Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: Where The Heck Is GirlFriday?

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 13, 2012, 4:57 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (9780)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Have you been banned?

133 Comments

133 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (21353) 2 years ago

Giving into the trolls sure is not the answer. Come on, folks.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Correct BW.

But it can come to a point most certainly when you are passionate about fighting what is wrong in the world. That you overextend a little and do not take care of your spirit.

Then you really need to step back for a moment and regroup and recharge. Hearing positive thoughts and wishes from people who care is also a good thing.

So rest well GF and ZD and come back when you are ready.

[-] 5 points by MaryS (678) 2 years ago

I can't even imagine this forum without GF giving somebody hell or ZD with his Repelicans. And though they have made me howl with laughter at times, they provide much more than some needed comic relief. I have learned a lot from them and others who I followed for the brilliance of their posts. This has been a part of my education that I doubt I would have gotten any other way. I do wish this forum could be reincarnated with some more restrictive moderation; I don't consider that against freedom of speech, which always has some limitations. It's your forum; you have a right to make it the best it can be and this could be a powerful educative tool.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Dtto to all of that.

[-] 0 points by SameOldSong (-5) 2 years ago

Maybe she got a job.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Damn, you did a good job of picking your screen name, especially when every thing that comes off your fingertips are the same old song. Can I give you a suggestion? Get a new jingle.

[+] -5 points by ZenWhoreDog (5) 2 years ago

As I love to say

      Libertards

         ARE

       DUN (ces)
[-] 3 points by MaryS (678) 2 years ago

That's because you're getting sleepy... almost comatose.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 3 points by elf3 (2709) 2 years ago

Since when doesn't America fight for the little guy or fight for what's right - it's so hard for me to ingest that. I hear people at work belittling the movement, calling people in the movement thieves - as if we haven't worked hard for things or sacrificed or struggled as if I want their money and as if I'm not paying the same percentage which I am - but they live in a whole different reality. They don't understand the struggles we're facing. Eating, paying for gas to get to work, praying our cars keep running... hoping we can pay the rent. It's easy to feel like giving up day after day of stress worry fear. And you leave it at home because you have to carry on with the day like nothing is pressing on your shoulders. It doesn't take much to lose your footing - one week you're a productive working member of society - the next week you're homeless...and you spend all day watching out for bumps trying to foresee them and plan as if it makes a difference... all you can do is try to change the system make it better for everyone. It shouldn't be so hard - not saying you shouldn't have to work or work hard but why does it have to be like this? Why should there be so much fear and hopelessness and anxiety when you know no matter how much harder you push - everything will push back on you including the 1 percent who profit from you being down - who are at their best when the rest of us are at our worst. There are people living on the street, shower at the gym, so they can get to work - so I know I'm one of the lucky ones - I have a job - I'm not homeless... I can still eat ....at least for now.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Absolutely! Everyone tries to convince us that Americans have it easy. Perhaps relative to those in the Third World that is true, but since when did we want to compare ourselves with the Third World? When I was young, in the 1960's, America was the envy of the world. That hasn't been true for a long time. The ( I believe intentional ) destruction of the middle class, and war on the lower class, started with Reagan and has been going on systematically ever since.

They've slashed wages, actual inflation is far-higher than reported. The cost of housing has gone up ten-fold, at least, in my lifetime. The cost of health-care is an outrage. Pension plans have been gutted, and now they are sharpening their knives for Social Security; really the last protection most of us have from living on the street.

All the while the rich have increased their wealth ten-fold.

There is a point where a society can no longer hold together under this strain, and we have reached it. Those who say we are lazy whiners asking for a handout are asking to end up like the French Aristocracy. Their level of callousness to the suffering of others, while living like kings, has gone beyond the point that it can be suffered. Most Americans live lives of quiet mysery. The time for quiet suffering is finished. It's time to end the mysery, for us and everyone that pays the price for these pathetic, psudo-kings.

[-] 12 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

It absolutely started with Reagan under the heavy influence of Donald Regan who, prior to his appointment as Treasury Secretary in 1981 (then Chief of Staff starting in 1985), was Chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch. Regan was the chief architect of "Reaganomics", which essentially boiled down to removing corporate regulations, tax-cuts for the upper/wealthy class, stagnation of wages for the middle and lower classes, and a strategy of emasculating the Labor unions (e.g. hardline approach of the ATC strike).

I can clearly remember all of this, even though I was around 25 at the time it all started. I was dumbfounded to learn that Reagan was going to borrow a trillion dollars or so to finance the military buildup that he had convinced the nation was necessary to fight the "evil empire" of the USSR. Even though I knew very little about the world back then, I still knew instinctively that the American people would have to pay more for a loan with interest than if they had merely been taxed. But, of course, I didn't fully understand why the money was borrowed instead of taxed at that time (now i do). Liberals were in full retreat. The Conservative propaganda had effectively silenced their objections.

Over the years, I have had the opportunity to observe the constant singing of the "tax cut" song, the belittling of Liberalism as a form of insanity, the recklessness of Big Business without regulations, and all the rest of the Conservative agenda. That agenda is now crystal clear to anyone with open eyes and powers of objective awareness. It is the same old agenda that pre-dates the French Aristocracy. It is as old as civilization (and even prior). It is the pathology of A-type personalities who seek, for reasons only they can know, to dominate other human beings and to subject them under their power. I suspect it may have its roots in fear...deep pathological fear. But it is a sickness that has damaged the entire world for thousands of years and is now leading to destruction of global environment, habitats, and species.

They must be stopped. That is why Occupy must succeed.

[-] 2 points by flip (7029) 2 years ago

look up "starve the beast" and you will understand reagan - also - who gets the money on the interest payments - not the middle class!

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

Yes, everything I have read/heard says we are only making payments on the interest, not the principle, of the debt we have built up...and about 40% of the debt is owed to the Fed.

[-] 2 points by flip (7029) 2 years ago

right and the rest of the interest is paid mostly to wealthy people

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

This was a wonderful statement of our cause - absolutely great!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

I'm glad you liked it. As you can probably tell, I am deeply passionate about this movement, although I try not to let that passion cloud my critical thinking skills. I must admit, it is a challenge at times.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

That's putting it mildly. These are subjects of enormous complexity.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It (the Raygun era) was a perfect storm of neo-liberal/conservative and big biz tsunami-hericane-tornado-eathquake hell. When you look back in horror.

Lewis Powell (and his famous memo) was building a wet dream of untethered capitalism, Milton Freedman had a damn TV show on PBS, Carter was easily made the poster child of abject and complete liberal/environmentalist/Dem failure, the USSR was still in business (barely) and didn't even care we taped a big "kick me I'm evil" sign on its back, Raygun the figurehead was studying lines for the greatest acting role of his career as America's first fascist dictator (seriously), and a cabal of insanely pissed-off Republicon zealots who lived and breathed PAYBACK for the "treasonous mistreatment" of poor Tricky Dick were tasting blood!

Nothing short of monstrous. Literally. Even after recession, raising taxes, Iran-Contra, creditor to debtor nation status, and Bush-Cheney picking up and driving us straight off the proverbial cliff causing mass and repeated and continuing disaster, destruction and death IT STILL LIVES! The Raygun Monster is still alive and ready for mayhem.

That's why electing one cool black dude is not even close to being enough, like a few million voters mistakenly thought.

We have to stake the monster's heart, chop it into pieces, burn each piece, set each piece's ashes separately in concrete, and shoot each cube of concrete to a different star. Then we have 10 to 20 years of clean up here on earth. Not to mention the thousands of Raygun Monster zealots to contend with.

We got trouble, right here in River City!!

or

This ain't no disco, this ain't no fool'n around.

Where's Warren Zevon when we need a good rallying song? Where's Sarah Connor? Where the heck is GirlFriday? At least we have Hitgirl and Underdog, Gypsyking and ThunderclapNewman!

Time to get this party started!!! (yes, I did)

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Don Regan had absolutely nothing to do with Reaganomics. The President knew much of it himself and was arguing the principles back in the 50's when he was at SAG. He understood the problems of concentration of power and the corruption that comes from that. He learned it the hard way fighting for his members at SAG. That's why he came across free market principles. Don't forget they were not in vogue in his era.

Girl Friday knows more than most people on this board. I say this will all due respect, not only is she smart, but she is a true lady.

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

The below is from Wikipedia, admittedly not the best source of information, but one I turn to frequently for quick research. It would seem to imply that Regan was involved to some degree, although I am willing to retract my statement that he was "chief architect" of Reaganomics. The depth of his true involvement may never be known to the public.

=================

"President Ronald Reagan selected Regan in 1981 to serve as Treasury Secretary, marking him as a spokesman for his economic policies, dubbed "Reaganomics". He helped engineer changes in the tax code, reduce income tax rates and decrease taxes for corporations. Regan unexpectedly swapped jobs with then White House Chief of Staff James Baker in 1985. As Chief of Staff, Regan was closely involved in the day to day management of White House policy, which led Howard Baker, Regan's successor as Chief of Staff, to give a rebuke that Regan was becoming a "Prime Minister" inside an increasingly complex Imperial Presidency."

"Michael Moore gives brief focus to this in his documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story, which insinuates that Reagan was merely chosen a frontman (or "sheriff") for the real power behind the throne, among them Regan, who at the time was the Chairman of Merrill Lynch and who Reagan appointed as Treasury Secretary and then Chief of Staff."

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

I'm not trying to argue with you as it is a moot point, but Regan was not steeped in classical economics. He was much more a Keynesian command/control type person.

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

I have a question, and it is not intended to generate a debate. I did a little Wiki research and found the below quotes from "The Commanding Heights: The Battle for the World Economy". If Regan was Keynesian, why would Reagan hire him since Keynesian economic concepts appear to be in conflict with Reaganomic principles?

============

"After World War II, the authors believe the work of economist John Maynard Keynes came to be widely accepted in Western economies. Keynes believed in government regulation of the economy, and the authors underline this as Keynes' great influence and prestige. In the authors' opinion, these so-called "commanding heights" were often owned or severely regulated by governments in accordance with Keynes' ideas.

The authors then discuss how the political change of the 1980s ushered in a change of economic policy. The old trend changed when Margaret Thatcher became prime minister of the United Kingdom, and when Ronald Reagan was elected President of the United States. Both these leaders parted ways with Keynesian economics. Rather, they were more in the tradition of the work of Friedrich von Hayek, who opposed government regulation, tariffs, and other infringements on a pure free market, and Milton Friedman, who emphasized the futility of using inflationary monetary policies to influence rates of economic growth."

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

I can't remember exactly but I think he was a recommendation from Baker. When I say Keynesian, I mean command control. He was a Merrill Lynch CEO who was used to getting his way and believed that he could just invest his way to economic growth. A lot of the work done in the 70's was doen by outside advisors. Kemp had a lot of influence at the time.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Isolation.

We have been isolated. De-unified. Separated.

Unions practically gone. Discussions with fellow workers discouraged. Unemployment lines gone, it's all done online. Job application lines gone, online.

Isolated we are weak. United we are strong.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

GypsyKing, you provide a good arguement for a Profit Cap. It would have controlled the rising costs you have mentioned.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

That is not a concept I am familiar enough with to comment on.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

It's a concept that would end a lot of misery.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Thanks, I'll have to look into it.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

There is a reason an evil few in the 1% had their Republicons in the Supreme Court inflict us with Citizens United, it's to buy the minds of The People.

Occupy has to overhaul and detail our/their message. We have America's eyes and ears. But not for long.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 2 years ago

A cap on sales profits would take some of the pressure off.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

She doesn't have to live on this forum. Just hope she's having a good time whatever she's doing. We love you, GirlFriday!

[-] 1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

I think he/she/it is busy with her/his/it's anarchist troops.

[-] 1 points by freehorseman (267) from Miles City, Mt 2 years ago

Why would they Ban G F?

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

shes prolly on vacation, i know im going to vegas soon. this place is too addicting to leave it. lol move over facebook we got forums on occupy wall st.org hahahahha

[-] 0 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

maybe she's off writing Mein Kampf?

For once she started viewing conservatives as being somehow subhuman she became the type of racist she decried.

I just hope other peeps here don't go down the same self righteous path that leads to dehumanizing their opponents instead of arguing on the facts at hand.

As a conservo-american I can tell you, many of ows's goals are worthy, and conservo american's can help, but say we're sub human... not so much.

[-] -1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Fascism as espoused in Mein Kampf is Right Wing like Nazis and conservatism, even more so with today's radicalization of the Cons.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative and his wife headed the local Planned Parenthood. Today's Cons have gone off the charts right, which is wrong for America.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Fascism was far from conservatism, might I point out that it was the nationalist socialist party? or that Adolf was a vegetarian? or that he believed that communists, social conservatives, and jews were less evolved?

Hitler viewed his opponents as being subhuman, which is why catholic priests, evangelicals, and Jehovah's witnesses were rounded up with gypsies, hebrews, and homosexuals.

And Barry goldwater was not a conservative, he was a libertarian, whom rebranded himself and other libertarians (ayn rand) as neoconservatives, then later as conservatives.

Todays politicians and pundits that claim to be conservative are anything but conservative, they are libertarians that wish to collapse our system, not conserve it.

Don't make the false assumption that these folks are the same as the honest, hardworking, average folks that self Identify as conservatives.

It's like apples and oranges.

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I liked hitgirl, at least I think it was her handle.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

GirlFriday

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Not HG but GF?? Are U certain of this?? Cuz I thought I communed with a certain HG. I await correction.

BTW: have you commented on the new POST about stupid Righties and Big foot?? It's fun!!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Your awaited correction is The Post. Scroll to the top and have a look.

I am trying to get away from supporting divisive posts.

I am trying to advocate that everyone get past their petty differences and focus on uniting in common cause for the health and prosperity for all.

The only bashing I support is against the blind marching supporters of the greedy/corrupt who are trying to put down this movement, by belittling and distracting and throwing mud and trying to discount this movements actual worth.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

That's nice of you to tell me what you are trying to do.

So I do, too?

I'm trying to make this movement work, like bullets and lube.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Having fun is OK.

I like that you want to support the movement in your own way.

I'm just trying to get the word out. That it does not matter what your party is or what your leanings are. What is important is not the differences that make us individuals with differing perspectives. What is important is that there are good people in all party's and in all leanings ( left, right or middle conservative, progressive, liberal, whatever ). Affiliation does not matter, what matters is wanting to do good for all.

So that is my focus. Finding and promoting common cause to unite in support of for the good health and prosperity of "All".

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I agree..this movement should simply be about right and wrong, or fair and unfair...and what has been going on in this country has been wrong... unfair. I we stay on that track and keep out of partisan politics, we have the ability to reach into the center and center-right even.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you.

We must support reason.

This will also be helpful in reaching out to other good people.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

East-coast evangelical!

Seen it a million times.

Keep it. The water revolution is not for another 50 years.

But, actively researching issues and candidates is always GREAT!

And Registering and voting is Mandatory!! Oh Yeah!!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What??? - "East-coast evangelical!"

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

That's what you sound like.

They lay it out the very same way.

and then... BLAH>>>.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I suppose that is possible.

What I am though is an all purpose advocate for health and prosperity for ALL. Environment, Business, Economy, Energy etc.

This generally has me looking for ways to come together in support of fighting corruption, greed, pollution, inequality etc.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

George C. a great social commentator.

I miss him. Food for thought delivered with humor.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

It's why SNL is THE best news medium!!!

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I didn't even see this. Ha! You guys rock.

[-] -1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

Maybe they finally got the right tweak to her meds.

[Removed]

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (21353) 2 years ago

I would like you and GirlFriday to come back.

[-] 0 points by flip (7029) 2 years ago

this does seem like a waste of time for the most part. a couple of apologists for the rich and a lot of flailing

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21353) 2 years ago

What do you mean, flip?

[-] -1 points by flip (7029) 2 years ago

if girlfriday has bailed i understand why - this seems to be pointless - not what you do -keep at it but i have had about enough

[-] 3 points by grapes (3261) 2 years ago

It is NOT pointless. Paying homage to the Supreme Creator, who inscribed for all to discover and read for eternity, in every atom at every energy level, the signature of Alpha (Rev. 1:8), I am inscribing my thoughts for posterity. The most ubiquitous atom in the universe, the hydrogen atom, turns out to be a miniature control system of the direct acting kind. GirlFriday probably just needed a rest as I had done before when the incessant trolling led to mental fatigue but I am still not out because the mission must go on.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Come back ZenDog I'll get out the grinder.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Hi Zen, Nice to see you. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Double loss! Damn it!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

she kepted up with the news

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

What news?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

protest in various country

legislative actions

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Uh . . . okay.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

most people post there own ideas

she provided reports

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

And damned good ones, if you ask me.

[Removed]

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

All the best to both of you. I almost decided to quit here too recently, but I just see so much response to this movement globally that I couldn't bring myself to abandon it over differences of philosophy. I realize, of course, that your reasons may be more complex than that implies. In any case I'm Really Sorry to see you both go:(

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Don't give up the fight gypsy, OWS needs good people like you.

I, myself, left this forum for a couple weeks, but that was only because I was doing other things, working for greater equality.

Now while this forum can be useful to influence others, it can also have a negative impact when individuals see some as more equal than others, which was the road that girlfriday was traveling when last I was here.

I guess what I'm saying gypsy is that while most of fridays stuff was good, what is more needed is the type of inclusiveness that comes from people like yourself, and not the divisiveness of dehumanizing our opponents that some (myself included) have engaged in.

But if you do leave from time to time, might I suggest that you work toward that greater equality? This spring we need more people to register to vote, get others to vote, pass out petitions, write letters to editors etc.

If we are to change the system, we need to do the hard work.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Re. "just see so much response to this movement globally" : DAMN STRAIGHT !!! Which is why 'The TrashyImposter' is contracted to do as he does !! Ad Iudicium et Nil Desperandum...

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

As usual, straight to the heart of the matter.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] -2 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 2 years ago

Yes, the potential is dead because brain dead idiots like you and that whore slutfriday can't effectively counter anyone that disagrees with you narrow view of the world. Both of you simply resorted to name calling at every oppertunity. Good riddance to scum.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Yes she has - but no doubt your nefarious bullshit didn't help his mood but THAT'S Exactly The Idea, isn't it "joined on 5th Feb. 'TIOUIMPOSTER', TrashyManqué" ?!!!

You really are an exceptionally treacherous and nasty piece of work, whose "Multiply Disordered Personalities" would induce Mother Teresa to curse and slap you upside your two-faced head !!

Isn't there a sewer you should be floating down somewhere, you obnoxious and nauseating little turd ?!

Anyway, GF is entitled to a break and to just watch, read and chuckle to herself from the sidelines, for as long as she likes, surely ?

Nil Desperandum ...

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Thank You shadz, for dragging this rat to light! This scumbag actually had me convinced, from the tone of his comment, that he was the actual Tiouaise! It is this kind of mindfuck, over the course of months that drives people from this site; and it is partly that which has made me determined to STAY.

My conclusion is that we must just have our say, try to stay positive, and don't believe that ANYTHING on this forum is necessarily what it seems to be.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also keep in mind that putting out good information even to imposters, still airs the information for others. Thanks for all of your efforts GK.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Thank you for yours.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well in that case sign my petitions.

Hah!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I constantly sign petitions. It's not that hard to do. It won't provide ALL the answers, but it's a good start, and what the hell, it isn't painful.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Exactly so. Who knows in this day and age they may begin to make a big difference.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/keystone-xl-24-hours-to-act-speak-out-emergency/

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I really have been astounded at their effectiveness so far. It has been far greater than I would have ever thought it would be. You know, it's just possible that the powers that be are finally really scared, and are willing to give a lot of ground at very little cost to us.

Just a thought, and what the hell - it's pretty rediculous to be advocating revolution if you can actually GET WHAT YOU WANT just by signing petitions. Judging from their track-record so far, this might actually be possible. If so, damn it - we should ALL give it a try at least, if change is what we really want, and we MIGHT EVEN ACHIEVE it this way. If so, it would be pretty damned rediculous to not just sign the damned things!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It "is" part of the revolution! Its the opt-in part.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Exactly, we should simply do WHATEVER we can do short of violence, and the 1% will not be able to stand up to the relentless pressure. They're already giving ground, and the effectiveness of these petitions shows it. I really believe that even a lot of people in the 1% are not happy at the state of things, and this may not have to be a blood-letting, even in a figurative sense.

Nobody could look at the state of the world today and mistake it for a place that does not need radical and fundamental change. I think we ALL see that, except for a VERY SMALL minority of the 1%, and they simply cannot impede the rest of us for long.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just so.

That very small percent still has a lot of money and power. More than some country's.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Yeah, she sure as hell did. I really liked her comments here, and it wasn't just the articles she shared, but her personal comments as well. I'm really going to miss her presence on this forum.

[Removed]

[-] -3 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

For this movement to be shed of both of your vile hate monging is a great thing. Good fcuking riddance to both of you pieces of garbage. Especially you, anyone with sense knows what you are really about.

[-] -2 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

He got a job.

[-] -3 points by tomahawk99 (-26) 2 years ago

in jail?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I hope She is just taking time to recharge and regroup. The blind marcher attacks while generally obvious can still be draining. We all need to keep track of our stress level and do things to support our well being while we continue this fight. GF if your reading this care for yourself and I hope to see you back here. If not here I know you will continue somewhere else as that seems to me to be who you are. Active for good.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Very well put. Thanks.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26587) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think we all stray close to disillusionment and frustration from time to time. It is at these times ( preferably before ) that we need to step away for a moment and recharge. It is OK to do something good for yourself to stay healthy.

[-] -3 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Seriously, cut the remorse and defeat. You're making me sick.

Look at Gandhi, look at MLK, look at Malcolm X, JESUZ fucking Christ!!! Do you think they even thought about giving up a year,or five years into the battle?? QUIT BEING PUSSIES!!!!!!

It's going to get harder, and tougher, and more people will go. That's what happens with war that changes the status quo. This is not a hobby. This is not a game. This is war. WAR!

War is not supposed to be easy! Or fun, or fit into your schedule, or pause when you're not into it, or go away when friends disappear. It sucks all the way around.

"We have a dream!" The people, united, we will never be defeated.

Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, I need not pause to say how very delighted I am to be here tonight, and how very delighted I am to see you expressing your concern about the issues that will be discussed tonight by turning out in such large numbers. I also want to say that I consider it a great honor to share this program with Dr. Bennett, Dr. Commager, and Rabbi Heschel, some of the most distinguished leaders and personalities of our nation. And of course it’s always good to come back to Riverside Church. Over the last eight years, I have had the privilege of preaching here almost every year in that period, and it’s always a rich and rewarding experience to come to this great church and this great pulpit.

I come to this great magnificent house of worship tonight because my conscience leaves me no other choice. I join you in this meeting because I am in deepest agreement with the aims and work of the organization that brought us together, Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam. The recent statements of your executive committee are the sentiments of my own heart, and I found myself in full accord when I read its opening lines: “A time comes when silence is betrayal.” That time has come for us in relation to Vietnam.

The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government’s policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one’s own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. But we must move on.

Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak. And we must rejoice as well, for surely this is the first time in our nation’s history that a significant number of its religious leaders have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism to the high grounds of a firm dissent based upon the mandates of conscience and the reading of history. Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movement, and pray that our inner being may be sensitive to its guidance. For we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.

Over the past two years, as I have moved to break the betrayal of my own silences and to speak from the burnings of my own heart, as I have called for radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many persons have questioned me about the wisdom of my path. At the heart of their concerns, this query has often loomed large and loud: “Why are you speaking about the war, Dr. King? Why are you joining the voices of dissent?” “Peace and civil rights don’t mix,” they say. “Aren’t you hurting the cause of your people?” they ask. And when I hear them, though I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment, or my calling. Indeed, their questions suggest that they do not know the world in which they live. In the light of such tragic misunderstanding, I deem it of signal importance to state clearly, and I trust concisely, why I believe that the path from Dexter Avenue Baptist Church—the church in Montgomery, Alabama, where I began my pastorate—leads clearly to this sanctuary tonight. (CONTINUED:) http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/documentsentry/doc_beyond_vietnam/

http://laborquotes.weebly.com/solidarity.html

[-] 3 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

You are absolutely correct -- this is a war. It is a war that we must fight peacefully though. It is a war for the hearts and minds of millions of people who know that something is wrong with our country, and the world, but don't know how to effectively combat the evils they see all around them. Despite the complexity of our world, it is a war based on the very simple innate principle of Right and Wrong. Only if a population has been completely deluded, and can no longer distinguish the simple concepts of fairness embedded in those concepts, can the brainwashed pollution of moral relativism take hold...and I am afraid it has taken hold of this country in a very strong way.

I am not a religious nut. You will never see/hear me discuss God or salvation on this site. But a nation that cannot clearly distinguish between Right (proper treatment of individuals and groups) versus Wrong (improper treatment of individuals and groups) cannot be expected to assume the necessary moral high ground, en masse, to actually win the war.

We must awaken the nation and the world to what is truly at stake here. Opportunities like Occupy do not come along very often. This is not the time nor the place for silliness. Opposition forces are serious about discrediting and suppressing Occupy whenever/however they can.

Yes, JIFFYSQUID92 is correct --- this is a war. We need to adopt that mentality and not just type away on these Forums because we find it mentally stimulating or addicting. We have a job to do --- a war to be fought. It is a war we must win. If we fail, then it is not too difficult to imagine what the world will be like in another 25, 50, or 100 years.

We must work toward stronger unification of our goals and efforts. We must adopt a national policy initiative toward effectively realizing those goals. And we must concentrate, most importantly, on our communication strategy to the millions. Without effectively communicating the core message of Occupy to those millions, Occupy will eventually lose energy and drive, and then gradually die a quite death.

We cannot let that happen. We must win this war. The stakes are just too great. The world faces global domination by the evils bent on owning it if we fail.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

NO! YOU ARE!! (although, I believe there are exceptions to every rule ~ I'm a living example.)

ThunderclapNewman, too! And of course many others, are "absolutely correct"!!

NOW WHAT???

UNITY

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21353) 2 years ago

I'm with you Jiffysquid. Nothing that is important in life is ever easy. Nothing. I'm glad you're here. You're a great contributor.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Thanx. I want to discourage any and all ambivalence.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

That was gr8 whoever you are but I might recommend 'all small case letters' or at least small case 'i' lest some 'idiot-troll-bot' try to usurp your moniker !!

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Whose remorse and defeat? I don't think anybody here is talking about remorse or defeat, but simply whether to post on this forum. I think you're over-reacting

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

What am I to think when this is all I see?

Wa Wa Wa!

Others read this you know.

Where is the spirit, THE SPIRIT!!

Is there a better forum/site?

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I think there are a lot of ways to contribute to this movement. I'm not going anywhere, and I can't speak for ZD or GF, but I'm sure they aren't going anywhere either, as far as their commitment is concerned.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Of course there are a lot of ways to contribute, who's doubting that?

We must be strong. United.

We mustn't be weepy and petulant.

We must be WE. And who the hell is the FUCKING "GA"???!!! It sounds like something out of the USSR! GMAB!

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I think the GA reffers to the New York General Assembly, although I don't know what significance that has to this post. I also don't know who you are describing as "weepy and petulant?"

As you can see, I'm trying to be diplomatic right now, but there's a lot of water that has gone under the bridge here, and if you are new to this forum you probably aren't aware of the complexity of some of the issues.

I don't think anybody here is being weepy, or petulant.

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

One thing I'm not is "New."

Maybe here, but not on the war.

I'm seeing a lot of newness with Occupy in general. Perhaps that's exactly what was needed. It certainly caught attention.

I think the other thing is better to talk.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I can see that you're not new, and welcome aboard here on this site! Great to have your input!

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Stooges or Throbbing Gristle would work better for me. I hate commercial/cooped PF?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

can't stand Enter Sandman by Metalica myself

Metallica - For Whom The Bell Tolls

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Over my head, Beavus and Butt Head, and the doc Lost Paradise (which has a new addition to justice) are my only Metalica... no, I just don't like them.

Where's my Sara Connor??

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

For me the truely timeless part of the MLK speech cited above is this:

"A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, “This is not just.” It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, “This is not just.” The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just."

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

MLK was an amazing human being. Just think what he and JFK, RFK, Lennon, Wellstone, and the others would have to say about the hostage crisis we have by the hands of Republicons and their 1% masters?? Thanx, TN

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

As beautifulworld wrote earlier in this thread,"... nothing important in life is ever easy."

And so it would seem.

I think that I, and perhaps others among us will look back of this time when we "hung in there" through the movements first winter and feel that we made it through some "growing pains" that were simply part and parcel to the process of annealing. We're fortunate to have some very bright and dedicated people involved in both the movement and this forum.

I'm including many of the detractors as well when I say that. They test our resolve and commitment. They argue, name-call and all of the rest of it that we all know only too well. Those detractors are a part of what anneals us. I think this forum allows me to have a sense of community where I can go and "breathe some clean air"' if you will.

I agree with underdog in the sense that the stakes are very high for all of us.

We aspire to do something revolutionary in the world. Something wonderful. I think we'd be wise to remember that these are "the big leagues." This is hardball. What goes on here in this forum is nothing compared to what the real world will be like - how those who oppose us will act toward us in their efforts to stop us. What they'll do will grow more severe as their fear of the possibility of our success increases.

If we are to nudge the world toward a return to any sense of putting needs ahead of wants - a "revolution of values", as Dr. King put it - we need to put our messege out and do so in a truely effective way. We'll need "hearts and minds."

Are there any still among us who were or are communications majors? Who work in mass media? Who work in media relations? Please make our messege clear and resonant on TV, in print, everywhere.

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

So true, so right, TN.

I agree with you and Underdog.

There are no more coincidences, evil does exist, and it knows no boundaries.

Our only chance is unity. We saw this with OWS and O-nationally. Even if it was an accident. Opportunity doesn't knock twice.

Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!

[-] -3 points by survivor919 (-2) 2 years ago

She got a job and a life

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

She probably already had both, now why don't you give it a shot?

[-] 1 points by survivor919 (-2) 2 years ago

LMAO, boy thats a good one :0). Do you write for Jay Lenno ?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I do have a job. Unlike you, a paid for troll. :D

[-] 1 points by survivor919 (-2) 2 years ago

PAID FOR. LMAO, by who ? YOU"RE the one thats getting paid. Shoot , I cant even GIVE it away

[+] -4 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

I'm picking up GF's and ZD's slack. I'm glad that Obama signed the Drone bill. We need those drones keeping tabs on people and tasering them. Vote for much more government until we all work for the government.

That is a viable solution, everyone in the same boat! YEAH!

[+] -7 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

She died. Her parents decide they didnt want her and they had a "retroactive" abortion on her. So blame abortion on preventing promising lives. If you like legalized abortion then you just killed GirlFriday. There you go,,, hope your happy.

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

You Unconscionable Little C*nt, TrashyManqué !!!

My comprehensive and exhaustive 'forum-post' listing as many of your 20+ personas as I can recall, is right round the corner - so you might as well get your Personal Message Flooding BS-Bot ready !!

Twat !

[+] -4 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

Hate to disappoint you. I only have 1 personas. All the other people posting on here are,,,, well,,,,,,,, other people. There are far more anti-OWs on here than you think there are. I think there may be MORE anti than pro. One was to count is by the same,, same,,, same,, same people,,,, like YOU posting on here 24/7.

And,, after reading your comments,, would be if your parents could do so,,, would probably agree to aborting you right now if they could. They may have loved you when you were born and allowed you to be born,,, as God wanted,,, but I bet they have changed their mind. I bet your closer to being aborted than you think because reading many of your posts it is very apparent that your brains have already been sucked out of your neck. "do fuss" You and potty mouth GirlFriday can have all kinds of name calling fun in hell. (wait, the devil probably hates OWS too. He has an image to keep)

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Encore, "You Unconscionable Little C*nt, TrashyManqué" !!!

You keep SHILLING and I'll keep smacking you, until perhaps I allow myself to take things to another level !!

And remember, Montreal is watching !

Idiot ...

[-] -3 points by FreeDiscussion4 (70) 2 years ago

Oh no,,,,,,, NO,,,,,, not Montreal,,,, please,,,,,, not Montreal. WTF is that you douche bag (as the now aborted GirlFriday would say) Just remember a couple of things,,,

There is no "I" in Team.

But there is a "YOU" in C*nt. dumb shit.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

LOL !!! No, seriously ... proper Out Loud !! Idiot !

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

There are far more anti-OWs on here than you think there are. I think there may be MORE anti than pro.

that is not likely

most people go where they are in agreement

[-] 1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

And this is why I'm not a Christian. So much hatred.