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Forum Post: Weird coincidence.? Video: 2 Mass Shootings Connected To Libor Scandal?

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 17, 2012, 11:50 p.m. EST by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD
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Weird coincidence?

Video: 2 Mass Shootings Connected To Libor Scandal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gui-VRT_YZo#!

The father of Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza, Peter Lanza, was the tax director for General Electric, a corporation that paid -0- taxes on 14.2 billion dollars in profits last year. According to Fabian4Liberty, Peter Lanza was scheduled to testify in the ongoing global LIBOR scandal. In what could only be described an amazing coincidence, the father of Colorado Batman shooter James Holmes, Robert Holmes, was also a LIBOR witness in his position with FICO. According to the link at FICO, Robert Holmes was a ‘Fraud Scientist’.

From Fabain4Liberty:

The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a motive and a link. This coincidence is impossible to overlook. Two mass shootings connected to LIBOR.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19199683

http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/breaking-news-ct-school-shooter-killer-link-to-libor-scandal/

I don't know how true this is, I just found it, so do your own research and decide for yourself.

Cheers

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[-] 6 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

LIBOR should STILL be dominating the news.

Its 100% proof that the entire game is rigged.

Yes, occupiers and some others realize this. But this is detailed shit that should be hitting the mainstream.

[-] 4 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I agree. People don't focus on it because the MSM doesn't report on it. Huge scam!

[-] 5 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

ALERT, ALERT. Important false flag post shadow banned: http://occupywallst.org/forum/remember-operation-gladiothe-pentagon-through-nato/ .

From Toby the Op writer: "Its been shadow banned. What for? Its not conspiracy theory. Its proven fact. It outs the government with clear evidence how they kill their own to make the public cry out for political policy to protect them against crimes that their very own government perpetrated against them in the first place. Why would OWS want to conceal that fact? You'd think they would want this yelled loud and clear. What a joke."

Shame, shame.

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Hell, this whole form could have been created for the malcontents to gather and be easily monitored; and Toby just got too close to the truth and hit a nerve. Jus' sayin' ..................

But U R Right - There was no reason to shadow ban !

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

You are absolutely right, this site could have been created just for that reason. Look at DemocraticUnderground.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Why, what happened with them? CIA incognito or something?

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Nothing tied down (that I know of), but in the crowd of long-time DUers who migrated over to ProgressiveUnderground the feeling was that DU was run by enemies of DU, that Skinner (David Allen) was a neocon, and that it was run to channel dissent and provide an escape valve for liberal discontent.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Thanx for the info :) It's hard to know who to trust anymore.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Defense Budget, sixty-five years of inflation from the current defense budget. How did the American political system maneuver itself into such a destructive straitjacket?

Someone forwarded this link maybe you will read. I'm not really posting any more. http://www.challengemagazine.com/extra/054_069.pdf

[-] 3 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Perhaps influential in the form of anti-banking sentiment?

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

The anti-banking sentiment that exists today is because of the banks actions. I do agree though; if the banks are involved in this, child murder won't help their image.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

That's not my point; the point is the shooter may have been incited to violence as a result of his key placement in the issue, his father is an antagonist.

Very typical in law enforcement families, why would anyone not suspect such an adverse reaction in the children of the OWS-opposed banker?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Sorry, I totally misunderstood. I've considered what you're suggesting originally, but I think the answer is much more complex; especially if both shooters fathers were whistleblowers about to testify about the LIBOR scandal. What are the odds? If the shootings are related in this way; we'll have to rethink many things such as JFK, RFK, Martin Luther, Vietnam , recent wars, and also 9/11.

http://www.streamica.com/#v/UyS4HmTitUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qk6OOvgjYdY&bpctr=1355878624

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

U.S. gov found guilty in MLK assassination in a little known and under-reported trial by the MLK family in 1999. (6 min. video)

http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/martin_luther_king_jr_mlk_assassination_video

full court transcript...

http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers

Excellent website...

http://www.wanttoknow.info/

http://www.wanttoknow.info/truthvideos

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

WOW ..... Great, great (I can't say it enough), great post. Thanx Much !!

Everyone should see this !!

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

was going to reply with something intelegent, but .. all I can say is great videa from personalgrowthcourses. Will try to learn a bit more here.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

Ok, well...I'll forgive you this time. Lol!! No worries 'Ma', we're in no shortage of intelligent and informative posts from you! I don't know how you pull it off...and sometimes the info just speaks for itself...so, enjoy a well deserved break!

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Half way down the page it talks about testimony in court by an expert about how the US Media is controlled by the government.

http://www.thekingcenter.org/civil-case-king-family-versus-jowers

"...But Schaap took you painstakingly through that history down to the present time when he dealt with the way the media handled Martin Luther King, how they handled his opposition to the war in Vietnam, how he was attacked because of that opposition to the war..."

"...If you see the history of how national security cases are covered and this is one, you will be amazed that some of the most liberal columnists, writers, respected journalists, Pulitzer Prize winners, who have all the liberal credentials, when it comes to this kind of case, they all of a sudden are totally with the government because national security cases are a different ball game..."

Of course this is true today in how the National Media treat the Wars and the Invasion of Privacy of Citizens. They have become National Security issues. hands off.

Great Reading in the King family Versus Jowers. Thanks. Only half way through.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Hi Renneye, Thank you for info, and working to get the truth out.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

My pleasure, Nevada1. I only wish I had more time for more 'truth outing'. Lol!

Speaking of truth...I just read this post from 'Toby99' questioning why his thread about 'Operation Gladio' was shadow banned. I can't figure out why. Gladio is a proven fact. I'm stumped.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/remember-operation-gladiothe-pentagon-through-nato/#comment-897745

[-] 8 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Re. 'Operation Gladio', it is indeed "proven fact" and further to Nevada1's link, I append :

Daniele Ganser's now famous, "NATO's Secret Armies - Operation Gladio and Terrorism In Western Europe'" (first link = pdf of the whole book) is one of the best books on the subject. Thanx for raising this unknown matter & also my best wishes to you and yours for this solstice, xmas, new year and beyond.

pax et lux ...

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Very Stimulating. Thanks.

"..The secret armies, as the secondary sources now available suggest, were involved in a whole series of terrorist operations and human rights violations that they wrongly blamed on the Communists in order to discredit the left at the polls..." from your first astounding link.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Thanx 'Ma' and please see my links to Renneye below and also :

fiat lux ...

[-] 5 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

This points out how US controlled populations in Europe. For instance instead of facilitating a peacetime Europe and Peacetime activities ...NATO and the CIA were actually militarizing or ...grooming Right Wing elements ...going so far as to recruit former SS members from WWII into their network.

We all (in the USA) thought we were facilitating peace in Europe, but evidence seems to show we wanted to strengthen the right wing, prepare for war, and even ...facilitate covert actions against legitimate governments.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

Wow, just...Wow!!! I went to a random page within the interview in your second link (although that link has been changed since yesterday, and I sure do wish the interview would be added back to this list, hint hint!) and read this...

"The Field Manual 30-31B is a Pentagon document, so the Pentagon should comment—not the CIA. It was produced in 1970, during the Vietnam War, and signed by General Westmoreland. Field Manual 30-31B very much stipulates the idea that the whole globe is a war zone. What it said, is that some Western or pro-Western governments might not adequately stand up to the Communist threat. This document does not name countries, and does not specifically focus on Europe. In countries where the government is, so to speak, “asleep,” U.S. military intelligence must link up with up local military intelligence. The task at hand is to make the local government “wake up.” To that end, special units that secretly cooperate with the Pentagon can covertly stage terrorist attacks. These terrorist attacks, within a 'Strategy of Tension', would then be attributed—in a “false flag” mode—to the Communists. And, there are clear indications that this is what happened in at least some European countries. So, this Field Manual 30-31B seems like a blueprint for the “domestic control task”/Strategy of Tension, utilizing SB/Gladio structures."

When I have a little more time in early January, I will start reading the books on my rather long list. This one is the first that I will read. I cannot wait to get into this book!! Thanks Shadz!

There should be humanitarian/people's awards for the 'Daniele Gansers' of this world. They are true heroes for the painstaking work and the risk they take while bringing awareness to the people.

From my young Swedish life, I have fond memories of the Winter Solstice...and though these days the Solstice is much celebration...some of my favourite moments are the quiet ones spent in reflection. Though I'm not at all religious, and given the tender condition of the world and her people...I find myself praying to whatever universal energies may exist out there and within us all, & hope that the Winter Solstice sees the lightness win over the dark...and finally allows the consciousness of humanity to rise, so that we may all...Walk in Beauty & Live in Love.

I too, wish to express to you and yours, the very best throughout this unifying season, and indeed always.

God Jul Och Gott Nytt År.

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Daniele Ganser's book is really the definitive read on the matter of 'Operation Gladio' & it's implications still resonate today. You're right, I did replace my original link with the pdf. of a paper Ganser presented in the UK at Leeds University, shortly after writing his book & I re-append the original link and Ganser's own, very interesting website in English translation, as well as a recent article by 'PDS' :

Solstice has special significance in northern climes and on this the equal longest night with the shortest day betwixt the two, I wish you and yours, calm & contentment and health & happiness, for Yule, Solstice, New Year and also thereafter, in the hope that 'light wins over the dark', and I echo ...

God Jul Och Gott Nytt År.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Hi shadz, Good Links and Nice Post

[-] 6 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Good question. Have seen this happen before. Pressure from some source? Anyway, Gladio is out there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

Thanks kindly Nevada1. 'Operation Gladio' clearly needs telling. Not near enough people know about this one.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Interesting thing is, what seems to be an effort to suppress, has done the opposite.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (3922) 1 year ago

Ha ha! Yes, Nevada1, you're reading my mind. I had a good chuckle about that too. Between 'Toby99', myself and all you guys, 'Operation Gladio' had quite the light shone on it. Of course, what NATO did and does, is so despicable, that people just naturally gravitate towards truth.

[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Check page 32, Norway secret army, Anders Breivik, who killed all those children on Utoya Island ...he was acting just as the Right Wing Extremist of Gladio Acted to carry out Terror. But now think about the USA. We now live under a conservative government ... that became conservative as a result of a massive Terror Attack ... completely in agreement with the NATO Gladio Doctrine. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2006/12/358945.pdf

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You know I've been reading English Spy novels and wondering ... if American were as much control freaks ... or as much spy fetish or ...what would you say an international protectionsist espionage fetish...

Obviously we take after the English in terms of Fetishes and invoking national security over any and all things ...scientific ... historical ...anthropological ... things from space ...and anything that could be of advantage in war.

We (US) are control freaks over whistleblowers, history, JFK assisination, MLK assasination, FDR coup, 2008 Financial Crisis, LIBOR scandal, 9-11 commisson, WMD for going to Iraq war .... etc.

We don't even know our own history about Christopher Colombus, and the people that were here before Eurpean Exploiters.

MSM doesn't even tell you that US Arms and Weapon are used in 50% of the wars around the world. We don't know our history. Our history is all about Economic Success. We are the Business Country. We will sell you anything... might as well be dealing with the devil if you got money.

In fact we will let you "Owe Us for the Arms and Weapons as long as you are gonna work with us for a while.

[-] -2 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I don't buy the whistle blowers hypothesis but they are, in fact, employed in these positions. Anti-capitalist sentiment may have served to alienate them even more.

[-] 3 points by UFAAisTheWay (11) 1 year ago

I thought the father would be unearthed in this. Interesting.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Will be interesting to see if main stream media picks this up.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

If this proves true----Smoking H-Bomb

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

CAUTION, CAUTION. Please remember that at this point this is only speculation. In information warfare there is nothing that the other side likes better than leading truth seekers down blind alleys or towards "preferred" or self-impeaching conspiracies.

Trev sought actual evidence in the attached discussion. http://occupywallst.org/forum/both-mass-shootings-aurora-and-newton-connected-to/#comment-896298 His response: "There's not enough evidence to link anything. Keep us posted as details arise I guess." Exactly, file this one to the cubbyhole labeled Interesting-speculation-keep-in-mind-if-more-info-comes-in. Personally I suspect it's a diversionary tactic but I'm open minded about it.

At this point I recommend separating what's factual and what's speculation about the CT shooting. We need to document factual first reporting before the info/sites disappear.

At this point we know the shooter was found only with two handguns, that's why they reported the victims had been shot with them. It was only the medical examiner who recognized the wounds as being from a .223 caliber weapon -- THE BUSHMASTER THAT WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK. I call that absolute proof that Lanza was only a disposable patsy. http://occupywallst.org/forum/abc-nbc-reporting-223-round-used-in-shootingyou-kn/

Stick with the factual and what's explosive PR-wise.

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

I agreea with Nevada1 - Good Advice -

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Safe to say 'False Flag'?

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

False Flag? I've crossed that threshold, I believe so.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Good Advice

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I know what you mean. Can you imagine the implications. It's late tonight, but I'm going to dig further tomorrow for multiple sources.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Will also do some research. Lets visit again tomorrow.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (2161) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

One of the most interesting of the Troubled Loners is John Hinckley Jr.-the Hinckley and Bush families are connected thru the friendship between Neal Bush and John Hinckley's older brother.If the Masters of the Universe are actually somehow orchestrating these gun rampages,it would make sense for them to use damaged members of their own of their Servants families for the more important operations.Seems far out,but you can't put anything past The Masters of the Universe.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7065) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Sparky I would say you have stumbled onto a genetic line of Sociopaths rather than conspiracy, even so this is an important fact to consider.

There has been a few postings, (several mine not to go all FOX NEWS on people), about how sociopaths may do better in business, it's not hard to imagine a genetic connection, which makes letting these rich brats inherit the whole damn country an even more questionable decision. To me this is worse than if there was an actual conspiracy, not that I’m ruling either way.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Yeah FRF, I'm not stating that this is fact, but it would be a HUGE coincidence that both shooters' fathers were scheduled to testify before congress for the same reason. Out of all of the millions of citizens .................these two? It does make an eyebrow rise.

[-] 1 points by town (-374) 1 year ago

There are no coincidences.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (7065) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think the cops took down the guy in CO.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Off subject, I got a ham bone covered mostly in tin foil in a toster oven... I was wondering if I am goin to start a fire. Smells like there is a little contact burning going on... I'm just hopeing that the other ham in the tin foil tent gets aromatic.

But I'm afraid that I'll start a fire with the burners right on the tin foil.

What do you think. Sorry you don't have to answer.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (7065) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Has the fire started? Just wondering, if not then I'd say you're good.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (7065) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Did either of these guys actually testify yet?

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Good question. So far all I've heard is that both were scheduled to testify on Dec 16; I don't think that happened but I'm still looking. At this point they're covering tracks and more info could be hard to come by. I heard this morning that UBS was being fined 1.5 billion and they were busting individual traders but no executives. Once that is process is done with the other banks involved, the issue about LIBOR will be settled and will be forgotten about; swept under the rug.

Cheers

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7065) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

That's a cycle I saw in nuclear power all the time too, lay it on the "little" people and the organization is set up to do that and the top guys skate, cause their the ones that can give you a job when you've max out your government pension.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

It's all about accountability and two sets of rules, isn't it?

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Sandy Hook IN BATMAN movie!!!! Another reference to the Connecticut shooting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB-LtHycKGk&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3UvyKp-aPQ

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

WOW - Another coincidence? Someone had to have special knowledge in advance to pull this feat. Do you think it's really in the movie or could it be doctored? At this point, nothing would surprise me.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (2161) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

WARNING:Rabbit Hole Ahead*The Masters of the Universe are well known for their frisky,playful antics and the cute little clues they scatter about-LOL

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

You do have a point.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (2161) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

They do all of this stuff to promote chaos and confusion.They know they can't stop people from detecting discrepancies so they purposely cause them-Limited Hang Out.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

I think it is in the movie.

Among the interesting references to 9/11 that have been uncovered in media released before 9/11 is a passport for 'Neo' in blockbuster film The Matrix, released in 1999.

The passport-- in Neo's file-- shows an expiration date of '11 SEP 01,' seemingly now an eerie coincidence found in the smallest of details.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Well as trashyharry says correctly above "The Masters of the Universe are well known for their frisky,playful antics and the cute little clues they scatter about".

I see what you mean about Neo's passport:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbkPUfR56o

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

I can't find a single story that Holmes was going to testify in the Libor case, unless it also included a reference to the shootings. Sounds like pure BS.

Anybody have credible evidence?

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (2161) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

If it really is true you will soon be hearing of it from Max Keiser.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Story was definitely out in July.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Yes and the connection was made then, between Robert Holmes (the father of the Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes), and his whistle blowing testimony scheduled for Dec 16 in front of congress on the LIBOR scandal. Now we have another shooter who's father was supposed to testify on the same LIBOR scandal on the same day. Something's up here.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Agree. Shocking.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Evidence?

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

See my link below, dated July 30. This was posted and talked of on this site a day or so after Aurora.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

So where is the credible evidence?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

It may be BS .......... I don't know. What I'm looking for is a report that Holmes was going to testify in the Libor case, that's dated before this last shooting. I'm busy today, but I intend to dig farther. Cheers

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Thanx for the link Nevada. It appears that this story may have legs and that both fathers of the shooters were whistleblowers, and were scheduled to testify to congress on Dec 16.

The James Holmes Conspiracy (2012 Full Documentary) Published Aug 15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qk6OOvgjYdY&bpctr=1355878624

James Holmes - His Link to Global, Historical Bank Fraud Published Nov 22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UyS4HmTitUw#!

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Good Work Sparky,

Am on old rural phone line, and can't lode video, but will read comments.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I know one link is a movie and over 1 1/2 hrs long. Shouda warned ya :)

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

No problem.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

That proves nothing. Show me a single article that mentions Holmes testifying about Libor that doesn't include a reference about his son.