Forum Post: Voter Registration in Flor-i-duh...
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 28, 2012, 1:39 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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Lets clear up a few things here first-
Romney has no shot at winning Florida. None. This should be obvious by now. It was ALWAYS going to be Romney winning the primary. And it was ALWAYS going to be Barrack beating him.
And senoirs are certainly not going to vote for a group who say "Lets not stop the wars or get the currency under control, lets just privatize the shit you have been paying into your whole life".
And if ID's are so god damn important in the "land of the free" then why arent they free? My SS number was. My original BC was.
Another idiotic part of the legistation is that they hold those who do voter registration drives, of which I have done plenty, personally responsible for mistakes on the registration.
And what the hell is a "questionable" registration?
This whole bullshit thing would be solved if they, meaning D and R, just made voter registration a given for everyone (makes fuckin sense right?)
Here's why they dont.....
Who does voter registration drives? It almost always D and R, because they have the money for it. The last thing they want is for everyone at 18 to get a list of all the parties in their state and start doing their homework.
This system which is almost 100% dominated by two companies who are 150+ years old, is about MAINTANING POWER. Thats it. They will throw you a crumb every now and then. But they are the uber elite. You are a piss ant.
Letting people, at the age of 18 (the youth are always more into alternative options than those who are older) would put all that in jeopardy. It would almost force people to due their homework, instead of being spoon fed.
And spoon feeding the people the information on how the "Land of the Free" functions is how they manage to stay in power regardless of how they behave.
voter registration at birth or entry into the country. No party affiliation indicated.!
That would be my suggestion.
And BTW Florida is definitely still up in the air because of attempts at voting roll purging, as well as todays revelation that a voter registration co has been found to have been involved with some illegal activity.
So nobody should believe anyone who claims the race is over! In fact when they say that it is time to look a lot closer at what is going on. It's a red flag. Don't forget they call it a con job because their trying to get your CONfidence.
All voters must stay alert! Look sharp, & Stay frosty! This ain't over yet and it's gonna get rougher from here on out.
Vote your conscience!
It was obvious that Bush was going to win in 04, obvious that Obama or Hillary was going to win in 2008, and obviousl that Obama is going to win now. The votes dont really matter. All they have to do is keep him ahead in the polls by using their propaganda, and the rest takes care of itself.
This is the equivalent of the Rinos running Dole against Clinton in 96. Kind of just pandering to keep the people believing they actually matter.
You didn't address the cheating. In 2004 this same consulting firm got in trouble registering many people but somehow losing all the dem registrations.
The cheating is the only threat to the people getting the choice they vote for.
So nobody should believe anyone who claims the race is over! In fact when they say that it is time to look a lot closer at what is going on. It's a red flag. Don't forget they call it a con job because their trying to get your CONfidence.
All voters must stay alert! Look sharp, & Stay frosty! This ain't over yet and it's gonna get rougher from here on out.
Vote your conscience!
Kerry, Dole and Romney are all just paraded out there for the hell of it. Bernake gave the green light to prop up the economy at least till Chirstmas.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist or an incredible marketing mind to see the obvious trends and tendencies in this sham of a system. The Republicans dont like Romney. But they got him shoved down their throats. Why do you think that is?
I thought Bernanke said he would buy bad Mtg loans from the corrupt bansters through 2013 at least?
Repubs got Romney 'cause the right wing wackos running against him the the primaries imploded or were destroyed by the other right wing wackos.
Why do you think the repubs have Romney?
The whole entire primary was a joke. None of those people were leaders. The whole thing was a sham. Its almost as much of a sham as the entire Democratic party rolling over and giving Obama the nod again. This system is not based on choices for people, or people in power doing whats right. Its about going with flow and keeping your mouth shut.
Christmas/2013...through the end of the year. Right around there. The bottom line is the banks are still robbing, teh bombs are still dropping, and there isnt that much anger from the people. No need to replace him.
Are you unfamiliar with the fact that the 2 parties always renominate the sitting president without a primary challenger. (Carter was the exception)?
Why would you see that as a sham? The incumbent always has the best chance to get re elected. And why exactly would you call the repub primary a sham?
Are you suggesting the powers that be decided long ago that Romney would be the chosen loser to Obama because Pres Obama is doing their bidding just fine?
Your last sentence pretty much sums it up. If McCain were doing what he's done, we would see a MAJOR increase of protests in the streets.
I realize that the parties always roll over, in hopes of re-election, instead of giving the people options. Thats the point. How can every single person in the D party say "Im fine with the drones and indef det guy being the face of my party again?" ITs all a big sell out. Keep your mouth shut, go with the flow. Play the game. "Its how DC works"
Im not saying it was all planned out 10 years ago haha. Im just saying it was obvious to me that Romney was going to be the guy, regardless of what happened.
The media literally runs everyone's minds. IF the media really got behind any of them, then that would be who the people backed.
Well I guessed it would be Romney as well but consider who he was running against. I mean that is not proof of some master plan to put up a weak candidate for Pres Obama to beat.
And it may be that liberals would protest a repub more, and that many give a dem (Obama) a pass. That doesn't surprise you though does it?
Certainly there are protests against Pres Obama by liberals. I remember NO protests by conservatives against Bush and he spent like a drunk sailor (way anti conservative).
In terms of the profound failures at changing indef det, ending afghan war/drone bombings, weak fin reform, no public option. I get the sense liberals are way disappointed in Pres Obama on these important issues.
I hear many highly critical of him. (even me) But I see also a belief that there has been a most massive resistance to all his efforts. from the 1% plutocrats (using repubs). Some politics based, some race based. But the greatest resistance in history.
Actually I see many liberals who believe Pres Obama has achieved more than they thought he would in the face of this most massive resistance and greatest economic crash in 80 years.
I see liberals who believe we must break the back of the tea party/right wing wackos that have created all these problems and that we can pull the dem party from the right & 1% plutocrats. Liberals are saying we must make another attempt at taking the govt back from the wealthy oligarchs and force change for the 99%.
It's a long shot. It will take years, & hard work. That is what I see liberals who support Obama saying.
I on the other hand don't want to commit my allegiance since I am trying to be non partisan.
I see them saying that too. They have been saying the same thing since I can remember. Same for the right. And thats the game. Thats the system. Each uber-connected party doing whatever they can to win their seats. To hell with the people.
The fact that OWS came around shows what is going on. Its all breaking down. And once the currency is totally shot, which isnt far off, its all going to fall apart. We ARE all Greece. Just havent arrived yet.
Raging Against the Machine is not being partisan. It is being politically awoken.
Yeah the United States of America is NOT Greece, or Spain, or anyone else. I'm sorry. No one can convince me we are anything like these tiny countries.
Even with this greatest of recessions in 80 years the US economy is still stronger than anyplace else on the planet. Europe? Worse. China/Japan? Worse!
People from all over the world still clamor to buy our bonds, we ARE growing. (too slow but growing). Things will improve as they always have.
You claim we are headed for another crash? When? What will happen to us?. How can I prepare for it? Please tell me. What are you doing?. Buying gold? planning an escape to Canada? Hoarding food & ammo.?
I really wanna know. What is your plan to deal with the crash.?
No one is buying our bonds at auction anymore dude, thats why the Fed has to buy its own crap. Thats why China has dumped almost all of em. Only a fool would want bonds when there is currently a currency debasing race by all industrialized countries.
I agree we are still number one. Im saying that our entire system is fucked, and when it goes under, its going to be uglier than it is in Europe because of the type of people that live here. And our reliance on huge elaborate corporate schemes for all the basics like food.
Im guessing that after our elections (Europes....errr...Germany's elections are right after) everyone is going to take a step back, realize that everything is financially WORSE than it was before the last one, and that is when reality will set in with the markets.
My plan to deal with this bullshit system is to stay on my toes, by in lines of work are more neccesity than not, and yes be financially prepared. Like with your rentals, people are always going to need a place to live. And inflation is going to set in with rental prices sooner or later to keep up with tax increases.
I fully believe that things will improve, but we havent fixed what was broken yet. We havent learned our lesson. The people or Congress. Take away trillions of Fed injections and there would be zero growth. The entire thing is a mess, and the markets are going to correct it whether people like it or not.
Ok. If you say so. As long as it's gonna improve I guess it's all good.
And did you say China has dumped almost all of 'em"? (bonds) That seems unlikely. And are you suggesting that we bought them since no one else is? Also unlikely.
Are you trying to take advantage of my economic inexperience? I'm gonna do a little research and get back to you boss.
Good luck in the coming crash!
That's not quite right. China has sold some treasuries, but Japan has way more than made up for it. http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/01/18/chinas-not-really-dumping-treasurys/
Thats because Japan is kind of everyones whipping boy. Japan buying them is meaningless, because Japan as an economy right now, ezpecially being right next to China, is meaningless. WE have been forcing Japan into our debt for decades, along with eveyrone else. They own more than any other country.
Here is a decent article on teh FEd, printing the money, and then buying the money. Its a huge scheme dude, it CANNOT last.
http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/fed-debt-Treasury/2012/03/28/id/434106
I think I agree with you in general. (I think you forgot to post a link}
No doubt it was going to be Romney....spoon fed to the zombies of america through the major corps that control the media and money. And americans bite every time.
I watched every primary debate....not a single time did i think romney came even close to winning one of them...and even the conservative news stations own polls reflected the same thing. I feel like i'm in a dream....it's like i want to grab the american people and shake the crap out of them to wake them out of their reality TV stupor.
Shake the fuckin shit outta em....Whake Em!....
I wouldn't be shocked to see Obama lose Wisconsin but see other dems do very well. Stranger things have happened.
The only people who will vote for Obama are the 47%ers who are receiving government assistance. He is definitely not gong to get any votes from businesses the way he continues to slam them.
And as far as independents go the reason they are independent is because they are not "dependent" and that means they are more likely to vote for a "conservative" president then a "liberal" president taking into consideration the last 3.5 years of increasing the debt by 6 trillion.
Obama is a lock, anyone who ha studies elections can see that...Republicans should be happy with him...
Hillary was a lock too. So was Bush 1.
No, not if you study it, it wasnt so...its nots about measureing the public appraisal, its about measuring the ability of a candidate to subdue the masses...aka bullshit artist...
It's also about people not showing up at the polls.
Any anyone who has looked at how the polls were conducted will see it from a different view.
And anyone who doesnt think the media controls the polls needs their heads examined
You are correct about that - they do - however you have to remember - not all 47%ers will vote for Obama. 53% will vote for Romney because they are not dependent on the government for assistance.
So to think that Romney is going to lose - lets see what happens after the first debate between Romney/Obama and then you will really see a change when Biden/Ryan debate.
Romney will likely only be able to carry 1 state, Indiana, that McCain didn't. Maybe NC if he is really lucky.
Right now, Intrade has Romney with only a 21.6% chance of winning the election. That is actually people putting money where their mouths are. If you really think Romney will win, I suggest you head on over there and put down some money because it will pay almost 5 to 1.
Read this and then tell me about Intrade
http://www.elephantwatcher.com/2011/04/what-can-we-learn-from-intrade.html
This is exactly what I mean. If Intrade is indeed very wrong, and Romney does go ahead and win, the payout will be nearly 5 to 1. This is merely a chance for you to go and put your money where your mouth is and make a very handsome profit if you are right and the majority of those using Intrade are wrong.
Why waste time trying to convince anonymous people on an internet message board you are right when you can make some good money from being right?
I don't need Intrade to invest in to make a "handsome profit" - - I can do it just by selling a A/C - Heating system to someone who needs it.
For someone who is so sure Romney will win though it is basically free money. Unless of course you really aren't so sure....
Willing to bet that Romney won't win that state?
There are many who disagree with your "inconsequential" assessment.
People who actually studied the issue.
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/11838-election-expert-richard-hasen-on-voter-fraud-and-disenfranchisement
I see Florida as a very conservative state; senior citizens are definitely NOT voting for Obama, and either are the Jews, who constitute a rather large voting block. I'm giving Florida to Romney.
Jews will absolutely vote for Pres Obama again. Probably 70%. And now that the elderly understand the Romney/Ryan SS/medicare/medicaid plans I think the elderly will reject your republicans.
So Florida will be tough for Romney but not impossible. The panhandle is definitely conservative but not the rest. Here in NYC we consider Fl the 6th boro.
Yea but it's a sixth boro of primarily working class people; none of them are voting for Obama.
Working class people NOT voting for Pres Obama?
You think they're gonna vote for the plutocrat Romney? Wow. that is amazing.
I don't see that happening. Sorry, we disagree on that.
Well let me tell you something... my world is one of the working class and I have never talked to a single individual who plans to vote for Obama; the permanent couch potatoes who survive on handouts, btw, are not "working" class.
I don't know who you're talkin about "survive on handouts"? You mean elderly who survive on the Social Security/medicare earned benefits they paid into.?
You mean the vets who survive on benefits they earned serving their nation?
Working class people should definitely NOT vote for tax evading, swiss bank account holding, outsourcer, who is worth a qtr of a billion bucks.
Hell no... I mean that vast majority of white people who choose to sit on the couch and accept Obama bucks rather than work.
What kind of world do you live in? Look around.
Get real... the working class hates Obama with a passion; I've never seen such vehemence for a President. This btw also includes our vets - they're definitely not voting for him either.
You are absolutely wrong. This Pres has done more for vets than the greedy, selfish repubs you praise.
And this Pres is getting our vets out of the illegal oil wars your repubs put them in.
I think this Pres will get a majority of vets votes, & a majority of working class votes.
Whats an Obama buck? Can I have some.?
The vets are going to vote for Obama? Are you kidding me? No member of the military has voted for a Dem, in like, 50 years.
Check this out boss. LOL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-friedman/election-data-military-co_b_143621.html
This is 2012, just saying.
So the numbers will continue moving towards dems. Those days are over. Military service people know the dems are looking out for them and Repubs just wanna send them to one war after another.
What the military now knows is that Obama intends cuts that will include a reduction in military benefits; they know this because the Left has been ranting about it for three years. And they're not stupid.
Thats absolutely not true. I have heard the repub talking point attacks with those lies about the future cuts. But our troops are smart enough to know what is just campaign lies.
Gitout... it's being repeated here in this forum on a daily basis. It's expected that the Dems will impose a military reduction in force, a reduction in defense spending, and even attack benefits as soon as the election is over.
No member? You are delusional! We'll see how it all goes boss.
If we can stop the republican cheating Pres Obama will be re elected easily.
I don't believe he stands a rat's chance in hell; the nothing to directly gain non-partisan vote is solidly anti-Obama.
Well if it's been repeated on the interwebs it must be true.
I think the military budget can be cut by 50%. But I think it can be done by cutting waste/fraud/abuse, shrinking the size of future force, & without cutting vet benefits.
And the Dems are the last ones to cut benefits for anyone. That's what your Reps are good for. No?
Civil Rights forward, I would say the Reps have been far more supportive of the military and defense contractors.
So you don't like homosexuals, and Muslims are criminals.
Got it?
Who/what did you have to defend the 2 Jews from?
The anti-Jewry; they're everywhere.
Non sense! I'm an atheist. your list is childishness.
You've already stated your a racist. Clearly you don't like minorities, or city dwellers.
How about homosexuals? Muslims? Jews?
I had two childhood friends that were Jews, I liked and defended them to all end; and many coworkers that were or are half-breeds, meaning they like Christmas; a lot. But I'd have to say I haven't known too many Jews. I think the hasidics are a trip... really interesting. They're like the Amish of American Judaism.
My feelings on homosexuality would blow even your mind; but there's something about the healthy society I think that requires more discretion than gays are willing to admit of; as any Gay guy will tell you - give me an inch and I'll take a few more. And that's exactly what's happening now. Society has entered an unhealthy stage in general, sexually speaking.
Muslims... geez. The few real relationships, for example, with what I would consider orthodox muslims were enlightening experiences. What I learned is that the longer they remain in America, the more il-liberal, disheartened and angry they become. What was even more interesting, was that although gainfully employed by day, many were often doing credit card theft by night. I know of one Pakistani family that has survived on credit card theft for at least 15 years now; it's essentially a non-prosecute-able crime.
Regarding religion, I am an evolutionary God-ist; what else ya got?
What lines do you draw? Why?
I draw several actually.
1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me (this includes corrupt government).
2) For I the LORD your God am a jealous God (you shall not bow to any other - see the above).
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD your God in vain (I take this one very seriously).
4) Honor thy father and thy mother (to the extent that you can bear, i.e., whenever possible).
5) Thou shalt not murder (unless the SOB deserves it).
6) Thou shalt not bear false witness, steal, or covet your neighbor's house or his donkey (I'm not so sure about that wife thing, though).
When all else fails, draw another line. Which is what we do; we call these lines in the sand: "laws."
But I think all agree, there's something really beautiful about a pristine beach... without footprints, or lines in the sand.
I suppose the number one biggie is this one: Don't be an asshole; it's the only law that really matters to me.
better drugs?
What lines do you draw? Why?
haha...
What lines do you draw? & Why? Do you think you are better than those you draw lines against.?
Absolutely.
You gotta start doing better drugs.
Red, blue, or green. We are all the same. At least that is how I feel.
You draw a lot of lines?
A lot, yea.
Def cuts without layoffs! Red, blue, green no matter, no layoffs.
Yearight. Like the Reds are buying that one...
Defense cuts? Hell YES! For Rednecks? No. that is an offensive statement and just another weak dishonest attempt to twist my meaning!.
Def cuts? Yes. Layoffs in those red states? Hell NO!
Stick to the truth if you dare! You have to trust your position is strong enough to stand without the dishonest twisting of my position.
Have confidence.
How are you going to reduce military defense spending by 50% - which as you note is primarily in red states (because the Northeast in all their blueness lost these "industrial" contracts) - without laying off defense workers? It's an attack on Red; same old shit, and I get it.
I support cutting in a way that minimizes layoffs. You say it can't be done? We disagree!
How do you twist that into me wanting red staters dead?
From your statement below: "Def contractors do have employees, most in red states and I think we should cut but do it in a way that minimizes layoffs."
Well, at least we're finally getting to the truth. Defense cuts for the Rednecks (and other Red Staters), I get it.
Most def contractor workers are in red states, and although I support defense cuts I would do it in a way that minimizes layoffs in those red states.
How do you twist that into me wanting to kill red staters? Please stick to the truth!
In terms of product you can reduce numbers but you can't significantly cut costs without eliminating programs; eliminating programs puts people on the unemployment line.
Yes servicepeople and their children should have better benefits. I support that. I hope you're not blaming Obama forthat.
Def contractors do have employees, most in red states and I think we should cut but do it in a way that minimizes layoffs.
Thats all.
That sounds like a rather prejudicial statement - the only good Red is a dead Red?
Yeah me too. but the Dems are more supportive of troops, & vets. The people are served better by the dems.
The corps (def contractors, etc) are better served by repubs.
Yes but you forget that those defense contractors have employees... millions of them, that require representation, too. In today's anti-military environment they must also persevere to preserve their own life circumstance; they vote Republican. Because they see this as a Dem controlled Congress; and so it is, that a Rep. Senator may introduce legislative cuts that will ultimately land on that Dem Congress. It was originally Obama's idea; they are receptive, and we will be forced to a bipartisan effort to restore - who are the heroes?
The children of America's military have no dental care, did you know that? Because the benefit is minimal - they'd be better off on Medicaid, and that shouldn't be - this is America's "equality"?
Well if you know how to read you can read the polls and see how well your boy Romney is doing.
LMFAO
I'd say he's at least 25 to 30 points ahead on independents,
yeah the election will tell.
independents are NOT gonna vote republican because republican party has been taken over by the right wing wack extremist tea party.
Understand.?
I think, uhh, there may be a handful of Irish unionists that vote for Obama but that's about it.
You know, seamen have always known that the world was round. They knew that because the horizon in their wake would drop from view, only to rise on return. And yet the world of science preferred the "world is flat" version. Keep repeating things long enough and it will become accepted belief, but it won't bear the test of election.
You can say it. but that don't make it so.
Seems to me independents are running as fast as they can away from the right wing wacko extremist tea party controlled republican party.
We'll see.
That's laughable.. the independents were never with the right wing wackos; we're "independent."
Obama is doing everything a perfect puppet does. He isnt going anywhere.
the fact that neither of you can see that shows how strong the propaganda is in this country.
The Jewish community generally vote democrat. Central Florida is split,and north Fl is R. Real Clear Politics has O up by 3.2%
They won't vote Democrat this year; that's a definite.
I'd take that bet.
From the link below; A study of Jewish voters in Florida conducted early this month by the American Jewish Committee showed that about 7 in 10 said they would vote for Mr. Obama. According to the Gallup daily tracking poll conducted from July 1 to Sept. 10, 70 percent of registered Jewish voters planned to vote for Mr. Obama, compared with 25 percent for Mitt Romney. In the spring, Gallup’s poll showed Mr. Obama up 64 percent to 29 percent against Mr. Romney. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/us/politics/republicans-go-after-jewish-vote.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Ok, you keep believin' that.
I bet you've never been to south Florida.
It does lean slightly to the right, but not by much. Many, like me, are Yankees that now are down here. Tampa has a Dem Mayor and all 6 city council members are Dems.
And why the hell are felons not allowed to vote? You may not like them, you may not approve of what they did, but they are taxed and are still living in this system. They have every much of a right to have a say in who their new masters will be.
Just register everyone!!!!
End this nonsense. This idiotic, divisive, distractionary bullshit that the media grabs and just plugs and plugs and plugs... Its all fuckin bullshit and its just more proof that this entire system is not built on people having choices.