Forum Post: Where does the movement go?
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 7:22 p.m. EST by newawareness4719
from Yucaipa, CA
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One core issue: As wealth becomes increasingly concentrated in the hands of the few, who have generally ensured that they pay minimal tax, at the expense of the increasingly poorer majority, who increasingly need social services to survive, the tax base continuously erodes, thus jeopardizing the social programs needed by the majority. The wealthy resist paying more tax and focus the debate on attacking social programs and those who need them. So teachers and unions come under attack, as do the jobless; as does Medicare, and Social Security, and pensions. I think this is one unifying feature of the new protest and why it has diverse appeal. The Republican response is to call the protesters “dangerous mobs” and say they are instigating class warfare. Unfortunately, the Republicans and the wealthy have been waging class warfare for decades, and they’re winning. The question is how far those who, whether they know it or not, are losing the war, can be pushed before they really do fight back.
I think the movement at present is diffuse and maybe unfocused to some degree largely because it is in the stage of creating awareness and awakening. I don’t think there is a strategy for where it goes next or what it’s program will be. Personally, I don’t think it can succeed in the political arena. The two party system, effectively manipulated and controlled by the plutocracy, is too entrenched. If the protest movement can’t succeed through the political process, what are the alternatives? One approach that should get some consideration is what I would call “The Network”, and by which I mean a decentralized, widespread, locally-focused movement. Because I don’t think we can change Washington, or Wall Street, I think the ultimate focus may need to be in local communities, where we live, spend our time, can organize at a grass-roots level, and can take local action. At the same time through social networking sites, there can be nationwide, even global, coordination, idea-sharing, and organizing. What kinds of things could be done at the local level? Examples could include:
• Monitoring (and participating in) local government to make sure its decisions do not support the plutocracy at the expense of the 99%. • Urging local boycotts and or demonstrations in front of local branches of banks, including disseminating educational flyers about the abusive nature of credit cards (another scheme to transfer wealth), the refusal of banks to adjust mortgages to help people avoid foreclosure, etc. • Urging boycotts of and disseminating educational flyers about corporations that engage in poor environmental or labor practices, etc. • Organizing teach-ins on campuses to further awareness-building and awakening. • Support local food banks, etc.; and expand local ways to help those in need. • Basically, all actions – and there are many more others will think of – that start to leave the current social/economic/political paradigm behind as broken and irrelevant, and start to replace it with a new model, a new way of being in society.
no boycotts. it seems that you haven;'t bothered to read the dozens of threads where the idea of boycotting was rejected.
i do think it can and must succeed in the political arena. we need a new party and we need to replace and remove every last democrat and republican. yes this is quite feasible esp if we have an information revolution. no thats not happening yet, and pathetically, almost two weeks later we still don't have sub forums or a wiki on this site so the admin leadership there is actually the true core organizational problem. As soon as we get sub forums and a wiki it should become apparent very quickly that it is entirely possible to build a coalition and take every last office in America. The big question increasingly is ; is the reason why we don't have a forum and a wiki because the admin and etc are trying to limit and control things? whats their take on that? why is everything moving so slowly? thats the real question to ask and the real meat of the issue.
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.