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Forum Post: "Voting will destroy OWS" ...

Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 21, 2012, 7:08 a.m. EST by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC
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I read this often

Many of us are confusing our hammers and our saws .....

"Anarchy" is but one TOOL ... in our tool chest ... albeit ... is likely our most powerful tool ...

"Voting" is another TOOL ...

"Anonymity" is another ....

"The Internet" is another ... and so on ....

Using one tool for one thing does not make the other tools weaker ....

... ... edited: added per Bd's comment ... I'm not suggesting that OWS officially endorses anyone... I am simply saying USE YOUR TOOL/S ;)



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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 11 years ago

look at how the tea potty was destroyed by voting
look at how the alchohol prohibition movement was destroyed by voting
look at how the NRA was destroyed by voting
it's time to put down your hammer
it's time to put down your saw


[-] 4 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 11 years ago

Bd... hmmm..... ok I see the confusion .... I'm not suggesting that OWS officially endorses anyone... I am simply saying USE YOUR TOOL/S ... or it/they will stop working ... use it or lose it .. ;)

[-] 2 points by PandoraK (1678) 11 years ago

Voting...where has that gotten us? Actually it's gotten us pretty far...maybe not in ways you believed it would or should but it's done a damned fine job of it when we use the vote collectively.

What can the vote do for us this time? Create a holding action, create an atmosphere for dialogue, to buy time.

The analogy of saws and hammers, tools is a good one and here's another that just might make things a bit more clear.

When remodeling a house do you tear the entire house down? Or do you change things room by room, window by window, door by door?

[-] 2 points by Krypton (73) 11 years ago

Perhaps. It could also be like trying to fight a widespread bacterial infection. By attrition, you carpet-bomb the whole system, to ensure that you've killed off the bad stuff, then rebuild on the structure, stronger than ever. Other doors don't fight you when you're trying to fix one.

EDIT: I'm not saying I fully believe that. It's just another way of looking at it. I think striving to diplomatically remove corporate influence from government is a worthy first step.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Great analogy. Don't let these visionless people discourage the good efforts of all citizens to vote.

Protest & Vote.

"It's the only way to be sure"

[-] 0 points by Endgame (535) 11 years ago

Wallstreet, Corporations and the 1%: "Hey man shut up with your damn common sense. We like what the Anarchists are telling the rest of Occupy to do. Don't vote and not to get involved in the political process. So...please shut up. In fact delete this thread. Gaddamn trouble maker."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Some how I don't C U hanging around for very long - But before U go:

What is anarchism?

Anarchism is the movement for social justice through freedom. It is concrete, democratic and egalitarian. It has existed and developed since the seventeenth century, with a philosophy and a defined outlook that have evolved and grown with time and circumstance. Anarchism began as what it remains today: a direct challenge by the underprivileged to their oppression and exploitation. It opposes both the insidious growth of state power and the pernicious ethos of possessive individualism, which, together or separately, ultimately serve only the interests of the few at the expense of the rest.

Anarchism promotes mutual aid, harmony and human solidarity, to achieve a free, classless society - a cooperative commonwealth. Anarchism is both a theory and practice of life. Philosophically, it aims for perfect accord between the individual, society and nature. In an anarchist society, mutually respectful sovereign individuals would be organised in non-coercive relationships within naturally defined communities in which the means of production and distribution are held in common.

Anarchists, are not simply dreamers obsessed with abstract principles. We know that events are ruled by chance, and that people’s actions depend much on long-held habits and on psychological and emotional factors that are often anti-social and usually unpredictable. We are well aware that a perfect society cannot be won tomorrow. Indeed, the struggle could last forever! However, it is the vision that provides the spur to struggle against things as they are, and for things that might be.

Whatever the immediate prospects of achieving a free society, and however remote the ideal, if we value our common humanity then we must never cease to strive to realise our vision. If we settle for anything less, then we are little more than beasts of burden at the service of the privileged few, without much to gain from life other than a lighter load, better feed and a cosier berth.

Ultimately, only struggle determines outcome, and progress towards a more meaningful community must begin with the will to resist every form of injustice.

In general terms, this means challenging all exploitation and defying the legitimacy of all coercive authority. If anarchists have one article of unshakeable faith then it is that, once the habit of deferring to politicians or ideologues is lost, and that of resistance to domination and exploitation acquired, then ordinary people have a capacity to organise every aspect of their lives in their own interests, anywhere and at any time, both freely and fairly.

Anarchism encompasses such a broad view of the world that it cannot easily be distilled into a formal definition. Michael Bakunin, the man whose writings and example over a century ago did most to transform anarchism from an abstract critique of political power into a theory of practical social action, defined its fundamental tenet thus: In a word, we reject all privileged, licensed, official, and legal legislation and authority, even though it arise from universal suffrage, convinced that it could only turn to the benefit of a dominant and exploiting minority, and against the interests of the vast enslaved majority.

Anarchists do not stand aside from popular struggle, nor do they attempt to dominate it. They seek to contribute to it practically whatever they can, and also to assist within it the highest possible levels both of individual self-development and of group solidarity. It is possible to recognise anarchist ideas concerning voluntary relationships, egalitarian participation in decision-making processes, mutual aid and a related critique of all forms of domination in philosophical, social and revolutionary movements in all times and places.

Elsewhere, the less formal practices and struggles of the more indomitable among the propertyless and disadvantaged victims of the authority system have found articulation in the writings of those who on brief acquaintance would appear to be mere millenarian dreamers. Far from being abstract speculations conjured out of thin air, such works have, like all social theories, been derived from sensitive observation. They reflect the fundamental and uncontainable conviction nourished by a conscious minority throughout history that social power held over people is a usurpation of natural rights: power originates in the people, and they alone have, together, the right to wield it.



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[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 11 years ago

The primary "Tool" or weapon in a democracy is Voting.

Americans use it less than any democracy in the world!

And we wonder why we have so many problems?

HINT: Our problems are not due to too much Voting!!!!

HINT 2: RepubliCons, Trolls and so-call "true OWS believers" are working overtime to discourage or suppress the Vote!!!!!

It's Class War, we're losing, fight fucking back!!

Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!


[-] 1 points by Trek19 (3) 11 years ago

No voting is not the "primary tool," rather it is an 'enlightened' populace that is involved. Many of us have voted over the last thirty or so years. Voting alone does not translate into being 'involved,' and 'the proof is in the pudding.' Where has voting got us? Awakening, educating the people, and resistance are our "primary tool[s]" at his point, as this corrupt system has become entrenched.

[-] 0 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 11 years ago

You are dead wrong!

Let's get registered and let's get out the VOTE!!


[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 11 years ago

No I am not, but you are beyond reason I know.

that should be worth a minus 5, if not now, later

[-] -1 points by Trek19 (3) 11 years ago

I have a naturally recalcitrant nature of doing the opposite of what people tell me I 'must' do.