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Forum Post: What Does Zero Dark Thirty Say About America?

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 13, 2013, 5:09 p.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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We are all going to hell if there is one.

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[-] 3 points by Justoneof99 (80) 1 year ago

It is just a movie. Now, on to real life...

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

it is hardly just a movie.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"The CIA and Other Government Agencies Dominate Movies and Television" http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/the-cia-and-other-government-agencies-dominate-hollywood-movies-and-television.html

"Homeland won best TV series, best TV actor and actress. It IS a highly entertaining show which actually portrays some of the flaws of the MIIC system

Argo won best movie and best director. It glorifies the CIA and Ben Affleck spoke with the highest praise for the CIA.

And best actress went to Jessica Chastain of Zero Dark Thirty, a movie that has been vilified for propagandizing the use of torture."

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i never said it did not make for good drama.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Im not even going to touch this one :)

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

please indulge us.

[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Why comment on what is a NOVEL - not history

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

The first time I ran into the idea of a novel being presented as history, was in regard to the Watergate scandal. There are very convincing arguments that aside from the physical break-in that the rest of the narrative never happened., no Deep Throat, no late night meetings in garages, etc. Under this theory the novel/history was an intel takedown of Nixon, who had wandered off the reservation (published by the Washington Post (Google "Washington Post" & "CIA's favorite newspaper"). I dunno. . .

I do know that this whole OBL story is bullshit, Recently they just let out that no seaman witnessed his burial at sea. Of course not, he's been dead since December 2001.

From http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-is-everyones-thoughts-on-the-bin-laden-pictur/#comment-650559 :

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1752) from Brooklyn, NY 10 months ago

Where was his dialysis machine? That old man sitting down watching television was supposed to be him? Why did they only show a side picture of him alive? What about his millions, the facilities were quite modest?

Then that video of that chap with a short dyed beard?? That was him? That's funny, he didn't look like the other OBL's in the other videos. Of course none of them looked alike either.

They had to keep the short, fat one with the squashed nose taking credit for 9/11 sitting down - otherwise, the fraud would have been too obvious.

Sorry, the numerous sources were correct, OBL died of natural causes in December 2001. Don't fall for propaganda. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5680) 10 months ago

Gotta any credible sources to link? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1752) from Brooklyn, NY 10 months ago

Report: Bin Laden Already Dead: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/

Did bin Laden die again?: http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.php

From Paul Craig Roberts:

Osama bin Laden's Second Death: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2011/05/02/osama-bin-ladens-second-death/

Creating the bin Laden Reality: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2011/05/13/creating-the-bin-laden-reality/

How Many SEALs Died?: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2011/05/17/how-many-seals-died/ ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

"THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE ABSURDITIES CAN MAKE YOU COMMIT ATROCITIES" - Votaire (or close thereto), http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26816.html .

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why would Pres Obama pretend to kill bin laden if he was already dead?

I also heard Bin Laden was dead years before Pres Obama became Pres.

Why would Bush NOT take credit for Bin Ladens death?

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Obama is only a front man.

OBL was much more useful to Bush "alive", they could haul out actors whenever they wanted to support "anti-terrorism" positions.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But then why did Pres Obamas go through the charade of "killing" Bin Laden. Why not maintain the usefulness Bin Laden provided?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So if your suggesting Bin ladens usefulness/value was as the most potent tool for Bush/neocons fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda which they used to create support amongst the American people for endless war, and rights violations.?

If that is what you are suggesting I could agree. And I wouldn't put it past them to keep Bin Ladins death secret.

But then why did Pres Obamas go through the charade of "killing" Bin Laden. Why not maintain the usefulness Bin Laden provided?

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Who knows? Maybe they felt they needed to bolster his "Great-Leaderness" before the election. Every story has a beginning, middle and end.

I believe there are, right now, social engineers and psy-oppers hard at work figuring out the next moves.

Huxley:
"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to coerced, because they love their servitude. . . . The most important Manhattan Projects of the future will be vast government-sponsored enquiries into what the politicians and the participating scientists will call "the problem of happiness"--in other words, the problem of making people love their servitude." http://www.mrtom.com/quotes/huxley_essay.htm

I believe we live in that era.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I believe that Occupy is waking people up from that "love of their servitude".

But getting back to Bin Laden.

Isn't it true that Pres Obama has been repeatedly attacked by the neocons for saying repeatedly that Al Qeada has been decimated, for ending Iraq, Afghan wars, for not using Libya as a new reason to escalate and continue the endless 'war on terror", and for not invading Iran & Syria, and for nominating the anti endless war Hagel?

And doesn't eliminating Bin Laden (with the fake death) make it easier for Pres Obama to declare the 'war on terror" over? We can't declare the 'war on terror' over if Bin Laden is still alive right?

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

IF you're suggesting that Obama is working behind the scenes, all the while planning multiple moves ahead, to end the fraudulent war on terror AND if that comes true, THEN I'll buy you dinner at your favorite restaurant. We'll see.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I suppose I can't state that is what is happening. Certainly that is what I want. End the 'war on terror'. Stop the drone strikes, Repeal the rights violations.

And I know we can't really do that unless we end the neocon fear mongering propaganda, (pres Obama has been criticized for never using the 'war on terror' terminology), & declaring the 'war on terror' over.

I suppose I'm saying we must protest Pres Obama & all pols to do just that.

Declare that neocon endless 'war on terror' over.

No dinner necessary but a celebratory drink would be enjoyable.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

you are an idiot.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Paid much?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

not really.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That the producers and their funder's want to stir up more anger - righteous anger at foreign countries to bolster the desire to continue the wars of resource aggression?

[-] 3 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

It is clear that it is us that are in fact osama bin laden.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is clear to any with eye's that can see - that - there is a whole lot of shock doctrine goin on. Enthusiastically supported/funded by some very large corpoRATions.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

what shock doctrine are you referring to???

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ever see the documentary? If not. You should. Shows the machinations and players in the game - kind of like Inside Job does for the ( shock ) umm Economic meltdown.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

wtf does this have to do with torture, indefinite detention, and extra judicial killings.

[-] 4 points by gsw (2740) 1 year ago

In Argentina US CIA cheered coup of socialist democrat elected government by fascist dictator, who disappeared and tortured many. US liked dictator who could increase private profits, and use of shock and awe, placing fear in people, to get past unions, better wages and condition. The government-military used torture as a weapon to disorient the populace, so they could implement conservative, neocon policies of Milton Friedman, and privatize all sectors of the economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iW1SHPgUAQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It ties in also as the terrorist is possibly loosely defined, many can be picked up or eliminated, and we are culpable, as citizens letting war on terror drive future for all down a poor road, that will not generate good will, which we need. It is like the thousands of citizens killed in Iraq aNd Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. View the movie and link is clearly laid out.

There it is above all Americans should know this.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

america has lost it's way. sad fucking thing. like a babe in the woods.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Mislead into the darkness is closer, but lost never the less.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2740) 1 year ago

Look into this. Here is hope.

There are still villages and communities where the people are united. I do see it more in "3rd world", where ther is not so much money, and people have to rely on each other and maintain real relationships.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Greed, Control and Manipulation. You can't see that?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

I just don't see the direct tie in I guess.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

... The war on Afghanistan is part of a profit driven agenda: a war of economic conquest and plunder, ”a resource war”.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - lets not forget Iran - Pakistan - Various countries in Africa - Syria - South America ................................................

The war on Afghanistan is part of a profit driven agenda: a war of economic conquest and plunder, ”a resource war”

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

All war is "for profit", if some poor taxpayer, somewhere else, foots the bill and you receive access to the wealth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering

http://247wallst.com/2012/02/28/ten-companies-profiting-most-from-war/

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who receives access to the wealth? The only thing regular people get access to is mainly free government funerals and burials - oh and some health care for traumatic/catastrophic injuries.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

The war profiteer receives the wealth. The corrupt "interim government" receives the wealth. The Bankers that financed the war receive the wealth. Others...?

The regular people get access to the right to fight so that others can receive wealth. They get that, in addition to the perks you have identified.

[-] 1 points by TheStarvingCrusader (25) from Killingly, CT 1 year ago

Why?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

that Americans still believe the hero is always the man with a gun.

Even if half of them say they want to regulate or even ban guns, the majority of both halves still view violence and war as a solution to violence and war.

"Instead of spending billions on the war, I can use that money, to feed the poor. I know some so poor, when it rains that's when they shower, when screaming "fight the power"."

[-] 2 points by DouglasAdams (208) 1 year ago

I agree but it is trillions not bilions

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

true that. It is many trillions. I was just quoting a song by Wyclef Jean from his great song "If I was President"

[-] 0 points by DouglasAdams (208) 1 year ago

ZERO Dark Thirty says Americans could be the most gullible society in the developed world -

911 Education

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY&list=PLf5qT0tQoem00hpvMBFsr0-kRHYC9GMpG

[-] 0 points by dflib (-11) 1 year ago

It says Obama hates muslims....that's why he drone bombs them, and murders them without trial. Be proud of the mass murderer. You elected him

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

but i thought he was a muslim.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

You haven;t noticed that Muslims are slaughtering each other on the desert sands?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

can the world ever really move forward with all these crazy religious zealots?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You mean evolution denying, anti choice, anti LGBT, right wing, tea party extremist religious fundamental cases?

[-] -1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

yes how do we deal with 40% of america being as dumb and ignorant as a taliban fighter in a cave.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We must identify the "dumb & ignorant". ridicule them & their causes, isolate, humiliate in the public square, defeat them at the ballot.

They always return, but we will defeat them because their numbers ARE shrinking.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

We must identify the "dumb & ignorant". ridicule them & their causes, isolate, humiliate in the public square, defeat them at the ballot.

Straight out of the Obama/Alinsky playbiook. No need to have a reasonable discussion or a debate on the merits of ideas or issues like a grown up. Just appeal to the baser instincts of man and ATTACK. pathetic.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They just can't seem to make up their minds.

Or perhaps they just can't spit out the word they want to use.

[-] -1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

conservative hatred of obama goes back to one thing the color or his skin. he is a democrat in name only. obamacare is to the right of nixon's healthcare plan.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I know, but the Country is skewed so far to the "right", he almost seems not to be.

The same was true of Clinton, they didn't like him, but they didn't hate him like they do Obama.

I don't really like him either, but he isn't what they say he is.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i don't like him cause he is like them.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

At this point you're not going to get someone into high office that isn't.

Fight the corruption at the State level first.

The States are so corrupted now, that that's all there is to send into the federal government.

Clean up the States and the Feds will follow.

It's how ALEC got us to this point.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

We are proud of our forces for taking out the bad guys?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

Who are the bad guys?

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Terrorists, of any ilk, who harm Americans, or who are conspiring to harm Americans

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

What is a terrorist?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A wallstreet executive?

A Koch Brother?

Dick Cheney?

A Mega-monster Bank?

An Insurance executive?

A health care provider executive?

ummm let see........who else.....ummm.... well you get the idea.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

no those are just pieces of shit to be wiped off the bottom of your shoe. unfortunately we are all terrorists. we share a load of the blame like it or not. after all we are still in the system. sometimes i am ashamed that i don't live in the woods in a shack eating squirrel .

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That would be retreat. You seem more like a fighter, which is what we need.

ALL our problems are the result of WE the PEOPLE retreating into the "woods" of our esxcapist, consumerist, fear induced anesthesia.

If the people ain't woken up to join us in the fight, all is lost and no "shack in the woods" will protect you.

There is NO escape in either scenario.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

good luck with waking people up zero chance of conservatives changing their stripes. that requires rejecting their entire world view. not happening.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We only need to convince enough non voters, enough independents, & some moderate repubs to vote their own interests & replace pro 1% conservatives (of both parties) w/ pro 99% progressives.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

lol, yeah good luck with that.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thanks. And good luck to you in all your good efforts.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

Very philosophical. Yes, I do get where you are going with this. I will put it rather simplistically, Osama bin Laden played a huge part in 9/11. We found him. We killed him. We are a super power. And we are the ones who were attacked. So, instead of turning Kandahar or Islamabad into Dresden, which we, as a superpower, can do with ease, we put our troops and agents at risk do try to make a surgical strike to minimize civilian casualties.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 1 year ago

Dresden? ...So, instead of turning Kandahar or Islamabad into Baghdad,...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

No, I am afraid you missed the whole point unfortunately.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It says that for a short time in the mid 2000's we allowed extremist neocons to engage in useless torture the we have since denounced and discontinued.

So yeah we would be goin to hell but there ain't none.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

if that were only true. however, obama has continued the enhanced interrogations.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

obama has continued the enhanced interrogations.
And your proof of this is?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I haven't seen or heard of that. but I wouldn't be surprised if we are doing so through the cooperation of other countries intelligence services.

We've been training others for decades to provide torture for us.

In any event WE the people are guilty. And we must atone.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'll read them, but the truth is I assume either we do it or we have a surrogate do it for us.

It's an old story, and unless WE protest against all pols in large numbers it will not end.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

it won't end there is no stopping this train now.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Can't give up. Gotta get in the street and protest!

It's the only way to be sure"

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Protest must be comprehensive to process.

If it is not, then it goes nowhere.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Protest usually starts small and grows as the righteousness is appreciated.

So I agree it must be comprehensive to succeed but it must be nurtured and allowed to grow.

Can't give up. Gotta get in the street and protest!

"It's the only way to be sure"

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Escalation is why it grows, but "going somewhere" only happens if there is a cognizance legal process comprehensive to to purpose of protest. Like legal process.