK! OK! FUCK IT! You got me... You... dirty guys. You and your darn conspiracies... Sheesh. Ok. Let's see how deep this rabbit hole really goes...

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

You are right to disregard the term "Zionist". In the modern context, it is simply Jew bashing. Zionism is quite simple. In the original context, it was Jewish people wanting their own homeland. In the modern context it just means "Jewish treachery", in other words, pure anti-Semitism. If you see people using the word "Zionist", they are more than like anti-Semiitic. They are no different than the worst of Jew haters in Kaunas and such places.

[-] 1 points by NLake72 (510) 2 years ago

Well, I'll say this. I carry love for my fellow man in my heart. But, I carry truth in my brain, which is where I carry my "self." I have to be willing to cast out part of myself to make room to new knowledge, and that's never an easy prospect for anyone. It's a very scary, very painful, very... exhausting process, and sometimes there is no clear answer at all. I'm still a mere student of the world, when I thought I was master of all I surveyed. Thank you people for budging me off my dead center, over the edge, and... into the rabbit hole. I'll suspend my disbelief, and I will suspend my deepest held ideas in pursuit of new ways of seeing the world. But yes... If what we do is not for the love of our fellow man and the planet? I don't think the knowledge is very... Useful? I'll look at this, carefully, with a skeptic's eye, as we all should, in all matters. I'll be back in a few days when I've had time to digest all of this. And... thanks to everyone working so hard in this revolution of ideas. I was shown that site a long time ago, but by a bigot, and I just factored it out on those grounds. However, this deserves a fresh look, I will consider it all over again.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 2 years ago

@Nlake72. I can see you are a good person. You should always investigate anything you want, but with a clear mind. Remember that there are peope out there saying stuff they don't genuinely believe in. I like Stalin's daughter's ideas that said that there are not capitalist people or communist people, rather good people and bad people. She is absolutely correct. We should follow the good people and not the bad ones.

[-] 1 points by NLake72 (510) 3 years ago

Grrr... I hate learning. Learning hurts. I'm not sure if anything is here, but I'll learn it, and weigh it's value, for better or worse... Gimme a few days to do my homework. This site has a lot of homework involved with it. It's our civic duty to be well-informed voters.

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[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 2 years ago

I'm amazed you don't already know the answer.

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[-] 0 points by ShroomyMcGee (3) 3 years ago

The protocols were RIGHT!!!

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 years ago

the conspiracy is simpler if one approaching it in

the number of weapons produced sold and used by the united states

the weapons industry just like the cigarette industry is interested in maintaining it's market

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[-] 0 points by w9illiam (97) 3 years ago

I see more anti jewish propaganda on here than anything. It sure is sad that the jews always become the scapegoat anytime something is wrong. It is also worth noting that more americans support Israel than not. How is it that people think the smallest minority in the world own and control everything. Ted Turner Owns cnn and msnbc and he is not jewish. The Royal Family of England are Depopulationists and have a huge influence over American Politics again not Jewish. Saudi Oil giants owened and controled by the Royal family of Saudi Arabia have enormous control over gas Prices they hate Jews. Donald Trump owns 1.5 billion Dollars in Real estate just in the Greater New York area not Jewish. THe BUsh Family Oil lovers not Jewish. The List Goes on. You must be getting your information from Neo Nazis and the PLO. I have yet to see a post onhere about Muslims declaring World Wide Jihad against the west and Israel witch they have dont deny it. I havent seen any postes about the Catholic churches influence on American politics witch they have. Why are the jews the only bad guys.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

That first sentence IS RICH. "Jews", as if there is such a thing, invented the very first Scapegoat! Leviticus-and it's their oldest and most used trick in the book. Go back and study THAT. Everything going on in the world of war is a false-flag scapegoat induced FICTION. This is so ironic it's beyond words.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

Your post proves itself wrong. It is a post about Zionism and it has not been deleted.

[-] -2 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

It will be deleted Hasbara boy....just wait and see....these things usually take time

[-] 1 points by KnaveDave (357) 3 years ago

It should be because it is off-topic. If any Jewish individuals can be implicated in the crimes committed that brought our nation down, they should go to prison along with any others; but there is no connection between what happened and Israel. Three billion is a pittance, and there has been NO connection between Israeli banks and what happened to our banks so far. So, this reeks of the usual blame Zionism for all things. (I say this not even being a proponent of Zionism, but simply a proponent of fair treatment, for I don't support Zionism.) Thus, the issue is off-topic.

The U.S. supports MANY other nations besides Israel. Now, it may be that it should stop supporting all of them. In fact, I think it needs to take care of its problems at home right now, or it will bring great problems to the world. So, it probably should withdraw a lot of international support, because, if the U.S. goes down that will be far more destructive to other economies than the simple removing of international support here and there. I'm aghast that we're helping European banks when we cannot even afford the help we're giving to our own banks (even though we did start this problem). We'd better get the home fire resolved first, or the whole world will burn.

--Knave Dave http://TheGreatRecession.info/blog

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

If you go to the forum I reference you will see that we are discussing things relevant to Zionism, could easily have been deleted.http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-413890 but hasn't been. Is it showing in the right hand bar of the OWS site? No. Nothing stays there for long. Things just fade in and out...stream-of-consciousness-like. Hasbara -sure-o-plenty. Censorship-not directly. Democracy as it's applied to destroy our republic, is also being used here at ows.com to let everyone have their say-then they all get their own hidden culdesac. This is so no relevant topic ever gains momentum (that can be seen by US.). THEY are watching all the stats, we are teAching them what we know, they watch us learn. Bookmark your forum and then you can always find it. And you can refer others to it-help these scattered parallel processing attempts come together. But make no mistake-this is a flypaper op if ever there was one.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 3 years ago

I am guessing-because I had the same beef initially regarding "disappearance" of forums I felt were pertinent. What happens, by design, is that ALL old forums are pushed off the bottom of the screen by new ones that come in. No doubt some are deleted according to the rules-I think the larger problem is that because I have found no central list of ALL the forums -everyone gets their own little culdesac... No centralization of major issues. Agree or disagree? Anyone.

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 2 years ago

agree completely. it is great to educate, share ideas, etc. but this forum is almost pointless.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 2 years ago

Well, don't give up, because that's what they hope youll do. Practice responding to the hasbara spindoctors like KnaveDave below. Either he hasn't a clue, therefore you'd think he wouldnt waste space-OR he is deliberately misinforming. There is a DIRECT connection to Zionism and the central bank cartel that is a top down mafia controlling all banks ultimately, by way of fiat currency that is backed by nothing. Now, when you finally wake up to the truth of things, investigate the history, you learn that all roads lead to Rothchild-all but 3 central banks on Earth split off that main hive. We could sit back and just watch them (Jews) trash Jews so the OWS movement looks like an antisemitic rage fest, we could watch the likes of retdteddy and redskiesrising, redthisnthat rant about how communism is misunderstood and how violence isn't a bad idea afterall-martial law RULEZ!!! We could sit back and let that go. But someone has to maintain the line in here. There are lots of good people trying to understand-and YOUR post may be the only thing standing between them and total misunderstanding. Review the history that led us to this point, and how deep the problem REALLY is. http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/ be patient and make your points without anger-let the fools who are in a hurry to demonize out themselves for what they are.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

How long? What about making a deal. If it isn't deleted in three days, you stop talking about censorship?

[-] -1 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Deal....but wait...maybe you have some input into what is deleted and what is not deleted?

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

No, I don't. I'm just a forum user like you. So, deal?

[-] -1 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

OK deal....I will put my trust in you....but we should be able to bring issues such as this to the table without bashing groups or hurting people

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

All right. No more censorship talk unless this post gets deleted before 3 days time. You should be able to talk about anything as long as it pertains to OWS. If you want to spew anti-semetic nonsense you should find another site.

[-] 1 points by ScrewyL (809) 3 years ago

First of all, the deal was "If it isn't deleted in three days, you stop talking about censorship"

You then prematurely concluded:

"All right. No more censorship talk unless this post gets deleted before 3 days time."

However that was not the deal. The deal was that "in 3 days....", not "no more starting now"

Secondly, Zionism may very well pertain to OWS; we would have to discuss it to find out.

Thirdly, Zionism isn't anti-semitic bullshit. Jews will quickly and adamantly tell you that.

And finally, if the post gets deleted in FOUR days, that may yet prove censorship; there is nothing magically conclusive about three days.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

OK, you're right about everything except the last bit. Three days is not magically conclusive, but it's the deal sliverspider agreed upon. He could have proposed another time limit, but he didn't. But, yeah, you can talk about censorship for the next three days.

[-] 1 points by ScrewyL (809) 3 years ago

oh, I intend to...

I intend to.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

but zionism isn't anti semitic bullshit...

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

It usually ends up degrading down to boring and useless anti-semetic rhetoric.

[-] 0 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Well your right...it's starts a fire...understood