Forum Post: what steps need to be taken?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 28, 2011, 10:09 p.m. EST by Outsider89
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so the movement wants change, but how? what steps need to be taken to achieve the movements goals? how can you be unified if not everyone is asking for the same thing?
I only ask because I've been assigned to write a paper on the occupy movement and i'm not sure what it is you all are asking for? a redistribution of wealth? ok, how?
what are the goals of occupy?
There is an editorial on OpEdNews.com that has some ideas on this. It's called something like Crackdown signals new beginning, not the end.
how can you expect to be taken seriously when your counterparts are dancing around, doing drugs, lighting things on fire, and causing mayhem? none of that makes people want to take this stuff seriously. it's said everywhere that occupy is unified, but no one can agree on what they want.
you can't keep asking for things and demanding things if you aren't willing to make sacrifices. a long list of demands isn't going to do anyone any good. you need solutions. if you see a problem, give a solution. no one is going to sit around, especially not congress), and go through a long list of demands.
I'm sorry but I have a hard time seeing this as anything other than a bunch of people that have nothing better to do. its difficult to see otherwise when all you see are the "hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers". I've seen very little to convince me otherwise.
The whole idea is that the 99% is that it's not made up of one "type" of person -- obviuously. There are good people in the Occupy Movement, but there are also bad ones. They may not fit our idea of what they should be, but then they are still part of this country and still part of the 99%. I don't have to like what they do, but, as long as they do not break the law or endager others, I accept them as being just as much a member of this movement as myself.
but there are occupiers that are breaking laws. that aren't peaceful. that are endangering others.
I guess that's why I dont understand this movement. I consider drug use, assault, and vandalism breaking the law. And I'm not making assumptions about you personally, but i've been around a few different camps and that's all i've seen.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/
you will notice very few posts that have it together-and, as you notice in your thread here-plenty of idiotic hasbarats paid by the word to fill it up w trash. Good luck figuring it out.
ok, so why do you personally support the movement? what do you want to see change? And how willl you go about making a difference? Do you believe that these camps, and marches are doing anything? In the long run do you really think they'll make that much of a difference?
In short, the OWS and other movements are comprised of people with grievances across the spectrum. The movement, as it's known, was spawned by George Soros' O.S.I.-an organization that funnels $ through over 1000 NGOs worldwide-under the auspices of spreading democracy. What his disruption really accomplishes can be seen directly-he topples govebnments and dictators from within and for the benefit of the 1%. Soros is the point man provocateur working directly for the huge international Rothchild bank cartel that controls every central bank on earth except 3 (Iran, North Korea, Cuba).
Soros has been doing this for decades-look up his osi involvement with the Bosnian revolution-note same clenched fist logo. Google that.
So there's the instigator who cleverly tapped into the rising tide of social discontent-legitimate grievances re, corruption.
But it all stems from the bankster cartels, their fiat money. MARX or Lenin said-the best way to defeat the opposition is to lead it. This is classic example. OWS site is operated by soros-why the site is so disfunctional-parallel processing is encourAged rather than converging on the actual problems and building solutions.
I participate to out the corruption within the movement. Keep it peaceful-keep the issues that are important moving to the forefront.
It's a mixed bag. Read our forum thread for the full dish
I support the occupy movement. Camping is a tactic-has limited effect. Must transcend the current format. Stay tuned
We have a large number of great, well thought out, COMPLICATED ideas that will require a huge amount of "selling" and “explanation" and will garner GREAT OPPOSITION.
Every one of our goals can only be achieved by cutting the incestuous link between washington and money - we MUST start here:
..................................ACTION
We need to be realistic & pick an issue that is simple – and that is proven popular -
that 83% of Americans already agree on -
That even 56% of TP already agree on -
that will bring together the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS.
Everybody wins!
Our only immediate goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decision Citizens United (2010) , that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons &
have no personhood rights”
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into a success -
WHY CAN'T WE ??????????
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people” and “money is not free speech”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.
5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one MAJORITY task.
Join the Restore Democracy Working Group at
............. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYCRDWG
Plan details with supporting documentation at: http://bit.ly/vK2pGI ...
oh yeah. sounds just right. is that how you solve all your problems?
here's the plan:
so whattaya think? can't lose, right?
The 1st Amendment right to peaceably assemble is immediately followed by the 1st Amendment right to "petition the government for a redress of grievances." Here is a document called The 99% Declaration which puts the suggested list in a framework or structure. What the 99% "want" is to have this list dealt with or heed our resolve if the government fails to do so. Study it carefully, wiki Suffolk Resolves for some historical context, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/