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Forum Post: Marine Brandon J. Raub Arrested/Detained for Terrorist Facebook Posts

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 4:31 p.m. EST by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA
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He was arrested or detained Friday evening, August 17, 2012 by the local police, FBI and secret service. It will be interesting to see how this story develops, especially in relation to freedom of speech and the detention provision in the NDAA.

Comments about his arrest from his mother here:

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/place/afghanistan-interview-of-raub-brandons-mother-and-his-arrest-for-facebook-posts-video-JYRivTpLTkY-31-1.html

Links to pics of the actual Facebook posts here:

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR7.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR6.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR5.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR4.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR3.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR2.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/?action=view&current=BR1.jpg

Here is one of Brandon's post's from post BR1.jpg with a prophetic twist.

"The revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it."

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[-] 4 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Here's the latest update about Brandon:

A Chesterfield County man and Marine veteran is in a local hospital after being picked up by federal and local law enforcement officials concerned about threatening Internet postings.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, was in Hopewell’s John Randolph Medical Center on Saturday.

“I’m currently in John Randolph in the psychiatric ward being held against my will,” Raub said in a telephone interview.

Reports of his detention Thursday have gone viral on the Internet.

Raub said Secret Service, FBI and Chesterfield police officers came to his home Thursday. “They were concerned about me calling for the arrest of government officials,” he said.

He was taken to the Chesterfield police station and then to the hospital, he said.

“I talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes,” Raub said. “I was very cooperative and answered everything honestly.

“I really love America, and I think that idea that you can be detained and sent somewhere without due process and a lawyer … is crazy.”

Raub said he has been raising questions about 9/11 and signed a petition to reopen investigation of the terrorist attacks.

On Wednesday, Raub posted on his Facebook page, “The Revolution is here. And I will lead it.”

On Aug. 11, he posted: “I know many of you think I’m going crazy, and are wondering just why I have been posting the things I have been posting. I don’t have the energy to explain. Just know that a new beginning is coming.”

An Aug. 5 post said, “If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take … your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand.”

And on Aug. 4, he posted, “I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to.”

“Our office had received a complaint about threatening posts,” said Dee Rybiski, spokeswoman for the Richmond FBI office. “As we would do in any circumstance such as this, our office along with Chesterfield Police (Department) officers went to interview Mr. Raub.

“The FBI did not arrest him,” Rybiski said. “We are not commenting any further.”

Chesterfield police Lt. Rich McCullough said Saturday, “We were assisting the FBI in a matter. All we did was transport” him to John Randolph for medical evaluation.

According to Secret Service spokesman Max Milien in Washington, “That subject was not arrested by us on any charges.”

Raub said he served in the Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011 and was a combat engineer sergeant with service in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has a home silver numismatic-coin business.

Raub said he does not own a gun.

Article source:

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-chesterfield-man-held-in-hospital-on-conce-ar-2140519/

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

what sick bastard voted you down? zero points? I think they should be in this marine sergeants shoes -

I could show you how . . .

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Who knows. Looks like most everyone was down voted. Doesn't matter. We're not here to amass points, but to make them.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I know - I just thought it was indicative of a major emotional dysfunction that perhaps should be addressed . . .

Behavioral medication does have its uses . . .

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[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

thanks for the updates. I've been following what I can about the story since yesterday.

Not the easiest to find info on. Keep the knowledge coming!

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Sure, probably nothing new until Monday or Tuesday.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Looks like yet another Manchurian Candidate in the making. It remains to be seen if being picked up short circuits the process, or facilitates it.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

What makes you think he's been programmed?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

First we have to distinguish between simply being radicalized and being programmed. Programming comes as a result of repetition - and may often include various forms of both positive and negative reinforcement. The more punishing the negative reinforcement, the more deeply the conditioning may be set.

Radicalization is similar, the differences may be subtle, but in general it is simply a process of pissing someone off - constantly.

Given the utility of the angry white guy syndrome, I include both types of what I consider very very bad behavior under the heading Manchurian Candidate. Strictly speaking, the movie depicts true conditioning, as opposed to simple radicalization. Since I presume it may be difficult to tell the difference today, and since both forms in my view are as a result of that really really bad behavior I assume the use of the term Manchurian Candidate is appropriate.

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. With a more precise understanding of the term, we can now examine telling symptomology:

  • There is a degree of altruism incorporated in his message - as you can see here when he says You deserve to know the truth. He goes on to assert the government is evil, and this represents a significant change in thinking - he did join the military, had he held this opinion of the government at that time then it seems highly unlikely he would have signed up.

    • he insists there is evil planned against us, and that it is great in scope - making such public statements while holding such a belief implies that he is placing himself at some risk in attempting to get the message out.

    • this point should not be understated - especially since it may provide motivation in the future. If he thinks he is taking personal risk, he will be evaluating his encounters with authority to determine if that risk is present during the encounter, or in the future - reception of his message is his primary source of feedback, and will form the basis of his evaluation.

  • He identifies individual portions of federal bureaucracy as complicit in something, and seeks to communicate to them through his FB postings:

    • *Dear men and women in positions of power here may be an indication that he sees a distinction between average government employees and those who are engaged in corruption;
    • within our government, corrupt bureaucrats, corrupt judges and police*
    • and he indicates that he doesn't have time to explain in more depth - possibly indicating a time constraint beyond the norm.
    • He also indicates a recognition that others perceive him as going crazy - indicating he is aware of how his behavior is impacting others, not entirely trying to hide it, but perhaps attempting to tailor his behavior in such a way that it leaves room for the accessibility of his message - because obviously in his mind the message is important.
  • He has expectations of both the American people and our institutions - he says We are Americans and therefore will win out against the corruption; he has an expectation of Justice - these are principles ingrained as a result of the narrative we tell our selves and our children, it has a basis in reality, and the cause of Justice is, in his view at this present time, at some risk.

    • Chem trails show up as a theme in this FB post - I'm not sure where it comes from, perhaps it originated in South America as a result of paraquat spraying; I'm not certain on that point - but this theme has gained traction among the tin foil hat crowd - and since we did use various portions of an unsuspecting U.S. public as guinea pigs with radiation experiments, it is not possible to state with utter certainty that such claims are complete nonsense.

    • NOTE: This is also the only time, based on the evidence we have, where he states explicitly that repetition of the message You are Heroic has power to convince and to alter behavior. It is likely he has found himself within an environment where positive reinforcement for his current behavior has followed this process and the theme of heroism, and it may in fact be based on some of his marine experience, capitalizing on the conditioning he has already undergone as a result of boot camp, or later military training.

  • The theme of personal risk may be seen in this FB posting, and we also see positive reinforcement for his message. Heroism is also a theme repeated here - and it should be remembered that Richard Jewel did think he would go to Atlanta and become a hero - it didn't work out that way even though he did attempt to do something to stop the bombing.

    • It should be noted that in Jewel's case, he won a million dollar settlement with the FBI - they had no clue at that time regarding the nature and utility of such constructs, if they had they would not have been out a million bucks. Also, a year or two later he died of a heart attack. We cannot know if this was by natural causes or if it was chemically induced - but the value of the iconography alone suggests the later.
  • Here we see he has accepted the view that the government was responsible for September 11; this kind of thinking is prevalent among the tin foil hat crowd and yet, rarely are individuals arrested for their behavior as it ties to this belief. I would suggest that some form of reinforcement, some form of personal experience, reinforcing that perception of great evil is what makes the difference between someone who simply holds this belief, and someone who becomes extremely angry and agitated and attempts redress.

  • The last picture in the series of links included in the Forum Post indicate that the revolution is here, and someone will come pick him up to lead it. This is typical of the practical joker who says, do this for me, you'll like it, it'll be fun*, when the reality is actually quite different. It is similar to the Jewel experience, in that Jewel did not end up being the hero he expected.

    • This last also has an element of the spooky - a premonition that comes out twisted, which has the result of warning: You do not want to be this guy, because we will make you the tragic butt of an endless series of practical jokes, and there is nothing anyone can do. Sit down, shut up, and maybe we'll leave you alone . . . It isn't true of course, they never stop. Abusers rarely do.

    • NOTE: I haven't checked the YouTube url, but I note the caption: Big Pun - Brave in the Heart - A Tribute to the Artist This appears to be a possible message, one that only those engaged in his environment will catch. As if he is now creating his own, Subliminal Billboards.

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NOTE:

This is going to take a few minutes, tying various aspects of my perception to his statements as demonstrated by the little evidence available, permit me to post, that I may better review my points as I construct them, and attempt to clarify where it seems necessary. I will post Done when I am done, and then as time permits, I will be most happy to address any questions that are pertinent . . . .



I think that covers it.

I'll check the links, to be sure that I have the right images with the right text, and to see if I've missed something.


Links have been checked.

There may be other indications I may have missed, I may come back to review once more, that would not take place for some time. For the present, you may consider this comment

  • DONE
[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

He sounds like a mix of conspiracy theorist, patriot, and non violent activist. Haven't even a few of our words been interpreted as violent by a few when our deeper intentions are not?

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I've posted some stuff that could easily have resulted in a visit by the members of the legal establishment . . ..

Such as this

It may well be that the principle difference is that no one complained directly to members of law enforcement.

I note he did not get arrested, and members of law enforcement have been careful to make that known.

Hopefully he isn't being forcibly medicated. Some of those drugs you just can't kick.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

If he belongs in a mental hospital, then millions more chem trailing, 911 truthing, reptilian fearing conspiracy theorists do too.

The latest news about Brandon is posted above as "Here's the latest update about Brandon:"

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I saw the update - if you update again, will you make a note indicating so?

One thing that strikes me is the difference between FB and a place like here - more eyes. Possibly family members. That may explain the call to police.

It can be very isolating when your own family doesn't get it, and with all good intentions, begins talking behind your back, scheming on how to keep you safe and out of trouble.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

According to some of my family members, just not voting republican would be enough reason to have one evaluated by mental health professionals.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20548) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

you have my deepest sympathies.

[-] 2 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (558) 1 year ago

What did he actually say?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Look at the body of the post. The jpg links are screen captures of his facebook pages that were removed.

[-] 2 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (558) 1 year ago

I didn't check, I had heard about this story a day ago and when I checked the comments on the site the story was on, a bunch of commenters were asking the same thing, what did he say, what did he say.

So I didn't check this time thinking it was the same stuff I saw yesterday. I'll have to check it out then, thanks.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

Better watch what anyone posts here or, for that matter, anywhere. Big Brother is watching.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Do you think they haven't been watching the whole time?

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

Oh, I'm sure they have, but to be arrested for terrorism, when the crime is spreading "terroristic" facebook posts. Of course they don't really need much, not even a warrant.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Here is one of Brandon's post's with a prophetic twist.

"The revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it."

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2367) from Boulder City, NV 1 year ago

The frightening part of Brandon's arrest for "terrorism" is that most of us, people who have watched American freedom languishing on its sick bed, must now accept that it is fully intubated and on life support.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 1 year ago

omg this is where we should all delete facebook!

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

But isn't that the same as silencing your own freedom of speech? If the Egyptians did what you propose, wouldn't Mubarak still be in power? If they taped you protesting in public, would you stop protesting too?

I think our power lies in open discussion. If we self censor our right to freely speak, they have already won. Once we let fear rule our minds, tyrants will rule our bodies.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 1 year ago

in egypt.. it was a non change.. military still in power.. then they voted in the islam brotherhood!. they gained nothing! it is just a point.. if he had stood on a platform in a park and said this.. nothing would happen to him.. but the citizens of this country have been duped into allowing anything broadcast over the internet to be less than free speech. the only way to protest that is to eliminate facebook, twitter , etc.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

With facebook, the Egyptians gained the vote. Who they chose for President was not a result of using facebook.

The best way to protest this is to use facebook even more. Self censorship is the cowards response. Freedom is won with courage!

[-] 0 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

the muslim brotherhood in egyptia is now crucifying non muslims ( anti morsi ) in front of the presidential palace. copts have been warned and told to leave egypt.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Can you back up your statement?

[-] 0 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

do a search. use this phrase . the muslim brotherhood is crucifying non muslims in egypt.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The evidence is poor. I wouldn't believe it without more proof. If this were true, it would be headline news in all western media.

[-] -1 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

muslims have taken over neighborhoods in france, torching cars and busines's. have you read that in the news? NO. most recent was in Amiens , France. do search on that. the media is still doing all they can to portray islam as a religion of peace by not printing or doing any broadcasting that doesnt follow that agenda.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

And George Bush, a christian, bombed Iraq and Afghanistan. Are all christians bombers then? Is christianity then a religion of war?

[-] 0 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

do you have a problem with reading comprehension? this has been going on in france for some time. this is the so called citizens taking over neighborhoods and terrorizing the citizenry. you are apologizing for urban and suburban muslim terrorists.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

I had neighbors from Palestine who were muslim. One of the nicest families I've met.

There are bastards among all groups, christians and jews are not exempt. What percent of the muslims in France are violent? Less than 1%?

Here's an interesting graph. You might be more concerned with right wing radicals than muslims.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/06/22/504400/king-muslims-terrorism/

[-] 0 points by brudlo (-454) 1 year ago

there is no palestine. "think progress" is a george soros funded entity. try looking at www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

fun fact

imprisoning dissenters is one of the reasons Obama joined in bombing Gaddafi

that and it was on the list of countries to take out from the Bush era Neocon agenda.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

"imprisoning dissenters is one of the reasons Obama joined in bombing Gaddafi"

? He doesn't have enough dissenters in Iraq and Afghanistan to choose from?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You could just go ahead and list all 5 countries he's bombed in the past 12 months