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Forum Post: Keystone XL - 24 hours to act. Speak out. Emergency! Update

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 13, 2012, 1:15 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN
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Alert ; Keystone XL

Take action: Hurry we have 24 hours on this.

http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=5532632&id=34968-4904244-gP9qsdx&t=7

It would create few jobs but will threaten many lives.

Also: Do you support raising the taxes of the super wealthy?

Then add your name and show your support: http://dccc.org/budgete

Help Millionaires and Billionaires to contribute a fair share to the health of the country.

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[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi DKA, Signed, wife also. Forwarding to others. Thank you for your effort. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you for supporting direct action and forwarding for the education and participation of others.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20506) 2 years ago

The National Wildlife Federation website does a good job explaining all the deleterious affects this would have on the environment:

http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/Reports/Archive/2010/Tar-Sands-Staying-Hooked-on-a-Dirty-Fuel.aspx

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Beautiful BW. This is good material, food for thought, expanding education and awareness.

So compliment ( deserved ) having been delivered for your outstanding addition to furthering the fight.

I must ask did you take part in the two petitions listed above?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20506) 2 years ago

Yes. Thanks.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No thank you for taking part and for being a promoter for the fight for a better world.

Thank you for sharing education towards understanding.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

People need to take physical action, not just sign electronic petitions. Not saying that will not help, however it is not nearly enough. Let us not just stop the pipeline, but also shut down the tar-sands all together. (at the least it need s to be cut way way back) It is a devastatingly destructive corporate development for short-term gain of a few individuals at the expense of future generations, and current living beings all around.

[-] 2 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

There are almost 4 million people in Alberta that would disagree. Benefit of the few? We all have truely free health care. How many of you live in a place where any (literally) idiot can drive a truck, or watch a gauge for six figures a year? No degree; no risk? The oil is sitting on the surface as is. At present we strip mine; but in the near term that won't make sense and we will just blast in steam, and retreve the oil with a small well site. Do you have any idea how big the north is? I go north from here it is nothing but trees for 4+ hours on the highway by car to the tar (oil) sands. From there it's nothing but 100% wild for about 5 hours by plane to the north freakin pole.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Don't pretend that all the people in Alberta support the Tar-sands, they do not. Yes, as always there are crumbs passed down to the workers, however the real money is taken by corporate owners (foreign-owned corporations in fact) and not shared with the 4 million residents. The north is big so we can destroy some? That is some great logic there. How do the native peoples who live in the north feel about it? Strip mining,. physically ripping apart all life on the surface, and then leaving, poison pits of rubble, giant lakes of corrupted water that kills thousands of migrating birds while leaking into the local drinking water,. but yeah some local people get some good paying jobs for a while, so we should be happy, right? It is a payoff, pure and simple, to do just what you are doing, supporting a terrible destructive corporate operation that extracts wealth that should be long to all, for the short term benefit of a few.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

jp, I agree with your above statement but you would have a more compelling argument if you left out the corporate bit. There are a lot of corporations that operate locally and as small biz that keep money in the communities they serve. The common misconception of what a corporation is and the blanked use of the word deflates our argument to a certain degree because it makes us look uninformed. I too have been guilty of misusing the word from time to time but I have had to train myself to not do this. Not only am I asking you to do the same, but to help others be clear about the use of the word as well so we can all strengthen our arguments. We have a good start and impact thus far and I think there is room for more progress.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

I use the word as it is defined, as "a separate legal entity that has privileges and liabilities that are distinct from those of its members" this distinction is what makes corporations a terrible problem. There is just no way to hold them to account, the CEO steps down and a new one takes over, and then points to the actions that where taken before they had control as not their own. No one is ever held to account for the actions of the group. As they are currently constructed under law they need to go. I am all for local organisations that do good works, we just need to use accountable legal structures. Worker owned cooperatives are a why more democratic, and accountable, each person involved gets an equal share of the profits and the loses.

The current corporate system is a broken one and needs to be replaced. We can create much better systems than that.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Ok, point taken.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I can't argue with that, as it is true.

But this vote is happening tomorrow and you can place your voice/vote on a petition NOW. That will be presented tomorrow.

Take and use every opportunity to act.

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

I know how MY government will act. It would be disrespectful to submit something to YOUR governmnt as if I was a US citizen. You are our neighbours, and best friends; but is not MY business to tell you how to act in your nation anymore than it is my business to tell neighbour how she should act on the other side of this divinding wall.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The point of this seemingly out of place comment would be? What exactly?

-] 1 points by dfgraham (0) 0 minutes ago

I know how MY government will act. It would be disrespectful to submit something to YOUR governmnt as if I was a US citizen. You are our neighbours, and best friends; but is not MY business to tell you how to act in your nation anymore than it is my business to tell neighbour how she should act on the other side of this divinding wall. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

Alberta will vote to send you the oil even if the conservatives run a squash wearing an eye patch as a candidate. :-p We are the Texas of Canada.

See other comment. I am a pragmatist. At the margin blocking this pipeline will only move jobs here, and won't change the world enviroment as whole.

Basically, please, as your friend to the north; give us a reason to do business with our US neighbours instead of China.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I have no problem with you refining it there and selling it from there. Don't want it or need it piped across the USA.

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

Right so then we agree eh? Schooner toast to the longest undefended boarder in the world? cheers

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

May it remain that way.

Your country and mine should push for hydrogen fuel power Base Development. Perhaps working together. That I would support.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

This issue shows the need for the "One Subject At A Time Act". This XL thing is a rider on a highway bill.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Fuck the pipeline. Do you know what would create even more jobs on a permanent basis? Truckers and ships.

My congressman in Nebraska, Lee Terry, is a bigot that works for his lobbyist buddies. Recently one of those "safe" pipelines leaked over 150,000 gallons of dirty oil all over the place in my state, and 2 weeks later he's pushing to have another one built. And after people protested to the point we got it moved from it's original location which was over the ogallala aquifer, he's still at it.

That pipeline needs to make like a circle and go 'round.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They all need to go away. Lets make them obsolete or get them banned, refine on site or not at all to start with. Push for a clean fuel base. Like Hydrogen.

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

/reality check

Do as you will. Under the Canadian constitution, provinces own the resources. Whether we sell it to the US or China it will be sold. In fact I would love if we refined it ourselves, and then sold it at a much higher mark up. Thanks for the truely free health care!

(For the record I'd much rather send you the uranium we in Alberta also have; and take it back and burry it also at a profit in 3 billion year old Canada shield rock.)

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Please do refine it your self. Start your own grassroots movement to do it. We here would all support your effort.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Come On!!! Really???

I don't care if you believe that they don't do any good. Have any definitive proof for that belief?

What does it cost you to voice your vote. A moment in time. Can you afford it?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Scream and Shout!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Make the corrupt kick and scream.

Add your voice/vote and really give them something to cry about.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Carpe diem

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Pluck the day, trusting as little as possible in the future - correct.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Carpe diem - seize the day

Continuation: quam minimum credula postero - Pluck the day, trusting as little as possible in the future.

The whole declaration is rarely used:

Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Don't let time slip away.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Stomp on Keystone. Act now. Petition is above - main post body.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi DKA, We made many contacts today. Hopefully it goes viral.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That is my hope. Thanks for joining in in spreading the word. If we can't get our media to cover things I guess we have to try to do what we can ourselves. I really appreciate your taking part.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also: Do you support raising the taxes of the super wealthy?Make the corrupt kick and scream.

Add your voice/vote and really give them something to cry about.

Then add your name and show your support: http://dccc.org/budgete

Help Millionaires and Billionaires to contribute a fair share to the health of the country. Then don't forget to protect against oil/tar sands.

The Sierra Club also asks your help to stop Keystone XL:

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=BmC1JETD-zpXGmGilBhYUg

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Keystone 24hr. response: 780,000

Dear Dan,

Wow. In just 24 hours, more than 160,000 CREDO Activists signed the petition telling the Senate not to force approval of Keystone XL.

In all, 780,000 people from groups like 350, MoveOn, the League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club and dozens of others signed the petition.

They were just delivered to the Senate this afternoon. I thought you'd enjoy 350's photos of the delivery. (Keep in mind, eight of those boxes were full of signatures of CREDO Activists — and one of them had yours.)

http://act.credoaction.com/r/?r=5533346&id=35051-4904244-MuztcYx&t=1

Meanwhile, Senator Hoeven yesterday formally introduced his amendment to the transportation bill. We're waiting for information on when it will come up for a vote, but as soon as we know the best way you can help stop it, we'll let you know.

Thanks for helping to build such an amazing show of grassroots opposition to Keystone XL.

Elijah Zarlin, Campaign Manager CREDO Action

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

For the record, I am not denying global warming, or saying we don't need to respect the planet. I'm just a pragmatist. At the margin cancelling the pipeline changes nothing eviromentally. I've done the reasearch, and I truely think nuclear (plus birth control) is the near term answer. And yes, build the damned things is my back yard, and yes, we'll deal with the waste. Even assuming we make a thousand square miles unliveable we have several million more of wilderness.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 2 years ago

Hi dfgrahm, Thank you for mentioning birth control. Best Regards, Nevada

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I don't think that the 99% of your countrymen would agree with that comment. I understand the Canadian people are quite upset over pollution problems at home.

[-] 1 points by dfgraham (8) 2 years ago

True, in Toronto. Outside our biggest city, and native groups (who we need to do more for), we can breath freash air. Look up how big the Boreal forrest is. Look up how we have one of the biggest rain forrest systems in the world. Look up how big our national parks are. Half the problems in the one place we have pollution problems is acid rain half made in the US.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

All the more reason to get off of fossil fuel.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Also: Do you support raising the taxes of the super wealthy?Make the corrupt kick and scream.

Add your voice/vote and really give them something to cry about.

Then add your name and show your support: http://dccc.org/budgete

Help Millionaires and Billionaires to contribute a fair share to the health of the country. Then don't forget to protect against oil/tar sands.

The Sierra Club also asks your help to stop Keystone XL:

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=BmC1JETD-zpXGmGilBhYUg

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The Sierra Club also asks your help to stop Keystone XL:

http://action.sierraclub.org/site/R?i=BmC1JETD-zpXGmGilBhYUg