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Forum Post: Utah: A state that works and why

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 1:43 p.m. EST by TheRazor (-329)
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Utah has 6% unemployment, a $40000 median wage and growing vibrant economy.

Why?

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

More BS. Actual median wage is $32,000. A growing vibrant economy? 2-3% a year? Not when inflation matches it. Actual growth rate? Zero!

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/53948998-79/utah-percent-wages-median.html.csp

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

The state has less than 3 million people, no large resettlement of immigrants, a fairly homogeneous population. The big dissenters like FLDS have moved to the far south of the state or into Arizona.

The growth rate is large in Utah, but the population is small, so that means the rate seems disproportionately large, because a relatively small number of people make the percentage of growth appear large.

On the other side of the coin as of September, 2011, the median income in Utah had dropped below 1997 levels. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/52585833-90/1997-2010-income-jobs.html.csp Here's a direct quotation: "Now, 14 years later, Utah's median income has dropped below that level. In 2010, it was $56,787, or $1,151 lower than in 1997, according to census data released this week." And the data you present makes the whole picture look awful. Let's do some quick math; in 1997 median income was $56,787, while now, according to you, it's $40,000. That's a drop of $16,787 in 15 years, which amounts to percentage loss of almost 30%. Wow! Looks like things aren't so good in Utah after all. What's gone wrong?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Be very careful with statistics. Therazor's figures were likely for personal wages, yours for household wages. Apples and oranges.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

That is correct; the article I cited clearly stated household income, but I assumed that TheRazor might counter otherwise, so left the details in the article. TheRazor did not specify personal or household median income, only median income.

I carefully pointed out, however, that median income in Utah has drastically declined since 1997. The point is that the people of Utah are struggling just as much as the rest of the country. His/her entire premise was built on misstatement.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

He's probably just a troll doing a single strafing run. Enough to cause a ruckus. Then back up to altitude where he'll change his username and make another quick pass.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

LOL. How true. The trolls and partisans are beginning to control the forum.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

Scary stuff. Freedom of speech, if one agrees with the gubbmint.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The $40,000 median wage sounds too high since the U.S. median is about $26,000. Can you provide your source?

[-] -2 points by funkytown (-374) 1 year ago

Because it's a Mormon state, that's why... and they're one of the most successful religious organizations in the world. All of the things that OWS is advocating, they're already doing within a capitalist framework.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

What do the LDS Church and OWS advocate in common?