Forum Post: Why Have Liberals Become Wedded to Government Unions?
Posted 11 years ago on June 7, 2012, 6:34 p.m. EST by RealWorld2
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What's liberal or progressive about supporting government unions? Why not oppose the conflict of interest as bad government? Why not understand that electing your own boss weakens government's ability to fulfill its mission? Why support government programs being crowded out to fund growing shares of tax revenues simply going to benefits and retirements? Why are the benefits so worth closing libraries?
What's liberal about it? How are you for working families, when many more working families are harmed by the taxes and curtailment of services that are caused by public unions? How come liberals can't separate in their heads being for unions, but being against public unions because of the conflict problem and the other issues of governance and crowding out?
Is this just some twisted liberal labor trickle down? Feed the government unions, have them live better than you, off of you, and you'll be better off later?
Why? What's liberal in any of it? Seriously, I don't get it.
PS... So far, not even close to an answer in any of your posts. Just Teabagger this or that, but no answers.
You teabaggers think if you get rid of gov and state unions everything will be peachy. Go ahead dumbass. Republicans know they have to re-invent themselves and that means going after incompetent gov workers and firing their asses. They're ripping us off. Your boy Walker didn't do squat because a lot a people need to be fired for the crap they're pulling on government paychecks. Baggers believe all the ideological crap their masters feed them but their masters only tell them so much. Have a nice day in baggerstan dummy.
"baggers" aren't just as bad as Dem and Rep voters. At least they are attempting to do something outside of the establishment.
I dont agree with a lot of their views, but I respect the activism.
But with them, it won't be peachy. It's a corruption that liberals should be ashamed to support... but you aren't.
Are you a bagger or a republican? Divide and conquer will be easy.
Are you a liberal that supports government unions? Why? What's liberal about it? Take a shot at answering the questions. You'll be the first.
Sorry did not read your post just the title. Always nice to welcome a new Scab aboard.I have found that most Scabs like you attack from the saftey of your computer.Never in a bar or on the street.Generaly pure chicken shit.Most of the time if you do encounter them they are behind a wall of cops.Chicken Shit Scab.
Unions suck and must go. Are you one of the cry baby libs I seen on tv the other night, after Walker bitch slapped ya"s hahahhahahhaha
I'm not chicken, I don't need a government job or a union. Funny that I'm the chicken.
Yes you are chicken shit.You hide behind the computer and attack working people.And no one gives a shit what you need.
I'm a working person. I support working people, the far more numerous working people being taken advantage of by the minority of working people working in their government.
No your just a chicken shit who sits benind a screen attacking working people.
Maybe they have become wedded to them. This is what I don't get; my experience with unions is that workers are either very good or very bad. I've seen some things and there's no middle ground. Dems have sort of sanctified the union worker and with all the fuss in Wisconsin it shows the Walker extremists are just ideologues too. Who hired the bad union workers in the first place? It wasn't the union but the union will protect them no matter what. This was never even addressed in Wisconsin because there's an ideological war going on. It's people who make union policies against people who do the actual hiring. Talking about how "liberals" fit into this is just typical right wing Newt Gingrich BS.
Correct it is not a black and white issue but all kinds of shades of gray. Tenure for example what the hell is that? It can be protecting an employee that has reached the upper end of experience pay and benefits - so that management does not get rid of them to lower costs - which is a common practice in business. But it can also end up protecting some one who stopped making an effort when they got tenure.
But it is very clearly a liberal issue. They stridently support government unions. They shouldn't, given the conflict with liberal goals, but they do.
Here we go with the "liberal" thing again. A lagre %age of union workers are a waste of space but who hired them in the first place? You did.
Govenment hired them, true. A government conflicted by the unions, true too. A government that would do a lot poorly simply government lacks accountability, true too.
Maybe Obama is right about Americans. We're a bunch of sanctimonious hostage takers.
Maybe so. There's so much that needs to be wholly uprooted and plenty of it liberal.
There's I video I wish you would watch, it's called ,"The death of the Liberal Class." Chris Hedges is the speaker. Just google it on Youtube. It's about an hour long but well worth the time. Hedges is a young baby-boomer like me- born in the late 50's. He talks about the rise of the religous left, the economy, etc.... He just won a lawsuit against Obama. If you want to talk to "liberals" your in the wrong place. Try Huff Post.
I'll look for it.
Here's a short piece about liberal insanity and the sort of thing that drives people like me away. George Will on Subrprime education. The insanity on campuses makes me wonder what sort of indulged nut machines these places are turning into. The piece is short.
libraries close because the government would rather waste billions on useless military spending not be cause of pensions or benefits. why do you attack your fellow Americans.. average middle class trying to stay alive.. when its the program of killing and rebuilding foreign countries that drains the money out of government? while they build a library in iraq.. they close one in america.. this doesnt bother you? you would rather see teachers and policemen and the guy that saved some ones life die in poverty than question the war machine? the politicians pensions.. you do know that every living ex president gets 500k a year plus medical for his family. plus the expense of constant body guards at your expense.. as does all ex congress. that wiener guy is raking in 375k right now for nothing.. just being a idiot but that's ok with you? you would rather that the teacher that taught you to read live in an income controlled apartment. your not actually an american are you.
RealWorld2 can't decide if he's a bagger or a republican.
So that's it? There's plenty of money after all. But cities, counties, and states aren't spending on the military. They're also not funding foreign aid. Yet the bennys for government workers continues to grow quickly as a share of revenues.
I'd rather have government workers that didn't spend more years retired than working. Radical, huh?
id rather the money go to workers than politicians .. or rich contractors that just put the money into stocks and do not use it to enhance the economy. the money needs to be the int eh hands of those that spend it.
How about simply the taxpayers? How about if they keep it? Why doesn't that occur to you?
What's liberal about supporting govt unions?
no ive never seen a time when there was a tax reduction, or taxes were not increased. if from this day forward there is never another tax increase.. then ok.
But that can't be without reform. Bennys for the unions are steadily taking bigger and bigger shares of tax receipts. Either taxes continue to rise or other things that govt does will be shut down. Libraries, parks, social services and such are all being eaten by Pac-Man union benefits and liberals cheer it on. I just can't understand what's liberal about rapidly supporting govt unions.
I agree - the taxes on the wealthy corporations and individuals must continue to rise - but that is not a complete answer as there are only so many of them - that is why employment must continue to rise - employment at a living wage at the very minimum so that the tax base becomes broad and strong. Better to have 300,000,000 million paying a fair tax then to have the better part of 150,000,000 supporting most of the burden.
Right on RealWorld2 - you finally made a good comment.
No shit you believe in higher taxes. Next.
Yes, liberals have become wedded to government unions. They had no choice. The baggers need private sector unions in order to privitize everything which is their goal. The bagger masters want to control the distribution of energy at every level. They are using the old textbook definition of socialism which is to control energy and let everything else slide. I expect the baggers in Wisconsin to make a move on the utilities soon. Walker, the Koch's, they are socialist bastards in the worst sense possible. If you want to get rid of public unions go ahead. Liberals will get by.
But you won't get by. You claim it ends your world. Unions make government worse. Liberals used to know this.
(cf. O.C.S. ljudu, Lith. liaudis, O.E. leod, Ger. Leute "nation, people;" O.H.G. liut "person, people")
Lol. Ya lost me.
liberal means people
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You don't understand.
Forced unionism = forced union dues.
forced union dues = more Democrat contributions.
Democrats = good.
Forced unionism = good.
ever sign a work contract
forced hours
Lol.
Yeah! They forced me to sign it, also!
What, you mean it's voluntary to sign a contract?
if one wants work
Oh, yeah! Imagine that!
In the past, if you wanted money, you could simply make a load of baskets or whatever and sell them at the market! Or, if you wanted to work for someone else, you would just work for them and get paid!
Now, if you want work, the government has made the concept so complicated, your employer has to file a ream of paperwork just to provide you with something to blow your nose with! Thanks, government!
oh no, the contracts come from the corp that one applies to work at
Yeah, I wonder why that is? If they're going to have work set up for you, they want to know when you're going to show up!
Crazy morons! Let the people go to work if they feel like it! That's how you run a business!
But the contract was a chioce. Really, is this stuff that hard?
Another non-answer on the topic.
not if one wants to work at the company
Matt, work somewhere else. Your seach for every angle to preserve your sense of victimhood gets ridiculous.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/you-troll/#comment-355016
Nice spoof.