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Forum Post: Why do you talk about taxes so much, are you oblivious to the real issue?

Posted 7 years ago on Nov. 9, 2012, 1:12 p.m. EST by freewriterguy (882)
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No matter how much money goes into government, you and I will receive nothing from it. Ultimately the government will consume it in larger salaries, and with that comes a bigger government and less freedom for us.

A better alternative would be a direct payment to the people. (I would accept sharing the land in lieu of a direct payment). The bureau of "land management" has been OWNING our land for what the past 100 years? Lets face it the government stole it from us, and are ripping us off by selling it back to us in small portions. We should already own it! After all there is more than enough land out there, and I for one am tired of working working working to pay other peoples way, when I could be working to support my own family for a change.



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[-] 2 points by mrbill0626 (33) 7 years ago

Why all the talk about taxes? Because taxes matter and the politicians get their bread and butter from the current tax system because they use it to reward big businesses and political cronies. They effectively buy votes with our tax money. The FairTax will change all of that by transferring power from politicos to the people. Get me? www.fairtax.org


[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 7 years ago

Banking, the financial industry - that is how they funnel money to the wealthy.

Public banking might be a start

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 7 years ago

Well, what you don't realize is the people will have to pay taxes in order to receive "a direct payment to the people". What about those who don't pay any taxes? Should there be a "direct payment" made to them?

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

Actually sharing the land would work just fine in lieu of a "direct payment" or how about a guarantee that when families slave away to buy a little piece of america (their h ome) government doesnt side with banks to steal it from them because of a missed payment or two. Can I get a Touche? LOL

[-] 1 points by Shayneh (-482) 7 years ago

Well here, here! Finally someone with some sense - yes more taxes going to the government will make a "bigger government".

Now if you can convince the rest of those dorks who think Obama knows how to solve the economic problem we will be able to get the economy running.

Obama is not the option.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

Finally, some one who makes sense - in a perfect world the taxpayer would reap a benefit from the government that serves him, in direct proportion to what he pays for it. Some of us will pay millions over the course of our lifetime; others will pay millions over the course of a single year. But very few ever derive a proportionate benefit.

[-] 0 points by imagine40 (383) 7 years ago

We get the privilege of living in the greatest country in human history.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

I disagree with your version of taxes; I can live any place in the world and many would afford me a much better climate and lifestyle; I stay because I am American, no other reason. But I am fully capable of assimilating.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 7 years ago

You can't live in a better place than America. And that is what you pay for. You don't like it?.Don't pay, Move away. You ain't gonna do it. Cause you know there is no better place.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

That's where you're wrong; if we do not correct our present path to encourage a general prosperity - meaning income that outstrips the costs of housing, energy, transportation, healthcare, and taxation to create some level of comfort and security - the white working class of America is relocating. What was once beyond discussion, is now frequently discussed - we know we're going to have to leave.

I know it is not effective to criticize another lifestyle, but when it gets to the point where the only solution offered as a means of correcting cultural dystopia is to legalize marijuana and throw more dollars to the educators, we are in serious trouble. They chide conservatives as lemmings but if intelligentsia cannot come up with something better, we might as well jump off the cliff now and avoid all the misery that continuous debate as lipservice is sure to ensure.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Yeah, right.

That'll pave some roads........NOT!

[-] -1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

Im not trying to advocate a payment to us as the main point, that is a subpoint. Last I checked the roads are paved, and we all could use a vacation, or payoff of our house. Ultimately if people want to have electricty in their homes, they will need to keep working.

The main point is that people are clueless about the point of big government and more money for them.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Roads around here need re-paving every so often.

Lighting needs maintenance. Fire fighters need to be paid, along with teachers and gosh......so many others.

If you want to go Galt?

Please do so. The middle of Lake Superior would do nicely for you.

[-] -3 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

The Fire fighters need paid? They are paid everytime they give someone a ride to the hospital, to the tune of $400 (or $800 if they use an I.V.), oh b.t.w. they are paid twice. another example of my point.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Well then, if you have to go to the hospital, skip the IV.

If your home is on fire?

Just borrow your neighbors garden hose. I hope you are on good terms with him....:)

If there's too many holes in your roads?

You'll just have to buy a tracked vehicle, or stay home.

Don't want to pay taxes?

Live in a cave up in the hills.

I won't turn you in. but stay off the roads I helped pay for.

[-] -2 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

give me some of the land my fathers conquered and you got a deal! Ill be glad to stay off your bureaucratic run roads, where the majority of the money is used in ridiculously high paying government jobs, and little money is used to actually pave the roads, or pay for labor. oops you forgot about that fact didnt you.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

You got a problem with decent, hard working American public workers?

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

I got a problem with government being the larger employer in the country, and the money they steal from us, using to pad their incomes ridiculously higher than the average american worker, yes. All government pay should be capped at 60k

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

yes, they have too many high paying executives who consume the lion share of the taxes, and leave little for the "public" workers who actually do any work. Or perhaps maybe I am the first person in America to notice?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Don't be jealous. All non private employees should use as leverage the great deal public workers get.

We should all have as good a deal as our public workers. They are the measure that we must fight to get the private sector to match. Maybe then private sector workers will stop attacking the decent hard working American public sector workers.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

I predict that will never happen, we will continue to drive around in our old worn out looking work vehicles while government drive around in 70k new ones ever 2-3 years, same for their mansions they work at whilst our houses are becoming old and decrepid.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Haven't improved worker conditions always come in public sector 1st?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

BTW - where is writer guy imprisoned ( free writer guy ) - did you contact amnesty international - yet?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

Have fun writing that book. If it's really free, I may just read it.

I think you should just go Galt.

If you can afford to build the damn thing. Just stay off public US lands, please.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

there is no such thing as "public land" that is a myth. if the public owned it we would own it by now but for a century or more "public land" has been witheld from the "public"

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 years ago

I know.

You can build your gulch on the Arctic ice cap.

That will never go away......................:)


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

That's the sweet little ambulance service, and it wouldn't be so expensive if local douchebags had not opted to privatize it.

[-] 1 points by Ache4Change (3340) 7 years ago

Lol & please see - http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-do-not-believe-you-can-build-a-movement-on-a-lie/#comment-874847 & I dig your style! Reading here is a joy on this happy holiday. Go Occupy!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

You want to be anti-social - no prob - I am sure there is a rock you can crawl under that is suitably out in the middle of some nowhere.

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 7 years ago

anti-social have to do with telling the truth how things really are? Does this mean you admit defeat in the point? As often the case when someone runs out of debate material they resort to name calling, and I call this a victory. ha!

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

You know, Jefferson described the Constitution as a malleable device, as a "living" document, but when he did so he was not referring to the Bill of Rights, or rights enumerated, which our courts frequently violate - he was referring to the structure of government. We need to end the madness - eliminate the Fed Reserve because they alone are responsible for the taxpayer burden.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 7 years ago

I think it is irrelevant what some 300 year old slave holder thought in a different time and place. I could do without the Fed but not because of what Jefferson thought of the constitution. That's kind of silly, and lazy! We have to think for ourselves.

[-] -3 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

Nobody thinks entirely for themselves; we all seek the input and opinions of others. Many live on sound bytes - it appears you may be one of these - but if you were truly thinking for yourself you would not be here on this forum.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 7 years ago

You sound pretty stupid. telling me how I live, and why I'm here on this forum. Of course I think for myself. Most people do. And of course I listen to others, people I know & trust, who know & trust me. But I don't need to go backwards to understand what is right and wrong. What is good and bad for me and the 99%. I think the tea party wackos have overused and misused the founding fathers so much it will be a generation before we can consider their opinions seriously.

[-] 0 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 7 years ago

American history was in existence long before the Tea Party and so was I.

While some are destined to look forward, others are destined to look backward - both constitute philosophy as an attempt to understand ourselves.

[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago


[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Which part are you disagreeing with? The statement of fact or his "alternative"?

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago

Statement of non fact. But I answering him.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

If giving the government more and more money results in that money being given to the people, why are the poor becoming poorer? The government has netted increasing amounts of money throughout history and yet the government becomes larger and more prosperous-not the middle and lower classes.

If you disagree with that, then OWS has no purpose or point because all those increasing taxes and revenues are benefiting society in such positive ways already!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 7 years ago

Because the rich are having it given to them. Corporate welfare, I believe it is called. Or corruption is what it used to be called.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Who is giving it to them? If you're saying "corporate welfare" then the GOVERNMENT is giving it to the rich...which is in agreement with his statement that "you and I will receive nothing from it. " Right?