Forum Post: While Posters Here Are Tweeting, And Writing Letters To The President
Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 14, 2012, 11:28 p.m. EST by Lokibro57
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People going to New York for S17 are tonight setting up buddy systems, and contemplating the usually traumatizing experience of being arrested for standing up for what they believe in.
This group - occupydemocracyproject.org
Must just irritate you no end - Hey?
Saw them on live stream coverage from NY today.
JOIN THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS M.O.P. VOTING BLOC
Campaign funding miniscule compared to government budget
And you can also sign the petition to Bloomberg.
It's easy, fun, entertaining and in compliance.
So sign it today..............:)
A helpful link to get you there.
OK signed, a bit late, I know, but I included any future direct actions. Thanks shooz. I had also went to the NYC web site a couple of times when those kids were still camped in Zuccotti, and emailed him not to clear them out. Since some miguided people here view me as a 'bully' lol, can I put you in charge of these kind of great initiatives, by putting up threads that compliment ones from OWS.
It would be a great start to the 'healing' that we need on here, and having this forum link to the streets in a much, much better way
We can still argue about that other stuff though, as I do not expect it to ever be all Koombya on here
Better late than never, I guess.
I pushed and bumped the official thread all weekend. I can only hope it helped to some small degree.
I will be happy to do the same on the next action day, but would prefer it not be a thread like this one.
Thanks shooz, i am heartened that you did that, and I am sure that it did help. And yes, I too would not want it to be a thread like this one.
I am thinking about relaying an experience on here that I had in NYC. It was my last experience there, and it occurred late Monday night, and over-lapped into early Tuesday morning. It was when I did jail watch, just before leaving for home. It was beautiful, and it still brings a tear to my eyes. For obvious reasons though, I am reluctant to share this on here. We'll see.
Yes this is a good way for the forum to connect with the streets. Thanks. Yesterday the NYPD surrounded our OWS banner at WSP which was propped up with PVC pipe, and told us to take it down. They were three-deep, and they were confrontational. Caught on the outside, the white-shirt would not let me back in to help my fellow OWS members take it down, even tho I told him that I was one of the people who put it up. I heard there were 25 arrests last night on the protest march to Liberty Square. I. was at the Judson Church with othe OWS members where the pastor gave a fiery speech which ended with Occupy Wall Street!
Afterwards there was a speak out on debt, an occupy movie, and a great diinner. It was the first time that I was able to get my hands on some roast beef at an Occupy event! lol. Did I sleep well at my hotel after having tried to keep up with those beautiful courageous OWS people for about 14 hours yesterday? I don't know....I can't remember! lol
Keep up the pressure on Bloomberg. Today we will be at Foley Square, and we do not need a steroid-like NYPD on our backs
Then lets keep those signatures coming......:)
It's what we internet warriors(sic) can do. So lets keep it going.
See what you can do about starting a bail fund shooz for tomorrow. When our leader here doesn't lead, us underlings have to take the lead.
I can't guarantee it will go to bail, but there are donation links here.
There is a direct link for the bail fund, but I do not have it. I just got home, and am heading back tomorrow for S17.
A NY bail fund link would be an asset here.
If you can find a link to the official fund, please post it.
I asked flip (or you, it doesn't matter to me) to start a thread about this. It's time to ACT and get this forum linked to the streets.
im thinking about joining twitter to finish out my advocacy for we the people, there seems to be few people here now, as i only converse with 4 or 5 people at most. Not enough 2 way conversation to continue posting here I think.
Yes it is sad that DK has made a shambles out of this forum in his quest to make this struggle a partisan one. There has been a lot of resistance to his banal crusade, and those resistors have most often been labeled as "trouble-makers" or far worse. Whenever he really feels the heat, he usually backs off, and proclaims himself to be "people-partisan," but that is just 'code' for 'partisan-partisan.'
You go around slapping people on the back and saying great job - untill you are accepted - and then you basically go on an opt out of taking any action campaign - OH - EXCEPT - for protesting in the streets - which you never seem to promote very well.
Direct Democracy does not happen in a vacuum - which is what you propose constantly by trying to limit peoples actions and involvement.
"Direct democracy does not happen in a vacuum -...," true, and it will not happen in this putrid, irreparable political system
I have clearly stated that this movement is more than protesting in the streets on my last comment to you on the other thread. It is about organizing at the grass-roots level, and reaching out to the unaware mainstream
Your efforts at making this a partisan struggle do not compliment this movement, rather they are detrimental to its chances of success
You belong in moveon, or the DNC, where you could wage the 'good-fight' there for the little changes that will inevitably occur from us, the radicals pushing from the outside, and 'staying the course.'
Occupy Wall Street must continue down this defiant path, if we truly want systemic change.
This site reaches out to individuals and to groups - for education and outreach - as the street protests do - but education and outreach are pretty useless if nothing is done with the knowledge and outreach.
Direct Democracy is about the people getting involved and staying involved.
Change does not happen by itself.
Like I said - stick to the program of street protest education outreach - that you "profess" to believe in and leave other supporters alone - or do you need jart to boot your butt out the door again - and repeatedly for trying to be the decider of what is gonna be allowed on this site?
I will not be intimidated, or bullied by you of all people
This is a forum which means that it is a place for the free exchange of ideas, and I will continue to speak out unhindered by you, who wants to make this a partisan campaign
What you describe, and disguise under some beautiful cloaks is really partisan politics
BS - with you it has always been your way or the Highway - guess what - last time you pushed the issue - "you" were shown the highway - by the owner of this site. Things have not changed.
Can anyone give me a ride to NYC?
better hurry out the door - the protests are heating up - you are needed
Very few people down there this morning.
I think people were discouraged by morons who said that protesters were meaningless, and shouldn't pat themselves on the back.
What kind of shortsighted idiot would make such ignorant statements?
How could that stupid idiot not realize we must encourage MORE people to protest?
I think he is just anti OWS and really a tea partier paid by the Kochheads.
hurry you are wasting time - and yours is valuable
It is. I hope to leave soon. And be there for the bowling green protest.
But you can attack someone else I'm sure, or I can respond to you're attacks later.
i will be waiting and hoping to hear more of your thoughts - i am so sorry to take up so much of your valuable time.
No, Zen, tell us. You shouldn't hold back the way you do. :)
VQkag has brought nothing, but dissention here to this forum since he arrived in late May. He has viciously maligned people, both blatantly, and insidiously over and over again on here. You may be blind to this, but a whole bunch of other people, and I am not.
The OWS that I know in NY is beautiful. I wish it were the same here
Quite the contrary, I am very satisfied with my life. And I make sure that I surround myself with quality people.
Why don't you stop bullying people anyway.? Why don't you excercize inclusion, tolerance, & love because it is the right thing?. Why don't you stop inciting your cabal from trying to silence differing opinions?
Why don't you believe that you opinion is strong enough to stand up to truth and opposing views without the nasty attacks and attempts to bully and chase away those who disagree?
No bullying by me. Just telling the truth as usual.
Bully! Can't allow different opinions 'cause yours are too weak!
"Bully....weak"? Hardly! I am just responding to your BS.
One more time, 'I am neither weak in body, or mind.'
Remember my Scandinavian heritage, and my being the son of a man who stood up for what he believed in, and was willing to risk ridicule for it.
Stop harassing me. You are responding to a message 3 days old!
Sorry, I've been busy. It's just i did not want any of your BS to go unanswered
You responded 3 days ago. You're just harassing me AGAIN on the same message.
STOP harassing me!
No harassment, OK, then stop filling my screen with your stupid comments
I am neither "weak" in body or mind.
Why ain't you marchin dude?
I don't have to justify myself to you... of all people VQkag!!! If you want to question my dedication, I suggest you contact the poster "alterorabolish", who I was very fortunate to have met this week-end. Unlike you, he is a 'gentleman,' and I admire him greatly for taking his two sons to NY for S17.
I ain't gotta take anyone to NY. I AM a ny'r. and I was here with almost 2 dozen people this w/e and many others.
"justify"? Don't! Please don't! I ain't interested. I have never put down your efforts. Knock yourself out. In fact thx.!
Good luck in all your good efforts.
New York is a wonderful city which I love, and have many personal, and family ties with that go back more than 150 years
But, as we both know, being a New Yorker does not in itself make you a good person. In fact.....
Please refrain from these gratuitous insults. I am a good person of course, absolutely. How can you be an OWS supporter and be so mean spirited and throw around unsubstantiated horrible nasty insults.
Please stop responding. Please stop harassing me. You have nothing but horrible insults Always just just horrible unsubstantiated insults.
I haven't insulted you. I'm not insulting you.
Why can't you behave with respect like an adult?
You told me your family left nyc when you were very young. Moved to Jersey I believe you told me.
Are you gonna amend that story?
But you didn't live in NYC right? When did you tell me you moved out?
Yes, I lived, and worked on a 'boat' in NYC. In many ways, I know NY better than many New Yorkers do
If a person has lived in NY, and then left, that would not mean that he or she was a faiure. You and the many corrupt big bankers who reside in NY are case in point, that because you do live there...does not mean that you are not a vile little man....or vice versa of course.
Haven't you learned the lesson VQkag that there are good, and bad people living everywhere, and just because you live in NY does not mean that you are a good person
Please stop filling up my LT screen with your silly comments
Does it make us tougher people? Smarter people? If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.
Did you make it here? Or did you flee like the rest of them?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did make it there, in New York. I had a thrity plus year career out of NYC in which I excelled at my job.
From that experience, and many others in my life in which I have traveled through-out the world, I have become a very good judge of character, hence I can tell you that you...............
is that where everybody is Today?
Can't speak for anyone else, but I was there until about 7:30pm.
Pretty cool. Wish there were bigger crowds. We didn't have enough marchers to take the street from the police.
We'll see how tomorrows pipeline protest/guitarmey march.goes.
"Can't speak for anyone else, but i was there until about 7:30." oooo ooooo! lol The 'inference' and the 'bait' are immature, and of course very 'revealing' of your disingenuous attempt at trying to portray yourself as a true OWS member
Of course I am a true supporter. Why would you question that?
More insults I guess. It is all you are about.
Please stop harassing me.
One more lesson on what a forum is about
You make comments
People can then respond to them, and the bullshit that you most often put in them.
That is what the 'reply button' is for.
Don't want this type of stress...harassment in you life? You should have thought of that before your started your 4 1/2 month very intensive campaign to co-opt this movement, using a whole variety of vile tactics
You know VQkag, this has not been easy on me either. lol
WOW a minus 5, and a minus 3 for me! Have you called the office for reinforcements, after having to put your sock pockets to bed? lol
Numbers are meaningless. I ain't watchin them. I ain't tryin to punish you and your evil group that roam the site to personally attack people you disagree with in a feeble attempt to silence them or chase them away.
After getting caught with four sock puppets, I don't think numbers are meaningless to you at all. You have used them as your tools in your attempt to co-opt this movement.
By "evil group," are you referring to that fine group of young lads who are true OWS supporters?, as opposed to the co-opter that you are VQkag.
I'm talkin about your friends trashy & co. Who only personally attack people who they disagree with.
Stop filling my LT screen with your stupid comments....please!
No there were several events going on last night simultaneously.
Will you get a bonus if you're arrested
insulting! you never have anything but childish offensive comments.
My girlfriend, my daughter and I along with my friends went down because we believe in OWS. We offer our bodies to bolster the numbers. Show the world the movement still has life.
That the 99% believe in a better world where we work together in a respectful, sharing, tolerant way.
When are you going to embrace the inclusiveness, & tolerance we must have to succeed!
Giving your long history of vitriolic behavior on this forum, it's kinda hypocritical for you to call for togetherness. Don't. ya think? What you really mean is vote for the dems, and then we can all sing Kumbya, and get along.
I'm not against singing kumbaya, or voting, or voting dem (ifthey are progressives that might support change that will help the 99%).
But I'm not pushing any of that!. That's you twisting my words dishonestly. Your dishonest accusations against me are never accompanied with evidence because you have none.
As always you are only ever about anger, hostility, unfounded insults and never about positice activism.
You have no honor. I'm leaving soon for another postive action. You can stay here and rail, attack everyone you disagree with.
You do not know the meaning of the word "honor," or integrity
Most of us here are tired of hearing your twisted logic, and the vile words that you spew
You are like NOBODY that I know in OWSNY
While I play my part down in the affinity group Occupy Town Square, you do your damdest to play your part in OWS up in your futile attempt to gain validity
Just another unfounded attack. You offer no evidence because you have none!
excercise inclusion, tolerance & love, like I do and you will be a happier person.
It would not take an intensive investigation to prove my point. You would just have to go back and read some of your posts that you have yet to pull down
i am with you on this one - vq is off the wall - he cannot admit he is a shill for the dems - keeps talking about progerssive dems - i don't think he knows what the term means.
Thanks again flip. I'm getting ready to leave for NY again this morning. OTS has a "buddy system" going on today for S17 where everyone will look out after each other, and one person in particular. I will not leave NY today until I am certain that my she is home safely. Would you think about putting up a thread for a bail fund? I know there is a direct link for it, but do not know what it is. Thanks
i have a small window to do something today but not sure what you want - i looked quickly at the site and see no bail fund info - what would you like me to do?
It's been difficult for me to respond, as I have been in NY the past three days. I did have some time to follow it up, but didn't. Anyway, it is something we can do in the future.
I just got home at 0530 Tuesday, today. The last experience that I had in NY, while doing jail watch was one that I will never forget. It sure is different there, than here.
keep at it man - i have the grandchildren now so my time is limited
Thanks flip, I will keep at it....I promise. All of our "time[s] are limited." It's what we do with that time that counts. My granddaughter is the main reason that i am here,....and there in NYC, so by proxy, i am there for your grandkids as well, and vice versa, of course.
i know that for sure. those that put in the time and fight for real change never do it for themselves. and are always hated by the powerful. especially if they do a good job of raising hell! don't know why but mother jones came to my mind but i will give her to you - i think this is from howard zinn - "By the time the labor convention took place in Trinidad on September 15, 1913, the grievances had accumulated. When Mother Jones dramatically appeared to address the delegates, they were ready to be aroused.
Mary Jones, whom the miners came to call Mother, was born Mary Harris in Ireland, where as a child she had seen British troops march through the streets with the heads of Irishmen stuck on their bayonets, and where her grandfather had been hanged during the fight for Irish freedom. Her family had emigrated to Canada, and Mary, then in her twenties, moved to Michigan and then to Memphis, working as a dressmaker and a schoolteacher. At thirty-one, she married an ironworker named George Jones, and they had four children.
When the Colorado strike began, Mother Jones had just come from the coalfields of West Virginia. "Medieval West Virginia!" she called it later. "With its tent colonies on the bleak hills! With its grim men and women! When I get to the other side, I shall tell God Almighty about West Virginia!"
Thanks for that history of this courageous woman. I definitely will look into her life, and other people like her further. I am in no way putting myself on the same pedastal as Mother Jones. She is in a category that few others are in. Nor am I putting myself in the same league as so many of the other people in Occupy Wall Street who do oh so much more than me.
i know that but you are supporting those who are in that same mold. that is a big deal - more than most. howard zinn's "people's history" is great on people like mary jones.
Thanks, I have heard so much about Howard Zinn's "People's History," but have yet to read it. Anyway, I definitely am going to get that book soon.
Thanks flip. I realize that There are people here who disagree with me out of conscience and even though our exchanges can get heated at times, I respect them. VQ, and DK are a totally different matter tho.
Your new moniker suits you better then your others have to this point in time as it gets closer to your nature ( bravo ) :
Loki From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search For other uses, see Loki (disambiguation). "Loke" redirects here. For the ethnic group of Nigeria, see Yakurr. "Lopt" redirects here. For the line output transformer (LOPT), see Flyback transformer. Loki as depicted on an 18th century Icelandic manuscript
In Norse mythology, Loki or Loptr is a god or jötunn (or both). Loki is the son of Fárbauti and Laufey, and the brother of Helblindi and Býleistr. By the jötunn Angrboða, Loki is the father of Hel, the wolf Fenrir, and the world serpent Jörmungandr. By his wife Sigyn, Loki is the father of Nari or Narfi. And by the stallion Svaðilfari, Loki is the mother—giving birth in the form of a mare—to the eight-legged horse Sleipnir. In addition, Loki is referred to as the father of Váli in the Prose Edda.
Loki's relation with the gods varies by source. Loki sometimes assists the gods and sometimes causes problems for them. Loki is a shape shifter and in separate incidents he appears in the form of a salmon, mare, seal, a fly, and possibly an elderly woman. Loki's positive relations with the gods end with his role in engineering the death of the god Baldr. Loki is eventually bound by the gods with the entrails of one of his sons.
In both the Poetic Edda and the Prose Edda, the goddess Skaði is responsible for placing a serpent above him while he is bound. The serpent drips venom from above him that Sigyn collects into a bowl; however, she must empty the bowl when it is full, and the venom that drips in the mean time causes Loki to writhe in pain, thereby causing earthquakes. With the onset of Ragnarök, Loki is foretold to slip free from his bonds and to fight against the gods among the forces of the jötnar, at which time he will encounter the god Heimdallr and the two will slay each other.
Loki is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources; the Prose Edda and Heimskringla, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson; the Norwegian Rune Poems, in the poetry of skalds, and in Scandinavian folklore. Loki may be depicted on the Snaptun Stone, the Kirkby Stephen Stone, and the Gosforth Cross. Loki's origins and role in Norse mythology, which some scholars have described as that of a trickster god, have been much debated by scholars.
That is rather bullying. Consider : If you 'hound' a person then one can't be surprised if they turn into a 'dog' (with or without 'zen') and may come to bite you with or without good reason. I bet you have more with common with 'Loki' than you have differences. After all ... you are both here, on this forum hoping & working for sanity, love and progress in 'The United States of Amnesia' (Gore Vidal, RIP).
Calming down & burying hatchets is useful sometimes. Here's Dolly :
I really commented because I know the "Kirkby Stephen Stone, and the Gosforth Cross" and also ...
You should better direct this comment to loki the trickster. I have told him time and again to promote street protest activity and leave other supporters of OWS and all of the Occupy groups that want to take other actions forward alone to do their thing. He says he wants to build a bridge to the ground on this site - the bridge to the ground already exists on this site and is easily accessible just by clicking on the News button - instant access to the existing bridge to the ground for each individuals ease of review and participation.
Loki does not avail himself there - no he just goes after others on the forum that do not align with "his" thought of the purity and proper function of OWS and protest.
So you go ahead and advise him to work on being proactive in his chosen area ( street protest ) and to leave others alone. Good Luck with that.
BTW - in case you missed it my comment which you do not like was in response to this comment ( the type of comment that he makes all the time ) :
This comment is one of his mild ones - but follows the same tack. He comes after me and I respond.
Go back to Move On where you belong Dem Shill. We don't need nor want your letters to the President in this anarchic protest!
We must get ride of you and Build A Bridge To The Ground!
F O trashymask - the bridge to the ground already exists on this site and it is a Fine Strong and Good Bridge. Check it out - News. Now - so you are back to trying to support anarchism after dissing it yesterday? You are such a joke trashy.
U R not blind trashymask U just can not accept the fact that this site does good work for OWS and all Occupy groups - That is why U persist in attacking this site and the good people who come here to participate. U R a Cancer.
You live in mortal FEAR of moveon!!!!!
Giggle. You're nutz.
Not to mention the "bridge" is here already.
Geeze you're blind.
Stop acting as the body guard for Partisan Powers. We want anarchy, not an Obama love fest.
No, there is no Bridge To The Ground on this site. The people who want to create it constantly get banned by the Obama lovers AKA Partisan Powers who have co-opted this website.
Which puppet are you today, and which puppeteer is pulling the strings?
In other related news!!!! Obama team tweets campaign message on 9/11 anniversary, day bodies returned from Libya
WOW thanks DK. I am impressed that you would do this for me. It is so nice that I do not have to regoogle this, and it is handy that I can draw strength from my Scandinavian heritage right here on the same thread where you, and VQkag denigrate everyone who does not believe in partisan politics, or the nasty, arrogant way that you want to conduct this movement.
Before i left for NY, Saturday morning, I told you that you were 'clueless' as to what this rev is about. Tht is not what I meant.
What I meant to say is, you are REALLY CLUELESS DK
Sorry i missed your speech in NY. Where did you give it again? lol
More ad hominem from the forum's scribe to the President and leader of Partisan Powers. As per usual, no substance is offered.
Go away trashymask. Your opinion means nothing - means less then nothing - You are a constant attacker of this forum and the people who come here in support of OWS and all Occupy groups.
Go away trashymask. Your opinion means nothing - means less then nothing - You are a constant attacker of this forum and the people who come here in support of OWS and all Occupy groups.
There U go showing part of your true face - the abusive bot user/attacker.
Go away Site abuser attacker.
This site has always and will always do good work for OWS and all Occupy groups. You will not change that or end this site.
I only see a few getting attacked.
U have been here long enough to know better then that Eeyore.
more talk about attacks than attacks
Is this site good for learning about ows?? Just wondering because it seems like there is some friction here!!!!!
This forum is under constant attack by trolls shills RINO's DINO's corpoRATist's. You check out the site and make your own decision.
You can start here : News.
It does offer some good information....posts that you won't see in the regular news that are helpful and informative...however its riddled with ideologues that won't look at any information you provide if it might possibly stain their preconceived beliefs...and if you provide that info you'll be attacked like crazy.
i don't really get them - do they just want to disrupt or are they such blind dems that they can't get anything through their heads
i agree with you to some extent. if you are right then they are shitty team players. if we are all pulling in the same direction then we have to try to figure out how to work with each other. i am not convinced that we are all pulling in the same direction. my wife is much more of an obama supporter than i am - we have some of the same debates. when things get touchy and the facts don't support her beliefs it is hard for her but she does not throw tantrums. i tried to say to vq that he might get a better response if he recognized obamas failings and pushed on from there. he just started ranting like a little girl - not sure what that is but it is not something i have time for.
Ranting like a little"? That is ridiculous! and sexist as well. I HAVE recognized Pres Obamas failures.
Do you have evidence of that lie? When did that happen? Just cause you say something doesn't make it true.
You ought to stick with the truth you lyin piece of shit!
the middle east is not protesting a youtube video
No light? perhaps the computer screen.?
LOL! You joke but the best way to cut pollution & demand for ME oil is if everyone made an effort to conserve energy.
It will save us money, and it is cheaper than investing in green tech (which of course I support & submit we MUST do)
I have no doubt
Do you think violence will stop if we declare a ceasefire?
If that is true I support it.
I certainly support ending the drone bombings, the war on terror & bringing the military home every where.
I think we have to pressure for the end of the fear mongering that allows all of that. And in regards to the ME I think we need to outlaw fossil fuels and get onto green tech now!
I need to ride my bicycle more
took a walk instead. I let it get dark and have no light
Yeah that's probably it!. I've seen protesters in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan & Tunis complaining about the US govt "insulting the prophet".
But no matter if they believe it or they have been incited, We have done enough damage with bombs and puppet dictators for 50 years to create much violence.
Now how do we stop it?
declare a cease fire
I Agree the video is a small part but wasn't the video created (by right wingers) to incite violence.? Has religious extremists used it to incite protests to create cover for the planned attacks against us?
I think someone complained about the video at the protest (likely an instigator) and the propaganda press ran it
valuable time - doesn't look like it. so now it becomes clear - it is your memory that is shit. is it a medical problem or old age. as to the little girl thing - if the shoe fits......
All done? Give up? You have NOTHING positive of value to contribute..
You have simply attacked me personally repeatedly. And now I have worn you down.
The positive truth always succeeds! You have been dispatched, & dismissed.
Try to spend the rest of your time ENCOURAGING more protesters. Our best marches are when we have had 10's of thousands and overwhelmed the police. It matters.!
Grow the movement. That is our current state. We must grow the movement. We must stop attacking each other!
We must embrace tolerance, inclusiveness, peace, & love.
Peace be with you.
and peace on you too
You don't know what you're talkin about. I've been calm all along. You ain't important enough for me to get upset over.
replace pro 1% conservative with pro 99% progressives, Boycott plutocrat corps, protest for real change to help the 99%.
Grow the movement join up with like minded groups.
you are really boring - don't you have anything better to do?
So then you got nothing.? instead you spew sexism, & agism!
You got a problem with girls and the elderly? You don't sound like a tolerant, inclusive Occupier. You sound like a conservative who probably comes here to tear down good people!
Meaningless & inconsequential.
what do you do with your valuable time - sit at a computer? and of course, you are right - i am a sexist, agist (?) conservative who is meaningless and inconsequential. and you are a little child (better) who is patting himself on the back for being such a special little boy (you must be a boy - women are not this stupid). i know you did not spend time in the park - people like you were quickly dismissed. there were too many interesting discussions going on - nobody gave people like you the time of day. now vq - make my point - you have nothing better to do than to respond to me with another silly child's tantrum - go ahead - make my point.
I was with the marchers for 2 days and going back later today! I ain't pattin myself on the back or havin' a tantrum.
You can't have a serious discussion. All you can do is attack, insult, & bully.
well i am glad you have calmed down - did you stop because your arm got tired?
"That is ridiculous! and sexist as well.......You ought to stick with the truth you lyin[g] piece of shit."
Judges gavel: bang...bang..bang, the defendant is found guilty and is remanded to custody. lol
some follow ambition
But you haven't because you can't You cannot present evidence, because there is none!
I thought you were going to NYC? We need all the bodies we can get!
Stop attacking me and do something on the ground!
phooey.....you seem to have had a lot more time than me to have been on this forum over S15-17. I will not get into a 'pissing contest' on who has done more on the "ground," with someone I regard as not having the success of this movement his first, and foremost priority. Besides, I think you might need some rain gear if it were a face-off.
See VQkag, i can leave all those great feelings I have from the past few days to deal with you......because they are permanently imbedded in my mind, and remind me of how out of step you are with OWS.
Are you glad to see me back VQkag?
I was there for 3 days! I brought friends, & family and took part in many great actions.
I don't have to prove to you my dedication. I've never questioned yours. That is the difference netween you and me. I embrace all supporters efforts.
You pick & choose. You don't appear to want to include other opinions & grow. You don't recognize the critical need to work inside & outside the system.
So you attack, seek to silence & attempt to chase away those who don't agree with you.
I have never attempted to silence you, or chase you away. I embrace and support your efforts (except the attacks). I am inclusive because I know we face the most powerful force against the 99% and NEED each other.
Why don't you acknowledge this.?
That, if true should provide you with the 'cover' you need to carry on your partisan campaign
I have never attempted to silence you either
So in that light, you are full of bullshit
I very fortunately know of no one like you in this movement
All the people that I am close to are 'high quality."
More meaningless childish insults.
Stop harrassing me.
Do something positive instead of constantly personally attacking me in a feeble attempt to silence an opinion you disagree with.
"childish insults," ?! Oh please...pleeeaaaase..stop attacking me VQkag. Please respect the fact that I am a fragile old man. lol lol lol
Be there soon!
Will u b wearing an Obama hat, handing out dem lit?
Will you be wearing a fake bridge for a hat?
No I don't wear hats, and I don't need to fake anything. I have been with OTS since their first event early this winter, and I have been at WSP since 0930 this morning setting up, and we just finished packing up at 1830. As you probably know by now OTS is OWS premier affinity group, but admittedly not because of me
Well of course not - because of U - I mean. If U are there ( in reality ) then the others would have to carry the load - now wouldn't they(?). You are only good for tearing others down - not much help to the others - Hey?
"Eat shit and bark at the moon Odor....". You have yet again proven how clueless you are DK. I'm leaving WS Park now after having a great day with really nice people who know what this revolution is about.
Before I leave let me read the quote atop the beautiful arch that is just 50 yards away, once again. "Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair. The rest is in the hands of God."
Raising that standard is impossible with you and VQkag at the helm of this forum.
there are many things I don't know
Please stop personally attacking me!
Because of my honesty, and humility, you were able to score a couple of points using your dishonesty, and nastiness. Congratulations. You live in a vile little world DK, exposing once again how you are clueless as to how this rev is being waged
Eat shit and bark at the moon Odor - I mean Odin.
In case you missed it - here is a repeat for U.
This group - occupydemocracyproject.org
Must just irritate you no end - Hey?
Saw them on live stream coverage from NY today.
No DK, you and VQkag2 have become the biggest 'irritants' to the people in Occupy Wall Street who are not 'clueless.'
I don't mind irritating you and your phony Occupiers.
BTW I just watched Sherman Jackson (OWS press) state "we are here to raise the alarm so that the 99% can take whatever action they choose, be that the voting both or otherwise"
What do you think of that? Lying, attack boy?
Woooo, sounds like you now have found your 'license' to continue your partisan bullshit
Last night I watched David Degraw (who coined the term 99 percent) on "young turks" state we need both reforms (inside the system) and radicals (outside the system)
He compared it to the relationship between MLK, & Malcolm X, He suggested the radicals will facilitate the powers that be to embrace the reformers.
What do you think?
To the below comment. Yes I thing that you would be more at home with your people at moveon.
I have never mentioned moveon. I do not espouse their talking points. Only you have mentioned them.
More scurilous lies!
Use the truth it is life affirming.
I told u long ago I never do the partisan dance down there. But as always I took notice of several anti romney, Bloomberg, Ryan things, no anti Obama. Some "both party suck buttons" but many dem leaning lefties.NO repubs.
I asked some occupy people behind the tables and they said that both parties suck but they are voting for Pres Obama.
I march part ways downtown but I had to get home for daddy duty.
I do not need your disingenuous "Good luck."
Hard work, and surrounding yourself with good people substitutes for luck very well
Gain validity"? I don't know what that means. Many people disagree with my ascertain that reforming inside is required along with radical recreation.
Some come here just to attack one party/politician, and disagree when I honestly challenge that unfairness.
I not trying to "gain validity". My comments have been 100% honest, & 99% civil, & respectful.
Your comments are 90% attack, & personal insults, & frequently unfounded.
Decent people will make the right judgements. I don't think about my popularity. I'm popular fine in the real world.
Here I only want to challenge liars, & republican trolls with the truth.
Great band. Think I saw them at CB's! the song is a bit misogynist.
If you're tryin to say something you should just do it
I can't do the interpretive thang much. Too easy to get it wrong.
Peace, Love, & Understandin'. (whasso funny 'bout it?)
You don't know me! I don't have to validate myself! I am proud of my efforts over the last 4 decades! You think my posts here matter in some way?
Please, your opinion and that of the friends you had gang up on me are irrelevant.
You must know by now that I am an independent thinker that is not bullied by anyone!
I'm gonna be all over MY city this weekend! I don't know what you look like so I won't be lookin for you!
Your supposed efforts, that I would assume were with moveon, or the dems are laudable, if true. The question remains, where did 'our' efforts get us, as that period of time just about mirrors the start, and progression of the 99%'s decline. One might think that you would have learned from that, but you obviously have not.
"Independent thinker"??? You have got to be kidding now!! lol lol lol
You a person, "....that is not bullied by anyone." Maybe because you are too busy 'bullying' people with your profanity-laced, self-righteous, disingenuous tactics!
If progressives were protesting as I have for 35 years instead of sitting on the couch lickin their wounds and tuning out. We might have forestalled the right wing kochheads power grab.
Instead of attacking me with your lies you should focus on growing the movement! The numbers have to be bigger.
If your contibutions to the forum are a sampling of what you 'supposedly' have done, I can understand why we are 'here', and will continue to be 'here' by following your prescription to success
Once again VQkag, your 4 1/2 month history on here speaks for itself
Your idea of "growing the movement" is for it to become an affiliate of moveon.org, where it will die and the corrupt status quo will continue
I have NEVER mentioned moveon.org. Only you have done that.
I am not pushing the dems. I only ever do when I respond to inaccurate, unfair attacks/accusations by republican plants.
You have no evidence to the contrary, because none exists.
Growing the movement means joining up with like minded groups. Being inclusive, Embracing tolerance. And most of all stop the personal attacks amongst each other.
You have onlyever attacked people who disagree with you. You offer nothing positive of value.
Embrace inclusiveness, tolerance, and love.
Peace & Solidarity.
No, no evidence may exist, because many of your posts are missing
It's laughable and hypocritical that you talk about, "Embrac[ing] inclusiveness, tolerance, and love."
Some people value inclusiveness, tolerance, & love.
My comments have been 88% civil & respectful, & 100% honest. You have only use your comments to attack people you disagree with.
This morning I heard a few OWS supporters stating we need "3 point outside game" System recreaters! And a "dunking inside game" reformers!
What do you think of that.?
You manage to stay outta jail yesterday?
Yes I stayed out of jail, and i just got back about two hours ago. I did have a really nice experience while doing jail watch though, which was the very last thing I did before leaving, and it reminded me again how far out of wack that DK, and VQkag have brought this forum. All three days were wonderful
VQkag2 was recently caught red handed by jart for intense vote manipulation. DKAtoday was planning on blaming it on you, but it backfired when jart checked the IP and saw it matched with VQkag2. Partisan Powers have no shame.
DK was planning on blaming me...Odin? Really? So he is just starting to understand how clueless he is...... now? I guess it can't be easy living in Coon Rapids, eh?
Thanks, so while I was in the city for the last couple of days with all those determined, courageous OTS/OWS people, VQkag was busy down-voting me. WOW.... lol. I can only hope that his fingers are as sore as my feet. Keep an eye on him for me tomorrow, as i am going back up on the morning bus.
U R sad and pathetic beyond belief. I called for the site to look into the anomaly.
Your failed attempt at vote manipulation to pin it on Odin is what is pathetic. Yes, indeed, you called for the site to look into the anomaly thinking they would figure it's Odin or Thrasymaque. What you failed to realize is that jart can check IPs and she saw it was VQkag2. Partisan Powers gets caught red handed in devious voting manipulation. You'll do anything for Obama won't you?
I believe U must be going into a methane withdrawal - better stick your head back up your ass where it belongs.
You're so clever? How old are you?
Vote manipulation... meh... so old school... I did that ages ago with much more efficiency and effect than you and VQkag2 will ever achieve. Vote manipulation... lol!
Hell I thought it was U imagine my surprise. I mean it was U who most recently threatened to attack with a bot.
I know, that's why you tried this stunt. You thought it would be easy for you to blame it on me because I had done it before and I talked about using a bot a few days ago. You and VQkag2 saw a chance and tried to take it. It failed. You got caught red handed doing vote manipulation. You shouldn't try to use hacking methods if you don't know anything about computers. I said many times that I don't vote anymore. It's useless since they removed comment collapsing. I don't waste my time doing it. You should bring back your Partisan Powers to the democrat site where you came from.
Build a bridge, and get over your personal divisions.
Eve of OWS anniversary, and people griping.
People tuning in don't care for personal scores.
If you care for Ows, improve listening, empathy. T
Or nobody will listen to you.
This message will self destruct in 5 minutes.
Those are worthy goals, and I could support them
But you cannot do that when you have shills leading this forum, whose primary purpose here has little to do with the success of this movement
OWS does not Push Democrats or Republicans.
OWS should make this clear...
maybe people who do should get the cone of shame.
Jesse Ventura on Pierce Morgan 9-17: declared Democrats and Republicans have for 150 years, caused the debt and problems we have now, money in politcs. It is an "abomination", based on bribery, and China, theoretically, could buy an election, with citizens united. Pierce Morgan says Ventura is right on this, and agrees.
OWS should declare those parties dead, align with Ventura-minded supporters for 2016. Ventura said he would run, (if there is a ground swell of support).
One weird thing Ventura said was World Trade Center Tower 7 was declared fallen on the BBC 30 minutes before it fell, and he declared Condoleza Rice said in memo to Bush August 6, Bin Laden Al Quaida would steal planes and fly them into US buildings.
All the anti democrat, anti republican politicians, should have debates, and ignore the main Stream candidates, and declare them immoral.
A wise Ventura saying: we should get the hell out of (Muslim/other) countries that do not want US's help.
Agreed, "OWS does not Push Democrats or Republicans."
They both stink
Jesse Ventura makes a hell of a lot more sense that the overwhelming majority of most politicians
What do you think they're trying to do? Re-elect Obama? Government psy-ops?
Your reasoning is as faulty as ever - Worm tongue.
Is it that faulty? I think the readers will be able to see that it's not, especially since all the devious stunts you pulled before. Let's let them decide OK.
Devious stunts? U R reaching - this has got to be one of your lamest attacks ever.
"- better stick your head back up your ass where it belongs." Now, now DK that certainly was not nice. Surely a man of your supposed stature can do better than that. lol
really - you are proud of your efforts over the last 40 yrs. and what might those be? are they all related to helping "progressive dems" - the clintons and obamas of the world. the people who are worthy of respect (we can start with howard zinn) say that they are ashamed they haven't done more. i doubt you will be all over the city and i doubt you are anywhere near nyc. i think you are a phony - you would not have lasted long in the park they way you debate.
1776 The Musical (1972) - For God's Sake John Sit Down-8th May--
very funny - and a bit sad at the same time!
You are mistaken. I've rarely left NY. I just walked past Howard Zinns home (been reading him for years) in the Lillian Wald projects in Alphabet city (ever hear of that) after a full day marching with OWS from Gansevoort to Foley sq with the Guitarmy.
I've been protesting against govt action (dem & rep) since the SST, Early '70's earth day, ERA, MX, Anti Aparthied, anti contra. AIDSWalk, And much much more
I am most angry with progressive dems (Obama ain't progressive) for their failure to stop the right wing. I am deeply disappointed with progressive people who lay down and rolled over after gettin their ass kicked in the 70's.
But I don't have to prove anything to you! Who the fuck are you.? You got some problem with me?. Speak up! lets hear it. You got some evidence?
Or are you just talkin out of your ass?
your posts do not seem consistant - is there more than one of you writing - is there a 1, 2 and 3 that i am confusing. if you have read howard zinn you would understand that getting out and marching is not going to do the trick. the real work is done by those who do the day to day organizing which is why we are where we are. while it is great to protest and better than most it is nothing to be pround of. we all need to do a better job but the system makes it difficult - they have not maintained power by being stupid. i am just another person who has not done enough to change the mess my country has caused. as to my evidence, it is in too many of your posts and you have heard it from too many of the posters here. they are not all crazy - time to look in the mirror - maybe when you are done patting yourself on the back you can take a look.
a check of score would indicate whether the VQ name is running through iterations
extra iterations would not have a consistent score
protesting is something to be proud of
protesting is a good thing but relatively meaningless if you then go home and watch tv for the next 6 months. i am not putting down those who march in protest - i have done it many times myself. what i am saying is that those of us who march should not take ourselves too seriously. the people who do the work every day are the heros - they deserve the pat on the back. we need to support them and not be too satisfied with our walk in the park.
I agree, organizing, reaching out at the grass-roots level, along with protesting is the key to our success. I know that i am biased, but nobody does it better than Occupy Town Square. I heard so many complimentary things said about them.
While in Liberty Square Park, I met this bright young lady from Occupy Santa Barbara who was aware of OTS, and what they were doing. I introduced her to one of our bright young OTS members, and they went on to have a long discussion.
Please. you are only about tearing down. insults, attacks. You DID put down protests. You haven't shown the appropriate respect to real OWS supporters and only put down people.
We should most definately lift up the protesters. Those people working behind the scenes would by nothing without the protesters. They are working everyday to GET the ptotesters out.
You dishonor those working every day by putting down the efforts of protesters.
i wasn't talking to you - trying to have a normal conversation - nothing better to do than to drop in on the conversation of others? as to protests we disagree - i stand by this statement - "protesting is a good thing but relatively meaningless if you then go home and watch tv for the next 6 months. i am not putting down those who march in protest - i have done it many times myself." you either did not read zinn or you did not understand him.
You don't know what you are talkin about. denigrating protesters is the WRONG approach!
Name drop Zinn if you like. I don't matter. You must change you ways & encourage people to protest. not put them down for whatthey do when they go home.
You are WRONG!
it is becomming more clear what your problems are. memory is certainly one of them . it is also obvious that your reading comprehension skills are very weak. we agree that you don't matter!
replace pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives, Boycott, & protest for change the benefits the 99%
you keep making my point - reading comprehension is not your strong suit - are we wasting time yet?
You're only point is to attack me, and discourage protesting.
I stand against that shortsighted ignorance. I stand with the 99%.
replace pro 1% conservatives with pro 99% progressives, Boycott, & protest for change the benefits the 99%
I will look at any evidence. I do not consider unfounded accusations important enough to think about for even a second. More likely just childishness.
Protest nothing to be proud of? Whatever. I've done a great deal more than protest. I don't have to prove anything to you.
I'm doin just fine. You are simply attacking me. You're like a little mosquito. meaningless, and inconsequential. You got anything substantial to say rather than unfounded accusations perhaps I'll listen.
Otherwise, it ain't worth my valuable time.
you are on here too often to make anyone believe that your time is valuable. glad to hear you are doing fine. no mirrors in the house?
I won't move for less than $15/hour
Takes time to create those sockpuppets
Stop lyin about me. you piece of shit! You got evidence of your dishonest accusations lets see.
"you piece of shit." You are not sounding like an Occupier now VQkag, and you are proving my point with almost every comment. There is little reason now to go back into the archives looking for your 'missing posts.' The "evidence" you ask for is here on this thread! lol
Evidence of what? That I call liars a piece of shit?
You have exposed to most of us here what a vile, and diingenuous person you are VQkag. You are even an embarrassment to the people who may agree with your stance on partisan politics out of conscience. While I would enjoy having many of those people over my humble adobe to discuss issues....you and DK would be a different matter entirely.
You have only ever attacked people here. Never anything of value. Never anything positive.
I know you well enough not to take anything you say seriously.
phooey...just more false supposition on your part
At least I haven't called you "vile"
Where did that come from? Do you know what the word means?
We need inside the system reformers, and outside radicals.
Like the founders of OWS have stated.
"Vile?" That probably came from the only time that I had a two word PM from anyone, but that was from you, that said, "fuck off."
That was after I had only politely reminded you that you had forgotten to sign off with your customary "Peace", and "Solidarity," after you had told another poster to "fuck off." lol lol
There's lots more as we both know VQkag
You're a liar. You come here for one purpose, to personally attack the people you disagree with in a feeble attempt to silence them.
Stop harassing me. If you have something of value to discuss I may entertain it. But this constant abuse is too much.
Please stop Harassing me with unfounded accusations and unjustified insults.
"You're a liar." No VQkag, unlike you, I have NEVER ever lied on this forum purposely
And VQkag, unlike you, I have never over-played my contributions to the strugle that 'most' of us are in, as that would be a diservice...an 'injustice' to all the people who do so, so much more than me.
That concept is 'foreign' to you, I know
You lie every time you insult me. That is why you never provide evidence.
"over played my contributions"? What does that mean? A new unsubstantiated accusation? Another Lie.
Please stop harassing me!
What is this cone of shame thing? Is this something new?
VQ was caught creating sock puppets (surprise surprise} Jart put it there. [-] 4 points by jart (988) from Brooklyn, NY 42 minutes ago Well, part of the problem is that VQkag2 has been making sockpuppets to upvote his/herself. I'm going to make them wear the cone of shame for a couple days. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
Dunno exactly, but I think it might be like the "Hall of Fame"...in reverse of course. I think VQkag might have some 'splaining' to do.
I am being punished.
VQ. If that is correct, then you have lost all integrity and credibility. Gone. Zero. You should have "listened" to what I wrote to you and then taken the suggested break from the forum. I agree with flip...there is more than 1 of you responding under that name.
fox news is running the story the middle east is protesting over a youtube video
Yes, Matt, huge street protests in Australia's Islamic community in Sydney.
Several arrests made, and much debate in forums over the rationale behind allowing Moslem asylum seekers to stay in our country.
I'm thinking that the oligarchs want to toss islamists into the western culture to allow the easier imposition of regulations curtailing freedom of assembly, and freedom of speech.
People do want to feel safe, after all. Where is that old saying? Those who give up their freedoms to protect their safety deserve neither. Something like that.
R.E.M. - Exhuming McCarthy [Document]
Surprise, surprise you agree with someone attacking me.
fair minded people know that without evidence the attacks are just meaningless slurs.
I ain't done nothing wrong in my comments. You don't know what you're talkin about.
Do you ever read(or listen) properly? I said "if". So what is the real story about the cone of shame? you stated you were being punished . "I ain't done nothing" ???
I ain't done nothin' wrong in my comments!
That's right. just some inappropriate voting methods, Nothing ban worthy.
Get your piece of meat now. Minor slap on the wrist, won't last since I'm civil respectful 99% of the time. And honest in my comments 100%.
If you were dishonest in voting, then why should we believe you that you are honest otherwise? Just because you say so? So, in the interest of transparency, tell us all then, why did you do it?
"dishonest in voting"? I think I was honest in voting. I voted down nasty, offensive, people who come here to personally attack(and down vote)decent people they disagree with.
I also up voted the decent people who challenge those nasty people.
I did that only because of the nasty offensive group downvoting the decent people, & took it upon myself to correct that unfairness. And of course the nasty boys put such importance on the numbers I thought it would be annoying to them.
That is fighting the good fight.
What was dishonest about that? You support the nasty boys? Are you one of them?
To your reply below. By this and your other answers in this thread, It is truly amazing that you just don't get it.
Do you mean it is amazing that you don't have the ability to explain it.?
Use a dictionary, no shame in that boss. And you don't have to tell anyone your using it.
To your reply below: so who put you I charge to decide who to down vote and up vote? Sounds a bit egotistic. You really need to get over yourself and should take a break. It was dishonest and that is why you got the cone of shame placed on you.
I thought we each were "in charge" of who we up & down vote.
Who's in charge of your vote?
What was dishonest about my voting? I honestly voted the low lifes down and the decent people up. As always.
Yeaahh. You can't front on that!
My bklyn boys! excellent song. I don't front!
My comments have been 100% honest! no frontin'!!
R.I.P. Adam Yauch
You don't know the half of it.
"You don't know the half of it." You mean, you had twice as many sock-puppets!? lol
I was justtrying to correct an unfair attack by the usual criminals on this site as I have done from the beginning!
My efforts have gone unnoticed. So you don't know the half of it!
Minus 4, there goes that bonus. Does this mean you will have to cancel your trip to Hawaii? There are still some great all-inclusive deals to the Carribean that are good. I think they water down the booze though. lol
Yeah, dude lost 3.64% on his/her green-energy heavy ETF yesterday.
Listen all yall...
Been 10 years since I've gone on vacation. No one pays me to speak the truth here, and challenge the hatefulness I encounter.
You're suggestion that I'm being paid is childish lies. You have no evidence of that.
The numbers are meaningless because they are so easily manipulated. Only shallow, egotistical people make an issue about them.
That's not you is it?
He is doing nothing to try and stop it and the Obama admin was even tipped off before any violence took place but did nothing. Even when bodies of the four were shipped back to the US, he kept on campaigning. He is a disgrace
So you won't be voting for Pres Obama?
Would you say anyone should?
Hundreds of Afghans protest near US military base, protests continue in Pakistan and Indonesia. Thanks Obama!!!!!!!!!
It's all Obamas fault!
In reply to the below comment. You seemed to have taken great stock in the 'numbers,' having all those sock puppets. lol
Time to get a job you slackers
"Up your jumper" (an NZ expression, cute eh?) pal. Get back to me after you have sent two kids through university. That's as in paid for.
Partisan Powers must and will perish. We don't need Obama loving clowns in this revolution.
We're all partisan.
It's not going away, as it's a natural kind of thing.
Get with the program and stop living on BS.
It's bad for your brain.