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Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 26, 2012, 10:11 a.m. EST by 99nproud (2697)
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[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

They understand the problem/threat to their party but they don't seem to understand the fundamental ism and insult/offense to women.

http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/News2?abbr=daily4_&page=NewsArticle&id=37631&security=1521&news_iv_ctrl=-1

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Repubs will subjugate women again.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

at least 15 repub candidates are against abortion for rape victims

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/richard-mourdock-abortion_n_2018934.html

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[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

unaware. We gotta make every woman (& man!) aware. Ifthey know they can't vote for these right wing wacko misogynists.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

Rapelican Party

[-] 3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Support women TODAY!! It ain't to late.

http://www.onebillionrising.org/page/event/search_simple

[-] 3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

No excuses!! Sign the petition.

http://passvawa.com/merkley

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Small victory for womens rights

http://www.drawtheline.org/

[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

C'mon, how can anyone deny that Repelicans are anti women.?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/22/1627441/oklahoma-birth-control-poison/

FYI, (& shameless bump up)

[-] -1 points by eviltrillionaire (-146) 1 year ago

What are you talking about??? It's the democrats who are anti-women:

http://freebeacon.com/senate-dems-betray-lilly/

http://freebeacon.com/no-equal-pay-for-nancy/

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

1st step to protect women, end bullying/violence in schools

http://capwiz.com/aauw/issues/alert/?alertid=62621401

You can make a difference like this guy

http://www.upworthy.com/the-most-beautiful-way-to-stop-a-bully-ive-ever-seen?c=upw1

[-] 0 points by eviltrillionaire (-146) 1 year ago

No. Tell DEMORATS to support women.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Not republicans? Why? Because we know they never will?

[-] 0 points by eviltrillionaire (-146) 1 year ago

Hey asshole, do you spend 24x7 here? Got a life?

Not Republicans, because you conveniently forget the shit sins of the DNC, ACORN and all their lackeys.

Gonna call the "approval" police on me again? How very "inclusive" of you, you POS.

Now go fuck yourself in the eyeball, you leftist shitbag.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

When did I forget Dem sins?

Why don't you remind us of dems sins against women. Feel free,let it all out.

Would it help if I give you an issue.?

Equal pay! Go.

[-] 0 points by eviltrillionaire (-146) 1 year ago

Hey shitbag, look about about five posts up.

You're blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Support women, STOP rape in military

http://capwiz.com/aauw/issues/alert/?alertid=62601651

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I don't know what you mean.

Did someone hurt you? Is that why you are so angry?

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

I am out of control with outrage over this new religious wacko shit. I'm going to have a stroke!

[-] 5 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

Agree.

Rapelican Party Platform: A Rapist, Is An Instrument Of God.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Actions in support of women you can take.

http://4vawa.org/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Such insanity - and these people are either in office or running for office - largely in the southern states - makes some sense as pollution is pretty heavy in southern states ( KKK/supremacist country ) - it must affect some peoples minds fairly adversely. ANOTHER GOOD REASON TO KICK FOSSIL FUEL TO THE CURB ( it apparently rots minds ).

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

Good morning DKA,

Agree.

Things are getting ridiculous---Did not expect things to sink so low.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Good Morning Nevada. It is sad to see people blaming God for the evil that is done by other people in the world. Guess if they read the Bible they missed that whole confrontation in the beginning about eating the apple and getting booted out of the garden.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

They need to be beaten soundly at the polls.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Let me "spin" it back to you another way-Why would any women vote for people who think killing babies should be easy?

Spin is for the lazy. Intelligent debate is much harder.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

You are some kind of religious wacko.

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

who is killing babies?
from wiki:.
A baby is a very young human who is usually born after coming out of a woman. A child is a month old, a baby until he or she is about three years old, and a preschooler between 3 years old and school.


or are you one of those wonders of nature that gets to use its own private definitions and facts.

[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Now lets hope that their next bill specifies the death penalty for the women who end their pregnancies


707.1 Murder defined.

  1. A person who kills another person with malice aforethought either express or implied commits murder.

  2. “Person”, when referring to the victim of a murder, means an individual human being, without regard to age of development, from the moment of conception, when a zygote is formed, until natural death.

Murder includes killing another person through any means that terminates the life of the other person including but not limited to the use of abortion-inducing drugs. For the purposes of this section, “abortion-inducing drug” means a medicine, drug, or any other substance prescribed or dispensed with the intent of terminating the clinically diagnosable pregnancy of a woman, with knowledge that the drug will with reasonable likelihood cause the termination of the pregnancy. “Abortion-inducing drug” includes the off-label use of drugs known to have abortion-inducing properties, which are prescribed specifically with the intent of causing an abortion, but does not include drugs that may be known to cause an abortion, but which are prescribed for other medical indications.


Then the next bill specifies the death penalty for the people who execute the women.

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

In regards to a murder charge (and in general) I believe life begins at birth not conception.

In any event I am against the state killing people and therefore against the death penalty.

Finally, the republican efforts to control women through vaginal laws is disgusting and reprehensible.

[+] -7 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 1 year ago

Tell that to the guy getting charged in court with two murders because he kills a pregnant lady.

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Nonsense. Make some sense. Stop attacking womens rights you sexist, piece of shit

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Petitions, phone calls, marches, from progressives beat the Tea Party!

A few minutes ago the Violence Against Women Act finally passed the House. You should be proud - the GOP caved because of the pressure grassroots activists like you put on them. Thank you.

But our work is far from over.

Some of our top GOP targets actually voted against this common sense legislation that never should've expired in the first place. We need your help to hold those who voted against it accountable.

Identify, denounce and retire any who dare vote against VAWA.

Here is more action we must take

http://www.drawtheline.org/

[-] -2 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 1 year ago

Well ladee f'n daa.

Your right to freedom includes my right to be free from you.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Support our women!!

http://www.womenoccupy.org/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Women-Occupy/233866043333736

Put aside your selfish, resentment. As we strengthen others, we grow stronger.

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Stop spam harassing me with your childish lies.

Support women who engineer all our existence

http://www.weartv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/hillary-clinton-major-speech-womens-rights-30571.shtml

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Repubs anti women action.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/02/23/house-gops-vawa-proposal-nixes-lgbt-native-american-protections/

Support native American women & LGBT community! Oppose repub efforts.

[-] -3 points by BlueMonday (-154) 1 year ago

thinkprogress is a george soros funded organization

[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Then we owe Mr Soros a debt of gratitude, One of many! he's a great soldier for the 99%, and one the enlightened 1%'rs.

[+] -4 points by BlueMonday (-154) 1 year ago

george soros , the man that said he would give his ( considerable) fortune to bring down america. . george soros ( a jew) that said the happiest time of his life was when he was working ( as a teenager) for the nazis , against the jews. this is the garbage you admire.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

I reject your inaccurate slurs against the great Soros.

[+] -4 points by BlueMonday (-154) 1 year ago

No, you didnt do any research. try these key words,............".guide to the george soros network". the man is complete garbage.

[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

I disagree. Done plenty of research and your slurs are absolutely WRONG!! Just partisan bullshit.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Im going to assume this is a joke.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You think this guy is a republican?

http://www.upworthy.com/the-shortest-psa-on-how-to-handle-drunk-girls-passed-out-on-your-couch-ever?c=upw1

Just so you know how to treat women, and educate your breitbart reading misogynist paymasters.

Your welcome.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

"Rape culture"- What it means.....

http://act.weareultraviolet.org/signup/rape_culture_infograph?akid=355.443591.FaMj5Y&rd=1&t=2#

Try to understand this is NOT a joke.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm serious. we MUST support women all over the world.

https://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5123/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=9739

Whaddyathink?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

it just don't end with these misogynists

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/sean-duffy-ultrasound-bill.php?ref=fpb

Waddyathink?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Who the fuck cares what you assume?

[+] -4 points by BlueMonday (-154) 1 year ago

you cant reject fact. do you own research,the man is slime.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Already have. He's a great man/soldier for the 99%. You are absolutely WRONG!

[+] -7 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 1 year ago

notachance

[-] 3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Many people don't support womens rights. but we at OWS recognize the challenge we face providing healthcare to women.

Please support this effort to stop the attack on womens clinics.

We need everyones support.

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[-] -3 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 1 year ago

It's not about women's rights. It's about making other people pay for women's rights.

Your right to freedom includes my right to be free from you.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Many people cannot think beyond their own wallets but women don't cost anymore than men. Perhaps you should agitate against mens benefits. How about subsidies for the sports stadiums? That's a whole lot more money I bet.

In any event Women, & womens health is well worth the cost. We all have mothers, some have sisters, wives, &/or daughters.

Please support our women against the gop's heartless cuts so they can give more tax breaks to millionaires/billionaires.

Watch this tomorrow. Maybe you will be moved to do the right thing.

http://www.thirteen.org/share-your-story/women/

[-] -1 points by whaddyathink (-89) from Millville, NJ 1 year ago

No, no subsidies for anyone. Get it? I don't care if it's a whole lot more money. it's all corruption.

Earn your way or GTFO.

It may be worth the cost in you opinion, but not mine. I owe them nothing. I don't know them. If they want a service or product, they need to pay for it, PERIOD.

Screw adverbs like "heartless". You support yourself. I'm tired of supporting anyone except myself and my family; I'm barely making ends meet as is. I ask for no help from anyone and JUST WANNA BE LEFT THE FOOK ALONE.

The right thing is personal responsibility and stopping the FSA mentality.

Your right to freedom includes my right to be free from you.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

We are stronger together! united we stand, divided we fall. we are all in this together.

The selfish, destructive days of "you're on your own" are over!

Free health care for ALL!! Women of course, but ALL. Public option single payer expanded medicare is the cheapest way to provide healthcare.

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[-] 3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Tell your senator how you feel about their vote against VAWA

http://capwiz.com/aauw/issues/alert/?alertid=62423971

And the list of 22 male GOP senators who voted against the VAWA.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00087

This is why the GOP loses the womens vote and elections.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Repubs mock rape exceptions

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/02/1807991/kansas-rape-exceptions-gotcha/

FYI (and shameless bump)

[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

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[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I'm one of those wonders of nature that doesn't rely on wiki for all of my scientific definitions and facts. 1sealyon provided the following in another post-

"Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

"Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote."

T.W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.

"[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being."

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

[+] -5 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

What crime did the child conceived in rape commit that merits the death penalty?

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I don't support making abortion a crime.

Abortion should be so abhorrent to our moral sensibilities that it is made unthinkable.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We should vote out any pol who attacks womens rights.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Would you approve of public funding to discourage abortion in the same way we fund campaigns against smoking and drug abuse?

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is priceless.

http://www.upworthy.com/feminist-confuses-fox-news-host-by-suggesting-that-we-teach-men-to-not-attack-wo?c=upw1

Why does the conversation ofrape have to be focused on the women.?

Why don't we say the truth? Teach men to stop raping women.!!!

[-] -3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Do you believe that men rape because someone failed to teach them that it was wrong?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I think our culture excuses the bullying, hazing, teasing, roughhousing, and the subjectification of women, and the abuse of women, wasn't so long ago it was common place to hit your wife and suffer no consequences.

In addition we are still blaming what women where, and whether they are drunk, or some other behavior that led the man on instead of saying that man is a sick fuck and should e put down like the mad dog he is.

So yeah we have a lot of progress to make in educating men on how to treat women and other people.

What do you think? You think we educate enough about how to treat people, women?

Try to be honest!

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Read carefully. Better than even does not equate to all; actually closer to 1/2.

There are solutions however. Why has the violent crime rate dropped over the last 40 years?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm more interested in identifying, denouncing, & retiring all pols who vote against womens interests.

In terms of crime I would say we need pols who support the VAWA, and maybe the efforts to end the statute of limitations on rape cases, making rape a federal crime, and making the sentence long & mandatory.

To get those changes passed would require the right politician, so we must identify anti women politicians,

Do you know any?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Educate?

US schools can't teach kids to add, don't trust them to teach males to be better behaved.

Family and peers have a better record of education and it is rare to find a mom that has educated her son on the good aspects of rape.

Peers are another matter. Get a group of 19 Year old males together after midnight, add alcohol, and you can wager better than even odds there will be some anti social behavior. Notwithstanding any education. It is in their nature. That is more than honest; it's a fact.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well you offer several reasons to do nothing.

Schools are bad, (So, improve them! and embark on an intense program of punishing bullying, intolerant, misogynist behavior)

Parents have already educated sons, (obviously NOT!. )

ALL 19 year old males who drink after midnight will be anti social. (Not ALL 19 year olds. In fact just a small % ofall males. So it AIN'T nature, or fact, It's your opinion and it's wrong)

I guess we should just give up? Are you against better education on these issues of how we treat people?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Results are important, not intentions. Try to identify which laws resulted in the reduction of violent crime against women.

What laws passed over the last 40 years have resulted in a reduction in violent crime among men ages 15 to 35 (the demographic responsible for 80% of violent crime)?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Results are important, not intentions. Try to identify which laws resulted in the reduction of violent crime against women.

What laws passed over the last 40 years have resulted in a reduction in violent crime among men ages 15 to 35 (the demographic responsible for 80% of violent crime)?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Let's work towards the results of identifying, denouncing, & retiring anti women politicians.

In terms of crime I would say we need pols who support the VAWA, and maybe the efforts to end the statute of limitations on rape cases, making rape a federal crime, and making the sentence long & mandatory.

To get those changes passed would require the right politician, so we must identify anti women politicians,

Do you know any?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Do you believe that violent crime has dropped because we have more laws?

Why has crime dropped?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I think crime MUST drop more!!

I'm more interested in identifying, denouncing, & retiring all pols who vote against womens interests.

In terms of crime I would say we need pols who support the VAWA, and maybe the efforts to end the statute of limitations on rape cases, making rape a federal crime, and making the sentence long & mandatory.

To get those changes passed would require the right politician, so we must identify anti women politicians,

Do you know any?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Common law enforcement axiom: nothing good ever happens after midnight.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

It is a fact that most violent crimes (all kinds) are committed by men, almost 80%. Why? Is it because it is in their nature, or because they have been taught to be violent (or failed to be taught non-violent solutions)?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I suppose I can repeat every thing I just wrote but why don't you just refer up to my 1st response.

Better yet. Why don't you try honestly answering theqiestion I posed instead of deflecting with more questions.

I will repeat for you.

Do you think we educate enough about how to treat people, & especially how to treat women?

Try to be honest!

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is also abortion related. You might be enlightened. Maybe even moved.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/03/silenced-stories-of-survivors-of-sexual-assault-and-abortions/?upw

Anything?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

How could one not be moved by this story.

Do you believe that if all social stigma was removed from abortion that mothers would not continue to grieve and anguish over the decision?

Why do so many women oppose it (nearly half) ?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choice-first-time.aspx

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

80% believe abortion should be legal. 18% believe it should be illegal.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

See that. That is my own gallup poll. LOL.

And if you look you will see that 28% believe abortion should be legal "under ANY circumstance".

So I think like you that poll is not honest! Certainly not accurate.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I agree that abortion should be legal. Gov intervention is almost always a failure.

I would prefer that abortion be so morally abhorrent that it is unthinkable.

The poll I submitted could be honest. Just because something is legal does not make it right. Remember, slavery was legal in the US for 400 years.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Slavery was legal in North America for about 250 years, about 1620- 1865.

In the US from 1776 - 1865 89 years.

In any event. Abortion needs to be let alone. Women are smart enough to decide for themselves.

It ain't murder, it ain't "morally wrong", it ain't a sin. It's just a medical procedure a women should be free to make without the religious fundamental cases gettin involved.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And your poll is 4 years old. And if you look closely at it you will see that the vast majority of respondents support abortion.

Your dishonestly knows no bounds. LOL

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I think he TREATS women fine probably but who cares? He is an ex President, retired. Currently he is doing more for women and all people around the world than any republican ex president ever has!!!

I think there is much evidence from decades ago that might show he TREATED women pretty poorly. But I do not know.

I know he respected women politicians, and supported womens rights/issues better than any republican.

Do you have some decades old slur, gossip, or accusation you wanna sling?

Who cares, if all you got is decades old rumors then that pretty much makes the case that TODAY, only one party is anti women.

Got anything from this millenium? Maybe on an existing politician in power?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Excellent!! Well done. Identify & denounce.

Of course this thread is focused mainly on politicians who are anti women in their legislative action.

Understand?

Like this for instance.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/votes-against-violence-against-women-act/

Whaaaaaaat?

Got anything like that. Let's identify and denounce ALL anti women politicians.

In the meantime I will begin compiling the republicans in sex scandals that you have somehow left out.

Here's some current repub activity.

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/02/another-republican-sex-scandal-2489570.html

http://www.dailykos.com/news/Republican%20Sex%20Scandals

And a compilation for you.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals#2011

Heres a party comparison

http://www.nerve.com/news/politics/republican-sex-scandals-outnumber-democrat-sex-scandals-two-to-one

I'll get more if You like, but the more important issue is how they vote in regards to womens issues.

So I WILL continue posting the facts of which pols do not support womens issues.

I mean men are dogs and will fail regardless of party. That's easy to find.

The voting action! That's what we MUST identify & denounce.

Got any of that?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Molesting and harassing women are not scandals, they are crimes.

Are ok with pols that molest and commit other crimes as long as the vote the way you like?

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

So you are ok with pols that molestand commit other crimes as long as the vote the way you like?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

NO! That's you blatantly lying because your position can't withstand the truth.

I will repeat my response to the links of sex scandals you posted to remind and shame you.

"Excellent!! Well done. Identify & denounce."

That's how I responded, because that is how I feel, party notwithstanding..

Point is. Sex scandals are easy, obvious signs of anti women pols. Usually (unless repub like Vitter) retired immediately.

Those pols not involved in sex scandals, remaining in office, and voting against womens interests are the more difficult to identify, but more important to denounce and retire.

Now get it straight you lying piece of shit! You have no honor!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No! we're doin just fine reducing abortion. I would fund a program of encouraging safe sex/use of and paying for contraception, especially in those high abortion religious right states that forbid contracetion and teach only abstinence.

We know that when you teach only abstinence and hide the lessons of safe sex, you have more abortions.

But abortion is goin down. Check it out:

http://www.care2.com/causes/abortion-rates-drop-by-5-precent-in-us.html

[-] -3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Why do you want to reduce the number of abortions?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It is traumatic for many women. Dangerous for others. It is also an easily avoidable expense.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

So why are you against a PR campaign to discourage it? If abortion was considered an undesirable behavior like smoking would that not motivate people to avoid unwanted pregnancies?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't see it as an undesirable behavior. I see it as a medical procedure.

And I already said I support funding safe sex/use of & payment for contraceptive.

Why don't you support that!?

We know that works to reduce abortions.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

"It is different because smoking& drug abuse are damaging to the health of an individual, and are not safe medical procedures"

But you just wrote that it is traumatic, dangerous, and expensive for the individual.

Abortions were up in 2011 to 1,210,000 abortions.

World wide there were 42,000,000. Many were aborted because they child was a girl.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11abortion.html?_r=0

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I found less than 600k per year in 2009 and coming down.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/Abortion.htm

abortion is not an addictive drug. The comparison is false, & ridiculous.

Sorry. Why don't you support teaching safe sex, and providing free contraception.? We know that works.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

You just wrote that it is undesirable because:

"It is traumatic for many women. Dangerous for others. It is also an easily avoidable expense."

If it is easily avoidable why are there 1,300,000 every year?

Why is it any different than promoting the reduction of smoking or drug abuse?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I believe the number of abortions is closer to 800k per year in the US & dropping.

It is different because smoking& drug abuse are damaging to the health of an individual, and are not safe medical procedures.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Repubs could use this training to alleviate their rape confusion.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/632/603/609/?z00m=20526080

Don't you think this would help?

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Stop anti women state laws!

http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=369

Will you support us?

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[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It's not death if you ain't alive. Only right wing wacko christian fundamental cases think life begins at conception.

Rape victims should not be forced to carry their rapists baby because of some politicians religious extremism.

Time to put the bronze age fairy tales to bed and grow up. It's the 21st century. Religion is fake. And god is dead!

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[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Are you anti-science?

Every medical school in the US teaches that human life begins at conception.

"Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

"Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote."

T.W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.

"[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being."

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're quotes prove my point. It is only the "beginning of developement"

Life begins at birth, but we do not allow abortion in the 3rd trimester.

Scientists are not killing abortion drs, or protesting & traumatizing young pregnant girls trying to get health care.

Repub Mourdock didn't mention science, he mentioned the rapists baby was a gift from god!

This ain't about science! That's you dishonestly (bearing false witness) twisting the issue.

It's religious wacko fanatics trying to impose their bronze age subjugation theology of women on everyone.

Barbaric.

Religion is fake, god is dead

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Finally we agree. Conception is the beginning of the developing human life; much in the same way as an infant develops into a toddler. It is settled science that human life begins at conception and I am glad that you agree. It would be sad to think that you were anti-science. It would be unfortunate if you argued with the scientific consensus.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you think if you say I agree with you, it means I agree with you? LMFAO.

Sounds like you might be one of those blind followers who disregard thetruth when it conflicts with your belief.

You do not speak for me! Human life begins at birth, I support abortion in the1st & 2nd trimester. You're evidence asserts that science states that the development of human life begins at conception.

Whatever. Life begins at birth.

Religion is fake! god is dead!

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well if you want to go there - then the studies should indicate that sperm is alive and that eggs are alive - and then the right to life argument has to include the improper use of sperm ( ejaculate ) when it is not used for the specific purpose of creating a child - further that every egg that is not attempted to be fertilized prior to the completion of a menstrual cycle is also misused. Insane?

Leave it to the women who are affected to make their own decisions.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Don't laugh, The catholic church was against masturbation because of the waste of the sperm.

If you say it too loud they might resurrect those rules. But somehow since it would be rules against men I suspect the right wingers might not be much interested.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

R U kidding? Those Men(?) who want to control women would go ape shit if someone tried to control them.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

True that. they are transparent, just wanna control women.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Why are you arguing with settled science?

Every medical school in the US teaches that human life begins at conception.

"Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." "A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)." Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2. "Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote." T.W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11. "[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being." Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Life is present prior to conception - or conception would not be possible. So any sex that does not go for the express purpose of having a child is wrongful death. Right??? Isn't that where you are going with your argument?

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Not true. Not every sperm or every egg results in pregnancy. In anyone.

[+] -5 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Not human life. Every medical school in the US teaches that human life begins at conception. That is the settled science. Why are you so anti-science?

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am not anti-science - but if you want to be precise - then current science is not complete as it does not go back far enough - as life is present in the elements that go into making a child - sperm and eggs are each alive and a part of a human life - and needed one to one to complete a new cycle.

So again going to your argument - you should be arguing that all sex that does not go towards the creation of a child - is wrongful death of millions of sperm and of an egg if there is a woman involved in the sex act that is not intended for reproduction or if sex is avoided during ovulation.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

You mean that the current scientists are not precise? I thought that when scientists reach a consensus we are admonished to argue with them about matters of settled science.

Scientists tell us that the sperm is not a developing human being. The ova is not a developing human being. Only after fertilization does human life begin.

Why are you so anti-science?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - R U a Woman?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

It is not always possible to keep the whole of the tribe on the reservation.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

My my my - you took an awful long time ( 1 day ) to think up that non reply.

Again - R U a Woman?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I am not anti-science. I am trying to add some clarity/completeness to your argument of life.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

The scientists agree that human life begins at conception. That is the consensus. Why do you deny settled science? Are you also a global warming denier?

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I love it. The science on this one IS settled. But of course that doesn't support his argument so in THIS case, the scientists must be ignored.

[-] -3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

The scientists agree that human life begins at conception. That is the consensus. Why do you deny settled science? Are you also a global warming denier?

There are 42 million abortions worldwide each year (80 per minute). They happen disproportionately to the poor, minorities, and women. Almost 1/3 of the children are aborted simply because they are girls. This practice takes place because women are commonly discriminated against in the society and less desirable than male offspring. That puts the total number of girls killed each year at 28,000,000.

In the PRC and India a couple may abort several girls before finally conceiving a boy. This grotesque behavior has recently crept into western nations.

Abortion is a racist, sexist, elitist, paternally coerced, and regressive practice than can hardly be considered a progressive value. It is also self-limiting since those that exercise the bizarre practice (coerced or otherwise) are quickly aborting themselves out of the electorate.

Don’t you think this at least deserves a public service announcement discouraging the practice along with littering, insurance fraud, and consumption of large sweetened soft drinks?

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Pressure by reasonable people finally forces an extremist law to be shelved. There may be hope for the repub party!

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/11/heartbeat_bill_and_defunding_o.html

Be reasonable with the rest of us. Support womens rights.

[-] -3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Slaughtering our fellow human beings is not reasonable.

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Good thing we don't do that.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - does your comment mean that you are against contraceptives? Because isn't the use of some contraceptives actually killing fertilized eggs? But also isn't the use of a contraceptive - making having sex a bad thing? Something unnatural as it is not being done for the creation of life? Yeah China certainly is fucked-up - R those women being given a choice? I don't think so.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Contraceptives are are great idea to avoid fertilization.

What do you do about the 28,000,000 million girls that are killed because fathers want sons?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Free the Chinese women to make their own decisions. Again you skip over a fact - contraceptives killing fertilized eggs. Apparently in your world - there are different definitions of death and or killing - and the ones you choose are ok.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

By definition a drug (or other device) that kills a fertilized egg is not a contraceptive. It is an abortifacient.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So - again - R U a Woman who wants to be owned and dominated? Or R U a Man that wants to own and dominate?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Are there other options that you can imagine? Think, but try to be free of prejudice. The answer is logical, not political.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What? U are fixed and can not get pregnant or get someone pregnant - and so you do not care - and R then just being a general douche?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

R U a Woman? Is this too difficult a question for you to answer?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Think. Why would it be difficult?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U R not answering the question. Why?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

You answered it above. Think harder. Take off the blinders.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

What? That you would like to apply to be one of mittens wives/property/slaves? Or you want to be like mittens and control women and have lots of wives/property/slaves?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

You are missing the obvious.

You think of everything in terms of your personal bias, that is why you fail to understand those that don't think the way you believe they should.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - in case you are confused.

If I were a woman - I would want the choice of whether or not I was gonna have a child and I would not want someone else telling me what I could or couldn't do with my body..

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm looking in the mirror as that thought crossed your mind? Fingers got away from your distracted control?

[-] -3 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Who makes the decisions on behalf of the baby that is also affected? Is that "life" not also a "victim" of the same crime?

Let me ask you this-if a gunman shoots and kills a pregnant woman, should they stand trial for one death or two?

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Bitsy - what do you think? Are you OK with not having control over your body?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

You mean like having the government tell me how much salt I can eat or how much soda I can drink?

Again. It's not as simple as having control over my body. Being raped is having someone else control your body by force. Killing a resulting child is controlling someone else's body by force. Except if you classify it as "not alive" then you can feel perfectly fine about it I guess.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

If I have lung cancer an the doctor has to remove my lung, he is killing my alive lung.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Not sure what your point is.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

life may be in a lung or egg or fetus - and morally you can decide what you want to do with your egg or lung or fetus
BUT NOT MINE

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I'm fine with what you do with your egg or lung or fetus. Just don't try to convince me your eggs or lungs or fetuses are just "tissue" that really aren't important or alive or worth saving.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

force Obama to take the next step on equal pay

http://www.capwiz.com/aauw/issues/alert/?alertid=62576401&type=PR

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

convince the supreme court it was wrong,
or vote for willard and he will get it done

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Why is the supreme court so anti-science? Why do they defy the consensus of modern scientific thought?

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

they do what they are told and what they are taught
feed the R beast that wants t o privatize they world & own everything

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Let me ask you this....if you plant a seed that begins to sprout-is it "alive" or not? Does it only become "alive" once it's a tree? Or is it a "living thing" as soon as it germinates? "LIFE" is contained within an unsprouted SEED even before it's fertilized.

[-] 7 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

People are not seeds and women don't have to carry the seeds until they become trees.

LOL. Whatta joke. False comparison. Wanna try again?

Why don't you use the argument that your repubs use. "It's a gift from god" LMFAO.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

The question was about how you define "life". Stop putting words in other people's mouths and pretending to be credible when you do it.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I didn't put words in anyones mouth. I gave you Mourdocks quote.

Human life does not begin at conception! Human life begins at birth! But I'm ok with no abortion in the 3rd trimester.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

You're right. It's MOURDOCKS quote. Not mine. And his argument is not mine either. If someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't automatically mean they believe the extreme polar opposite of you. You understand that concept right?

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You ain't disagreed with it right? Did you denounce him or any of thewacko repubs who dare to get involved with a rape victim?

NO!

You're defending the concept.

give it up. You support that neanderthal misogynist position.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I'm defending HIS RIGHT to believe that concept as much as I defend YOUR RIGHT to believe your own concepts. He has as much right to think and speak freely as YOU do, no matter how offensive or stupid his words, are yours, might be to someone else.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why are you defending his right to believe what he does. I ain't threatening that right. No body said he ain't allowed to believe it. Nobody says he ain't allowed to say it.

The objection is that we disagree. We think it is wrong for him to apply his religious views to prevent a rape victim from aborting her rapists fetus.

They can believe and say what they want.

But as a legislator he would have power to affect women and so we must be sure everyone knows what he believes and the threat it poses.

[-] 1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

Freedom of conscience is a rather personal matter. And this is exactly what this is about - conscience.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And if wants to be a Senator it is good heexpress himself so the people knows that he is a right wing wacko religious extremist who would try to make rape victims carry their rapists fetus.

Personal & public matter.

Peace

[-] -3 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

"her rapist's baby"??? I thought it wasn't a person.....

Or maybe you're just a racist? Look and see where our current "legislation" has taken us and then tell me it doesn't pose a threat or have the power to affect our society...

"In recent years, abortion has been the leading cause of death for blacks, according to data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for 2005, the latest year for which the abortion numbers are available. For blacks, abortion has surpassed HIV-AIDS, violent crime, accidents, heart disease and cancer combined as the cause of death."

"In 2004, there were also 427 abortions for every 1,000 black births, compared with 161 per 1,000 for whites and 211 per 1,000 for Hispanics. Thirty-seven percent of black pregnancies ended in abortion, and while black women only make up 13 percent of the population, they account for 38 percent of all abortions. Approximately 1,275 black babies are killed every day in America."

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/anniversary-132358-recently-black.html#ixzz2ARa3KcFR

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You've lost all sense of reality.

I fixed your nitpicking technicality from above. Ok?

And what isthe point ofall the race related abortion stats.

I believe abortion should be a womens choice, not the govt, or the church. Any Politician who is rape confused or wants to control the abortion decision should not be elected.

[-] 1 points by Brython (-146) 1 year ago

You're wasting your time; he's a mod here working for the party; if he doesn't ban you outright, he'll post without a reply link, allowing him the last word. And, he's a really SICK individual.

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Action Alert: Join equal pay chat

http://www.offthesidelines.org/equalpaychat

Spread the word

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Anti women repubs in ND.

http://www.care2.com/causes/north-dakota-tries-to-ban-abortions-before-most-women-even-know-they-are-pregnant.html

Lets agree to stop this anti women rights violation.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Incoherent article. If the fetal heartbeat can be detected is pregnancy not then verified?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is an outrageous attack on the civil rights of women.

Like the anti women Right Wing wacko repubs in Ark.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/arkansas-abortion-law_n_2833244.html

You understand. You just disagree.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

BTW, have you not written that you oppose late term abortions and abortions done solely for sex selection (aborting girls)?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Why?

I support a womens right to choose. And I fight all efforts by the right wing wacko religious fundamental case repubs who have ratcheted up their war on women's civil rights.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Well, I am curious about why you oppose some abortions and not others. Is it a moral issue? Does the child achieve a rights status after viability?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I support a womens right to choose. And I fight all efforts by the right wing wacko religious fundamental case repubs who have ratcheted up their war on women's civil rights.

How about you?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I do not believe abortion should be illegal. I also believe that a more honest discussion can be had if the euphemisms were dropped.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Which euphamism do you want to drop.?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

All of them. Don't be afraid to say what you mean.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

That is meaningless. If you truly want to progress in dropping euphemisms please specify.

I will express my opinion and join with you if possible.

[-] -3 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I did not write that I disagree, I wrote that the article in not coherent.

If the fetal heartbeat can be detected is pregnancy not then verified? Clearly there is a pregnancy test that is effective prior to six weeks post conception.

I have written many times that I do not support laws banning abortion.

Abortion should be so morally abhorrent that it is unthinkable.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is an outrageous attack on the civil rights of women.

Like the anti women Right Wing wacko repubs in Kansas!!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/20/1748841/kansas-omnibus-abortion/

You understand the article and the attack! You just disagree with those fighting against these anti women right wing wacko repubs.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I don't disagree with them; the argument in the article is just nonsensical.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This is nonsensical & outrageous

More right wing wacko anti women repub attacks on womens civil rights.

http://www.newshounds.us/20130318_bill_o_reilly_attacks_late_term_abortions_women_who_have_them

FOX : the anti women Repub PR machine.

THAT is nonsensical.

Support women! fight the repub war on women !

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/19/fox-guest-pushes-debunked-link-between-abortion/193139

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I don't disagree with you. How can I make that more clear?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Great. Stop criticizing the article that is illustrating the repub attack on womens civil rights.

Or don't. continue criticizing the article focusing on some pedantic meaningless detail, refuse to state you are against the attacks on womens rights in ND, ARK, Kansas, on FOX.

And then ask me to state I oppose certain abortions.

Yeah we don't disagree, Riiiiiiiight!

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

As much as you may not like it in many places Republicans are the Gov.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Republicans are not necessarily the problem in and of themselves

It is the right wing wacko religious fundamental case republicans that are the problem.

I thought I made that clear about a dozen times already.

Which euphemism do you wanna drop.?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

How about getting rid of euphemisms like:

  • right to life

  • right to choose

  • reproductive heath

etc

Write what you mean.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Seems a little pedantic and off topic to discuss terminology, but I've used a womens right to choose (abortion) because I mean it.

I can add abortion to the statement to make it non euphemistic, but I think there are bigger issues to discuss beyond the terminology so i can agree for the sake of forwarding the discussion.

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

You brought up the issue. Are you trying to pick a fight or do you want my opinion about the article?

Truth is the article presents a dumb argument to promote the cause. Stupidity is unfortunately fully represented on both sides of this issue.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You focus on meaningless pedantic detail of the article in a weak effort to deflect from the main issue.

More right wing wacko religious fundamental case repubs attacking the civil rights of women. That I will discuss.

So That is the issue, That is the point, that is what you avoid with this silly deflection.

If that's what you want to discuss I will send you more proof of the right wing wacko religious fundamental case repubs war on womens civil rights.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Even Missouri.!!!

http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/News2?abbr=daily2_&page=NewsArticle&id=38602&security=1201&news_iv_ctrl=-1

Not generally a fan of giving people free stuff. Condoms cost $ 0.50 a piece and can be had for free from many sources. People ought to take a little responsibility.

http://www.undercovercondoms.com/Product/Types/Discount-Condoms/18/Discount-Condoms.html

http://dctakesonhiv.com/free_condoms

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And watch those misogynist low lifes in PA as well!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/next-war-on-woman-front-pennsylvania-governor-race-88710.html

Support our efforts against these anti women politicians.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Good for you.

Thx for all your good posts

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Look, I believe that aborting a child is immoral, but I don't want the Gov passing laws against it. Why? Because it is clearly a case of the clash of rights between two human beings.

Based on your writings in the past I believe that you share that opinion, at least in the case of late term abortions or abortion for sex selection.

The Gov can't collect the garbage properly, why should we trust them to resolve such a difficult issue?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It ain't "the gov"! It is right wing wacko religious fundamental case republicans.

Your unwillingness to identify, verbalize and denounce specifically the pols perpetrating this attack on womens civil rights is a big part of our disagreement.

[-] 0 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

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[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Exactly.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Your article was updated-13. ALL candidates are allowed to have their own personal feelings on every issue aren't they? How DARE they think or feel differently than YOU do!!!

Thing is, those 13 people will be forced to work with other legislators who feel differently, so what are the odds that this 13 or even 40 would be able to pass legislation that enacted their beliefs?

[-] 7 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The chances are too great! No victim of rape should ever be forced to carry their rapists baby because of some white old mans religious extremism. (or any reason)

You are accepting of their extremist ideology because you are a blind follower of the right wing christian fundamental cases?

[-] -3 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

If you have enough faith in the American people (and I don't mean religious faith) to believe that they can or will be won over to your cause at some point in the future, then you must also have the faith to believe that they would NOT let such legislation stand.

I don't accept their "extremest ideology" any more than I accept YOUR extremist ideology. I form my own opinions and allow others to do the same thing. It's called tolerance.

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

THIS is the American people standing against anti women politicians so we can prevent the misogynistic legislation/court appointments that would come.

We gotta wait and see? Let's just not elect anyone who still believes in bronze age fairytales that subjugate women!

seperation of church & state!

Religion is fake, god is dead!

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I say we just cut off the penis off a couple of convicted rapists and see how much of a problem we have after that? If you were TRULY PRO-woman, you'd be finding a way to prevent the crime against them all together.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I do not officially support mutilation as punishment for rapists.

And how do you know I am not finding ways to prevent rape?

Have you changed the subject because you've been smoked again?

LOL

'sok. I understand.

Peace! Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Why not? Should they not be traumatized just as equally as they traumatized their victims? Wouldn't that be equal justice? Wouldn't that in fact DETER many men from doing anything even remotely close to being construed as "rape"?

Face the facts, people don't care as much about a woman's right NOT to be raped as they do about a woman's right to get rid of the baby that might be conceived during a rape. They seem to feel it's "pro" woman" to be "pro abortion"-as if an abortion someone makes up for or cancels out the fact that she was raped in the first place. How about being ANTI rapist for a change?

[-] 7 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Your reaching. I am of course anti rapist. And I am pro CHOICE not pro abortion.

In fact I think women who go through abortion have to deal with real stress & difficulty so I much rather it be rare.

Women should choose whether to abortion not politicians who are basing their opinions on bronze age fairytales.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I agree that the woman should choose. But I also think she should be aware that she's also choosing for someone else who is completely innocent as well.

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Who? Not the fetus. It ain't a person yet.

And certainly she ain't gotta care about therapist father does she?

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I can respect YOUR opinion that a fetus "isn't a person". Can you respect my view that it is? Or is that beyond your liberal tolerance levels?

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I can respect & accept that you hold that opinion. I cannot agree.

Peace, Let's agree women should choose, not the govt, & not the church.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

^defends and endorses killing Anwar's kid

[-] 6 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Anwar Al Awlaki was a sworn enemy of America. He was tried in the court of public opinion, I though he was tried in military court in absentia, Certainly I believe he was guilty, so his death in our war on terror (which I am against) was expected by both sides. No?

We tried to capture him but he didn't cooperate. He knew we were gonna drone bomb him. He used his young adult son as a human shield I don't think we knew that Al Awlaki was using his son as a human shield.

And didn't Al Awlaki train his son to be a militant enemy of America? Who thought we wouldn't kill our enemies.

I don't quite understand you're objection. Is it the lack of trial? Is it his American citizenship? I mean we kill our enemies (whatever nationality) without trial all the time for decades.

Are you against killing our enemies, and the war on terror?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Identify! Just look for the Rs
but don't smell what comes out of the Rs

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Can't be easier than that. Even as they rebrand they are obviously anti women, anti labor, anti immigrant, anti gay, anti minority, anti greentech, anti stimulus,

Outrageous

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Texas occupiers take action to support women!

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/15315/the-texas-gop-platform-is-antiwomen

Protest, Vote! Repeat!

fyi & abump

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

Can you name any elected republican MAN in Washington that has not cast a majority of their votes on womens issue as "anti-woman" ?
And there are hundreds of elected state legislators that fit this too . How can any woman vote for this dreck?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It is a mystery to me. Same with log cabin republicans and frederick douglass repubs, even middle class repubs are voting against their own interests.

It is ignorance, brainwashing, or something. beats me.

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

Other issues to consider when voting

http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/

We repor, You decide

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5850) 1 year ago

In Oakland, Mercado Chain Workers Protest Alleged Sexual Harassment, Firings

Monday, 25 February 2013 00:00 By David Bacon, Truthout | Report

http://truth-out.org/news/item/14751-in-oakland-mercado-chain-workers-protest-sexual-harassment-firings

Valentine's Day sometimes brings chocolates and flowers, but in Oakland, California, it brought angry women out to the Mi Pueblo supermarket in the heart of the barrio. There they tried to speak to the chain's owner, Juvenal Chavez, not about love, but about the sexual harassment of women and the firing of whistleblowers who work at the chain.

As they gathered next to the parking lot holding pink placards, Latino families in pickup trucks and beat-up cars honked and waved. Laura Robledo then stepped up to an impromptu podium and told her story. As she spoke, her teenage daughter held her protectively around the waist and stared angrily at the doorway, where managers stood waiting for trouble.

Robledo used to work at the Mi Pueblo market in San Jose. She lost her job when she complained to the company that she'd been sexually harassed by a coworker. "I had two witnesses who heard everything he said," she recalled. "The words were so low and degrading it was horrible just to hear them. He even tried by force to kiss and embrace me."

So she complained to the company. That was unusual, because workers at the markets who complain about intimidation by managers subsequently lose their jobs, according to the protesters. Fear at Mi Pueblo has been high since last August, when the company announced it was using the E-Verify database to check employees' immigration status. Then in October, company lawyer Julie Pace said the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency was auditing Mi Pueblo's personnel records. Almost all the chain's workers are immigrants.

In each store, employees were herded into meetings, where they were shown a video in which Chavez told them that if their immigration status was questioned, they would be fired. "The possibility of losing one of our employees will hurt my heart," he assured them. "And it will feel like losing a family member." When Robledo went to the company to report the harassment, however, she says it didn't feel at all like a family. "They said they'd investigate it," she recounted. "But they did nothing. After two weeks they gave me a letter saying they'd finished their investigation and that nothing had happened and that workers were always treated with respect. For me this was terrible. I felt very humiliated because I could see they didn't respect my rights as a woman."

Robledo was a new employee, having only started working at the store that October. The harassment began almost immediately, she said. Despite getting the letter claiming she had no basis for her charges, she continued working. Robledo is a single mother of three children and couldn't afford to quit.

The company then made that decision for her. "I worked a couple of weeks after getting the letter," she recalled. "Then they accused me of getting into an argument with another worker, which wasn't true. It was just a pretext. They fired me because I kept complaining about sexual harassment. They knew that because I know my rights, and I'm willing to defend myself, that eventually I'd expose the truth." Perla Rodriguez, a spokesperson for Mi Pueblo, would not comment on Robledo's case "for legal reasons," but she said that workers participate in mandatory courses in preventing sexual harassment. "We have all the policies and procedures in place that afford all our team members the opportunity to report any incident or concern so that our human resources department can investigate and take any corrective action that is necessary."

As the Valentine's Day crowd grew, Robledo, with her daughter beside her, led a group of some 100 coworkers and supporters through the parking lot, to the doors of the supermarket. There they found that beefy security guards had closed them. They stood in front glaring at the women, who chanted and shook the pink placards and the carnations they'd handed out as an ironic comment on the Day of Love at Mi Pueblo.

Robledo tried to explain that she was just there to give a letter to the store manager, asking for a meeting with Juvenal Chavez. The letter protested the injustice of her firing, while her alleged harasser continues to work. "Every Sunday," it said, "during your radio program, we hear you saying that Mi Pueblo is a safe and dignifying place to shop and work. But the reality is that we are under a lot of pressure to make sure your company achieves its weekly and yearly sales goals. As a result, we suffer accidents and stress levels skyrocket."

She pointed out that while each employee produces an average of $125,000 in annual sales, "many of us depend on subsidized public programs to make ends meet." After asking to meet with him directly, the letter condemned the immigration enforcement actions against workers and asked Chavez to sign the Mercado code of conduct. The code is the creation of the Mercado Workers Association, set up with the help of Local 5 of the United Food and Commercial Workers to pressure for better conditions in the Mexican food stores proliferating across northern California. The UFCW estimates that there are about 7,000 mercados nationally, which it defines as stores catering specifically to Latino and Asian neighborhoods. They employ about 300,000 workers throughout the country and about 30,000 in California.

Mi Pueblo, with 13 stores and 2,500 employees, is hardly the largest. That distinction belongs to Ranch 99 Supermarkets, with 31 stores in Asian communities and Gonzalez/NorthGate Mercados, with 30 markets in Latino neighborhoods.

The code's demands include obeying wage and hour laws; providing regular paychecks, two days of sick leave and a five-day vacation after a year; fair advertising and business standards; and the right to organize and protest unfair conditions. Most important to Robledo, she said, is that it reads, "The Employer will not discharge or retaliate against any employee for the filing of a complaint over the enforcement of this Code or for filing a complaint with a government agency over violations of legally mandated workplace standards or rights."

"I support the union effort at the stores," Robledo said. "Many people don't know their rights or how to defend themselves. If I'd had a union, it would have made a real difference because it would have supported me. I would have been able to count on someone." Along with Local 5 members in the Valentine's Day protest were members of a local coalition called Dignity and Resistance. Speaking for it was Ana Castaño, who told the crowd about her own experience getting fired in an immigration document audit at the Pacific Steel Castings foundry in Berkeley a year before. "What we learned," she said, "is that we have to have a voice. Firing us for not having papers, or firing Laura for protesting sexual harassment, it's all unjust. We can only stop it if we speak out, instead of being afraid."

Juvenal Chavez, if he was in the store, never came out to confront his critics. The guards maintained their vigil, even though keeping the doors closed meant turning away customers. Finally, Robledo laid her letter down on the pavement in front of the entrance and placed her pink carnations on top of it. One by one, the other women added their flowers to the bunch.

The only one who didn't was Robledo's daughter. "I'm really angry at them," she declared. "I'm not going to give them any flowers." She said her mother made her feel proud. "I think she's really brave to stand up for her rights."

As she got into the van to leave, Robledo said she'd be back. "I'm here to get justice about what was done to me," she said. "I've tried to give Juvenal Chavez my letter three times, and he's never been willing to receive it. I will continue what I'm doing until I get justice."

[-] 1 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

Vote out all pedophile dems and libs

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[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

come on, it simple

the anti-choice movement is primarily based on religion - Christianity mostly

popes hate birth control and abortion because they want more catholics
protestants - ditto - because they are afraid of sex
there is nothing in the bible about birth control or abortion -
but they brainwash their children to believe this crap


if you want to see them squirm and slither ask any one of them -
if the penalty for pre-meditated murder is life in prison,
then a woman who chooses an abortion gets life in prison ?


in life, there are many deeply personal decisions -
it is MY decision - not yours - or your religion's - or your political party's


FYI no taxpayer money goes to pay for abortions [ but it should ]

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Religion is a big problem in this issue and others,obviously. I say time to put those fairytales aside. And BTW let's start taxing churchs.

[-] 2 points by owsarmy (271) 1 year ago

Even the republican women are against pro women laws.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/deb-fischer-vawa_n_2617388.html?ref=topbar

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Even the republican women are against pro women laws.

Stockholm syndrome?

[-] 1 points by owsarmy (271) 1 year ago

Just the wrong ideology.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26700) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Just figured she must be identifying with the abusers.

[-] 1 points by owsarmy (271) 1 year ago

possibly but since her party ideology has staked out the anti vawa position I think she is just towing th party ideology. the anti 99% ideology. the wrong ideology.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

kick out anti women republicans

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Antiquated moronic asses.

Don't want an abortion? Don't have one.

To date-we still have the 9th amendment. Outside of that, if you don't like it get a fucking amendment or sit down and shut the fuck up.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

They need a good beating!

[-] 0 points by andover4 (-33) 1 year ago

abortion should be a 10th amendment issue, not a federal one AND it should not be funded with taxpayer dollars.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

conservative talking points?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

9th amendment, honey, and if you don't like it........what do you have to do?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

As a man, I have no opinion on the abortion issue. I'm just some guy, nothing more.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

But you have a mother, grandmother, maybe wife, daughter, sister, niece, female co workers, You have women on the street, right?

You know there is a thing called women. Yes. So get off the fuckin fence and stand against the rape confused republicans who are warring against our women.

No opinion? You gotta fuckin be kidding me.

[-] 1 points by andover4 (-33) 1 year ago

as a human being you have every right to an opinion about abortion.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I have a right not to have an opinion.

[-] -1 points by kendallone (-28) 1 year ago

The REAL war on women is being executed by Demonrats and their lapdog,brown nose media. The DailyKos for example. Everything the Demonrats say is all bullshit and propaganda,anything to further their agenda regardless of the consequences.

"Recently, Colorado Democrat Jessie Uliberri argued people should defend themselves against a madman shooter with.... ballpoint pens.

Two things wrong with this. The first being that Uliberri argues people should waiting until a crazy person reloads before taking action, or in other words, wait until they are done shooting people. The use of a firearm for defense in this case wouldn't require a waiting period but rather would stop a madman from continuing his rampage. The second, ballpoint pens? Really? I was always told not to take a ballpoint pen to a gunfight."

"Colorado Democratic Rep. Joe Salazar argued that call boxes and whistles were sufficient enough to protect women from rape."

Joe Salazar: ""There are some gender inequities on college campuses, this is true and universities have been faced with that situation for a long time. It's why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, that's why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at. And you don’t know if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around or if you feel like you’re in trouble and when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop — pop a round at somebody.”

That's right ladies, this democratic man knows better than you when it comes to how you feel about maybe getting raped. You don't really know how you feel about that creep following you home after class and don't worry, a call box will save you. Also, the potential rapist will totally respect that you're in a "safe-zone" and leave you alone.

But Salazar's comments aren't far off the mark when it comes to liberal self defense policies on college campuses in Colorado. The University of Colorado-Colorado Springs has a similar policy for avoiding rape:

"What To Do If You Are Attacked: Demonrats advice:

These tips are designed to help you protect yourself on campus, in town, at your home, or while you travel. These are preventative tips and are designed to instruct you in crime prevention tactics.

Be realistic about your ability to protect yourself. Your instinct may be to scream, go ahead! It may startle your attacker and give you an opportunity to run away. Kick off your shoes if you have time and can't run in them. Don't take time to look back; just get away. If your life is in danger, passive resistance may be your best defense. Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating. Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone. Yelling, hitting or biting may give you a chance to escape, do it! Understand that some actions on your part might lead to more harm. Remember, every emergency situation is different. Only you can decide which action is most appropriate."

"Yes, you read that correctly. The university recommends women tell attackers they have a disease, are menstruating, to scream, bite, hit, run away or allow rape to occur through "passive resistance." "

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Let's retire all Pols(Dem & Rep) who are responsible for this obscenity against women.

http://reproductiverights.org/en/press-room/mississippi-abortion-last-clinic-documentary-jackson

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

You're entitled to your opinion, your evidence is weak and more opinion This post includes many details of current laws republicans are using to attack womens rights.

So retire the politicians you mentioned nd any that are guilty of anti women acts.

I'm ok with that.

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Spam!!!

[-] -1 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

No, an OFA operative.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

it was removed so the result is acceptable.

OFA?

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

OFA ,..was obama for americca, than organizing for america, now organizing for action. still an arm of the obama administration.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Oh right. A superpac. How skeezy is that? What issues are they supporting/pushing.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I heard about that money making scheme.

What issues are they supporting/pushing?

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Whatever the guy's giving them half a mil tell them to push.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah. LOL.

What issues are they?

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Not sure. I'll tell you when i get back from the next quarterly meeting.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/common-cause-obama-shut-down-organizing-for-action

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I guess it doesn't matter what issues they support. If it's related to Obama it must be bashed.

Right?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Do you associate with war criminals in other aspects of your life? Or just in politics?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're not gonna tell me the war criminals you accuse me of associating with?.

Please provide the proof of my association as well please.

I suppose you're just throwing bombs to divide without any rhyme , reason, true or not.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

What war criminals am I associating with? That's a pretty serious accusation I'm sure you have proof.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"I guess it doesn't matter what issues they support. If it's related to Obama it must be bashed. Right?"

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

No.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I lost interest about their causes after I read about them selling access to the President of the United States. That's kind of a big deal.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah. Who cares what there gonna use the money for. And how they are gonna use the largest campaign-to-superpac grass roots organization in history.

That ain't important, only the facts we can use to bash them is important.

Say if we are against them, does it make any sense to know what issues they are focusing on so that we can counter them?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"Obama is not the first president who will trade face time for big bucks. Buying and selling access is a long bipartisan tradition in American politics. "

And as usual, the evidence is overwhelming against both parties and their sick history.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're article proves my contention that the inflation rate includes food. although your article is for the UK. Got a list for the US? Did we take out chicken from the 700 item basket?

Had to respond here, no reply. This thread is about anti women politicians, care to comment on that topic?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/13/inflation-basket-goods-2012-full-list

Theres a reason they took out chicken.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Here is an interesting breakdown, hard to find that on the internet.

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/pricebasket.html

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Again, proof of my contention that there is lots of food in the basket.

And please be clear. I am not saying the basket, or the process of determining inflation, or the inflation number is more or less accurate than it has ever been.

It is simply another govt number fudged like the rest of them.

All I've said in this thread (about anti women politicians) is that it does include food, and the number is at historic lows.

your unsourced chart doesn't challenge any of that. So do we agree?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Many think that without the bailouts, we would be in a massive deflationary period. I cant speak for the entire country, but I can say that every fixed cost in my life is up. The problem with determining the rate in regards to history is that 3% is considered ok, and 6% is considered outrageous.

Thats a very small mathetical difference in regards to dollars. Is that can of coke that was $1.00 last year now 1.03 or 1.06? Very small difference.

So are my bills up only 3% this year, or 6%? Very tough to calculate that.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well I remember the 70's and we had inflation close to 14%. Currently my home heating bill is way down. (Nat gas)

I think inflation is gonna be a massive problem. Unless something is done to stop it. But today it just isn't an issue, I could tell because I remember how it was when it was bad.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're not gonna tell me the war criminals you accuse me of associating with?.

Please provide the proof of my association as well please.

I suppose you're just throwing bombs to divide without any rhyme , reason, true or not.

[-] -3 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

Everything on the obama agenda.they say they are non partisan but they tell you go to the barck obama website to find out about their events. The are against the sequester but refuse to admit that its an obama plan , pushed through by a dem controlled congess and senate in 2009

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

That makes sense they are clearly a partisan Obama org. (law says they gotta be issue oriented non partisan, whatta joke)

Sequester was an agreement between Obama and Boehner in 2011.

How does it matter that Obama proposed it if both parties approved it.?

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

an obama plan

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Sequester deal was passed in 2011 with Boehner.

[-] -1 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

O.K. BUT the plan was obama s, boehner called barry's bluff. and bary is now blaming all the phoney cuts ( more is being spent than last year but at a lesser rate ) on the sequester which was obamas plan to begin with

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

What does it matter who proposed it when both parties approved and put their names on it.

Didn't Boehner WANT the all the cuts (except defense cuts) and didn't Boehner say he got 98% of what he wanted.?

And didn't they all say they created sequester so that the senseless cuts would force them to make a logical deal.?

[-] -3 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

The are not cuts, they are more than was spent in previous " budgets;"just less than was asked for. There were No cuts.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

My response that you are mistaken was referring to your contention that food is not included in inflation rate. This might help you understand.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/core-finance/inflation-tutorial/inflation-basics-tutorial/v/inflation-data

However you ARE also mistaken regarding thr cuts in the sequestration, but we had that discussion yesterday.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

The all-items inflation rate represents everything people spend money on: haircuts, plane tickets, medical care, clothes -- you name it. But, that number is puffed up by the pesky necessities -- food and energy. So those two categories are discarded when calculating the core inflation rate.

Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/is-inflation-higher-than-you-think-1.aspx#ixzz2OlPxr3wZ Follow us: @Bankrate on Twitter | Bankrate on Facebook

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

the CPI inflation rate does NOT include the price of food.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Decreases in spending is not a cut. Its political bullshit for the masses.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are mistaken.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

Originally a legal term referring generally to the act of valuable property being taken into custody by an agent of the court and locked away for safekeeping, usually to prevent the property from being disposed of or abused before a dispute over its ownership can be resolved. But the term has been adapted by Congress in more recent years to describe a new fiscal policy procedure originally provided for in the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985 -- an effort to reform Congressional voting procedures so as to make the size of the Federal government's budget deficit a matter of conscious choice rather than simply the arithmetical outcome of a decentralized appropriations process in which no one ever looked at the cumulative results until it was too late to change them. If the dozen or so appropriation bills passed separately by Congress provide for total government spending in excess of the limits Congress earlier laid down for itself in the annual Budget Resolution, and if Congress cannot agree on ways to cut back the total (or does not pass a new, higher Budget Resolution), then an "automatic" form of spending cutback takes place. This automatic spending cut is what is called "sequestration."

yet another misnomer used by politics to obscure the issue at hand

like austerity

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

no, dearie, you are , you have no understanding of sequestration.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

there are 700 items in the inflation basket. Food is absolutely in there.

My nat gas heat is lower than ever. Gasoline is high because of corrupt oil companies.

We do need to raise wages that would help people manage any inflation we are facing.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

food is not included

inflation seems to be a luxury index for luxury incomes

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

food is NOT included in the inflation rate,............. hard goods are. a flat tv is much cheaper now then when they first came out. a cucumber around here $1.00 a piece, zucchini are over $3.00 per lb. cheap coffee is $ 4.00 lb. etc.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Corps ain't hiring because of low demand caused by high unemployment, stagnating wages (30 years), high personal debt.

Inflation is at historic lows, food is absolutely in inflation rate basket.

So in addition to thesolutions I already listed we should force banks (as punishment for crashing the world economy) to abolish 50% of all working class people cr card debt principle, eliminate high fees, & penalties, and cut all high cr card rates to 9%.

That'll do it.

[-] 0 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

inflation is high,.........the govt chooses not to include the cost of energy ( gas and electric) and food in the inflation rate. the cost food is NOT included in the inflation rate.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We do not have a spending crises, we have an unemployment crises which has created a tax revenue shortfall.

Spending is increasing slower than anytime in decades, and is currently at at a decent percent to GDP.

Spending of course increases just as the population increases, and inflation increases. Sorry unavoidable.

The only answer is to disregard the libertarian fear mongering about the deficit, raise taxes on the wealthy, cut the military budget, cut waste, fraud & abuse, raise minimum wage, spend on job creation, to spur economic growth, and increase tax revenue.

"That is the only way to be sure"

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

the govt is spending more money than it has,.................. everyday the govt racks up 2 more bil in debt.you are so confused,...............people ( companies ) are not hiring because 0f obamacare and the costs that come to the employer with that burden. people have no money to spend on resturants, vacations, extra clothes because of the inflation ( food and energy costs are not factored in to the inflation rate) , they have to pay for food , clothing and shelter and the high cost of basic living. Raise the minumun rwage rate and more people will be out of work. You can confiscate all the money that "wealthy " people have and you would be able to run ( fund) the govt for less than 1 month,, thats it !!!........................its a SPENDING problem. Moren money than ever before in tax revenue is going to the federal govt, but the govt is out pacing that rate with its runaway spending.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We are spending less than we have planned/alotted, therefore we have CUT the amount we were planning to spend.

We didn't cut from the amount we spent last year, only what we planned to cut.

I did hear republicans call the sequester a cut. but I disregard oth sides talking points.

Understand now son.?

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

The amount of money to be spent is NOT less than last year. the dems want to spend more money than they spent last year. These are not cuts. if i spent $2000 last year and want to spend $2500 this year but i am told i can only spent $2000, its NOT a cut. same with sequester.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're confused. When we spend less than planned that is a cut.

Try to keep up.

[-] -2 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

we are not spending less than what is already spent. the sequester is about not spending more than what has already been allotted. try to get beyond the dem talking points.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

If we planned to spend $2500 but only spent $2200 then we CUT the amount we were gonna spend.

Understand now?

And whatever we cut means layoffs, slower economic growth, and less tax revenue. Is that what you want genius?

We MUST spend/invest, to add jobs, grow faster, increase tax revenue. Use your head.

No reason to cut. We have an unemployment crises, NOT a deficit/debt crises.

Even your repubs admit this.

http://www.winningprogressive.org/boehner-and-ryans-debt-crisis-flip-flop

[-] -3 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

The $2000 is what you're already spending, you want to spend $2500 ( 500 more) but are told you cannot, that is not a cut. We have a spending crisis,............... the govt keeps spending more than it takes in in revenue ( taxes). they need to spend less.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Do you have any links on what is included? On an item per item basis?

Im not trying to be argumentive, Im honestly looking for one.

[-] -1 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

if food and energy were included in the inflation rate then the govt would have to give raises in the COLA to SS and veterans benefits. the govt would then have to admit there is no recovery and it would further weaken the dollar. The CPI excluded food and energy

[-] -2 points by derain (-178) 1 year ago

ted kennedy, bill clinton, edwards, menendez, jfk, rfk,

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

Anti women dems? Vote 'em out!

[-] -3 points by greysone (-264) 1 year ago

bill clinton, bob menendez, the late ted kennedy,anthony weiner, evie hudak,zerlina maxwell.