Forum Post: Iran, 911 and OWS
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 24, 2011, 5:06 a.m. EST by alouis
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So now it looks like the ground is being laid for some form of attack on Iran, in a serious way. What is almost a joke is how now ten years plus after the event, it's being bruited about that Iran (that's with an "n"' and not a "q") was in real deep on the 911 crime. Oops so yeah that thing about Iraq was a spelling error !?
03.08.2011
Contact: info@realite-eu.org
US Confirms Iran-Al-Qaeda Connection
Weighing in on the debate over the extent of links between Iran’s Shiite regime and Sunni al-Qaeda, the US Treasury Department last week accused Tehran of permitting al-Qaeda operatives to funnel money and people through its territory to the terrorist group's leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Iran’s "secret deal" with al-Qaeda
On July 28, the Treasury imposed sanctions on Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil, who it called "al-Qaeda’s representative in Iran," and five other members of his network. [1]
According to the Treasury, the network was "operating under an agreement between al-Qaeda and the Iranian government."
"Today’s action… demonstrates that Iran is a critical transit point for funding to support al-Qaeda’s activities in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This network serves as the core pipeline through which al-Qaeda moves money, facilitators and operatives from across the Middle East to South Asia, including to Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, a key al-Qaeda leader based in Pakistan," the Treasury said in a statement.
"By exposing Iran’s secret deal with al-Qaeda allowing it to funnel funds and operatives through its territory, we are illuminating yet another aspect of Iran’s unmatched support for terrorism,” said Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen.
Iran and al-Qaeda cooperate despite the Sunni-Shiite divide
Iranian connections to al-Qaeda have long been debated, as many analysts have insisted that the rift between Sunnis and Shiites would prevent them from working together. [2]
However, Tehran has demonstrated for many years its ability to cooperate with radical Sunni groups. In fact, this is not the first time Washington has drawn a link between the Islamic Republic and the terrorist group.
The 9/11 Commission Report revealed that during the 1990s, while in Sudan, "senior managers in al-Qaeda maintained contacts with Iran and the Iranian-supported worldwide terrorist organization Hezbollah… al-Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al-Qaeda figures after bin Laden's return to Afghanistan." [3]
According to the report, "discussions in Sudan between al-Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support - even if only training - for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al-Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives."
The report also disclosed that some of the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks traveled through Iran: "…there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al-Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers."
After US forces entered Afghanistan to topple the Taliban regime in 2001, some of the most prominent elements in al-Qaeda's leadership and members of Osama bin Laden's family found refuge in Iran. [4]
In 2003, the US intercepted communications suggesting that these Iran-based al-Qaeda leaders had directed attacks in Saudi Arabia. Washington then asked Lakhdar Brahimi, a senior United Nations official, to convey to Iranian officials "our deep, deep concern that individuals associated with al-Qaeda have planned and directed the attack in Saudi Arabia from inside Iran." [5]
In November 2005, the State Department's third ranking official said the US believed "that some al-Qaeda members and those from like-minded extremist groups continue to use Iran as a safe haven and as a hub to facilitate their operations." [6]
General David Petraeus, the new CIA director, told Congress last year that al-Qaeda was using Iran as a "key facilitation hub, where facilitators connect al-Qaeda’s senior leadership to regional affiliates". [7]
For its part, Iran has denied any links to al-Qaeda. "Iran itself has been a victim of acts of terrorism in the past which have resulted in the loss of hundreds of innocent Iranian lives," a spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said last week. "Iran has always opposed supporting and financing terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda." [8]
References:
[1] "Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa’ida Funding and Support Network Using Iran as a Critical Transit Point," July 28, 2011, http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/tg1261.aspx
[2] "Treasury Accuses Iran of Aiding Al Qaeda," The New York times, July 28, 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/29terror.html
[3] "The 9/11 Commission Report," http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
[4] "U.S. Sees Iranian, al Qaeda Alliance," The Wall Street Journal, July 29, 2011, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474160157070954.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
[5] "U.S. Suggests a Qaeda Cell in Iran Directed Saudi Bombings," The New York Times, May 20, 2003, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/21/international/middleeast/21IRAN.html?pagewanted=all
[6] "Some U.S. Officials Fear Iran Is Helping Al Qaeda," Los Angeles Times, March 21, 2006, http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/21/world/fg-iranterror21
[7] "U.S. accuses Iran of aiding al-Qaeda," The Washington Post, July 29, 2011, http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-accuses-iran-of-aiding-al-qaeda/2011/07/28/gIQARUPxfI_story.html
[8] Ibid.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57347506/judge-iran-taliban-al-qaida-liable-for-9-11/
Not only this judge is in on the act, not by a long shot.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/05/america-now-accuses-iran-of-911/
Iran's president says he believes that 911 was caused by elements of the US government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4phNuwx8Hs
What does this 911 stuff have to do with OWS? Who should care? Well, if this war fever takes off, forget any reasonable chance of our government addressing the problems OW points to, and forget about any tolerance at all of protest.
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Iraq, Iran, Ireland, any other countries starting with IR... ?
nupe
Yep, afraid you´re right, and it will not be a war far away from your house this time I guess. Don´t think there is any stopping possible either.
Look, now, Iran does not have any nuclear weapon program.
Start screaming this now. Now.
Iran is 10 times the size of Iraq
Our generals (pre Iraq war) said we needed 500,000 troops in Iraq
So we need 5,000,000 in Iran?!?!? Impossible.
Unlike Iraq - a supressed Sunni-Shiite civil war held together by a primitive dictator - Iran has the largest PROGRESSIVE - WESTERN LOVING - youth population
I do not know about Iran's bomb but here are two tidbits
@--> Saddam's wmds were his "ghost" weapon that he was using to keep Iran off of his back.
@--> Korea's bomb tests were always underground and were unusually small.
[my conspiracy theory> Korea buried tons of ordinary nuclear waste and 10,000 tons of TNT and blew it up. <my conspiracy theory]
Iran is about three times the size of Iraq and is no piece of cake.
I hope the people around Obama calm down on this thing, but I do believe the people have to raise their voices now. To accuse Iran NOW of culpability for 911 is off the hook, don't you think so?
About Iranian public opinion: http://csis.org/publication/iran-public-opinion-foreign-nucler-and-domestic-issues Iran: Public Opinion on Foreign, Nuclear and Domestic Issues International Peace Institute with Charney Research By International Peace Institute with Charney Research DEC 27, 2010
Key findings from national telephone survey of 702 Iranians between August 30 and Sept 7, 2010 include: Iranians divided on governments performance. Dissatisfied with economy. Worry over sanctions and isolation. Want to focus on domestic affairs. Favor closer ties with the west Rising tensions sparked hostility towards the US, Europe, and UN. Favor nuclear arms and do not want to back deals that halt enrichment. Independent polls do not contractdict official turnout of 2009 election, which gave around 60% of vote to Ahmadinejad. Support to religious institutions remains substantial but majority expect democratization. Download full results from http://csis.org/files/publication/101227_PRS-Iran_Poll_IPI_Policy_Forum.pdf.
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Pretty scary stuff. Goring was the Nazi founder of the Gestapo, Head of the Luftwaffe; in English his name is also spelled as Hermann Goering.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring
I think this is happening in our country right now.
Also the recent passing of the NDAA will lead to much more war.
“This bill authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress. The founders saw Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which places in the hands of Congress the war power, as essential to a check and balance against the executive abuse of power. This legislation diminishes Congress' role in that regard.” -congressman Dennis Kucinich.
It's alllll connected - 9/11 - financial collapse - potentially attacking Iran
State sponsored terrorism - state sponsored gansterism...
the rise of a global counter culture.
...All convulsions of a dying world system
Not only is al Qaeda a joke, but wouldn't it be more reasonable to blame Pakistan if you needed a different country to blame? That judge fails.
Merry Christmas to all conspiracy theorists!
Merry Christmas to all conspiracy theorists!
References: [1] "Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa’ida Funding and Support Network Using Iran as a Critical Transit Point," July 28, 2011, http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/tg1261.aspx [2] "Treasury Accuses Iran of Aiding Al Qaeda," The New York times, July 28, 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/29terror.html [3] "The 9/11 Commission Report," http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf [4] "U.S. Sees Iranian, al Qaeda Alliance," The Wall Street Journal, July 29, 2011, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474160157070954.html?mod=googlenews_wsj [5] "U.S. Suggests a Qaeda Cell in Iran Directed Saudi Bombings," The New York Times, May 20, 2003, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/21/international/middleeast/21IRAN.html?pagewanted=all [6] "Some U.S. Officials Fear Iran Is Helping Al Qaeda," Los Angeles Times, March 21, 2006, http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/21/world/fg-iranterror21 [7] "U.S. accuses Iran of aiding al-Qaeda," The Washington Post, July 29, 2011, http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-accuses-iran-of-aiding-al-qaeda/2011/07/28/gIQARUPxfI_story.html [8] Ibid.
Merry Christmas to all conspiracy theorists!
03.08.2011
Contact: info@realite-eu.org
US Confirms Iran-Al-Qaeda Connection
Weighing in on the debate over the extent of links between Iran’s Shiite regime and Sunni al-Qaeda, the US Treasury Department last week accused Tehran of permitting al-Qaeda operatives to funnel money and people through its territory to the terrorist group's leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Iran’s "secret deal" with al-Qaeda
On July 28, the Treasury imposed sanctions on Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil, who it called "al-Qaeda’s representative in Iran," and five other members of his network. [1]
According to the Treasury, the network was "operating under an agreement between al-Qaeda and the Iranian government."
"Today’s action… demonstrates that Iran is a critical transit point for funding to support al-Qaeda’s activities in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This network serves as the core pipeline through which al-Qaeda moves money, facilitators and operatives from across the Middle East to South Asia, including to Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, a key al-Qaeda leader based in Pakistan," the Treasury said in a statement.
"By exposing Iran’s secret deal with al-Qaeda allowing it to funnel funds and operatives through its territory, we are illuminating yet another aspect of Iran’s unmatched support for terrorism,” said Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen.
Iran and al-Qaeda cooperate despite the Sunni-Shiite divide
Iranian connections to al-Qaeda have long been debated, as many analysts have insisted that the rift between Sunnis and Shiites would prevent them from working together. [2]
However, Tehran has demonstrated for many years its ability to cooperate with radical Sunni groups. In fact, this is not the first time Washington has drawn a link between the Islamic Republic and the terrorist group.
The 9/11 Commission Report revealed that during the 1990s, while in Sudan, "senior managers in al-Qaeda maintained contacts with Iran and the Iranian-supported worldwide terrorist organization Hezbollah… al-Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al-Qaeda figures after bin Laden's return to Afghanistan." [3]
According to the report, "discussions in Sudan between al-Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support - even if only training - for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al-Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives."
The report also disclosed that some of the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks traveled through Iran: "…there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al-Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers."
After US forces entered Afghanistan to topple the Taliban regime in 2001, some of the most prominent elements in al-Qaeda's leadership and members of Osama bin Laden's family found refuge in Iran. [4]
In 2003, the US intercepted communications suggesting that these Iran-based al-Qaeda leaders had directed attacks in Saudi Arabia. Washington then asked Lakhdar Brahimi, a senior United Nations official, to convey to Iranian officials "our deep, deep concern that individuals associated with al-Qaeda have planned and directed the attack in Saudi Arabia from inside Iran." [5]
In November 2005, the State Department's third ranking official said the US believed "that some al-Qaeda members and those from like-minded extremist groups continue to use Iran as a safe haven and as a hub to facilitate their operations." [6]
General David Petraeus, the new CIA director, told Congress last year that al-Qaeda was using Iran as a "key facilitation hub, where facilitators connect al-Qaeda’s senior leadership to regional affiliates". [7]
For its part, Iran has denied any links to al-Qaeda. "Iran itself has been a victim of acts of terrorism in the past which have resulted in the loss of hundreds of innocent Iranian lives," a spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said last week. "Iran has always opposed supporting and financing terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda." [8]
References:
[1] "Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa’ida Funding and Support Network Using Iran as a Critical Transit Point," July 28, 2011, http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/tg1261.aspx
[2] "Treasury Accuses Iran of Aiding Al Qaeda," The New York times, July 28, 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/29terror.html
[3] "The 9/11 Commission Report," http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
[4] "U.S. Sees Iranian, al Qaeda Alliance," The Wall Street Journal, July 29, 2011, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474160157070954.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
[5] "U.S. Suggests a Qaeda Cell in Iran Directed Saudi Bombings," The New York Times, May 20, 2003, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/21/international/middleeast/21IRAN.html?pagewanted=all
[6] "Some U.S. Officials Fear Iran Is Helping Al Qaeda," Los Angeles Times, March 21, 2006, http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/21/world/fg-iranterror21
[7] "U.S. accuses Iran of aiding al-Qaeda," The Washington Post, July 29, 2011, http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-accuses-iran-of-aiding-al-qaeda/2011/07/28/gIQARUPxfI_story.html
[8] Ibid.
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So, are you suggesting we take Iranian 9-11 inside job conspiracy theories seriously? Let me guess, you're a 'truther'? Lol... OWS attracted so many weirdos; no wonder it failed.
03.08.2011
Contact: info@realite-eu.org
US Confirms Iran-Al-Qaeda Connection
Weighing in on the debate over the extent of links between Iran’s Shiite regime and Sunni al-Qaeda, the US Treasury Department last week accused Tehran of permitting al-Qaeda operatives to funnel money and people through its territory to the terrorist group's leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Iran’s "secret deal" with al-Qaeda
On July 28, the Treasury imposed sanctions on Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil, who it called "al-Qaeda’s representative in Iran," and five other members of his network. [1]
According to the Treasury, the network was "operating under an agreement between al-Qaeda and the Iranian government."
"Today’s action… demonstrates that Iran is a critical transit point for funding to support al-Qaeda’s activities in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This network serves as the core pipeline through which al-Qaeda moves money, facilitators and operatives from across the Middle East to South Asia, including to Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, a key al-Qaeda leader based in Pakistan," the Treasury said in a statement.
"By exposing Iran’s secret deal with al-Qaeda allowing it to funnel funds and operatives through its territory, we are illuminating yet another aspect of Iran’s unmatched support for terrorism,” said Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen.
Iran and al-Qaeda cooperate despite the Sunni-Shiite divide
Iranian connections to al-Qaeda have long been debated, as many analysts have insisted that the rift between Sunnis and Shiites would prevent them from working together. [2]
However, Tehran has demonstrated for many years its ability to cooperate with radical Sunni groups. In fact, this is not the first time Washington has drawn a link between the Islamic Republic and the terrorist group.
The 9/11 Commission Report revealed that during the 1990s, while in Sudan, "senior managers in al-Qaeda maintained contacts with Iran and the Iranian-supported worldwide terrorist organization Hezbollah… al-Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al-Qaeda figures after bin Laden's return to Afghanistan." [3]
According to the report, "discussions in Sudan between al-Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support - even if only training - for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al-Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives."
The report also disclosed that some of the hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks traveled through Iran: "…there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al-Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers."
After US forces entered Afghanistan to topple the Taliban regime in 2001, some of the most prominent elements in al-Qaeda's leadership and members of Osama bin Laden's family found refuge in Iran. [4]
In 2003, the US intercepted communications suggesting that these Iran-based al-Qaeda leaders had directed attacks in Saudi Arabia. Washington then asked Lakhdar Brahimi, a senior United Nations official, to convey to Iranian officials "our deep, deep concern that individuals associated with al-Qaeda have planned and directed the attack in Saudi Arabia from inside Iran." [5]
In November 2005, the State Department's third ranking official said the US believed "that some al-Qaeda members and those from like-minded extremist groups continue to use Iran as a safe haven and as a hub to facilitate their operations." [6]
General David Petraeus, the new CIA director, told Congress last year that al-Qaeda was using Iran as a "key facilitation hub, where facilitators connect al-Qaeda’s senior leadership to regional affiliates". [7]
For its part, Iran has denied any links to al-Qaeda. "Iran itself has been a victim of acts of terrorism in the past which have resulted in the loss of hundreds of innocent Iranian lives," a spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said last week. "Iran has always opposed supporting and financing terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda." [8]
References:
[1] "Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa’ida Funding and Support Network Using Iran as a Critical Transit Point," July 28, 2011, http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/tg1261.aspx
[2] "Treasury Accuses Iran of Aiding Al Qaeda," The New York times, July 28, 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/29terror.html
[3] "The 9/11 Commission Report," http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
[4] "U.S. Sees Iranian, al Qaeda Alliance," The Wall Street Journal, July 29, 2011, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474160157070954.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
[5] "U.S. Suggests a Qaeda Cell in Iran Directed Saudi Bombings," The New York Times, May 20, 2003, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/21/international/middleeast/21IRAN.html?pagewanted=all
[6] "Some U.S. Officials Fear Iran Is Helping Al Qaeda," Los Angeles Times, March 21, 2006, http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/21/world/fg-iranterror21
[7] "U.S. accuses Iran of aiding al-Qaeda," The Washington Post, July 29, 2011, http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-accuses-iran-of-aiding-al-qaeda/2011/07/28/gIQARUPxfI_story.html
[8] Ibid.
Merry Christmas to all conspiracy theorists!