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Why do zeroes recycle worn out Foxproganda?
Is it because their IQs don't come up to the 70-90 range that's standard at FOX?
Are they trying to impress themselves with their "clever" parodies?
Do their friends with even less intelligence admire them for it?
They just like to hear their own drivel?
Why do idiots do what they do?
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Can't you figure it out, genius?
You are the proof that Occupy is not failing. It's pissing people like you off! Ha!
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What? You had hope that your economic ideas would be implemented overnight? Watershed change takes time and it happens because ideas make for action. Occupy is an idea. The action and change will follow.
No, that's not true, they could have been implemented overnight, using the Internet to create an alternative, parallel economy.
Plus fighting cases in court rather than capitulating back into the status quo.
Why did you fail?
well for one they blew a million plus dollars instead of buying some land. they should have put it down as down payment on an old resort hotel or farm/orchard or old army base it would not have even mattered where in the country it was and then retrofit the place with autonomous building techniques or built new green facilities on location and then use this place as a launch pad for the revolution. there were more than enough skilled individuals willing to donate time to the cause but instead we got nothing out of it more than we would have gained with out it. if some form of anti-establishment protests erupt again (and they will) they must get land. a public commons is essential.
I think OWS’s continued failure is because they haven’t done much the masses can relate to. The public can’t relate to anarchists breaking store windows, fighting the cops at every turn and having protests that look more like street parties. I think the public views OWS as a bunch oh over exuberant hippie types enjoying a party.
OWS has no clear message or defined method the people can understand. No doubt OWS wants to do something about the injustice in the world. That is clear. But they have failed to do much that normal people can understand. Unless OWS focuses on a few specific issues and losses the unwashed hippie image it will continue to erode.
Well we are watching the disintegration of the right wing wacko tea party. And that is directly related to the challenge OWS presented to their greedy selfish agenda.
Look at Ann Coulter capitulate!
Coulter says give up on taxes, Obama won!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/06/ann-coulter-gop-taxes-obama-hannity_n_2249545.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
That's winning!
seriously? the average american can't even tell you the three branches of government. so because people are retarded it is ows's fault. obviously ows gave tptb a good scare. otherwise they would not have crushed the movement in a raid coordinated by homeland security. the movement will be just fine once it reoccupies a physical space.
Occupy succeeding on immigration over right wing tea party
Hannity caves
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/hannitys-immigration-evolution-draws-praise-from-conservative-149153.html
That's winning
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OWS joined with & supported the fast food strikers and pressured this Wendys owner to rehired a fired striker.
http://www.nationofchange.org/fast-food-worker-fired-then-re-hired-help-community-support-1354980530
That's not failure! That's succeeding.
No?
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And yet we wish there was no need.
It's dirty work but somebody has got to do it.
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No pay. All voluntary.
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I don't see much of that.
Sometimes when there is exaggerated accusations of failure it may seem as if reasonable evidence to the contrary is bragging. But in fact it is just a logical response to the excessive and inaccurate suggestion of failure.
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Why do your eye's appear to be closed?
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So - what(?) - you are here to stir up emotion and dedication?
What solutions has occupy refused to consider?
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Occupy is absolutely doing their part regarding greentech/climate change.
What more do you want us to do? Organize the elves?
"North pole"? is that some Santa Claus sarcasm?
Well what is the problem at the north pole.?
Oh don't get snarky.
You gotta understand. It is better to have the politicians come to us! To try and satisfy our expectations, to come up to the progressive rhetoric we espouse.
Occupy must be left out of politics directly, We must criticize all pols. And in our outrage push all pols towards the progressive solutions that benefit the 99%.
So now some pols have adopted our language, attempted to satisfy our rhetoric. All inadequate!
And because we have not engaged directly we can continue our pressure/outrage and agitate all pols to move further to the progressive solutions that will benefit the 99%.
That isn't "a solution" that is a tactic. I believe Occupy has decided to stay out of politics directly.
They have affected politics indirectly of course. By making our opinions known and being heard. And we have worked with like minded groups who do in fact talk directly with politicians.
I think the obvious success we've had is proof that was the right choice of tactics.
But that isn't a solution, but a tactic. Is that what you meant by solutions?
Anything else?.
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We succeeded at crushing RW
Bill Kristol caves http://www.salon.com/2012/11/11/bill_kristol_it_wont_kill_the_country_to_raise_taxes_on_millionaires/
I'll take it. We win. That ain't failure. Uhhhh WINNING!
what does fail mean?
did you hear anyone mention 1% or 99% in the last year?
do you think willard could be in the White House next year w/o OWS?
did OWS help Elizabeth Warren? more senators? more congressmen? helping Sandy victims?
OWS is NOT doing as well as it could, but FAIL is a foxian obfuscation
a better OWS: leaders & structure, chuck "consensus", use political power
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Oh, like President George W Bush?.... Or Mayor Mike Bloomberg, maybe?
When it comes to warfare or welfare - the State FAILS!
barry is the failure.
One more in a long long line...
barry is the one that is openly destroying the usa as founded.
Far from the only one.
Just think of him as Bush's fourth term.
still blaming bush?
It's like he never left.
Failed? I'd say the jury is out on that.
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OWS has succeeded at challenging extremist RW rhetoric with progressive discussion. So successful we will see Repubs split, & begin switching parties.
Is this the beginning ofthat trend.?
http://news.yahoo.com/ex-fla-gov-charlie-crist-tweets-hes-proud-095012968.html
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Why not? Kinda unfriendly of you.
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Oh no trouble at all! I'm sure you were asking for forum members to comment on the failure/success of OWS, and I am happy to oblige.
Are you pleased at all the evidence of success I've added?
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Probably cause ya haven't opened the links!
LOL
You don't appear to want to see the success.
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I have seen the setbacks as I've already said.
I can't pretend that Occupy has not seized the national conversation, arrested the right wing momentum we've suffered under for 3 decades, and led the way towards a progressive course correction.
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What credit have I given myself? None!
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I think they deserve all the credit for finally stopping the right wing wacko momentum we've suffered under for 3 decades.
What exactly do you disagree is not because of Occupy effort.
Initially they tried to make it about themselves (and how "different" they are or their personal debt problems) rather than about this ...
please Google Image Starvation .. then Homelessness in America - then go to whypoverty.net
But it's far from over - it's only begun (and they've got their stride back)
Because it was fundamentally motivated by the greed that it claimed to be against. Selfishness is common and will never inspire lasting change.
I don’t think it failed. The target was to occupy and you did it. If you start asking for more, you should think how realistic it was that you were going to change the whole world which could be a final objective. I think that realistic objectives should be made with a list of priorities. First thing, first and then the second. I would like to open a post to ask: What are the realistic targets you think that can be achieved? Does everybody think that be occupying Wall Street the world is going to change? Do you have the means to change the world, anyway? Excuse my English (15-M.Madrid)
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Your comment is spot on - "we have the elite out voted, and yet we are tied up and chained by the "elites way of thinking"". Now, that is a powerful statement and makes perfect snese.
The question is "why do people think this way". Is it because they want to be just like them or is it because they don't have a clue?
I would say a lot of people in this country don't have a clue when it comes to how the government operates and what it takes to change it.
So, instead of learning about it and trying to figure out ways to change it they would reather be "self indulged" in their own little world only to be concerned when things directly affect them.
I wouldn't say failed it basically it's just getting started as a movement you have to give it time for the pan to succeed
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This thread looks like cognitive infiltration.
wrong Unfriendly
http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Occupy%20Wall%20Street/
the ember of justice burns bright
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only 7 required to sum up your post.
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Don't have a Facebook account. No more responses to bump your post.
Occupy isn't failing!
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Occupy hasn't failed either lol.
As a matter of fact we are uniting and implementing our goal. Stop feeding into MSM subversion.
Occupy is prevailing, and as it slowly tranforms our thinking we will gradually All prevail. We ave been living in a dark cage of our own making, forged in chains and bars of ignorance and fear. We are now simply stepping into the light of understanding.
Ows occupies your mind----right now!
On to step 2....
Wealth tax.
On to step 3 restore the republic, via ballot.
Step 4 democracy
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It shut down the camps (or allowed them to be shutdown) when they were the heart of the movement. It didn't use the Constitution to its fullest extent. It didn't study enough to not just be a repeat of the 60's. It had misplaced compassion because it did not understand the nature of good and evil. It didn't understand that peace requires truth and truth requires peace. As Thomas Kuhn pointed out -- you can't create a paradigm shift without providing a compelling alternative.
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My apologies. I sort of hold out hope that anarchism will succeed and have my alternative ready-in-the-wings (which you can find in my profile).
Occupy succeeded! You are expressing your wishfull thinking.
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In one year?
"smaller wishes" What is that a joke?
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"to place a cap on profits was a small step"? You're outta ya mind. That is not a small step. that is enormous! Furthermore OWS has made very little effort to achieve that. mostly because I'm sure they realize it is too big to get.
I remember fighting foreclosure, for bankster prosecution, student loan forgiveness, public healthcare option, taxing wealthy, living wage, and other issues but capping profits was never more than a discussion.
And although we haven't capped profits, or implemented the hour coin system (huh?) I submit Occupy has been wildly successful. Much more than I dreamed it could be.
But I'm not stupid, I know that it will take years of hard work on the streets & in the voting both, and I'm old enough to know that it will be slow progress and we must accept the reality that there will be setbacks and disappointments. I'm not naive, I know that the corp 1% oligarchs & their tools in govt are the most powerful force we've ever faced.
I also know that the people united are vastly more powerful than the people in power.
Occupy is responsible for rekindling that belief, & that activism. Isn't that a success?
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I understand what a cap on profit is. I think you fail to understand how huge a deal that is.
That will never happen. Do you get any sense that anyone would support that effort? Do you see any movement within the powers the be towards even a hint of capping profits?
No! Nyet! Nada! It will never happen. I'm sorry you appear to think that is a small thing but it ain't.
No wonder you think we've failed. You have unreasonable expectations.
In 10 years we can measure Occupys success. Not before. Progress is too slow, Be patient, Stay strong and engaged. We need long term soldiers, not spoiled Americans who expect immediate gratification.
Nothing is easy. All good things require work.
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I support a cap on profit. How can we make it so? A simple regulation.?
And I suppose no body would object?
What is our 1st step to achieving this simple change.?
Do you think Occupy has not pushed this simple change because they secretly do not support the cap? Or are they just stupid?
What exactly has stymied this simple regulatory change.
Simple?
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If you can do something why wouldn't you do it? because you've already done something else? Seems a little petty and not worthy of the importance you've attached to the effort.
In any event for you to claim it is "simple" indicates you've thought it through. Are you withholding the means to achieve this "simply", "small" accomplishment because you've done you're share?
Really?
Seems unlikely. More likely you have no idea how to achieve it and simply want to run down Occupy for not accomplishing the impossible.
I think we should have a job for everyone. I say it is a small goal (only 7.8% unemployed!!) and it is simple to accomplish.
Done yet? LOL
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Well you are absolutely wrong. Occupy has succeeded beyond all expectations.
Just because they didn't do what you suggested does not mean failure.
Your profit cap idea is great. I support it. but It is impossible to achieve.
Sorry. Can't be done.
And you may not want to bash Occupy but that is all you are doing. Clearly though your just sore cause they haven't done what you want.
Occupy does not want to engage the political process. But we can engage the govt ourselves. And you can find other existing groups to do so.
If the issue is important enough for you, you will pursue it. Or you will just rail at Occupy for not doing it for you.
Good luck in all your good efforts
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He had a map created by the Chinese 65 years earlier. Not as uncertain as we were led to believe. But your meaning is well taken.
Just throwing this out there: if you are not in the 1% and you don't appreciate and support Occupy, then you are a cheap stut with a gaping hoop. You are blind and contribute to the ignorance that is destroying every facet of life on Earth. You are just plain useless (yet very useful to the 1%) in your comfort zone, unknowingly living the life of grazing livestock.
I am a working class American. I work 50 hours a week and pay for everything that I need. I pay taxes, I do not collect government benefits. I am willing to work for those who are in dire need. I am willing to work to help those who are temporarily down on their luck. I am a productive member of society where perhaps only one half of the people contribute to the system. Grazing livestock would apply more appropriately to those who are taking advantage, and promoting, the conversion of this country into a welfare state
ows promotes the work ethic
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2012/10/08/121008ta_talk_surowiecki
everyone work hard!!!! give your best. go to college and be flexible http://money.cnn.com/101/college-101/cheap-colleges.moneymag/index.htm
corporate profits all time high wages all time low!!!!
if you can get a house in detroit!!! http://www.foreclosuredataonline.com/homes/MI/WAYNE/DETROIT/CHEAP-HOMES/ deal of a lifetime. rent to immigrant Americans, cheap.
do whatever it takes job wise to move ahead, when possible. Manual labor is good for you. I picked strawberries several years, did yard work, 8 summers of hot roofing to go to college, and work study. You will still have some debt, if you get a Masters. go into health care. cant go wrong. don't go overboard public in state U will work good.
and be willing to move to other state if necessary http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57547342/three-million-open-jobs-in-u.s-but-whos-qualified/
it is tougher than ever. have a plan B. and C. take govn't aid till you get back on feet. you got to do what you've got to do. Goal is self sufficiency.
still, wages are very low now.
career is 1 huge decision. 2 is don't settle in who you marry.
Who do you think is responsible for the state? Is it the "government" and elite, or the powerless struggling citizens?
I suppose if you could choose between welfare or police state, you would choose the latter.
Welfare state and police state are quite alike. The government enforcers, be it the IRS for obamacare or ATF for gun control, keep the sheep in line and make sure they have their handouts and keep in line. I am looking at the third alternative. Can you guess what that is?
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Just sayin! And without the approval of a committee. why do you even post stuff here if you don't support it? Really that bored? What is your motive? Don't you think your time is better spent watching tv?
Why?--some of the same reasons the 60's Movement shattered--a dissolution into factions playing the "more-radical-than-thou" game based on ego. An example I would give is my posting a comment in a forum originated by a seasoned veteran (I say "veteran" by the large number of posts by this person)-who gave my comment a "stinkle," yet his reply essentially agreed with what I was saying! I think what rankled this person was a "non-veteran" was getting more "points" in the forum than he was-ego at its best!
ows failed because they wanted everything for free. Everybody else should pay for them. Typical socialist everybody pays except me.
Failure is not the same as reaching full potential.
Leaderless wasnt a huge problem, except that the overall consensus is almost impossible to implement,
The problems are more severe than the public realizes.
Inciting anger was never part of the platform. People are angry yes, but its not the vibe.
Hard not to bash the American way of life sometimes.
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Outreach. Occupy the Mainstream. People are amazed, if you can get them to sit the hell down for a second, as the level of corruption going on with both parties, and how the system is functioning.
They've been too busy feeding the hungry... Rescuing disaster victims... Saving peoples homes.
Pretty much everything the Welfare State has patently FAILED to deliver on.
Who has time to make a revolution?...
The first step toward accomplishing an objective is selecting an objective. Occupy failed to take that first step.
Why did occupy fail? mainly because if was orchestrated by a couple of losers (obama, soros, and the unions)
ows tried to mirror themselves after the Tea Party but failed miserably. Almost all of their protest ended up in violence, theft, rapes, numerous arrest, campsite filth, and an occasional murder or two. This site is about all they have left now. ows was over before it really got started. The only real followers ows had were the ones that are depending on Gov support (welfare, obama phone, etc) for their survival
ows is backed by barry & co. theft, rape, filth, murder pretty much descibes the obama administration.
What happened to Soro's?
Did Glenn give up on that, because he was too busy with agenda 21?
Occupy no longer occupies the media and mind of any American now, it's forgotten and good riddence. I'm surprised and feeling sorry for all the clueless disciples and devotees that have not moved beyond the over hyped propaganda and promises spewed by so many drive by celeb supporters that now don't even acknowledge there ever was an "Occupy". The Occupy corpse is now rotting and needs to be given it's proper burial....a filthy terlet flush will suffice. Time to grow up folks and get a job.
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Yes,...for those whom actually "better the world". Occupy however doesn't fit that criteria.
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What has occupy failed at? Please explain.
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Wall St is being propped up by the reserve. We end the mass printing we end wall st. We are making progress on getting corps. out. We need to make a vote on that, but we have made progress in this area. The environment needs to be addressed. I agree we need to come up with solutions, but the verdict is out on this issue. Taxes are an issue of censored mass print money. As in many plans, such as my own, impenetrable censor free money must be instituted. Mutual Aide is filling in those gaps. Anything else?
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Of course the educational system is horrible. It has been. I'm working on an article for our local occupy media called "indoctrinated from birth," that exposes our system for what it is, as well as alternatives for a free thinking society. Our youth as ignorant as it is, is a product of that very indoctrination.
Trolls are rampant everywhere. Pay no attention to them. Occupy is an idea. An idea has the potential of substantive growth. However, YOU have to be willing to be the change. I put my life on the line for our cause and will continue to. Not because Occupy is a trendy place to be, but a place I can be myself without the reigns of societal pressure.
I believe that we can make change and haven't failed. Failure only exists when we let the errorists win.
Let me ask - with regard to your article - once you complete it just how many people will have the opportunity to read it? Will you have it published or just in hand out form?
To have any affect it has to be on the "best selling list" so, cheers in getting your message out.
Greetings SteveKJR1,
I have access to a huge following online, as well as local physical venues. I'm also working with an grass roots media company, in which I will have access to over 20,000 readers.
Well 20,000 isn't going to do it when you have a population of 300 million people to convince.
But it's a step forward. I'm making progress that's all that matters to me.
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Thankyou! You as well.