Forum Post: WE're NOT Gonna TaKe iT
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 11, 2011, 12:41 a.m. EST by notforsale
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First we take the land from the Indians then we enslave black people and now we want to have the entire 99% enslaved. NO!! That sh*t is over!!! What do you think?
That's what I think
Post 1, you suggest ripping out tongues-stupid, violent, and will get you thrown in jail
Post 2. you suggest ripping off lending companies- fraud will get you put in jail. Or they will sue and lien you down to nothing
Post 3. You want to 1) deny subway seat to these people(who don't take the subway, and if they did, then wouldn't they not be part of your "1%" 2) want workers to tell you info they aren't(in some cases by law) allowed to tell you so you can mess with shipments. This is not cost effective for people who have no money('cause if you have a boat, you must be rich, right). Then you start calling them "targets". So you're gonna kill "innocents"?? The dock workers will be fired(maybe arrested), and you will be arrested and possibly killed, depending on what the mentality would be of the people on said boat. 3) nobody gives a shit if you frown at them You will not break anyone's will by any means. If anything you will make them arm up, restrict their workers rights while on the jobs, and just make shit harder for the people who are just trying to make a living. See how easy it is to compress those three pages??
ok, so you don't believe there is any value in hyperbole. That's fine. I thought the way the first piece ended it should have been clear but anyway - whatever.
Seats on a subway? Well, I dunno. I'm sure some of the upper echelon from wall street take the subway - there is no other way for mass transportation of workers in and out of Manhattan - but whatever - I can see your concern about not targeting the 99 - I get that, I wasn't advocating that.
the transportation of goods - it's called shipping, it doens't necessarily involve ships. Sometimes trucks are used. Do you know what trucks are?
Do you know what the teamsters are?
I didn't mention this part in the piece - but they might be more than happy to cooperate with such a plan - eager even. that possibility does give me a bit of pause. But never mind.
Also I did repeatedly state that lawful behavior was desirable . . . didn't I say that? I think I said that - something like that.
I've repeatedly said:
So I dunno.
Maybe you aren't a radical.
Or maybe you don't really support the movement at all.
Then again, maybe you just don't like me or my ideas. I am a bit radical - I admit it. Whatever.
You are welcome to your opinion.
The fact remains, that if we are going to change the way in which business is conducted in this country, if we are going to change the economic theory that underlies the current economic collapse, we're gonna have to break shit.*
We can do that - and we can stay within the law doing it.
If we don't do that, we won't get the changes the country so desperately needs.
Alright I'll go point by point
The workers you talk about aren't the rich people you hate. Even the "99%" can take surface streets. There's a reason there are a lot of cars, bikes, and such on the street. Not to mention the ones who really don't wanna deal with all of that take to the skys.
Transport of goods- I'll give you that I slightly misunderstood. In either case, 20's-30's mob tactics won't work.Going after trucks won't work like it does in the movies. Yes I do know many Teamsters. My father was one. They will not help you. Their jobs, benefits, and other perks are not worth your petty bullshit. Not to mention trucks these days are watched so carefully, you might as well have your boss following you. They can have the cops on the way before you even get the thing off the road(grand larceny, anyone??), and even still,they will know the exact location and how many people are in the cab.Not to mention, you supposed Teamster(seriously, do you have any idea what these people are about??) buddy will lose just about everything. After all, he leaked info that resulted in the theft of thousands of dollars worth of product(hey hey, conspiracy!!). None of your suggestions are lawful in any respect.
My friends find me quite radical. A sort of geeky je ne sais quoi. I do like breaking shit. Just not other peoples(that whole damn law breaking thing again) You can have your ideas. I have mine and other people have other ideas. This is why there are rich people, criminals, basement scientists, real scientists, etc.
It's funny, you don't bring up your statement about cutting out people's tongues or ripping off lenders(that's what got the banks in trouble to begin with by the way)
Then you flip-flop and say your all about doing things legally. If you wanna do it legally, do it from the inside out. Become mayor, and work your way up in office. That will make change. If you stay withing your state's borders, you can make real change.
On the issue of trucks - I never said we should steal either the truck or it's contents.
I said we could interdict them. Delay them.
There are legal means of doing so.
The credit card plot - we don't have to max out the one million individual lines of credit , cut the cards, send them in with a note: you've been occupied - just present that possibility. Demonstrate that possibility by acting in a single direction - by moving one to ten million dollars in a single direction, like, donations to the red cross or something.
That gives them a heads up - done right, we can signal to their investors and creditors - we can do this, and we can break them anytime we choose.
What I've suggested is, I believe, entirely legal.
As far as ripping out tongues -
do you know what hyperbole is? how does that piece end?
I believe it's something like :
Let them contemplate a life lived tongueless -
note the last four sylables -
la la tong la
lalala - it's clearly a signal, one you obviously miss, I'll not delve further on such silly linguistic devices
I have others
1 the trucks. What legal means do you know of to delay them?? For any long amount of time?? Buying lots of stuff at the Mom and Pop by the Walmart will do nothing. Using the term "targets" and seeking out their "shipping routes" by means of the people who work for these companies is some shady wording. You can't legally disrupt an entire chain. either.
2 the cards. Millions already owe the card companies something. You can't just run up credit and not pay it back. After this whole "movement" has run it course, those who don't pay that money back will be responsible(something very lacking with a lot of people here) for it. Cutting the cards and sending them in will most likely relieve them as you can't run more credit. Not to mention if you have a debit card, ever notice that little logo on the bottom right??
3 the tongue thing: Let them then contemplate carefully a life lived tongueless. Who can say that they might not be driven mad by the din of our voices raised up in rage and the contemplation of all that they fear.
Do we have consensus on the proposal before the committee? Can we have a temperature check with a showing of jazz hands?
You begin by saying:Would all those who believe corporations have some inherent right to free speech raise their hands?
To you, with hands raised: I suggest we rip out your tongues. Rip them out! And not with some well honed blade - oh no not at all.
But with a pair of pliers and a good, stiff yank!!-Where's the hyperbole in that?? Some people could take such things seriously.
You're right, the corporations don't have free speech. The people in them do. They make the decisions, not the building. And yes a tongue is needed to speak. Your ideas make no sense, as like most of the ideas I've read here only hurt the people who are farther down the chain. In most cases, much farther.
You aren't using linguistic devices(I'll let you slide on the tongue post in this case, even though it's still off), you are making suggestions that will hurt those you and your people claim to protect.
We've already been hurt, we will continue to be hurt, that's the way it is.
The only question is: What are we going to do about it?
As far as a good stiff yank it was rage, highly articulate and utterly insane - so much so that it turns into humor - some folks got that. You didn't. Fine.
I think you should actually put things in your own words instead of link bombing like you do for most of your postings
um, actually
those are my own words
quite apparently you don't care for what I have to say -
which is too bad, because what I've suggested with each of the three above posts could be very effective strategies.
effective at getting you killed or in jail... Go ahead. Please. They will be very effective in Nature Selecting your fate
so kill me. I've no more right to life than anyone else, so go ahead. I've been waiting for a while.
All I know is, I aint dead yet
and they can kiss my ass.
I never said I was gonna kill you. If you've been waiting, then why not take the plunge?? You know what they say: There is no defense against those ready to die. If your so hardcore, stir the pot and get this shit started
i'm stirrin just about has hard as i can motherfukcer
Then get out there, man!! Stop some trucks, cut out tongues that don't exist!! Get that ass in the news!! Peacefully bark your ass off!!
I was going to post my standard fuck you reply - but you've just given me another idea . . ..
but there were some old action ideas I had come up with years ago, never used, and you just reminded me of them
In instances where the judicial system has failed to meet the needs of the people, the people could attack the building in an entirely symbolic, and choreographed manner.
Work with the local pd, let them know there willl be an orderly procession, at the court house, where individuals will assemble in protest - that among the protesters will be those acting in symbolic civil disobedience by attacking the mortar of the building with wooden spoons, specifically with the intent of being arrested.
No damage need be done to the building, everyone so inclined can proceed in a line, and the city gets to spend money on the processing of every arrest.
It gets media attention. It's chaotic but orderly.
That's what I'm talking about. Seriously. You carry more weight going about things the right way, than what some of these camps are doing.
ah, I see.
Have you seen the news lately? A business student went on a shooting spree - well. spree is the wrong term. He killed a cop, and then himself. Hardly a spree.
They say he shaved his head in the week or two before his act.
I cannot prove the use of language had anything to do with it.
If it did, I can assure you, there was much more involved than the simple use of language.
Complex data accumulation and analysis is required to radicalize someone in a way that is both formless, traceless, and has multiple utility.
I oppose such behavior.
I have opposed such behavior for years.
There are no laws, apparently, that prevent such programs, or if there are, there are no methods where by anyone is ever held accountable - at least not publicly.
And there is no restitution.
There is only the denial of experience. The personal experience of the witness is not credible, and therefor easily denied.
so.
I'm not dead yet.
and I haven't shaved my head.
but I do have a bit of linguistic skill.
who can say but that a proper use of that skill, one that pushes boundaries, will not in some way have positive results?
the fuckers have invested in social instability
they will reap as they have sown
If you mean Ross Truett Ashley, he had nothing to do with anything. He stole a car, got caught, killed a cop and then himself-as he should have. He didn't go to VT either. Just some random asshole who was depressed that his girlfriend broke up with him and had "family issues"
I could show you how to make people just like him
There are lots of people like him. You just have to know where the trigger is. For some it's a girl, others money, some you can set off through talking them in circles. You don't make people(unless, like you personally made them with a woman), they already are who they are. Tipping the unstable can be freaky easy. Yet again, though these would not be ideal for supporting your cause in a positive manner
you should read more carefully
anyone may be turned into a symbol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3hZsXrxaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQqjTxI3vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/
http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
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Don't forget about the Chinese, Irish and Mexicans when you wanna lump slaves together. We are not slaves. Slaves get nothing. If you work for money, you're not a slave. There is always the chance of being promoted and making it, y'know
Tommy: Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year
If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork
Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must
Guests:
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
We're not gonna take it
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Never did and never will
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Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still
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your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.
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Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
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We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.
Tommy:
See me.
Feel me.
Touch me.
Heal me.
Listening to you,
I get the music.
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I get the heat.
Following you,
I climb the mountains.
I get excitement at your feet.
Right behind you,
I see the millions.
On you,
I see the glory.
From you,
I get opinions.
From you,
I get the story.
Listening to you,
I get the music.
Gazing at you,
I get the heat.
Following you,
I climb the mountains.
I get excitement at your feet.
Right behind you,
I see the millions.
On you,
I see the glory.
From you,
I get opinions.
From you,
I get the story.
Listening to you,
I get the music.
Gazing at you,
I get the heat.
Following you,
I climb the mountains.
I get excitement at your feet.
(FADE:)
Right behind you,
I see the millions.
On you,
I see the glory.
From you,
I get opinions.
From you,
I get the story.
We're not going to capitalize it right either...
Yep, you're right. They don't even want a leader, 'cause that's to close to what this mythical 1% does.
No I meant capitalize as in grammar. The title was written by a third grader..
Gotcha. The mentality of the bulk does not get much past 4th or 5th