Forum Post: Why do Real Anarchists Hate the OWS Fuckheads?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 4:28 a.m. EST by owsleader2011
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1.) This consensus thing is BULLSHIT
2.) This white-male goes to the end of the line to talk is bullshit, Orwellian to the max, what's it going to be next Albino's at the end of line? God forbid if anyone suggests that a Jewish Feminazi go to the end of the line to wait to speak at a GA.
3.) The entire movement with its hidden leaders and its inability to name-names, and deferring to name 'candidates' to a later date looks an awful lot like a 'disposable movement'. Ready the be co-opted to the highest bidder at anytime the seller wish.
4.) It's fucking clear that a bunch of snot nose 18-28 years white male and female jew kids lost their inheritance because of the Madoff Ponzi, now their inheritance is gone. So they hit the streets and demand re-distribution of wealth, funny back when the richest Jews in NYC still had their pre-PONZI $50Billion USD there was no talk of re-distribution. Very funny indeed.
So adbusters-com of Canada puts out a plea, and if it weren't for real anarchists there wouldn't be anyone on the street. Then jump ahead to early November and its cause-celebre to be chem-sprayed by the cops and have your MUG on facebook, Andy Warhols 15 minutes of fame.
This poster is not an anarchist, he is a crypto-fascist/neo-nazi.
The is just more grey/black propaganda as usual. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
Why doesn't EB post a report on BP, I would love to learn, p.s. I don't follow fucking links and I don't view talking head's on youtube, If you think that black-propaganda is something essential to the OWS movement, then concisely tell us why, but pleeeze don't send us to a fucking dictionary, if you can't discuss the issue in your own words you don't belong here.
I'm not an anarchist either - does it matter? Most of America is not inclined to anarchy - I do hope you aren't going to make our success contingent upon that one single point.
As to the post, well. So what. It is indication of the inability within the minds of the current power brokers to come to grips with the teeming mass of humanity screaming outside their door.
Let them fret I say.
Let them fret.
Are you not entertained?
<<<I'm not an anarchist either - does it matter?>>>
Yes it does matter. Considering that it is the title and topic of the post, it is the most relevant issue here.
<<<Most of America is not inclined to anarchy>>>
Most of America doesn't know what anarchy as a social or political concept is. Moreover, this is not an American movement; it is a global movement. Most people (including Americans) intuitively support the abolition of social classes and organizing society on the basis of direct-participatory-democracy and mutual aid (i.e. anarchism)
<<<As to the post, well. So what. It is indication of the inability within the minds of the current power brokers to come to grips with the teeming mass of humanity screaming outside their door.
Let them fret I say.
Let them fret.
Are you not entertained?>>>
It is kind of amusing to watch them squirm. haha
This may be a global movement, but this is my country. If you are an American then it's your country too. As long as we agree to cooperate on the basis of consensus, we will no doubt go far.
As far as direct democracy goes - until I see it work, consistently, and function with a high degree of reliability, within this movement itself, I'll continue to suspect it may be a poison pill designed to disrupt the electoral process and throw the elections to the very corrupt systems and groups already in control.
I say that, because I suspect it will not sell very easily to the mass of American citizens. If it doesn't sell to them, then the movement falls apart at some point after it reaches a zenith, or critical mass.
<<<This may be a global movement, but this is my country. If you are an American then it's your country too.>>>
Imaginary lines on a map do not impress me.
I'm not an American; I'm a human being. I do not acknowledge the legitimacy of any borders or nation-states.
<<<As far as direct democracy goes - until I see it work, consistently, and function with a high degree of reliability, within this movement itself>>>
It's been working a hell of a lot better than other organizations with different models. It is precisely because we have not fallen into the trap of becoming a 501c3 organization with a formal hierarchy that we have had so many successes.
<<<I'll continue to suspect it may be a poison pill designed to disrupt the electoral process and throw the elections to the very corrupt systems and groups already in control. >>>
You're correct. It is intended (in part) to disrupt the fake elections. We need to dispel the illusion that a few people still have: that your vote matters, that you live in a republic, that you have representatives.
<<<I say that, because I suspect it will not sell very easily to the mass of American citizens.>>>
I think you're projecting your own perceptions onto the mass of "American citizens."
Most people realize that voting is a waste of time--- and don't bother with it.
hmm - interesting. You do kinda sound like you are following the Otpor party line just a bit.
SourceWatch on Otpor
Not that I care, I mean, to a point. You are welcome to your opinion, absolutely, and I will defend that right.
But if you think you are going to inspire the American public with an international kind of appeal, you will find only limited success. It has to do with culture, sense of self and one's place in the nation. You are more likely to generate a backlash of xenophobia, and the right wing militants in this country have more guns than I do.
Seriously - I respect your opinion and your right to hold it - but if you are not a U.S. citizen, - my opinion - is that you do not belong standing in our protest. I would see you sent home. I'm sure you can support us just fine from there.
My DD-214 says that I have been discharged from the US military. I am no longer a slave to the criminal US government. Nothing compels me to acknowledge them.
If you would like to see someone "sent home" perhaps liberal parasites like your self (who are trying to leech off the movement and divert its energy into meaningless electoral politics) should considering leaving this movement (created by anarchists and others on the revolutionary left) alone?
Thanks for your service - I mean - I'll just take you at your word, I can't confirm anything you say can I?
Liberal? Yes. Proud of it.
George Washington was a liberal.
Emancipation was Liberal Policy.
Jesus Christ was not only a Liberal, he was a political dissident.
No, I will not leave this movement. You can kiss my ass.
If we can agree that things are in dire need of change, we can begin something. I say that because things are in dire need of change.
these things go way beyond the You or the Me - we are but bit players on this stage.
You have your voice. Use it. I have mine. I will use it as well.
<<<Thanks for your service - I mean - I'll just take you at your word, I can't confirm anything you say can I?>>>
I don't see why you should be thanking me for anything. Are you a shareholder of Chevron or Exxon-mobile?
<<<George Washington was a liberal.>>>
Yes he was. He also claimed the children of his escaped slaves as his personal possessions. And wanted to be sure that only white-male property owners had a voice in government.
<<<Emancipation was Liberal Policy.>>>
One that Washington's liberal political philosophy strongly opposed. Incidentally, Lincoln (who was a racist white supremacist himself) planned on deporting the freed slaves "back to Africa."
<<<Jesus Christ was not only a Liberal, he was a political dissident.>>>
Jesus most certainly was not a liberal. He was a radical communist.
"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common."----- Acts 4:32
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."-----Matthew 19:24
This is of course assuming the character Jesus from the gospels is actually based on a real historical person. There is scant evidence to support this and most of it (other than brief mentions by Tacitus and Josephus) is circumstantial. We simply don't know.
<<<No, I will not leave this movement. You can kiss my ass. >>>
You're the one who suggested that others "do not belong standing in" "our protest." Liberals can't create a serious movement on their own and when one springs up somewhere else they want to rush to the front of the parade and leech off it.
If you "would see [someone] sent home" the best candidate is yourself.
<<<"If we can agree that things are in dire need of change, we can begin something. I say that because things are in dire need of change.
these things go way beyond the You or the Me - we are but bit players on this stage.
You have your voice. Use it. I have mine. I will use it as well.>>>
And when you attack others (who actually contribute to this movement) because they disagree with your liberal bullshit, people will use their voices to call you out on it. Get used to it.
I agree with most of what you're sayin', but both Zendog and yourself have a nasty habit of playing hazy semantic games about the definitions of "liberal" and 'communist," etcetera.
Not helpful unless you're going to define what you mean each time you use the words against another.
Congratulations on being one of the precious few I've seen online who knows the place and meaning of anarchism in the context of Occupy. . . . but it's not a pissing contest. I think you could find that ZenDog and yourself have more fundamental things you agree about than disagree.
When I attack others - that's interesting.
Seems to me you started it - I've been fairly consistent about supporting others right to speak.
I guess when you started shitting on the culture it got me. Where was that?
oh yeah -
so now you are not only an American, you've served in uniform. Seems convenient but hey. Not impossible. Could be you are a repelican shill for all I know, with no commitment whatsoever to this communist tripe you spin.
Not that I disagree at all with your analysis of Jesus - there most certainly was, according to the literature, that element to his movement. What is really fascinating is that not only was he a liberal, and a political dissident; he subdued a nation, and subverted a symbol of terror and oppression to one of hope and of peace -
and I find that remarkable.
You can claim whatever you want about liberals - I'm used to it - I've heard it all from repelicans before you, but the fact is I've been standing on this ground a long long time, screaming it's time for change. far as Im concerned you are the new comer here.
Not that it matters. Here we are. Glad you could make it.
You claim to want communism? I think it's more likely you're a plant - but hey. You've only got one vote - I'll support your casting it any way you want. You stuff the ballot box?
<<<When I attack others - that's interesting.
Seems to me you started it - I've been fairly consistent about supporting others right to speak.>>>
Yes I noticed that you were careful to preface your disgusting remarks with "I respect your opinion and your right to hold it."
I guess you feel somehow this absolves you of any responsibility for disparaging our undocumented immigrant brothers and sisters who have worked hard to help build this movement from the very beginning:
"but if you are not a U.S. citizen, - my opinion - is that you do not belong standing in our protest. I would see you sent home."
While you may have the right to speak your opinion, this doesn't make your opinion worthy of respect. The appropriate response is for people to call you out, and ridicule your asinine comments.
<<<I guess when you started shitting on the culture it got me. Where was that?
oh yeah -
so now you are not only an American, you've served in uniform. Seems convenient but hey. Not impossible. Could be you are a repelican shill for all I know, with no commitment whatsoever to this communist tripe you spin.>>>
There is nothing remarkable about that. We're not all brainwashed troglodytes:
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/alice-embree-protesters-block-fort-hood.html
http://couragetoresist.org/
<<<Not that I disagree at all with your analysis of Jesus>>>
Um, no. That was the point. We fundamentally disagree in our analysis of Jesus.
<<<What is really fascinating is that not only was he a liberal>>>
Jesus never advocated anything even remotely approximating liberalism. These concepts didn't even exist during that time period. Minarchism, mixed-economies, representative government, the social contract--even the modern nation-state itself-- where unheard of, and Jesus certainly never advocated anything like them. The gospels are very clear about the society he envisioned: a Theocratic Monarchy (with himself as king) and radically communist economy.
<<<he subdued a nation, and subverted a symbol of terror and oppression to one of hope and of peace ->>>
That had more to do with Emperor Constantine than anyone else.
<<<You can claim whatever you want about liberals - I'm used to it - I've heard it all from repelicans before >>>
You obviously haven't heard this from republicans before, given that my charge is that you are fundamentally the same as republicans.
<<>>
While at the same time tacitly supporting the status quo and helping to advocate for liberal governments which commit mass murder:
http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/democrats.php
Greek Civil War: 160,000 (Truman) Korean War: 3 million (Truman) Assault on Indochina: 5 million (started under Truman, accelerated under Kennedy & LBJ) Coup in Indonesia: 1 million (LBJ) East Timor: 100,000 (Carter) Kwangju Massacre: 2000 (Carter) Argentine Dirty War: 30,000 (mostly Carter) Iraq sanctions: 1.5 million (mostly Clinton) Turkish Kurdistan: 40,000 (mostly Clinton)
That's at least 10,8022,000 killed by democrats, 9,292,000 if one only counts the liberal governments (Clinton wasn't really a liberal).
<<<far as Im concerned you are the new comer here. >>>
You don't know anything about me, what my involvement in activism has been, or how long I have been engaged in it.
<<<You claim to want communism?>>>
Where the hell are you getting this? You need to work on your reading comprehension.
<<<You've only got one vote - I'll support your casting it any way you want. You stuff the ballot box?>>>
Neither of us have any votes that count. Pull your head out of the sand.
You said:
So I dunno - maybe I leapt to a conclusion that does not follow. I mean, I'm no flag waver - believe me.
never mind
And just now you said:
From what I have seen, maintaining respect for another individuals right to an opinion and to speak it is not only an American value, it's a principle that the Occupy Movement is committed to.
You've been active since at least - Sept 17? so you claim? Could be - how would I know - but obviously you do not adhere to the core principles of the movement.
Far as the immigrant policy goes - you are quite right - I misspoke. Our immigrant policy is a cluster fuck - and those were not the people I was speaking to or intending to reference.
I was speaking to YOU, under the distinct impression that you were attempting to sell to the American public some form of radical change that appears distinctly un_American.
So I said KISS my ASS.
No, I do not have an explanation for the complete lack of US. condemnation of and intervention to stop the slaughter in East Timor - and YES it was a Dem Prez and a DEM in the UN named Danial Patrick Moynihan, and I do not understand these things.
But I do understand if you do a little digging - the numbers of dead from that one case are far higher than you suggest.
Don't vote you say.
that is a fundamental objective of the repelican party
you fucking moron.
here, chew on this
The two parties are fundamentally different. They have limited input from the halls of Congress on foreign policy. So when you point at international events and blame both parties you are pointing in the wrong direction.
And you can't change that from the outside. You won't sell to the public the kind of radical redesign you envision, and if you think you will you are lying - either to yourself or to the rest of us. It may sound good but its bullshit.
Look at the history of Otpor itself. They remove a leader and fall apart. Why? Because the organizational structure they advocate will not work on a mass scale.
Fuckin repelicans aren't stupid. They knew exactly what they were doing.
And you have bought it hook line and sinker. How's that lead taste, anywayz.
So we have:
-----Confusing respect for the right to hold an opinion with respect for the actual opinion itself.
-----But that is just what the republicans want you to think!
and
----- You're Unamerican!
Thank you senator McCarthy.
Have fun supporting your corporate tools. You are part of what Occupy Wall St is protesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://influenceexplorer.com/industry/securities-investment/0af3f418f426497e8bbf916bfc074ebc?cycle=-1
http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/democratic-party-and-occupy-movement-are-oil-and-water
He was a scumbag - but that doesn't mean his tactics can't be useful - in some limited capacity. What is it, exactly, to be American?
And I don't think I've confused respect for the right to hold an opinion with respect for the actual opinion itself. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. Many of them stink.
I'm on dial-up, so the youtube is out. But I will look at the other material.
Senator's Leahy and Sanders names did not appear on the list of supporters that was posted in the forum of those supporting the appropriations bill - I haven't checked the accuracy of it, they are fairly consistent in that regard.
I vote for them. I'm proud of it.
http://influenceexplorer.com/industry/securities-investment/0af3f418f426497e8bbf916bfc074ebc?cycle=-1
That is simply an analysis of corporate campaign donations. If you said all of that money could be far better spent providing clean drinking water world wide - I'd say no shit.
To use that to justify a blanket statement that all in public service are guilty of corruption is not only absurd, it's lazy. A good man can't get elected to office without outspending his opponent on television advertising.
Is it a problem? Absolutely.
Does corruption breed corruption? Absolutely.
This does not mean that the entirety of Congress is corrupt. That just won't jibe with what I understand regarding human nature.
And your other link has some extremely valid points. They are disturbing. This administration should absolutely not be treating Wall Street or banking executives gently when it comes to violations of the law.
They should not have individuals in the administration who have in the past favored a deregulation of Wall Street. That they do does certainly appear to be a clear sign of corruption.
I don't deny that.
I support actions this movement can make - here, and here, in seeing to it that those responsible are in fact held accountable. To that end, highlighting this issue is a good thing.
Both parties are looking for our support. How are we to use this to our advantage? Are you suggesting it is of no use to us at all?
I think that is short sighted.
Here is an article regarding repelican strategy overall, something you should carefully consider as we attempt to take this whole thing apart:
-- Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult Saturday 3 September 2011 by: Mike Lofgren, Truthout | News Analysis
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779
Further - I think it is important to note carefully - only one third of the Senate is up for reelection at any one time. This means the problem of corruption in Congress as a whole will take time to eliminate. What is the most expedient means to that end?
If we examine the influence Tea Party candidates had over the budget debate this past summer, I think we see that in fact, a small group of new comers to Congress can make a difference in policy. The Tea Party, combined with the Renquist Tax Pledge, helped ensure that the top one percent continue to receive bushite tax breaks. In my view, this is no solution to our debt issue.
Yet they were affective. How did they do that?
Not by creating a whole new party. They saved their resources, which would otherwise have been spent in creating the networks necessary to get their message to the various constituents who elected them - and they did it by using those networks that already exist.
Think about that.
Zen-ilicious!
Funding Sources and Training (alpha order)
SourceWatch - Otpor
You really do manage to get under my skin - as you will no doubt observe with satisfaction as you scroll down . . .
Ah well.
You want to hate something - so you hate liberals you probably don't even know what a liberal is . . . it's been shaded by your text books . . . and your own hate.
You can tear at ol' George Washington if you want to. That's fine, repelicans do that. They started a rumor that it is absurd to think he told his dad: "I cannot tell a lie - I cut your tree." Which of course makes perfect sense - today.
Back then I'm sure ol' George knew, better to tell the truth up front, and get his whippin out ah the way, rather than sully his reputation for ever. It was an entirely different culture back then.
Which is why I don't judge him for the failings you pointed out above. I look at what he gave us. Freedom from England. The opportunity to create a society based on equality - which did not happen over night as you are no doubt surely going to point out.
There was in place a whole structure, system of both behavior and belief - and you cut him down because he did not over throw that thing in it's entirety.
What did he give us? The Possibility! One we never would have had under English Colonial Rule.
You are blind.
And if your advocacy helps maintain the repelican grip on power, then you have fucked yourself, every bit as much as the rest of us.
piss off.
agreed
AmeriKKKanever was and never will be a DEMOCRACY. FACT. Global movement well yes the paper-money worldwide is becoming worthless, but study your history, read Sprenglers "decline of the west", from 1918, he lay's it out back 2000+ years how mercantilists destroy civilizations. When I say I'm 'real' I say I'm read on the subject as a lifelong devotee of "Emma Goldman" positions. I doubt that these books are even available to children let alone read in our NINTENDO generation. THE USA is an imperial power that run's the world, has done so for 50 years, but now the US-DOLLAR is worthless which means that the beast is dying. For 50 years stolen gooods were sent home and everybody was happy.
For 50 years the USA murdered people worldwide, OBAMA is a killer and nobody hit the streets but as soon as you had 'money problems' OWS was seeded in NYC, and why? Cuz they're broke and afraid,
Like I have said ameriKKKan's don't deserve "REAL ANARCHISM", because it would be like making a silk purse out of a sows ear, you can't take a hair-lip with an single digit IQ, and expect to make an Einstein, only OWS followers believe this is possible.
Once again, this poster is fake. This is grey/black propaganda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda
Wow.
I'm sure you will be useful, for now.
Once the republic is rid of the repelican party,
Well I think it is penis envy.
Very Freudian. Tell us about 'leave the city' what is your point of view?
you are delusional
lol, anarchists hate any organization, that's why their anarchists.
Eric Blair is an Anarchist...Always has been, always will. As long as he still has mommy and daddy's money to run around the world playing Bandito in his little mask. He, and his little friends are sadly what's wrong with a loud and whining youth group who show up to disrupt protests and chat boards.. Turn your backs to him in distain...He's a loser...
But why does he cut&paste the 'black' wiki thing in every reply he posts on the OWS forum?? Is he autistic?
Anarchism is communism in its PUREST form - Emma Goldman
What did she mean? What she is saying is communism without GOVERNMENT, the essence of all government is beating, killing and imprisoning. This is why USA is #1 in the world, #1 killer, and #1 prison guard, and #1 military killing machine because of the government.
NOW OWS is asking for MORE government, not less. They're asking for the government to steal the wealth of the 1% ( undefined ), to be transferred at a later date to the 99%, yes that sounds like heaven.
Oh and to put icing on the cake, the same government we have now will remain in power, cuz we love them so, cuz Obama tell's us so. Obama tell's us there's nobody on the planet better suited for this job than him, DNC talking-points alive and well on OWS forums and GA's.
PURE ANARCHISM requires abolishing the government, and until OWS can make that position a promise, they're ONLY offering us MORE totalitarianism.
Consensus is bullshit to you because you would like to be a tyrant who does not need to consider the desires of anyone else.
White male does not trump Jewish female nor does Jewish female trump white male. Both are people and as such the same.
The leader of the movement is not hidden it is the principle of liberty and justice for all. It is not about being an individual hero full of rage but a group that values justice and liberty for all. Think how a good family opperates.
A-Narchy is Greek for NO-Leader. Hmmmmm are you complaining about there being no leader in OWS but calling yourself an anarchist? I guess that would be a Southerner who is from New York City. Continue to grow and add to your love of being a free individual your love of other free individuals. They are you.
Wait a minute, perhaps you ain't been to a meeting? A jewish female trumps all every time,
If you haven't been to a meeting read wiki's article on occupy 'ows'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement
Consensus is BULLSHIT if I'm forced by another person to accept their bullshit. Just because 99% of flys eat shit, don't mean us 1% have to accept majority consensus.
BULLSHIT OWS ain't got no leader, its already published all over the world media who controls and owns OWS.
She warns all of us! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTwbHdH6k
Do people actually ever watch this shit? I don't watch TV, and I don't watch UTUBE or for that matter any fucking kind of video, I READ BOOKS.
Please what has happened with you people, where even ideas must have talking fucking heads filling your minds with 'consensus'???
Here is the book! Extreme Prejudice by Susan Lindauer. Her life is at risk because she tells the truth. http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Prejudice-Terrifying-Story-Patriot/dp/1453642757
"Someone put acid on the steering wheel of my car on a day I was supposed to drive to NYC for a meeting at the Libya House," she wrote. "I scrubbed my hands with a toilet brush, but my face was burned so badly that 3 weeks later friends worried I might be badly scarred. Also, my house was bugged with listening devices and cameras -- little red laser lights in the shower vent. And I survived several assassination attempts. Oh, could I write a book." says your guru. but I know this article is part of the conspiratorial coup. wow, i wish i had it all figured out as well as you. life would be a breeze.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A51972-2004Mar11?language=printer
Please see the video and listen her. Anybody who tells the truth become subject of discreditation campaigns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTwbHdH6k
I bet she has a law degree also? Why is that these loser's always promote themselves to the seminar racket and try to make a buck. I bet she's got a website too? Right? She fills the youtube with cosmetic promotions? Or she's an ugly bitch? First you tell us to watch her youtube, then to read her book, but why? I have not asked you to do anything. I simply want to know why people even bother watching talking heads on Youtube, I find it nauseating, I don't watch TV, and I don't watch youtube, and I don't buy books written by self-promoting frauds. I try to buy classics, books that were written 100+ years ago, as everything that can be said about 'man' has already been said. There is nothing new under the sun. Every generation thinks its got 'new ideas', even the Greek's have recorded manuscripts about how the kids thought they were smarter than the oldsters.
Please tell me why in the fuck should I ever watch shit on Youtube? There is only one case I can think of, where a cop beats someone and its held back from MSM then I can see a reason for youtube, otherwise its BORING.
We live in a brave new world. Everything is new. We did not have this psychological level before. It is possible to manipulate the world for power and end up destroying the planet in today's world. You better watch out, or you might lose the planet. Corruption has to go, and in this level corruption it is deadly for humanity.
Anarchy is confusion and pain that will lead to just another tyrannical dictator.
Do you really trust human nature soooo much, that if a person calls themselves an anarchist, they will not turn into just another snake to consolidate a power position for themselves by pushing fear of others.
We should evolve past another phase of disorganization.
Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater and revert back to pre-civilization.
We need to surgically remove the tumors within our systems. Not kill the entire organism to create a Frankenstein from its dead parts.
Anarchy, as a means towards advancement, is a delusion of the historically uneducated.
But it sure does sound tough and macho, I'll hand you that!
Ok, here we go.
"Anarchy" is communism in its purest form, Mao & Stalin made communism look bad, with anarchy we do away with ALL government, see the problem is the cops&prisons, they all have one purpose.
But the essential thing with communalism is all must work and share, ... thus its impossible to take a washed-out parasitic ex-prison colony like the USA and turn it around into something beautiful and PURE.
My expectations for the USA are civil war with the end being necromania and cannibalism. There is no other possible outcome the people are too ignorant and selfish.
Not true, There are other possible outcomes.
Through Direct Democracy over the Internet, we can bypass the entire corrupt Lobbying / Representative Oligarchy and control our futures in a new form of government. One that is capable now with 21st Century communication technology.
Shit! It is worth a try before we give into the defeatist horrors of necromania and cannibalism. It will take some imagination and ingenuity to make it happen, but if you love humanity, that is a worthwhile effort.
It's too late for the USA, your talking about giving CPR to a nation that died long ago.
Did you just send me a threat in a personal message?
He might have a point.
When was the last time a decision was made by consensus?
Mao said "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun"
What part of REAL POLITIK's does OWS not understand??
I don't mind YOU PEOPLE making a consensus, but PLEEZE don't tell me what to think, you no more represent the 99% than you represent the 1%, the majority of ameriKKKan's are assholes,
Do you really think this group is the 99%? 99% of what a toilet bowl?
Let's all be honest the ameriKKKan revolution was fought with 5%, and the other 90% were too bust or afraid, the remaining 5% sat on the fence to join the winning team.
It's pure damn ORWELLIAN to be told by another person what to think. Fuck all of you and your 'consensus'.
I dunno. Here in Vermont everyone was involved, one way or the other. It's a fact we take pride in. We were an independent, sovereign state until 1791 - and some say my cousins engaged in treason in their efforts to force the union to accept the State of Vermont as the 14th state.
But here we are.
You will never reach the American people - not with this much disrespect for our heritage and culture. You cannot restore something you simply do not believe in.
you got nothin.
Gotta love Vermont and New Hamshire also,
Secede or Die.
"Let's all be honest the ameriKKKan revolution was fought with 5%, and the other 90% were too bust or afraid, the remaining 5% sat on the fence to join the winning team."
Well seems like history is on our side :p
History is important, and this time is NO different,
This talk about 99% is insanity, as at best OWS will never be more than single digit in getting people off their ass.
The US public only cares about $$$, ONLY if you offer them $$$ will they get off their ass.
See this is the genius of the US government with over 50% of the public feeding at the DOLE pig trough, they have no fear of insurrection.
Well we are part of the 99% who's getting screwed by the 1% even if 95% is ok with getting screwed.
Over 56% of the USA gets a check from the US government, tell me about who is getting screwed?
End Corporate Welfare NOW.
When the majority of a population feeds at the government pig trough you know you got big fucking problems.
Oh yea your screwed, but you ain't got a clue about who is fucking you in the ass.
What is a "real" anarchist? Are they fake one's? Are you upset that Otpor has stole the show or something?
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I really think this 'consensus' should be regarded as a religion, the OWS flock certainly treat it like a religion, heresy and all. If these people had real power they would be burning those who didn't follow the consensus at the stake,
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Got a problem with white males? You wanna make this racial that is right up my alley.
Why be a anarchist when you can start another war right conservative America? You are all stupid fucks the only way to reform is to kill every rich fucking cunt out there and take it back.
'Real Anarchist' don't advocate theft, and this is an essential concept that escapes all of you.
OWS re-distribution of wealth is just another symptom of GREED, and this is why the USA public is non-salvageable.
Is that you Rush?
Do you fell better now?
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Hmmm...seems you are upset. Was that your point? A bit rude, though, this choice of language. And not illuminating, these points, nor constructive, these criticisms. I almost always immediately distrust anyone who is a self-labelled 'Real' this or that, but i don't want to presume to judge your claim to anarchism. Only your lack of coherence and friendliness.
Which specifically do you find offensive?
Fake anarchists in my mind are 'trustafarians' that run around breaking windows in the night. Personally I don't think anybody is capable of 'native american anarchistic' thought until about 40+ years of age. I have never met a kid who had done sufficient reading to even understand the game.
That consensus is bullshit, ... anybody who loves freedom knows that consensus is the tool of the totalitarian, but then OWS hates freedom and proclaims that freedom is our problem.
That spoiled rotten 1%-er's lost their money and their SPAWN hit the streets in anger, ... nobody wants to blame MADOFF or themselves for losing $50B much more convenient to find a replacement for lost stupid investment.
In all times of economic upheaval you can be a white-dog or black-dog, and its always been a lonely game being a black-sheep, for the dog's love 'consensus', its how they all circle-jerk one another, but when the shop shelves go empty the black-dog sits high&dry and watches the turmoil from afar.
ows members- read his post carefully- this is the type of human that now runs this country- and the world--- if you want freedom for your self friend's and offspring - this is what you will have to defeat- please come to thrasymaque's web page and learn how-- for free-
training web page http://url2it.com/jsne
Yes, carefully listen to mother 'trhasymaque', she is your mother and knows best for you, she writes the 'consensus' for all to use as their talking-points 24/7 with other suckers, I mean 99%.
Yes, my reality is quite different, but bare in mind that I don't live in the cesspool called 'USA', I'm a free person who doesn't live in a prison, and living outside of the prison-colony aka "USA" allows my mind to have a clear vision of what the USA really is.
Really people, really? We're going to fight amongst ourselves over petty ego crap?
viva la revolution indeed.
He has nothing to do with us...he's a troll.
The fact that he keeps going on about "jews" should tip you off.
yeah... sorry... I shouldn't have fed this thread!
The CIA ain't CHRISTIAN THE MOSSAD ain't J E W I S H
Understand?? The problem on OWS is the J E W word is verboten and bots will delete your post, but we're NOT talking about J E W, we're talking about the MOSSAD and A I P A C
Real Anarchists hate the OWS because Real Anarchists aren't down with the KTC.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/something-to-think-about-part-1/
The Revolution starts here!
Move along, pay no attention to the wizard behind the curtain controlling the OWS consensus. Move along, you'll be told your purpose at a later date, move along.
I only listed a few peeves with OWS, but I suppose there are 100's. No OWS is NOT what a real democracy looks like.
Crypto-Fascist neo-nazi you mean like OBAMA or Cheney?
Nope I'm an Emma Goldman anarchist, we believe that 'anarchism' is communalism in its purest form.
But the OWS is a crypto-fascist organization, judge people on their actions, not on their promises.
<<<Crypto-Fascist neo-nazi you mean like OBAMA or Cheney?>>>
Yes. Exactly like Obama or Cheney.