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Forum Post: Why I just don't believe the government. Or- Why can't experts get their stories straight??

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 20, 2011, 11:16 p.m. EST by alouis (1511) from New York, NY
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I first wondered who might have done it? Palestinians? Other Muslims? Vietnamese, or Serbians, or...? My country's rulers had been for decades going all around the world, trying to dominate it and pissing lots of people off, mainly by killing their loved ones. I got into a conversation a couple of years later with someone who agreed that lots of people might have a motive of revenge, but that it was the government that had to have done it. Then I remembered NYPD cops telling people at ground zero (I worked nearby there) to put away their cameras, that they were not allowed to photgraph a crime scene. One two three, the "crime scene" got carted away which I thought odd at the time. My friend reminded me of just how odd that was, and since then I have felt that the government has to prove it didn't do this terrible deed. And it hasn't. It has done everything to avert a real investigation.

Where was the air force?

How could they have not defended The Pentagon, the center of the world's most massive and powerful military? Nor evacuate it? Nor have it under surveillance ?

Why can't the experts get their stories straight? http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/11/14/911-theories-expert-vs-expert/

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2011/11/911-theories-expert-vs-expert-aluminum.html

Yes, I must be so evil.

My daughter was near there and she saw people jumping from high floors, and she knew someone who died there but no I have no friends or relatives who were murdered there that day. I worked nearby and for a long time (I don't remember how long) the streets were covered with the ashes of the dead, mixed in with all sorts of pulverized construction material, and only God knows what else. I surely breathed that brew into my lungs for days on end.

http://911blogger.com/news/2008-06-23/their-own-words-admissions-people-who-wrote-911-commission-report-it-was-compromised

But I'm evil. I ought to be like Noam Chomsky and not worry about who does what to our country or to the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33800) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

I haven't seen it but people who I trust say the movie is very good. Then what? We need to build Occupy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33800) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

This is about building Occupy and 99%. If this is widely seen it will cut through a lot of the crap being thrown or spewed by the Corruption/Greed supporters. This is about educating everyone about the necessity of taking action to bring about change/reform.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 7 years ago

-] alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 4 minutes ago

The silence is deafening.

http://occupywallst.org/article/mumia-abu-jamal-my-friends-ows/#comment-521831

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[-] alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 34 minutes ago Post that was censored from this forum:

Forum Post: Meditation upon listening to Radio Occupy Wall Street yesterday evening. Posted 24 minutes ago on Dec. 29, 2011, 5:41 a.m. EST by alouis (New York, NY) This content is user submitted and not an official statement

I drive a taxi in New York City at night and I listen a lot to the radio. One program I caught yesterday was WBAI's Occupy Wall Street Radio. A young woman there made mention of a forbidden personage whose initials are AJ. Now I'm not a fan of AJ but he has some interesting guests on his program including Greg Palast and Noam Chomsky.

The young woman spoke of a grove in California where the many of the world's elite meet twice a year. they conduct a bizarre ceremony They call The Cremation of Kare. AJ had gotten inside at this convocation and recorded the festivities. I guess she wanted to point out the inhumanity of the one percent, and this ceremony that so many leaders of the one percent enjoy would point in that direction- they're not human in the true sense of the word. Lizards? I don't think so, but probably a few million people do think so. http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/wbai_111228_183102owsr.mp3 I want OWS supporters to understand that people come to the movement with all sorts of opinions and beliefs, some held very strongly and sincerely, even if others find them odd or demonstrative of ignorance.

This young woman who praised AJ's effort and condemned fluoridation is one case in point. It is best don't you think, to let her have her beliefs, even if arrogant whiteboy/schoolboys sneer at them, and to welcome her into the movement. I am so glad the first person she met from OWS was not any moderator of this website. This is my very last post under this handle. It's too easy to imitate and misuse.

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[-] TheEqualizer 1 points 1 hour ago

this website needs some serious moderation. the chat room is also outta control with disrespectful members and moderators that back them.

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[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 7 years ago

""The United States economy is like a poker game where the chips have become concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and where the other fellows can stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit runs out the game will stop." -Mariner Eccles Chairman of the Federal Reserve under FDR You're probably wondering. If these guys were right and the wealth was heavily concentrated just prior to the Great Depression, how did we recover? That's simple but not well known. There was a partial redistribution from the mid '30's to the mid '70's. So why are we in this mess again?"

Another small point about "redistribution." After WWII the US was the only major economic power left standing. The US was a gigantic creditor nation and it pretty much scooped up the British Empire for itself. Now, THERE's a redistribution!

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

Your information is well presented and helpful. People should spread it in every possible way.

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 7 years ago

I would ask, what would you propose, that would eliminate the possibility of such? What can 'we' as a community install, so that acts of war, ALL acts of war, are eliminated?

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

I fear humanity has to go through a lot more hell before it gets to heaven.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 7 years ago

Good post.

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[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

That whole thing was read from teleprompters. I'm not going to be an ass and act like they couldn't have written it, but still, come on.

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[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Dunno. Never said they did, never said they didn't. And then there's this odd story: http://www.commandposts.com/2011/08/911-commission-report-zacarias-moussaoui/

I'm sorry, but there's no way "they" could have done it. Couple things people forget about that day is 1) Building 7 fell by itself. No planes, no fires(except the magical underground kind where the building falls onto the street, not into it, and 2) the "hijackers" have been found alive all over the world.

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[-] 1 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Bin Laden also helped finance Bush Jr. The Bin Laden they carted out to take reponsibility is also different from the Bin Laden we all know and love. There have been many programs showing these guys walking aroung, and talking to reporters.

The report I read said he wanted to learn to take off and land not just fly, but then things turn into Whisper Down the Lane pretty quick depending on who's news you listen to.

Now for the building. By your reasoning, there should be other buildings going down also. Why would they target just that building then?? here's a list of tenants: Salomon Smith Barney
IRS Regional Council
U.S. Secret Service
C.I.A.
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
First State Management Group, Inc Federal Home Loan Bank
NAIC Securities
Securities & Exchange Commission
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt

The last entry is also a Red Flag. After the WTC bombings(not 9/11), the building was made stronger. If it was so good, then why was the mayor and his cabinet holed up somewhere else?? Not to mention, the other WTC buildings had "splash damage" and nothing happened to them.

Then there was the word on the street: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WZpXiEKAo

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

just close commercial by clicking X on the top right http://rutube.ru/tracks/4656912.html jump to 13 min cause it is boring. And then to 26 min of video clip

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

just close commercial by clicking X on the top right http://rutube.ru/tracks/4656916.html

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago
[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

bs. i didnt expect nothing but bs from Yahoo

[-] 1 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Yep. 9/11 was set up by Bush. There are automated defenses at the Pentagon that didn't work on 9/11. No actual plane parts(from any kind of commercial plane) were seen. The buildings fell in a straight line. Like a demo project. Even a newscaster said it looked like a planned explosion(it as a male from NBC. Can't remember the name. Do remember him saying it). A lot of people made a lot of money over this. Most of them in our own borders. Look up Arabusto -little Bush-, things get even stranger.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago
[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

That's actually one of my favorite songs. Never knew there was a video, Thanks!!

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

there is many songs. but its just sad...

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

These artists don't get their good stuff played anymore like they used to in the 90's. It sucks, that's one of the main reasons I don't listen to the radio anymore. No money, no airplay, these guys don't do that-nor should any truly good artist, for that matter

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[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

this post is a fire!

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[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 7 years ago

i know 9-11 is huge but man the kennedy assassination set it all up enabled the players to get in position to rule the world now just imagine if kennedy who had over 60% approval rating heading towards the election now less than a year away at the time. now just imagine for just one minute that jack and his bobby don't get shot in 63 and 68. perhaps we pull out of vietnam, perhaps we engage the cubans and russians peace talks, perhaps bobby crushes the mob, perhaps kennedy breaks up the cia, perhaps we get equal rights and civil rights legislation, perhaps he ends of the federal reserve, with certainty we can say that we probably get all of these things as the the brothers possibly run the table for another 13 years with teddy waiting in the wings as these things happen over the course of jacks 2nd term and bobby's 1st now do you see how much these men had to loose? there may have been 3 kill teams organized like independent terrorist cells all coordinated by the cia. the plot involved 3 distinct sub plots 1 oswald the fall guy operation that may or may not have used him as one of the shooters 2 the mafia plot the new orleans, tampa, and chicago bosses specifically were involved and provided tactical and financial support 3 cuban/cia plot johnson/cia wanted kennedy out of the way for a whole host of reasons we are talking about the military idustrial complex and all it's seemingly unrelated tentacles. the thing about kennedy it enabled the players of 9-11 to be in place and just like 9-11 it is like an onion you just keep peeling back layer after layer. it is amazing truly. but we got to get these bastards before they die. the OWS citizens brigade lol. i tell ya what if it ever does go ape shit here and we come out on top like i believe we will when the people wake up i wanna see these bastards perp walked could you imagine if they arrested bush sr., and kissenger and any of these old fucks that rule the world that are left that killed them. could you imagine the news??????????? biggest news story in history...... the world would be beyond astonished the headline would be insane BUSH SR. & KISSENGER OTHERS INDICTED FOR JFK MURDER CONSPIRACY, COVERUP. one can dream for justice can't they????

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 7 years ago

it's the usual suspects time after time the same neo cons again and again. they have ran the cia/military industrial complex since ww2 and by proxy the us government. soon their fascist state will complete.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 7 years ago

the e howard hunt confession http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD4611qW6R8&feature=related george h w bush at dealey plaza http://tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm document proving bush was in cia before being appointed director http://tomflocco.com/Docs/Jfk/HooverFbiMemo.htm down the rabbit whole http://www.stewwebb.com/Bush%20Crime%20Family%20Flow%20Chart.HTML
the mother load http://www.stewwebb.com/ kissenger and david rockefeller you bastards http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17367

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 7 years ago

nothing new they blew off kennedy's head every presidency since then has been under the power of the coup of 63. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWNDPx4Pm0&feature=related when will we get justice for jfk, rfk, mlk????? when we must before kissenger and bush die we must hold them accountable for what they did.

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

Well, as things look now the malefactors are going to die of old age in comfortable beds in big houses, but not in "the big house." Yes I agree that since the murders of JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton the US is under a post coup regime. But the horse is long out of the barn.

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[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 7 years ago

"Maybe he got the old "You're with us, or you're against us..." spiel. Meaning agree, or pay your last respects and jump in a pine box......"

Yeah, they do things that way.

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[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 7 years ago

while they still live, justice can be served.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

Hypothetically I suppose so.

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[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 7 years ago

I remembered NYPD cops telling people at ground zero (I worked nearby there) to put away their cameras, that they were not allowed to photgraph a crime scene. One two three, the "crime scene" got carted away which I thought odd at the time. My friend reminded me of just how odd that was, and since then I have felt that the government has to prove it didn't do this terrible deed. And it hasn't. It has done everything to avert a real investigation.

Where was the air force?