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Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 21, 2011, 1:46 p.m. EST by FrogWithWings (1367)
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[-] 4 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

THIS IS RIGHT ON. Until people realize how leaderless democracy, as well as two party democracy, is actually antithetical to the aims of restoring the freedoms OWS are demanding (possible only in a republic) OWS can only serve to usher in the final steps outlined in the Communist Manifesto-war between lower and middle class-for the benefit of the 1%. Pay attention folks! Leaders not a bad idea-it's the mob rule concept that keeps everyone from forming an actionable plan that will actually shift the current paradigm. Who won the Civil War? ENGLAND. New World Order? Hardly. This is Old World Order-500 years of carefully consolidated power-and a disorganized group of groups cannot change that without FOCUS to the FACT that we are a REPUBLIC (libera res publica-freedom from things public) and that democracy has been used to subvert and remove our liberties by giving every voice a claim to every other voice.. When there is no overt leadership there is covert leadership-that just plays into the hands, is directed by the same group currently running things behind the scenes. Order from Chaos. Thesis, Antithesis>synthesis. You let them frame OWS and until you break the frame-up, you are still doing their bidding.

[-] 2 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Its interesting that you refer to class warfare as one between those who lean towards the left and moderates or right wingers. Listening to a video of OWS members in Philadelphia I believe there was this great divide between those who believed OWS has no interest in free markets and those with libertarian leanings and I thought to myself, the elite do not have to confront groups like OWS because one large portion of americans will do it for them if they come to believe OWS is represents a communist or socialist agenda. There is nothing wrong with a socialist or even communist agenda within the system except in the US, Americans are naturally antagonistic to such leanings and don't much understand them never mind trust them.

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I agree and disagree. The frame up here is a very old one. As you say, the elite do not have to address OWS because there's several firewalls standing between the OWS street protestor and the rest of the country home watching it through through media controlled by the elite. The bulk of the "99" (I'll use this simplistic model for the sake of continuity) are unaware, and mostly indignant towards the fact that the only thing separating them from the street are some fictitious placeholders that can vanish at the stroke of a pen. The Congress are the trustees to the bankruptcy proceeding - The Fed was installed as the beneficiary of the bankruptcy. All roads lead back to The Bank of England-and from there, still further into a complex hierarchy of central banks that control all fiat currencies across the globe. You say "there is nothing wrong with communism or socialism-that it's not understood or trusted" that's where I disagree. Not trusted for good reason. Not understood by design. Marxism (socialism/ communism) is Bolshevism. People wouldn't swallow a movement called Bolshevism-furthermore a needed firewall to hide the history led to a marketing of Bolshevism as Communism/Socialism/Marxism. I'll refer to it all as Bolshevism-because that's what it is. Bolshevism (like MOST of the isms) was paid for and designed by the same international banking cartel we are dealing with today-The Rothchild Bank cartel. Everything about Bolshevism is a scam. It is the elite 1%, paying rag-tag street goons to overthrow the middle class, with bright shiny rhetoric that draws the have-nots into a battle against the only thing protecting them from outright extermination...the middle class can at least feed and emloy them-while the 1% is happy to have us destroy each other by way of the ignorance of the lowest (financial) elements of society. I have a job, I work hard, I know I'm being used. The erroneous concept I see is that somehow my position is weight upon someone beneath me-when in fact, I stand side-by side -ready to lend a hand and lift up anyone And everyone I can, by way of educating, and yes, employing them to assist in rebuilding a structure that is antithetical to fiat slavery. The radical Bolshevist (Marxist communist socialist democracy) is a divide and conquer movement...spawned by the 1% for the benefit of the 1%. We are a Republic-unless people realize that they can't pull this structure down without being crushed by it, we will all suffer the continued tragedy of tyranny and ignorance that brought us to this point. There IS nothing good about Communism-that's the problem -that's what we have-and splitting hairs along the 'ism line is just designed to defeat us. Do not allow them to define anything for you in terms of an 'ism. Review the history, study how we escape the matrix that is The Federal Zone http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/preface.htm

[-] 2 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Are you saying that the socialist democracies of Sweden, Denmark and Norway represent bolshevism? That is inherently incorrect! There are schools of socialism americans have no understanding of, they cannot conceive that you can have a high quality nationalized education and health system while still allowing room for capitalism in the market. You would call China communist and their social model is precisely that but not their economic model. Communist China now excels at capitalism which is the economic model they are utilizing in a communist state, this is why Forbes reports that

"The “biggest growth engine” this year is China. It now has 1.11 million millionaire households, nearly one-third more than a year ago when BCG counted 850,000 and nearly triple the 410,000 it found in 2005. While Forbes calculates that China has more billionaires than any country outside of the U.S." http://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2011/05/31/record-number-of-millionaires/

Americans have a very simplistic understanding of anything outside of the black and white left vs right paradigm, they don't understand coalition governments and they don't understand mixed systems. The mere fact that people labeled Obama a socialist was a joke, it indicates they had no clue what socialism really is. You say the US is a republic, but so is Denmark and Germany and France yet they've employed a socialist model in terms of social programs such as health, education and social welfare programs. Again as I said americans simply do not understand any of these concepts.

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

My task is to simplify all these ever widening points you make...all framed within the propagandized meanings of words people take to mean something. Whats the common denominator between Sweden Denmark Norway, and virtually all the other republics? They've all been dismantled from within by fiat money, controlled by a single, centralized banking mafia we may as well refer to as Bolsheviki Bankers (Rothchilds, and their many subsidiaries and partners). You prefer to tout one Rothchild weapon of chattel enslavement over another (socialism, communism, democracy) all the while ignoring that each of those models "Americans are simply unaware of-don't understand." is by design. And you know it. We are trained by the centrally operated corporate media from birth to think of our country as a democracy, a federation-as we slip farther and farther from the truth that is still there in our organic constitution. Lawfully and enforceably-for those who learn how to assert their rights-those who understand that the Federal Zone does not extend beyond D.C....those who understand what jurisdiction they are IN.

Our rights as sovereign individuals derive from ourselves, and are embodied in the constitution FOR the United States (a republic). First constitution. Read it. The second constitution Of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Inc.) is a fiction of the Feudal Federalists camped in D.C., established by The Bank of England(Rothchilds) who continue to perpetrate an intricate fraud against the people of this country, via The Federal Reserve (private Bank established by The Bank of England) and the IRS who enforce this crime.
Moving away from the republic serves only to tighten their grip. Is that clear?

[-] 1 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Absolutely not. These societies have not been dismantled and I don't know where you get the idea that they have, The truth is that they take better care of their citizenry than we do of ours and they have better barriers between corporate interests and the politicians who are the guardians of social welfare concerns and the common good than we do here in the US. Iceland realized this the hard way which is why one of their politicians remarked that they had made a mistake that no other Scandinavian country had by allowing corporate interests to privatize their banks which wreaked havoc within their system, bankrupting a country of great beauty and natural resources not to mention social equity and high employment. You say ALL sovereign rights derive from the people but I see this being represented much better within other systems and societies than here in the US. In this society it is only the wealthiest who can claim sovereign rights. Tell me exactly what sovereign rights do the homeless have? They cannot even vote. Get foreclosed on your home? You lose your sovereignty. What rights do you have if you lose your job? What rights do citizens have in this country once they become disenfranchised? All over the world wealth means power but it isn't demonstrated so well as in the US. In Denmark a show of obscene wealth is highly taxed yet they still maintain a better lifestyle than they do here without resentment. The attitude is that its in everyone's best interest for everyone to benefit from the fruits of society hence a high standard of equity protection for the average citizen. In Denmark society is beholden to make sure sovereignty is maintained for all by not allowing the indigent to fall through the cracks. You're not allowed to be homeless or go without education or health care. I agree with you about the Federal Reserve, I agree with you completely and its one of the reasons why I would vote for R Paul, so yes that part is very clear. What I do not agree with is being disparaging about alternative systems that work perfectly well in other countries. Its unnecessary to claim socialism is a matter of enslavement when they have more security and a better standard of living than the average american. Its pointless to note democracy when its better represented elsewhere and only given lip service in the US.

And yes I agree that this is all by design. Its frustrating, I am frustrated. So please don't think I am at odds with you.

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Ill rephrase. Dismantled from within= parasitic central bank installed, host infected. Your specimen socialist countries are infected by the Rothchild cartel. The host is currently, by your estimate, outwardly healthy. The individuals are not sovereign while they are enslaved by hidden forces, no matter how you spin it.

You cite the problems caused by our communist corporatocracy/bolsheviki bankster kleptocracy as somehow indicitive of a lack of intervention by the selfsame criminals.

How crass.

[-] 2 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

What does sovereignty mean to you exactly? Personally? How is it lived?

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I'll share that with everyone soon. Why do you prefer to ignore the crimes of a global banking mafia that has infected the lives of every person on the planet-directly, and indirectly, by way of fiat fraud?

[-] 2 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Oh no dear and I am sorry if I have given you that impression. I do not ignore it, I am quite aware of it, but what i was debating with you are political and economic models, their attributes how they benefit citizenry etc, how they work in different nations. The global banking mafia is something entirely different and not something you can attack directly and if you are well informed on this issue you know exactly why.

I mean after all the only thing we can do about that is collectively refuse to pay taxes and collectively refuse to use banks and just to put the nail on the coffin, there's a national election and no one shows up. Then its how time!

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

So glad we cleared that up, as all the problems we have had, and will have derive from the fiat fiction infection. The choice as to form in debating such issues, has a logic to it. Imagine if hospitals, instead of calling the cancer ward, CANCER WARD, decided that it would be impolite to focus on their worst attribute, kinder and gentler, to call the ward by the sum of it's parts. So all the doctors, by mandate, now must refer to the daily roll-call any time they address issues related to the CANCER WARD (I mean, the Hery Jones, Jacob Richards. Sue Wilson, Jimmy Waters, Larry Anderson, Penny Nichols, Wilbur Smith, Andrew Poindexter........ WARD). THAT is how you propose to debate me-when the issue is cancer, and I've stated it in no uncertain terms. You are now ready to face the facts.

But wait! You state that this cancer is untreatable. No direct route available. Just the impossible likelihood of everyone pulling the plug at once.

Seeing as how you have written the ending already, why don't you go ahead and share my plan with everyone. Be my guest.

[-] 1 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Well no there is a misunderstanding. Pulling the plug is my idea. I asked you "What does sovereignty mean to you exactly? Personally? How is it lived?" And you didn't give an answer, so I haven't a clue as to what your ending would look like at all. I have no idea of how you would address the issue. My idea of how you can withstand such a transcendent global order is radical, it can't be addressed any other way. I have no idea of what you have in mind.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Glad we've managed to arrive at something we totally agree upon. The answer is radical, in that there is no other way to describe an attempt to counter such a pervasive situation. However, my solution is not instantaneous, is not at all violent, is completely lawful, and will require similar discipline and patience, applied as publicly and collectively, as has been applied to (covertly) enslaving the globe, lo these many centuries. Nothing sustainable happens quickly. I'll refer you to any dictionary for the meaning of "sovereign.". Stay tuned to any channel as the new paradigm unfolds, to learn how I live it. You clearly have the necessary understanding of the situation at hand. This forum is not the venue i have in mind for releasing my plan. Still premature. We are gathering.

[-] 1 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

LOL! Sweet.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

:) :) :) One smiley face isn't allowed on this forum

[-] 1 points by Stephen (5) 12 years ago

RedTeddy, you have misused the word “capitalism.” Capitalism is laissez-fair; meaning an unregulated market place. Capitalism in one breath is – “you get to keep all the wealth you produce to use as you see fit.” Socialism and Capitalism cannot co-exist in the same society. You mean to say “Corporatism.” Sweden, Denmark, Norway and other socialist countries are corporatist countries in that there is a symbiotic relationship between private enterprise and government – government protects the enterprise and the enterprise performs certain governmental functions. On the other hand, Capitalism is a far right political ideology based on clear principles – constitutional limitation of government, rule of law, an unfettered marketplace. A far right extremist is one who is all of those things to the extreme. Anything to the left of this orientation is communist or fascist; the twin sisters of socialism. Since no truly Marxist or communist society has ever existed, all socialist countries of the past and today are of the fascist variant of socialism – fascism, that is to say, with a happy face. In other words, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, as well as Cuba, China, and Japan are de facto one party societies where government, working in partnership with corporations, produce and control everything that is important. Talk to a Swede or a Dane and you will discover that this brand of socialism is characterized by an almost religious state of infallibility. Using the phrase “common good,” every action of the state is justified. Everything has a political solution, even the existential plight of man. Reduce, reuse, recycle are no longer merely slogans. Capitalism, on the other hand, is the polar opposite of all these things. Government has no solutions; its only role is to protect individuals and associations of individuals as they endeavor to discover solutions. A capitalist understand that all solutions are ultimately solved in the marketplace, but only if the marketplace is free of force, fraud, and coercion.

[-] 1 points by redteddy (263) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Capitalism systems are not completely laissez-faire as practiced in the West, if it were there would be no taxation at all for anyone and all public investment would be voluntary. Cambodia practices true laissez-faire capitalism in that you can start a business and pay no state or national tax, what you make is what you keep. Denmark and Norway are socialist democracies, their social welfare programs are enormous and payed through their tax system, the more you make the more you're taxed. Cuba utilizes a communist system and Japan is a mixed economy. The system in Scandinavia is incredibly efficient and it shows in the day to day working in their society, they have no wish for an unregulated capitalist model and all of their political struggles are based on socialist variations but this 'religious infallibility' you refer to is incorrect. No Dane believes their government to be infallible, they take a keen interest in how their tax dollars are spent and are much more politically invested in their system the the average american (easy with a small country of only 5 million).

I don't have to talk to a Dane or Swede, I have lived there for many years. There is no homelessness, the standard of living is better than it is in the US and everything works whether it be their subway services, hospitals or schools.

[-] 1 points by BleeART5 (11) 12 years ago

Kinda neat how you managed to supplant BofLs reply to Stephen here, Red. Looks like ows is sporting some newfangled (walled garden) code.

Here's BofLs post: Beautifully said, Stephen. As I've debated various issues in the forums at OWS I've learned that a number of the red "entities" have multiple screen names. Dishonesty reigns supreme on this site. Your input is refreshing to see. Thanks for it-have a great day. On a personal note-as typing this on my phone at work -just ran into the mom of an old friend I hadn't seen or heard from in 25years-looked up from my screen and there she was. Such a great thing-I've often wondered about him and to make contact again-what a treat. Off topic I know, but connected:). Peace



[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

It amazes me that all of the problems, of which a huge majority complain, are in fact covered clearly, in plain English, in this Sovereign document.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago
[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I will study it and get back to you. It is amazing that The People of this nation seem patently unaware of our Constitution and the actual reality of it all.

I do have some questions about exactly what happened in Congress, in 1851 as well as how the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 ties in with it all, and all in with us.

I find it very interesting how perverted the language of it all has become, from the time the original document was written.

Your thoughts?

Are there any entanglements of which you are searching to sort?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I think you will find each and every question you cited answered directly and concisely in those 2 links. I have learned more from those 2 single links than all others combined -but had I started there I probably wouldn't have realized how important and how correct they were. So many ways to get entangled by the fake conspiracies, or minor conspiracies (9/11-minor, tragic, just false flag terror event #eleventy three and counting) that are designed to consume you before you figure out it's SO much bigger than the element you happen to be focused on. History lays it bare if you can possibly be patient enough to re-learn it. Outside the box-way out. Lots of disinfo and limited thinking going on in here. Lots of really good people trying to put it together. Keep rocking!!!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Have you filed your UCC objection or is it actually necessary to reclaim your rights as a sovereign and natural person?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Good question. When I get there Ill let you know as I understand it. I have been utterly distracted these last few days, but the first few chapters of this mans work are so excellent and I can't wait to get back to it.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I have discussed this with many of my brothers, some of which have been sworn to uphold both Constitutions and I am still unable to see how one can uphold both.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Well, I believe that's the nature of the CONundrum...there are many good folks, starting out good anyway-aim for a spot within the system hoping and believing the system works as we were taught-somewhere along the way it becomes clear that the shape is not as it seemed-and then what-abandon all the investment of time clawing their way up the ladder-don't know many men man enough to bail on it once the are solidly trapped between debt and investment. It's an ingenious old design-the money masters are wise old coots...will take much more than storming the Bastille this time-they don't live there (wallstreet). WS is a symptom and it can't be treated as the cause-that just harms the rest of us. Educating people who WANT IT NOW is a thankless task, but is essential. Rock on-enjoyed the conversation-hopefully others learn from it too.

[-] 0 points by TLydon007 (1278) 12 years ago

" FACT that we are a REPUBLIC (libera res publica-freedom from things public) "

Republic just means res publica, which means THING OF THE PUBLIC.

What kind of a revisionist scumbag would try to pervert it to mean the exact opposite. An unpatriotic one that hates America.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

And you, an Omissionist, clearly love America as portrayed-the pornified corporate fascist Marxist bankster klepto-democracy. Here's where you get off http://educationcenter2000.com/Articles_Folder/Who_is_Running_America.htm

Republic clearly connotates freedom from things public, as well as things public. One without the other could be only be called fascism. You got it, brother.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Concise history of how the shadow government subverted OUR country http://educationcenter2000.com/Articles_Folder/Who_is_Running_America.htm

[-] 3 points by SupremeLaw (3) 12 years ago

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES

No, it did NOT. It incorporated D.C., but D.C. and the "United States" are not one and the same:


Lots of local municipalities are corporations, by law; but, the "United States" (Federal government) is decidedly NOT a corporation:


"We may say in passing that the argument that the United States may be treated as a corporation organized under its own laws, that is, under the Constitution as the fundamental law, seems so strained as not to merit serious consideration."

See also:

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/usa.inc/ http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/usa.corp/ http://www.supremelaw.org/sos/

/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Thank you for pointing out this important fact. It was designed to be confusing.

I suggest people read The Federal Zone by Paul Mitchell-available his website here http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/preface.htm the supremelaw library is a treasure trove of information that offers the keys to understanding how the federal government perpetrates fraud.. It's complicated, but Paul is an excellent teacher-renders it in a form that is understandable.



[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Yes, but so much perversion of original intent has taken place, within the last twenty years, this 1941 ruling can be "interpreted" many ways or even be viewed as overturned.

The 1828 Dictionary has ~70,000 words. Now we have more than 250,000 and, depending on how one qualifies words as such, perhaps over half a million words!

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

IF one understands the lawful basis of our sovereign standing, IF one understands the difference between the organic constitution and the "new" one, IF one knows how to claim proper jurisdiction, understanding the fact you point out-that it's a clusterfork of legalese in an overgrown and everexpanding jungle of words, IF you have the expert advice and assistance of one of the foremost experts (Paul Mitchell-author of The Federal Zone)-THEN you have a chance at: 1) understanding the reality of the situation and 2) doing something about it.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

None of this moves Constitutionalists closer to the goal of actually restoring The Constitution for the United States of America and abolishing that which has been perpetrated upon The People via deception.

I simply want the other gone and at least given the chance of the last right The People have, an Article V Convention.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I think I understand your wishes, but the war against dictum cannot be won with pablum. Article 5 convention is another subject. It's not going to ever gain necessary support until people learn relevant facts about the coverup regarding our organic constitution, Federal Zone Jurisdictions, etc, and become outraged by the fraud.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Pointing out that case law to be used in courts of which they are not binding (ie... a very wrong and flawed system) can be trumped effectively with much later rulings that do not have to directly overturn any prior rulings, is far from an abrupt about face. How many, pray tell, do you think is required to pull off a successful Convention?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Then let me restate. Why dismiss Paul Mitchell, someone who has clearly demonstrated which side he is fighting on? Paul is an unassailable patriot, and has earned better. I suggest you tell me how many people because I don't know the answer youre seeking to validate your question about an article V convention.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I did not intend to insult anyone. I've run un-overturned and unchallenged standing 1992, 1998 SCOTUS rulings, and even newer, up the flagpole only to be have it explained to me, and then demonstrated/proven that none of that matters today.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I think it's quite possible that more recent SCOTUS rulings "don't matter anymore" because they may not apply to whatever it is you were trying to apply them to. The farther away we drift from the origins of our sovereignty, and understanding the original documents that protect us (organic constitution and bill of rights) the weaker we are-the less able we are to defend our liberty. Why rely on footing that was built on foundations of sand (like recent supreme court rulings).
Your position seems to negate your stated affinity for the constitution as well as your confidence in it. Constitutionalist means what? How can you be one without understanding the ways it has been covered up by fraud? It's still there -can still be used to protect you. Paul's work is proof.

SHOULD you have to be a legal ninja like Paul, in order to make the law work for you? No. But we are where we are. Requires a serious approach.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Ok, then what is it going to take to abolish that which we both know to be fraudulent as it came to be without the knowing consent of nearly every person?

Again, I did not intend to insult Paul.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Your question, as worded really helps show the problem. Do you mean "ok, then what is it going to take to abolish that which we both know to be fraudulent (as it came to be without the knowing consent of nearly every person)? OR "ok, then what is it going to take to abolish that which we both know to be fraudulent as it came to be (without the knowing consent of nearly every person)?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I think both ways are equally true. Deception is deception and our nation was never intended to be taken over by and have it's laws written by esquires and barristers, especially those working for the big world banks.

Let no man be subject to laws of which a reasonable man can not be expected to understand.

[-] 3 points by egarners (27) 12 years ago

Kudos to this thread..... excellent review of the truth that is destroying our inalienable rights, freedom and property.

The original organic constitution with the added 10 amendments (Bill of Rights) gave us a document that satisfied the goals of both the Federalist and anti Federalist requirements. Only then could that great blueprint of checks and balances allow ratification by all the colonies (states).

Unfortunately, the Constitution was under attack before the ink had hardly dried on that fabulous document. The forces of greed and lust for power could not tolerate for long the fetters to their domination.

Today the oligarchy of banksters and big corporate monopolies rule government through their special interest bribes of the representatives.

Only when sufficient individuals see through the lies and deceit and recognize who the REAL terrorists are can we reverse the perpetual debt slavery and regain our inalienable rights, freedoms and sovereignty,


[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Excellent post, and great link. Thanks egarners and stay with us here-good things to come. Let's keep bringing the good material to light of day so people can see it.

[-] 3 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

The Constitution is a reactionary, pro-capitalist document. It was reactionary when it was written and it still is. Solidarity forever!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

You'd like to think that, however, back when the Constitution was in place, that you are currently under the impression still is, the oath that military men swore to, was to "support" it (as if it were organic and subject to change) instead of "uphold" it as the thinly veiled sinister mechanism it now is.

The oaths have all changed, including all taken by ATTORNEYS, who are sworn not to disclose these realities to you.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago


which Constitution.... the one "of" or "for" the United States?

before or after two bankruptcies?

[-] 3 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

The one that was organized at the Constitutional Convention in Philly in 1788 and subsequently amended a few times.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

That is not the same one in use today unless you unplug from the corporate government and reclaim your rights as a natural person. Study and you will see. I must tip my hat to the brilliant criminal minds who perpetrated this.

[-] 2 points by winwinforall (-13) 12 years ago

USA is a british colony and it's run by the "USA Corporation" owned by the british crown. The clowns working for it are all traitors according to our US Republic's Constitution. Here are the proofs:

1) Private corporations run the USA


Non-profit Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946

(USA Corporation...disguised as Federal Gov't - - using a fraudulent constitution.)


For Profit General Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date 7/12/33

File No. 0325720


Non-profit Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date 9/13/14

File No. 0042817


For Profit General Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date 3/9/83

File No. 2004409


For-Profit General Delaware Corporation

Incorporation Date: 11/13/89

File No. 2213135


2) The USA Corporation uses a "corporate" constitution and not our real original Republic US Constitution. See the comparison:


3) The corporate constitution took our the 13th Amendment which essentially says: "no lawyers / esquires are alllowed to take public office" - - but look at the politicians working for the USA Corporation (aka the fraudulent / current federal government) - - The lawyers joined the BAR = British Accredited Registry and took the secret israeli oath called "kol nidre):


4) They use the US Flag fraudulently by putting gold fringe around it and make it a different size. See links below:




5) USA is a british colony


For more related info:


OWS has to demand the USA Corporation to go back to our founding father's way: Return to a "Constitutional Republic" - - as our JFK wanted to dissolve the Feds (a private corp) and disclose the ETs that Washington had been in touch for about 2 decades:


[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

When those corporation oprates overseas normally the countries would put leash on them why in in USA are on the loss?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Only the unincorporated citizens are taking a loss-the well-connected elite class are making out like bandits. Did I understand your question correctly?

[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

Yes you did,we need regulation

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Rampant regulation is how the money masters broke us down. Study the conversation and links on this forum thread carefully.

[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

will do!

[-] 2 points by dcosts (69) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

Revoking Corporate Charters Quo Warranto (By what authority) We know there is something fundamentally wrong with the very way the political and economic system is set up and are beginning to search for a new economic vision that can put people back to work and establish a more responsive governing framework. By what authority have corporations, the peoples subordinate entities, appointed and allowed to exist by the people, been, in the totality of their actions, engaged in assault upon the sovereign people of the United States of America? The life of a corporation is less than that of the humblest citizen. Corporations that have assaulted the sovereign people of the United States and the World will have their charters revoked and assets distributed amongst the sovereign people. Sovereign people do not wait outside the boardrooms of corporations like the subordinate entities of the robots that we created. A corporations nature is to control, to get political power, to limit competition, to rise up against their creator and recreate the conditions of their own existence. We don’t negotiate with subordinate entities. Corporations are not people; they are born in lawyer offices, only exist on paper, have no soul and can never die. We have to be accountable to one another and to our forebears and our posterity by asserting our authority over all the institutions we create, business or government. We’re not being socially responsible or civically accountable when we play by corporate rules in corporate arenas. We’re not being socially responsible or civically accountable when we don’t act like sovereign people. We’re not being socially responsible or civically accountable when we permit our elected officials to bargain away our sovereignty.

[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

Is it not unconstitutional to change the Constitution without going through the prescribed amendment process?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Reasonable persons are not looking to change the Constitution, currently in place, of and to all enslaved by it as a result of two bankruptcies.

I personally, don't care what they do in the federal zone of DC and wherever else is encompassed by it.

[-] 2 points by rayolite (461) 12 years ago

Great thread. I do recognize a great deal of fact here and do find it explanatory to another situation. Following the civil war there was no treaty and the rules engagement continued to control the governmental structure, the Lieber code.


A decade later is a point where the structure of that defacto military government had to aquiese to a face change or disapear. I recognize modern police modus operandi in some of them.

Another real reason to immedately put pressure on congress to call an Article V convention, get back to the republic. Pressure the states and the military too because somewhere in there are going to be connections.

I remember some history. British arms manufacturers fronted an arms industry to the North, then collected through the entities you describe as you've described with the creation of a ruling 10 mile square.

I'm beginning to suspect that there were much deeper motives for the civil war than the apparent economic competitions and slavery alone. Those motives justified the creation of the corporate US and DC with a subtle, continued war upon the people after the surrender at Appomattox.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Brilliant. Thanks for the link to the valuable information.

[-] 2 points by rayolite (461) 12 years ago

Curious that we have the Lieber code hosted on a server of a university that also hosts the skull and bones. There's a thread that has been started with some of the missing knowlege relating to such seeming coincedental associations.


[-] 2 points by poltergist22 (159) 12 years ago

I don't care if I work for a giant corporation. In fact the bigger the better it would mean more kudo's for me. I am concerned about the future and stability of this country. I do believe there should be investigations/prosecutions of predatory lenders and wall street insiders/manipulators. The thing is while reading your manifesto here about us being slaves you have not in any way shape or form included the judiciary branch of gov't. Why is that? With all the anti-trust suits ,civil rights, civil liberties, and criminal trials would you leave that out?

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago


I agree with you, this kinda covers it all and explains the mechanisms.

Keep digging, a Constitutional Convention is what we need.

Abolish the Incorporated Government and all it's trappings, as well as it's deception.

BTW... this isn't "my manifesto", I provided a link to it's source. I copied and pasted it because some here insisted bad people were posting bad links.

[-] 2 points by poltergist22 (159) 12 years ago

My bad Froggy there are just things on here that are immature/radical and don't portray the entire picture. To me this entire thing is about "who is going to foot the bills for the wars the new Homeland Security Agency and corruption within the financial industry and Gov't kotoing to the rich and not common people. But I sincerely believe we have the best system ever devised and would like to see it improved from within.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

We HAVE the best system ever devised-we are collectively too ignorant/complacent to make it work as intended-but people are finally waking up to the situation Please point at ONE immature/radical thing in this forum. We can discuss it on it's merits. Or, would you have us accept your self-qualifying opinion statement. The corporate federal feudalists in D.C. hope we will accept opinion (like yours) as fact ..."go baaaack tooo sleeeeep." Until people understand the fraud at the base of the system, you are pointing at obscure symptoms that remain as unassailable as the root cause you seem to be glossing over. That said, I agree with you, the system should be repaired from within. And it can.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Separate and redeem yourself, let "them" concern themselves with those bills???

[-] 2 points by suyabaa01 (244) from Milford, CT 12 years ago

May I suggest this EDUCATIONAL video series to everyone who wants to understand our "FINANCIAL EMPIRE".

"Lesson 6 (part 2 of 3)" is a good warmup session to start with.

Renaissance 2.0:

Lesson 1 - Revisiting American History - Financial Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37RhdFGVsM

Lesson 2 - Revisiting Economics 101 - Debt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTBkNJ8ZWI

Lesson 3 - Revisiting Civics 101 - Ownership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2VDC8UQ3c8

Lesson 4 (part 1 of 4) - The Culture of Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIsheDSCBK0

Lesson 4 (part 2 of 4) - The Culture of Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ixuhwwsFc

Lesson 4 (part 3 of 4) - The Culture of Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHF5BX0sv_4

Lesson 4 (part 4 of 4) - The Culture of Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irmcAecUJLM

Lesson 5 (part 1 of 2) - The Emerging Global Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCxjqPgHgpA

Lesson 5 (part 2 of 2) - The Emerging Global Empire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkSLlICfdZg

Lesson 6 (part 1 of 3) - Brightening the Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3i5Rzpx5A

Lesson 6 (part 2 of 3) - Brightening the Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HuzhMUHGM

Lesson 6 (part 3 of 3) - Brightening the Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv3M2gCynLw

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

it would be nice if there was the option to download all of these in one part

the "navigation", via youtube, to find all these, in order, is kinda hokey!

I will try and watch them all, just the same, thanks

[-] 2 points by suyabaa01 (244) from Milford, CT 12 years ago

There are hacker programs that allows you to download YouTube video. I never used one; some of my friends do. You may consider Google'ing it.

As a side note, if your time is limited, you may skip Lesson 4 (4 parts) almost without losing continuity and context.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I can download vids from the net without any "hacker" stuff. Firefox makes it quite easy. I was saying, it would be nice to have all them compiled in one video for easier management and watching.

Thanks again

[-] 2 points by suyabaa01 (244) from Milford, CT 12 years ago

I thought those tools would provide conversion and editing. Since Steve Jobs promoted HTML5 over Adobe Flash, many Web sites have converted their Flash to H.264, MPEG-4, or alike (it has been on the news). As YouTube is Flash, I though you'd have a good change of converting and editing.

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." — Preamble of the original "organic" Constitution

"We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
— Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence of the original thirteen united states of America, July 4, 1776 

Fourth of July 2002 has come and gone, and Americans honored the holiday with a renewed patriotic fervor that reminded me of the Bicentennial celebrations of 1976. As is customary, traditional fireworks displays took center stage and scores of people turned out to witness the dazzling show in the summer sky. With mixed feelings, I sat with friends on a crowded Pennsylvania sidewalk beneath a glittering, mesmerizing explosion of color, pondering the keen sense of sadness and betrayal that overwhelmed my spirit. Looking around at the huge crowds gathered for the annual events, I thought silently, "We are not free." In truth, we have not been a free people for a very long time.

We celebrate this day in honor of our "independence". We call ourselves a free people in a land of liberty. Our anthems proudly sing the praises of this nation, and we raise our voices, wave our flags and join in song — but how many Americans realize they are not free? This is a myth perpetuated by the powers-that-be in order to avoid any major civil unrest, and to keep us all living under the thumb of a militaristic corporate Big Brother within the illusions that have been created for us. The truth of the matter is this: what freedom has not been stolen from us, we have surrendered willingly through our silence and ignorance. As Americans, most of us have no idea how our freedoms are maintained — or lost. Apparently, our ancestors didn't have a good grasp of this either. It is sad, but it is also very true.

Don't point to that beloved parchment, the Constitution, as a symbol of your enduring freedom. It is representative of a form of government which seemingly no longer exists in this country today. The Constitution has been thrown out the window, the Republic shoved aside and replaced with a democracy. The thing is; most people in this country remain unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth — what lies beyond the myths. Your so-called government is not going to tell you, either.

To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871, which was the beginning of the decline of the Republic. When we examine what happened during that time in our history, we begin to piece together this troubling, perplexing puzzle that is "America" — only then should we answer as to whether we are indeed a "free" people or not.

So, let's roll backward into the past for a moment. It is time we learned what they didn't teach us in school. It is far more interesting than what they DID tell us. I think you'll stay awake for this lesson.

The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.

What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

"The Constitution for the united states of America".

The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.

Capitalization — an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.

Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.

So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. When we consider the word "Sovereign," we must think about what the word means.

According to Webster's Dictionary, "sovereign" is defined as: 1. chief or highest; supreme. 2. Supreme in power, superior in position to all others. 3. Independent of, and unlimited by, any other, possessing or entitled to, original and independent authority or jurisdiction.

In other words, our government was created by and for "sovereigns" — the free citizens who were deemed the highest authority. Only the People can be sovereign — remember that. Government cannot be sovereign. We can also look to the Declaration of Independence, where we read: "government is subject to the consent of the governed" — that's supposed to be us, the sovereigns. Do you feel like a sovereign nowadays? I don't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a constitutional historian to figure out that this is not what is happening in our country today. Government in these times is NOT subject to the consent of the governed. Rather, the governed are subject to the whim and greed of the corporation, which has stretched its tentacles beyond the ten-mile-square parcel of land known as the District of Columbia — encroaching into every state of the Republic. Mind you, the corporation has NO jurisdiction outside of the District of Columbia. THEY just want you to think it does.

[-] 2 points by BeSmallBeLoud (35) from Youbou, BC 12 years ago

The pitfalls of corporate capitalism are well documented, as well as the way it has supplanted the original concept of democracy. So what to do? There was a point in time when the interests of capitalism and the people were conjoined. Result? The American middle class. As a Canadian, I should note that our situation was similar. Of course, in our case prosperity lead to socialised medical care and like evils. Lets leave that discussion for another day. There seems to be a certain inevitability to the amassing of power into the hands of whatever group. By the same token, eventual resistance is the right and duty of those who do not share the will to power. Certain kings in Britain were viewed as benevolent monarchs. They didn't kick the peasants. We seem to have accepted the notion that the current oligarchy is OK because they don't kick us. Financially, under the current system (note, I say "under") I have made out OK. I despair for my kids. At one time, I thought I could set them up. Now, at age 66, I struggle to remain independent. Their share has migrated elsewhere. This picture of diminishing returns is pretty much universal. The benefits of free trade and all the rest of that crap go to those who have the clout to put their sycophants in office. May I suggest that the time to resist is now.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

At the risk of sounding contrary, I suggest that our resistance should take the form of dissociating from the problem. We can hardly complain (and this is their argument also) when we trade their money, accept the "priviledges" of citizenship within their feudal estates. We have failed to write our own story. We are living in their fraud called "history" until we write a new beginning for ourselves (note-I did not say ending to their story). There is no way to eliminate the current situation, no switch to flip that turns all darkness into light. I suggest that any attempt to effect such result is proven catastrophic throughout history...and it was centuries of patience and cunning that brought these oligarchs to where they are today. We must apply patience, persistence, and discipline to match. Rather than covert, it must be overt.

We must trade amongst ourselves, withdraw gradually from the voluntary servitude and coerced ignorance that rules us by consent.

[-] 2 points by BeSmallBeLoud (35) from Youbou, BC 12 years ago

I'm with you. There is nothing simple to suddenly make everything right. Every revolution has contained the seeds of its own destruction. That said, I always told my kids that it was their outright duty to be at least skeptical of power. The only power of ordinary people lies in their overtly expressed dissatisfaction with their rulers. As cyclical as it may be, it is what it is. At some point, matters reach a point where something must be done. Change is painful for everyone. Results are not necessarily the same as objectives. It is, however, simply wrong for people in such places as Canada & the US to starve while a small minority amass wealth which could feed every soul on the planet. As humans, is this who we are? It may well be that OWS will remind those who are merely complacent that, as Elizabeth Warren puts it, there is an underlying social contract which is ignored at the peril of those who have risen to the top. I find that OWS is the perfect expression of those who are sick of looking for opportunity while seeing it sucked into the black hole of people whose only interest seems to be the ability to count in the billions.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

It takes very little to persuade me to accept that the public ownership of corporations is a great evil resulting in a powerful tool of wealth extraction, off the bruised backs and booted faces of those actually working, and easily manipulated by those who control a nation's currency and it's economy, not to mention it's lawmakers.

Should publicly owned businesses cease to exist? Should the stock exchange cease to exist? What other means of pure wealth extraction, of which no value is added to a product, should cease to exist?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

You just isolated the 2 mechanisms used to manipulate otherwise effective organizational structures (corporations): Money and law.

A corporate body is not evil in and of itsself. Where these two facets of a nation are infected, one controlled by the other-the corporate structure becomes a weapon.

"Strong" covertly organized 1% control "weak" disorganized 99%(following the overused model). By way of the systemic corruption/propagation of legislation-LAW is buried by the self-interests of lawyers-trading fiat fraud currency (and financial instruments that are all derivatives of fraud). The LAW is still there. Our sovereignty never ceased to exist-it's just buried by legalese that is waiting to be nullified.

This is the Achilles heel. Only thing necessary to turn a good thing that has been corrupted back to a good thing is smart re-organization.

The way to turn it around is by building a value-based opportunity (bridge) to the 1% (the money masters and the legal wizards) as well as to the 99%. Important to note that the legal machine is operated by legions of well paid serfs-they are not in the 1% financially. "here's the new way-Here is your opportunity to make it right" (here's how you get paid doing it). When the legal serfs see the monetary benefit-the tide will turn.

A great evening out is coming.

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

You see, you are presumed to know the law. This is ironic because as a people, we are taught basically nothing about the law in school. We are made to memorize obscure factoids and paragraphs here and there, such as the Preamble, and they gloss over the Bill of Rights. But we are not told about the law. Nor do our corporate government schools delve into the Constitution in any great depth. After all, they were put into place to indoctrinate and dumb down the masses — not to teach us anything. We were not told that we were sold-out to foreign interests and made beneficiaries of the debt incurred by Congress to the international bankers. For generations, American citizens have had the bulk of their earnings confiscated to pay on a massive debt that they, as a People, did not incur. There are many, many things the People have not been told. How do you feel about being made a beneficiary of somebody else's massive debt without your knowledge or consent? Are we gonna keep going along with this??

When you hear some individuals say that the Constitution is null and void, think about how our government has transformed over time from a municipal or service-oriented entity to a corporate or profit-oriented entity. We are living under the myth that this is lawful, but it is not. We are being ruled by a "de facto," or unlawful, form of government — the corporate body of the death-mongers — The Controllers.

With the passage of the Act of 1871, a series of subtle and overt deceptions were set in motion — all in conjunction and collusion with the Congress, who knowingly and deliberately sold the People down the river. Did they tell you this in government school? I doubt it. They were too busy drumming the fictional version of history into your brain — and mine. By failing to disclose what THEY did to the American People, the people became ignorant of what was happening. Over time, the Republic took it on the chin to the point of a knockdown. With the surrender of their gold in 1933, the People essentially surrendered their law. I don't suppose you were taught THAT in school either. That's because our REAL history is hidden from us. This is the way Roman Civil Law works — and our form of governance today is based upon Roman Civil Law and Admiralty/Maritime Law — better known as the "Divine Right of Kings" and "Law of the Seas", respectively. This explains a lot. Roman Civil Law was fully established in the original colonies even before our nation began and is also known as private international law.

The government which was created for the District of Columbia via the Act of 1871 operates under Private International Law, and not Common Law, which was the law of the Constitutional Republic. This is very important to note since it impacts all Americans in concrete ways. You must recognize that private international law is only applicable within the District of Columbia and NOT in the other states of the Union. The various arms of the corporation are known as "departments" such as the Judiciary, Justice and Treasury. You recognize those names? Yes, you do! But they are not what you assume them to be. These "departments" all belong to the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. They do NOT belong to you and me under the corporate constitution and its various amendments that operate outside of the Constitutional Republic.

I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation. Realize, too, that the corporation is not a separate and distinct entity from the government. It IS the government. YOUR government. This is extremely important. I refer to this as the "corporate empire of the UNITED STATES," which operates under Roman Civil Law outside of the Constitution. How do you like being ruled by a cheesy, sleazy corporation? You'll ask your Congressperson about this, you say? HA!!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Congress is fully aware of this deception. You must be made aware that the members of Congress do NOT work for you and me. Rather, they work for the Corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Is this really any surprise to you? This is why we can't get them to do anything on our behalf or to answer to us — as in the case with the illegal income tax — among many other things. Contrary to popular belief, they are NOT our civil servants. They do NOT work for us. They are the servants of the corporate government and carry out its bidding. Period.

The great number of committees and sub-committees that the Congress has created all work together like a multi-headed monster to oversee the various corporate "departments." And, you should know that every single one of these that operates outside the District of Columbia is in violation of the law. The corporate government of the UNITED STATES has no jurisdiction or authority in ANY state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia. Let this sink into your brain for a minute. Ask yourself, "Could this deception REALLY have occurred without the full knowledge and complicity of the Congress?" Do you think it happened by accident? You are deceiving yourself if you do. There are no accidents or coincidences. It is time to confront the truth and awaken from ignorance.

Your legislators will not apprise you of this information. You are presumed to know the law. THEY know you don't know the law, or your history for that matter, because this information has not been taught to you. No concerted effort has been made to inform you. As a Sovereign, you are entitled to full disclosure of the facts. As a slave, you are entitled to nothing other than what the corporation decides to "give" you — at a price. Be wary of accepting so-called "benefits" of the corporation of the UNITED STATES. Aren't you enslaved enough already?

I said (above) that you are presumed to know the law. Still, it matters not if you don't in the eyes of the corporation. Ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse. It is your responsibility and your obligation as an American to learn about the law and how it applies to you. THEY count on the fact that most people are too uninterested or distracted or lazy to do so. The People have been mentally conditioned to allow the alleged government to do their thinking for them. We need to turn that around if we are to save our Republic before it is too late.

The UNITED STATES government is basically a corporate instrument of the international bankers. This means YOU are owned by the corporation from birth to death. The corporate UNITED STATES also holds ownership of all your assets, your property, and even your children. Does this sound untrue? Think long and hard about all those bills you pay, all those various taxes and fines and licenses you must pay for. Yes, they've got you by the pockets. Actually, they've had you by the ass for as long as you've been alive. In your heart, you know it's true. Don't believe any of this? Read up on the 14th Amendment. Check out how "free" you really are.

With the Act of 1871 and subsequent legislation such as the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment, our once-great nation of Sovereigns has been subverted from a Republic to a democracy. As is the case under Roman Civil Law, our ignorance of the facts has led to our silence. Our silence has been construed as our consent to become beneficiaries of a debt we did not incur. The Sovereign People have been deceived for hundreds of years into thinking they remain free and independent, when in actuality we continue to be slaves and servants of the corporation.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Treason was committed against the People in 1871 by the Congress. This could have been corrected through the decades by some honest men (assuming there were some), but it was not, mainly due to lust for money and power. Nothing new there. Are we to forgive and justify this crime against the People? You have lost more freedom than you may realize due to corporate infiltration of the so-called government. We will lose more unless we turn away from a democracy that is the direct road to disaster — and restore our Constitutional Republic.

In an upcoming article, we'll take a closer look at the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment and how we became "property" of the corporation and enslaved by our silence.

I am saddened to think about the brave men and women who were killed in all the wars and conflicts instigated by the Controllers. These courageous souls fought for the preservation of ideals they believed to be true — not for the likes of a corporation. Do you believe that any one of the individuals who have been killed as a result of war would have willingly fought if they knew the full truth? Do you think one person would have laid down his life for a corporation? I think not. If the People had known long ago to what extent their trust had been betrayed, I wonder how long it would have taken for another Revolution. What we need is a Revolution in THOUGHT. We change our thinking and we change our world.

Will we ever restore the Republic? That is a question I cannot answer yet. I hope, and most of all — pray — that WE, the Sovereign People, will work together in a spirit of cooperation to make it happen in this lifetime. I know I will give it my best shot — come what may. Our children deserve their rightful legacy — the liberty our ancestors fought so hard to give to us. Will we remain silent telling ourselves we are free, and perpetuate the MYTH? Or, do we stand as One Sovereign People, and take back what has been stolen from the house of our Republic?

Something to think about — it's called freedom.

[-] 2 points by barb (835) 12 years ago

Okay all said and done, what can the public do legally to stop them?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

1% has strangled 99 by covert means. Do you really understand the mechanisms yet? The answer to your question will surface once a sufficient % of the 99 truly understands the issues discussed in this post. The collective will to change it will take a number of forms. Learn this material and teach it.

[-] 2 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Recall a little more recent history and as far as international bankers, who is really at the top?

I found the following article just searching around on google and recall some discussion predicting the current European Union Crisis in 2010 and this was from trade publications directed towards the financial industry.

Does anyone remember this from 2010? Here we are on the cusp of December 2011 and it looks like everything is right on schedule with respect to the Eurozone and those at the top look primed to cash in once again (click link below to view entire article) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253791/Is-man-broke-Bank-England-George-Soros-centre-hedge-funds-betting-crisis-hit-euro.html

quote:..."A secretive group of Wall Street hedge fund bosses are said to be behind a plot to cash in on the decline of the euro. Representatives of George Soros's investment business were among an all-star line up of Wall Street investors at an 'ideas dinner' at a private townhouse in Manhattan, according to reports. A spokesman for Soros Fund Management said the legendary investor did not attend the dinner on February 8, but did not deny that his firm was represented. At the dinner, the speculators are said to have argued that the euro is likely to plunge in value to parity with the dollar. "

Who is really running the show? Who are the puppetmasters? What do those in power really want? Is there enough for everyone?

My reply: Yes, of course. It's a matter of perspective, try taking a simple flight in a light aircraft, even at as low as 2000 feet above terra firma it's not hard to see that we are but tiny specks on the vastness of our earth that has more than plenty for all of us but there are those that prevent so many from seeing this-'guess we all could use a flight every now and then to give us a perspective on reality?...

Kennedy was right and I think most people are peaceful and want to keep it that way but when pushed to the breaking point well then...

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

-John F. Kennedy

[-] 2 points by BTKcongress (149) 12 years ago

love that JFK quote. i too am going to make alot of money on the EU blow up.... already made alot from the demise of their banks. not everything always goes up, and you have to learn to win when things go down too. sadly 99% of people profit only on the upside in their retirement accounts despite this truism.

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

It's true and mostly because too many of us really are kept in the dark.

Here, George Carlin explains in his skit 'The Elite and The American Dream' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2vclIqxwvE&feature=related

[-] 2 points by sovaye (259) 12 years ago

I Love This Post!

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

'Glad you liked it. Feel free to poke around on google and add to the findings of all participating on this thread.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Awesome post edc, stay with us and keep it coming. Help us fish in the sewer of forums out there-drop link to this forum in front of people who seem to be sincere-dish the hasbarats with wisdom and let's keep it rolling here. Copy this thread to your HD so we have multiple copies -eventually things pointing at soros gets deleted

[-] 2 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

It's not too difficult to form some ideas on the reasoning behind and with those behind the scenes as well as world politics but you have to dig around, be willing to keep an open mind (but not so open your brains fall out), gather and reach your own conclusions and decisions. 'The Man who Broke The Bank of England' is only one man, who are the rest of the players? I think we can easily find them if we look hard enough and think of 'captains of industry' in our searches http://www.weforum.org/ and www.economywatch.com are some of the places to find them.

If mention of individuals or certain privately held entities are causing certain posts to be deleted, that's too bad and after all, George Soros is supposed to be supportive of and encouraging 'open society.' Maybe there should be a notice explaining the reason for post removal but that's beside the point which is clarifying what needs to be demanded of 'the powers that be' in governmental and financial sectors. The poor (ie: anyone not grossing $250K per year or greater or having been exposed to people who do) really have a much more difficult time conceiving of the reasoning behind the actions of those with considerable wealth. While many choose to do good in their communities (ie: anything from help local charities to having their own philanthropic foundations) they invariably meet with criticism since wealth is limited and there are always those who are left out or turned away by the giver once they have given all that they can (and this includes individuals all the way to entire countries (think Eastern Bloc countries not currently member states of the EU.) Also, today there was a story about Ronald Lauder, heir of the cosmetics founder Estee Lauder which you can read about here that is a pretty good illustration of why most folks haven't a clue about how such affluence is handled: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/estee-lauder-heirs-tax-strategies-typify-advantages-for-wealthy.html?_r=1 but gives credence to the assertion that the wealthy not infrequently pay considerably less taxes than the rest of us plebes:"The tax burden on the nation’s superelite has steadily declined in recent decades, according to a sliver of data released annually by the I.R.S. The effective federal income tax rate for the 400 wealthiest taxpayers, representing the top 0.000258 percent, fell from about 30 percent in 1995 to 18 percent in 2008, the most recent data available. "

I get a lot of 'junk mail' and newsletters from various political viewpoints just so that I have a knowledge base to draw from and even though I don't like some of them, that doesn't mean I always delete them because the knowledge sent is great to draw from. That old 2010 article from the Daily Mail is just one example. Here's something straight from Soros that is in the public domain from a useful site and easy enough to save for future reference: http://www.economywatch.com/users/george-soros/ George Soros About me: Chairman of the Soros Fund Management. Famously known as “The man who broke the Bank of England”. Latest Posts Europe’s Last Hope – Will Germany Step Up? : George Soros The European Union’s Catalogue of Failures: George Soros

Anyway, what is the world coming to? Someone shared these with me and I hate to say it, but another Reich seems to be brewing in the Middle East and only a few seem to really know about the way it is being developed, using the Nazi methods with youth as a blueprint right down to the Nazi salute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related The shocking video Muslims don't want you to see!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYbZkf_fTC8&feature=youtube_gdata_player Paul warns of coming New World Order (15/09/11)

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Thank you, so much. Anyone reading to this point who doubts the veracity of these statements should visit http://www.gemworld.com/USAVSUS.HTM and take each step of verifying the citations. I like the simple way it is laid out, and I especially like the way that author chose to avoid one of the massive conspiracy "theories" regarding the formation of The Federal Reserve. He Simply states "The Federal Reserve was established (covertly, by it's agents) by The Bank of England.". Parenthetical remark is mine. If you want to expand that frame and get blown away by the Rothchild story, The Rockefellers, JP Morgan, and others- well, that's something everyone needs to do ultimately, but i have found that by pointing people to these intrigue-laden family history, I actually lose most of them entirely. It reads like fiction-and people are programmed to call you names upon learning that many of these folks call themselves Jews. I prefer to take the stance that there is no such thing as Jew (prove it). There are people who call themselves Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu-one thing and another-Democrat, Republican... Conservative, liberal, moderate... The list goes on forever, derives from the 'isms which I have endeavored to encapsulate in one long piece I wrote back in June when I was really waking to all these facts-I was compelled to write (I won't go there now). Basically, it's a ploy we fall for because we want to believe what people say. I just don't buy any label someone wants to put in front of me anymore. It's like they say "you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.". Why then do we accept statements like "I'm a Christian," or "I'm Jewish," or "I'm a Democrat," or I'm a conservative," (especially in the realm of politics) when time and again peope step outside the bounds of the conventional definition, and we are the loser. So I decide not to go there at all. What we really have are people, human beings, who by attempting to label themselves before you (and before you can judge them by their merits) playing on your better nature, attempting to make you commit a logical error called equivocation. Look it up now if that's not a word you understand completely-it's a very important concept. Show me your fruits (prove it or shut up with your self-labeling-I'll be the judge). I've heard this name "Rhino" for a couple of years and never figured out what it was these pundits were talking about-always in reference to a Republican. Republican in name only -RINO. Brilliant. So here's how to apply that to everyone who wants you to take their label at face value rather than see them for the humans they are: RINO, DINO, JINO, CHRINO, MINO, HINO... (republican, democrat, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu). Make up your own.
We all have different values, but each and every label has by now been destroyed by factions and exceptions that evade the logical standard needed for any label to stick. ALL such labels have been pushed beyond any reliable meaning. Therefore-and especially in regard to the sensitive topic of Jewishness-I say avoid the label and the subject entirely. Anti-semitism is a powerful racket waiting to crush you and anyone who decides to walk into the labrynth. Study Theodore Hertzl and his contributions to the poison that is "anti-semitism.". Learn where that word came from before you start getting sucked into the anger it is designed to elicit-thereby ruling you and crushing you. It is a masterful weapon. Don't pick it up. Don't let anyone slander you with that label. Just walk around it. Let other people learn on their own time and help them past that hurdle the first time (my advice).
O look-i've been going on and on:) Ciao for now!

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Say hi to Jimboiam and see what we've been saying-http://occupywallst.org/forum/youre-invited-to-themultitudeorg-where-occupiers-c/#comment-411423 started off on the wrong foot-was my mistake... We need to be a nexus in here...draw it to the center...or take it elsewhere.

[-] 2 points by KVNLGN (154) 12 years ago

I learned most of what you and frogwithwings posted a few years ago. I think you are taking the appropriate approach by leaving certain "titles" out, for the time being. Some people are overly offended by the truth.
How do we wake the US citizens to this curruption ? And, if they awoke, what would be the next steps ? Again, this is the problem with the way this forum is set up. So many people who want to understand the way the US Corporation works will not be able to because eventually these posts will fall off into the abyss.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

KVNLGN-stay tuned to the solution you are part of. We need to be the nexus-the people who understand are the spark that starts the change. I fish in the other forums looking for people who are sincere-who get it on some level-debate the shills for benefit of same-drop a link to this forum in front of them-this has value. So they delete it-we met. We continue.

[-] 2 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

Are you in favour of the National General Assembly concept (99% Declaration)? I seriously question the reasons the NYCGA has for remaining silent and worse, removing it from this website after the October 15th announcement at the NYCGA. This 'official' site issuing 'vision statements' proclaiming we are not a political movement seems very self-serving to me. thx

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Thanks for the question. This site is the official George Soros flypaper COINTELOP a manifestation of the (minority) element on the ground that does not, in truth represent the movement at all. The best way to defeat the opposition is to lead it. As for general assemblies and democracy-I am opposed because the very idea flies in the face of our REPUBLIC-we are guaranteed a republican form of government by our constitution (the "republican" party is not representative). Please take time to read through this post and review the links within. You can learn how the banksters have used democracy to decimate our republic, our personal liberties, and the LAW. Occupy knowledge of the law-we can still turn it around and defeat the poisoned element within ows and within government.

[-] 2 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

Fascinating reading here. I am not as deep in as some folks here, yet ; )

I think I understand somewhat your opposition to the NGA concept but would it serve as a start? Defeating the poisoned element within OWS by not recognizing its authority, manifested by the demand for a NGA?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I think the whole OWS movement is a fine start-don't take my criticism as otherwise. The problem, however, is that we are working within a false construct (OWS as framed by hidden ows elements).

Once you spend enough time seeing through the deception, you begin to realize that the whole problem (all problems protested) stems from a lack of understanding the true problem. We are born, raised, and fed daily, FICTION.

I look forward to answering any question you have. Basically, don't be led by the nose-especially by constructs like general assemblies. I have yet to see anything from those groups that shows they see anything but symptoms of the problem.

The problem is well identified in this forum post. Educate yourself and teach others. There is no quick solution.

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

http://www.thestockmarketnews.com/stock-exchange-news/birth-certificates-traded-on-nyse-stock-exchange-how-much-is-yours-worth-who-owns-it Thank you ALL for posting this info. A new revolution with a change/overthrow of this system should be the #1 purpose of freedom lovers everywhere.

I'm surprised the fact of birth certificates being traded on the NYSE did not come up in this thread further demonstrating that citizens are just so much 'chattel'(and this includes of others such as Germany/their birth certificates have the same type of numbering too)

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

All citizens of most every nation were enslaved by the Big Bankruptcy of the 1930's. NWO anyone? Foreclose on the note and repo men acometh...

[-] 2 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Not to take away from Frog's valid point regarding big bankruptcy of the 1930s-I just want to point out that it's the OWO that was responsible-still causing all the trouble today. Old world order. Trail starts in old Europe. NWO is their own psychobabble propaganda-designed to throw us off well-documented history and onto a cold trail full of fictional cover-stories they paid for. Nothing new at all about the order.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Colonel Edward Mandell House is attributed with giving a very detailed outline of the plans to be implemented to enslave the American people. He stated, in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson (President 1913 - 1921)...

"Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that's you and your children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the lawmerchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call "Social Insurance." Without realizing it, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America."

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

So starting w/USA and Europe I would guess that India at that time would have been the first Asian country to have birth certificates on a stock exchange?

Keep bumping this thread with valid info. Anyone from countries outside the US, does your birth certificate have a number?

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago



For all the objectors to our Organic Constitution.... the brilliant minds who crafted it were very well aware of the likelihood of possible rampant corruption and the need for people to change it.

Having an AVC does not mean reinstating slavery and denying women the right to be considered natural persons with god given rights.

All language needed to cover the bases can be added. We are not uncivilized cave persons incapable of critical free thinking.

I also believe that publicly owned corporations, The Federal Reserve with their fake money as well as insidious means of controlling the entire world, and the stock market as well as all forms of wealth extraction, should be abolished.

I also believe, there should be standards to determine a person's "reasonableness", such as literacy and ability to process other necessary concepts and ideas as necessary to qualify for rights to have a say in The People's government.

Painfully inept or mentally unfortunate, as well as those lacking reasonable levels of education shall be governed by those capable of doing so. Reasonable persons, and the great nation of which they can bring to being, shall not be brought down to the level of the weakest links.


[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

My original one has my name as a proper natural person. I applied for a duplicate, it has the numbers with my name in all CAPS.

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

I'm going to guess you and BofL were born prior to 1960? I know someone born in 1950 and his long form birth certificate is as you describe yours- with the baby footprints too! Mine has my name in all caps with the number and I was born in 1964.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Born after 1970-a Yankee,sorry, not my fault, moved south as soon as I could;)

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

;) OK, I'll keep trying to research the history of which states started with the abstracts.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Ummmm... certain northern states did not buy into the abstracts until much later. Mine has foot ink and was later than your birth.

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

That is interesting. Ok, so I know about abstracts of title but an abstract of birth? I'm going to do a search on that. If you have any links and would like to share it would be appreciated!

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

i don't know, however, i would like to go straight to the department of records there, and in person to ask them for an actual copy of my original

that is what i requested and thought I had paid for when they sent me the abstract with the numbers on the back

i still have my original, i'd really like to see if they will come off a copy of it

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate Note that not all forms of birth certificate are useable for obtaining a passport. The Wikipedia info. at the above link explains this. Also, in the matter of those born abroad to US born and raised citizens a consular report of birth must accompany the foreign birth certificate.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago


"souvenir birth certificate"

"Many Americans believe the souvenir records to be their official birth certificates, when in reality they hold little legal value."

Interesting is that I never have needed anything other than this to get this far along in life.

[-] 1 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 12 years ago

Interestingly in Reno, NV to get a driver's license they will refuse you if you do not provide proof of citizenship and if you're coming from another state with your current driver's license (even if you've held it for over 20 years as I have without incident) and a social security card these are not proof of citizenship!

Over 10 years ago they would have accepted my prior state's driver's license and social security card as ID.

The scary part about the Social Security card not being proof of citizenship is that non-citizens can have one. I think a non-citizen who is here on a visa should be issued a bright orange social security card vs. the standard blue currently issued to everyone.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

As you, my original, with footprints and proper name-no numbers. Duplicates ordered from the state in 1990 -(fictitious)all caps name, certificate#, birth #, & "this is to certify that this is a true and correct abstract from the official record filed with the ___Department of Public Health. Hang on to that original.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

You're really on top of things-so glad to see it-so rare. Tell me, winged frog, how old are you. I'm curious to know at what age you broke through the matrix. I'll gladly share my situation.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Over 40. Semi-retired operative. What did it was attempting to bring and/or defend civil causes of action, pro-se, only to find out that doing so, without employing an officer of the court, means all efforts are futile to support any such causes.

In the process, however, I managed to force 4 judges to recuse themselves including one especially crooked one, opt wisely to take an early retirement.

All the time, from the first time I knew it was a railroad job, every second amongst all of those involved, was recorded with the net results objectively considered and reviewed, being very difficult not to come to the conclusion of many conspiring.

Thus far, it has resulted pretty much in me being poised to write my own ticket out of the wreckage. All is well and I remain relentless in piling up any and all additional proof to insure my safety.

There you have it.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Be sure to see Jimboiams comments below mine here!

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

You rock,frog! I've been digging through these forums HOPING for folks like you, sorting out everyone I can along the way. You know much more than I do by experiencing it IN the legal setting. I'm an inventor/product developer who started a couple of corporations between '97 and 2000-ran them both until last year.., worked in a number of countries including China...had some nasty litigation over license agreements I made with other mfrs-learned in court who they really were-hydra of interconnected sister corps...anyway I was 36 before starting to see the whole picture. Almost 38. Been a hellova last 2yrs as the whole thing sinks in. I want to introduce you to "Jimboiam" on another thread-we're all essentially on this wavelength. I'll post that thread in a second.

[-] 2 points by Jimboiam (812) 12 years ago

Im just over 40 and semi retired myself. Just can't quit working you know. Have had multiple businesses over the year and lots of employees. I am done with that. had over 650 employees in the last 20 years and i have no desire to do it anymore, or risk losing any more capital until things change. I have spent a lot of time in the legal field just dealing with business, though i have never been sued i have had to do it. I think the real civil war that must come, and i have been saying it for a while is in the courts. it is unfortunate, as Frog says that you have to have a lawyer to do everything. This is particularly frustrating as lawyers, have no passion. They don't like to press the envelope when they think they will lose or get slapped down. That has been an irritant to me for a while. I have attempted to sue the two parties for violations of the RICO statutes as the justice department does nothing with complaints. Their job is to protect them. However, the time is ripe now for a mass lawsuit against the bankers, the Treasury, the Fed, and the individual elected officials. The cause of action? Purposeful and negligent actions by those parties that caused a diminishment of assets. When you get screwed out of money or assets from someone, you sue them. How do you think the courts would feel about a lawsuit that had 10-20 million people signed onto it? They couldn't throw it out with a simple 'you have no standing', or 'statutes specifically deny you from suing the federal government. (notice i didn't include the US government in the lawsuit). This could gain traction even with 100,000 people. I have been considering forming a PAC for this very purpose, with the money being spent on the litigation. I have asked my lawyers to investigate the legality in doing this. I appreciate the sentiment behind OWS and the Tea Party, but both groups have been corrupted by ideologues who want to press their special movement, instead of doing what is best for 100% of Americans.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Well, watch this video where the DOJ takes the "wait and see" position against 1.2 million veterans



[-] 1 points by Jimboiam (812) 12 years ago

Ok. Ill check back later, going to watch the GOP LIARS debate while i eat dinner. This ought to be rich since they will have to give Newt most of the airtime. Ha. If the other guys attack Newt then they are just repeating what the media has said. Newt was pretty shrewd in blaming the media for everything against him. Prevents his opponents from piling on lest they be accused of supporting the very MSM they hate. ha.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Who won? I can't bear to watch them anymore. Newt is an cagey one-he can stand there and tell us the war on terror is a fraud and then manage not to say anything of substance that leads the blind out of their culdesac. Keeps everyone subservient to their own ignorance, doesn't break the established framework-just shifts it momentarily.

[-] 1 points by Jimboiam (812) 12 years ago

ha i don't know. I never watch it that closely. they are all liars. RonP is about the most honest guy i have ever seen in politics, but he has no chance of winning and he is kinda crazy with some of his ideas. I know Romney is going to get the nomination no question. i said that before the entire cycle even started. So we get a choice of tweedle dum or tweedledummer once again unless some 3rd party guy runs. I am hoping Buddy Roehmer will run as a 3rd party. He was a Dem and now R, and he is very anti corruption and wants election reform. If we could get a candidate to run on that very platform and just hammer on it, he/she would win.

[-] 2 points by MidnightWriter (38) 12 years ago

I disagree about Ron P ideas with some being crazy, which ones in particular? As far as him winning the nomination, he better are all hell will break loose. The man has never deviated in his position regarding the constitution or federal reserve. I believe we can succeed and he can succeed with our help. They even censor Ron P's last name, talk about fascism, this has got to stop.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 12 years ago

You can't win in a corrupt system. I think some of his cuts are similar to austerity measures, and I don't like that... but at the same time I know he wants to cut the federal programs... which means the states can do a local version if they want.. I wish he'd take a more similar stance to Dennis Kucinich. Either way I'm voting Ron Lawl mainly because I don't think he's corrupt. That and ending the wars, repealing the "patriot" act, and more localized state laws over federal laws.

[-] 1 points by assasin (25) 12 years ago

Ron Lawl is wrong a minarchy will just become an oligarchy sooner or later

[-] 1 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 12 years ago

Sorry, this pegs my BSometer. Politicians never had any trouble perverting the meaning of the constitution or inconvenient laws, whether or not there's a change of capitalization.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

that's fine, however, had the original been kept in the forefront, along with it's original 13th amendment, at least it would have happened in plain English by non-attorneys and those of noble pedigrees

[-] 1 points by whisper (212) 12 years ago

Interesting article, definitely worth reading more on. There is something that I am unclear on. Would I be correct in understanding that there was a version of the constitution drafted by the founding fathers, which was then taken over and redrafted by the corporation? Did the language of the constitution itself change or merely its purpose and owners? If the language of the constitution itself changed, is there a record of the original copy?

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago


This is a pretty good side by side comparison. For the purpose of academia, it would be better served devoid of the NWO and blue lodge rhetoric.

[-] 1 points by whisper (212) 12 years ago


[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

So can you give me a run down of what this nearly two hour video is about? Maybe bullet point the highlights of the draft.

[-] 1 points by Danaan (96) 12 years ago

Revolutions is now available in a shorter version.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I watched the whole thing. I had originally decided I'd both hold my breath and refrain from answering nature's calls until you gave me the run down. I'm now glad I didn't wait, or I'd still be waiting.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

details re: Prescott Bush and his dealings with Nazi Germany. http://occupywallst.org/forum/bush-nazi-dealings-continued-until-1951-federal-do/

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Occupy congress first. Put them on notice that the 99% formally deems them unconstitutional because for 100 years they have been failing to convene an article 5 convention.

Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.

5 U.S.C. 3333 required you to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,

5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,

18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.

Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.

According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.

In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311


Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"

CONVENTION PREPARATION http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?15-What-initial-amendments-will-improve-and-empower-the-conditions-of-a-convention

About article 5

Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk

Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html

Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8

After putting congress on notice Occupy state capitols demanding that state legislators enforce the Constitution for the United States of America.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Thanks for the valuable input, ChristopherABrownART5. Do you have any suggested format for putting congresspeople on notice?

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

The above post has the US codes that congress has been and is violating by not convening an article 5 convention.

Simply by occupying congress for a period of time long enough for each protestor to take the above US codes on an 8.5x11 which has a place to fill in state, and district with the congress persons name that the protester is a constituent of, then serve it with witnesses where the service is logged, congress is put on notice.

After 45 days, the standard contract period, technically legal action can be taken. In this case there is no court to rely on so the best approach is to return to each state and occupy the capitol at 45 days IF congress does not call an article 5. On this page is a form letter to the state legislation and a sample house resolution that can be adapted.

The demand of the state is to enforce the constitution because the states are the only entities beside congress that can amend and article 5 is our first and last right. If the states won't act to deem congress unconstitutional and convene on there own in a default federal constitutional act , we will have no rights.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I want to focus on your last statement, and get your thoughts "If the states won't act to deem congress unconstitutional and convene on their own in a default federal constitutional act , we will have no rights.".

I suggest 2 things: State legislatures are just as corrupted as the federal government, therefore not going to respond. Media won't help. Dozens of article v attempts have been swept under the carpet already...

Second, our rights do not terminate because of any act or non-act of a defacto government. Our rights do not derive from paper. They do not derive from article V. We have mountains of evidence to prove that state and federal governments have voided the stated and implied social contracts.

Art V is clearly our right, has clearly been attempted before. It just seems like a non-starter. I am left to ask "what then?"

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

BofL wrote: Second, our rights do not terminate because of any act or non-act of a defacto government. Our rights do not derive from paper. They do not derive from article V. We have mountains of evidence to prove that state and federal governments have voided the stated and implied social contracts.END-----

There is a contradiction there. The former is that rights are not terminated, then " state and federal governments have voided" contracts that work to secure rights.

BofL wrote: Art V is clearly our right, has clearly been attempted before. It just seems like a non-starter. I am left to ask "what then?"END-----

We are working on a full implementation of the strategy you have seen some of. Based on the previously covered issue of states applications of the past, an examination of WHY states might not want an article 5 now needs to be done by the people of states.

See my draft page on strategy.


[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I enjoyed reading your strategy draft page. It caused me to spend more time reviewing the FOAVC website as well.

From that sites question and answer area, i copied this: (4.4)   QUESTION:   Who counts the applications for an Article V Convention?   
ßback    ANSWER:    Congress is charged with counting the applications but the evidence is clear that Congress has completely ignored its constitutional responsibility in this regard. Even though Alexander Hamilton made it clear a convention call was "peremptory" on the part of Congress, Congress does not even maintain a single source of reference for compiling state applications for an Article V Convention according to research done by FOAVC member Mr. Steve Moyer. In a reply by letter to an inquiry made by Senator Bernard Sanders of Vermont at the request of Mr. Moyer, the office the National Archives and Records Administration admitted, "...there is no single category for petitions asking for amendments to the Constitution, let alone amendments by the convention route." The letter was signed by Mr. Rodney A Ross, Center for Legislative Archives.

Obviously, Congress cannot count the applications for an Article V Convention, something it is constitutionally mandated to do, if a single source showing what applications have been filed by the states does not exist. If Congress were serious about obeying the Constitution in this regard it would have long since established a single source to compile the applications and transmit the information to leaders of Congress so they could act on the information when needed. According to their own archivist this has never been done. Therefore it is fair and correct to state Congress has no intention, nor has it ever had intention, of obeying the Constitution as to calling an Article V Convention. Otherwise, at the minimum, it would maintain a record system allowing it to do so.". END

Other notable example (such as 39 states already calling for ArtV repeal of 16th ammendment (only 38 required to ammend) so technically income tax is repealed but the IRS just hasn't got the memo. And technically, the 16th amendment was never ratified, and is technically unconstitututional, is technically a voluntary tax, for those who aren't aware that the Federal Zone does not extend beyond D.C. and that the Article IV federal courts (USDC) don't really have jurisdiction (the constitution is an optional sidenote in these illegally broadcasted federal courts), that article III courts (DCUS) will only Acknowledge (by falling silent) but not uphold constitutional rights of citizens if they are forced to do so by legal renegades like Paul Mitchell (author of The Federal Zone http://www.supremelaw.org/), and the like....
We face a quagmire that does not start and end with (or is even likely mitigated by) ArtV convention. They have had plenty of time to cover those bases. Educating people about how they are being denied their constitutional rights-how Art5 denial is clearly a major example. This is part of the wider education people need right now, so I applaud it. I too have a strategy to present, though now is not the right time. Stay tuned and let's keep teaching.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Yes, sadly what appears as aquiesence of constitutional violation by states of congress appears in history. However, the peoples of those states have been intentionally kept ignorant by the "dumbing down", or the collussion to continue fraud was done by deception and artifice. If the peoples of the states knew, there is not much doubt that they would aggressively support their state in furthering their enforcement of the constitution.

In due proces of constitutional intent, the states can logically join to convene without congress.

Consider the overall strategy. The first action of this strategy is an occupation of congress that carries to all congress members at least one notice of the citizens belief that 99% of the people find congress un constitutional and guilty of violating US codes then they demand congress obey the constitution immediately. From the date of the first notice where counting begins, 45 days later the state capitals are occupied with protesters demanding that the states enforce the constitution or follow it with its true intents by three quarters joining together to ratify with their constitutional authority that a convention is convened.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I support it. I wish you all success trying to get others in ows to do same. As you know, ows (proper) has other agendas than success.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Yes, the silence on article 5 is not a good sign. But I love those people willing to get on the ground and protest against this unconstitutional government. Justifiably I wish that which leads them, would employ effective strategy, or at least discuss the notion.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

THOSE people are our people. The right time the right place, and the right strategy-it will all converge eventually. It will be a rough mixup though. We are in WWIII-nobody will call it that for a while, but it's inevitable. Sadly, there are too many sleepwalkers and hypnotized beings to wake before the whole drama unfolds. Making people aware and teaching people what's really going on amid mass tragedy, will be still more challenging. Good to see you fighting the good fight. Carry on!

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

It appears my foray into using mililtary law to provide a tool for a soldier to use in defense of the constitution, has gained some recognition.


[-] 1 points by BleeART5 (11) 12 years ago

Noticed that this whole site went down after your post. Can you repost another link? I thought the idea was excellent.


[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I'd love to hear what Paul Mitchell at Supremelaw thinks. Great work-excellent angle.

[-] 0 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Thanks for catching my unintentional misuse of language. Replace "voided" with "breached" (they certainly hope we all believe our rights have all been voided). I look forward to reading through your strategy page after work. Thank you

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Have you ever checked into seeing how many, in the Government, past and present, have denied implied consent by filing and objecting via the UCC?

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Another excellent link -representative Trafficant's speech to Congress about the bankruptcy origins of the U.S. In 1993. http://www.apfn.net/doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

[-] 1 points by larryka42 (0) 12 years ago

Just a thought..since the constitution seems to be trampled on...

  1. PUT ALL GOVERNMENT JOBS /positions UP FOR BID “like what the government does for its supplies”.
  2. Any government representative or employee with some hair brained idea or suggestion for changes in law or regulations in the community, city, county or state level must post the concept online.
  3. Set up a state wide lottery systems where 100 people from each city in a state votes weekly on any issues presented by government personnel with the voting done on line or by phone for an appointed one month period . Any proposal or suggestion by government employees or officials vote on must pass by 75% of the vote before it is put into effect by such city, county or state municipality.
  4. All government employees must wear scripted orange safety vest, Blue pants, yellow shoes and green safety glasses at all times while on the job or a combinations there of to identify particular departments.
  5. Take the money out of government and put it back in the private sector. Only mentally or physically deprived people should have opportunities in government so they make better money rather than the perfectly healthy government employees that seem to suck off the system. With the advent of the telephone and internet we as a large body of citizens really don’t need a few career government representatives or government employees being on a payroll and controlling the masses and their rights. Too many citizens are out there where we as an educated society could figure out a way to minimize government s intrusive and bloated behaviors within our lives and create a more balanced rule of the people.

Check out how the forest service over stepping the constitution http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news287.htm

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Wow, between that and the garbage the Senate just ran through, it looks like a pincher maneuver. Like it wouldn't really matter if congress had to write the laws for them to be legal, they'd do it and are obviously not concerned. Almost like they are glad to have that load taken off of them so they can stay focused on collecting lots of bribes and making great stock deals.

[-] 1 points by kingscrosssection (314) 12 years ago

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Following is copied from another OWS forum-not my words:

Yes! Non-Compliance is the way to go! Safest too! Here's another way: OWS is evolving as it goes along! Some of the younger folk know something is wrong, but still don't know exactly what, like us awakened people do. What I don't understand is, why are none of the names of the criminal elites on all the signs that the protesters are carrying? The thing that the elite cabal fear MORE THAN ANYTHING, is the knowledge that we know who they are personally...and total exposure is the only thing that will stop them! "End the Fed" is a great start, but it is still too benevolent. We should be carrying signs that show loudly and clearly that we know exactly who they are! That way they can't hide behind the faceless blanket term "GLOBALISTS", 'BANKERS', "ELITE", "FEDERAL RESERVE", "1%" or "NWO". Most people think the Federal Reserve is a government entity. It is not. It is privately owned by the world's wealthiest families and royal families who have violently protected their identiites from being connected to the federal reserve. They are responsible for a countless loss of life to try to keep this secret for many, many, many generations. The internet has been their worst enemy and hopefully will release their strangle hold on us. The signs should read things like "ROTHSCHILDS END YOUR RULE", "ROTHSCHILDS SHOULD BE IN JAIL", "ROCKEFELLERS ARE GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMINALS", "KISSINGER WANTS 90% DEPOPULATION", "QUEEN ELIZABETH & PRINCE CHARLES ARE DEPOPULATIONISTS", "KRUPPS ARE KILLERS", "ASTORS ARE BANKER THEIVES", "BUSH FAMILY ARE GENOCIDE PLOTTERS", "BUFFET ENGINEERED ECONOMIC CRASH", "GREENSPAN ENGINEERED ECONOMIC MELTDOWN", "GLOBALISTS DEPOPULATE YOURSELVES - END YOUR RULE", "MEROVINGIANS ARE THEIVES", "WALDORFS ARE KILLERS", "FREEMANS ARE CRIMINALS", "CARNEGIES ARE CRIMINALS", "SCHIFFS ARE BANKER CRIMINALS", "MONARCH FINANCIAL RULE ENDS NOW", etc. Unless we expose the ROOT CAUSE, the invisible ruling elite will still be there to do these things to us again another day. The important but lesser problems will get fixed properly once the ruling elite are gone and honest people are elected. Always aim to take down the very top peak of the pyramid....or nothing will ever change. EXPOSE THEM!! If the whole world knows who they are, they can't hide. Each country that is protesting, needs to look up their countries ruling elite names, illuminati names, NWO names and get them on as many signs as possible and show the whole world who they are! If we focus on this one idea, they won't be in power for much longer. Spread the word!! Don't do this by yourself! This has to be done en masse....if only a few do this, they'll be escorted away. But if tens of thousands do it at the same time, what are they going to do? They can't get all of us. Strength in numbers! There are many more North American criminal ruling elite families that need to be exposed; CLINTONS, WARBURGS, LEHMANS, MORGANS, SOROS, RUSSELS, COLLINS, RUMSFELDS, CHENEYS, GATES, KOCH BROTHERS, KUHN LOEBS, LAZARDS, VANDERBILTS, DUPONTS, MCDONALDS, DESMARAIS, WINDSORS, CAPETIANS, BORJAS, VATICAN BANK, LI'S, SAUDI ROYALS, MONSANTOS, and others.... EXPOSE THESE CRIMINAL RULERS!!!! They need to see their own names on tv. Watch: The Money Masters ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs History of The Federal Reserve ~ Enlightening! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7757684583209015812 Your fellow human being sovaye ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] gnomunny 1 points 17 minutes ago Leynna/renaye . . . . is that you? ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] sovaye 1 points 8 minutes ago Its me! Kept getting banned for this post. I'll see how long they'll let me go along with this one hahaha! ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] BofL 1 points 1 hour ago YOU are totally on track. Check our forum here and repost this there would you?http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/ resources here are excellent. Thanks! Keep fighting the good fight-occupy THE LAWS and take back our republic! Teach these folks who are trying to wake up-unravel the idiotic posts by Anon anarchist wanabes, hasbarats, communists trying to make the whole OWS movement appear as a violent brainless hate-fest. Rock on! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ChristopherABrownART5 (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 36 minutes ago BofL wrote: YOU are totally on track. Check our forum here and repost this there would you?http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/ resources here are excellent. Thanks! Keep fighting the good fight-occupy THE LAWS and take back our republic! END----- Excellent, and the republic has a law built into it, our first and last constitutional right, Article 5, that is designed just to do that. Lawful and peaceful rebellion. Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8 ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

IF, you discuss the TDA, 1099 OID, 1099 A, A4V stuff with any regular citizens who have been doing this and not been hauled away, let me know.

I have become aware that some, that were not the "communistically chosen and citizen subsidized big winner corps", who utilize these wild money leveraging techniques, that haven't fared well.

Look forward to talking to you again.

good luck and cool logo

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/01/you-are-all-slaves.html article is a fair intro to the issues you raised(despite the title). It would require studious preparation and a lot of willpower...and witnesses. That's what we all need to be able to do for each other. Team effort.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

This link has a very easy-to-follow run-down on the legal fiction concept-for anyone failing to grasp the mechanics. British author.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

This is a fantastic email reply from the man who wrote The Federal Zone. Please take time to review the laws we HAVE in place to deal with THE problem. Thank you Paul!


You're welcome,

Perhaps, instead of marching against police and getting maced, pepper-sprayed and arrested, OWS could consider a variant of the "Teach-Ins" that were so successful during the Vietnam War.

There is enough on the IRS in the Supreme Law Library to fill a week of day-long lectures and study groups:

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/nutshell.htm   ("in a nutshell")

If each participant will tell 10 others, and if each of those 10 tells 10 more etc., the truth about the banksters and their bank racket will reach millions in no time at all.


-- Sincerely yours, /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964 http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.attorney.general.htm http://www.supremelaw.org/reading.list.htm http://www.supremelaw.org/index.htm (Home Page) http://www.supremelaw.org/support.policy.htm (Support Policy) http://www.supremelaw.org/guidelines.htm (Client Guidelines) http://www.supremelaw.org/support.guidelines.htm (Policy + Guidelines)

All Rights Reserved without Prejudice

Please visit the best forum thread on the Occupy Wall Street website -dedicated to educating people about critical work you have pioneered.


I'm still reading through your material, learning as fast as I can, trying to put it in front of as many of the sincere people I can fish out of the mess that is OWS.

Thank You!

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

Sirpoeticjustice posted this in another forum-I invited him here to discuss

The Legal System is 100% fraud based on admiralty. Citizen "ship" = the waters of birth representing a vessel's maiden voyage. Illegitimate nautical law. Just say “motion to dismiss based on lack of subject matter jurisdiction. I AM A SOVEREIGN. I am not a legal person. I am the holder in due course of the trade name you have called. If you are using this trade name you must pay me. And I would like a copy of your notarized oath of office, your honor.


[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

I've been through both sites-usavsus and the gemworld (original site). While the updated site has lots more links to ancillary issues, I favor the original site because the updated site contains fringe-theory that will distract skeptics from carefully going through the constitutional fraud, step by step. Peripheral links also contain misinfo/disinfo (whether intentional or not-I don't know). Just my 2 cents on that:)

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago


"You don't have liability for your STRAWMAN. If you do commercial assignments, you have an asset called a Bill of Exchange which you can spend out. The birth certificate represents the body. The SSN represents the commercial account. Behind every birth certificate is a $1,000,000 bond which is pre-paid financing on any activity of the STRAWMAN. Some people have used their TDA to pay off their home or commercial mortgage, bank or student loans, tax liens, or credit card debt.. "

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

That's a great link -raises lots of points I will try to investigate and answer as well.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I am reasonably sure that some things have changed since 2004. I believe it used to be "without prejudice UCC 207" which went with your signature upon legal dealings with the corporate government. Now it is UCC 308. IF I recall correctly.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I agree although I haven't cross checked the main content, down the middle of the page, for changes between the two. I think a better laid out page, sans any distractions, might lend itself to grabbing and retaining a reader's attention.

[-] 1 points by BofL (434) 12 years ago

My opinion also. You will find minor edits to central content-I can't remember where... The author has, of course, rendered complex histories, briefly cited, outside the fictional framework of government sponsored text-books. It's artfully simple with intent to preserve the historical truth that is buried under our noses. You can jump off any point and research it-widen the aspect ratio...that's the beauty of it, in my opinion.