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Forum Post: Unbelievable - are we living in 2012 almost 2013 ? Didn't we have a civil rights movement? Ummm Sorry I really can't find the words.

Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 10, 2012, 8:17 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN
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In Selma, Alabama, a new monument to the first leader of the Ku Klux Klan is under construction on public land.

More than 80,000 people so far have signed a petition on Change.org started by community activist Malika Sanders-Fortier, calling on the city council to stop construction and remove the monument. Click here to sign Malika's petition before signatures are delivered in person this Friday, September 14.

The statue is of Confederate General Nathan Forrest -- infamous as the first Grand Wizard of the Klan and for massacring black Union soldiers at the Civil War battle of Fort Pillow.

Selma is home to some of the most important events of the Civil Rights Movement -- including "Bloody Sunday," when 600 activists fighting for African-American voting rights were attacked by state and local police.

Unless the city council stops it, a "bigger and better than ever" monument will be constructed to honor Nathan Bedford Forrest. A group called Friends of Forrest built the original monument, and now the group is planning to lay concrete for a new foundation, add a new bust of the KKK founder, enclose the monument in a wrought iron gate, and add night lighting.

This Friday, Malika and other community members who oppose the monument will march in a reenactment of the historic Bloody Sunday march, and deliver petition signatures in person to a member of the Selma city council.

Click here to add your name to Malika's petition before the signatures are delivered this Friday.

Thanks for being a change-maker,

  • William and the Change.org team



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[-] 4 points by CarlAndrews (-113) 11 years ago

Similarly, OWS followers cherish Guy Fawkes who did a lot of nastiness in his own right. It's unfortunate, but some people cling on to past figures and use them as symbols even if the symbols they create out of them has little to do with their original lives.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 11 years ago

I did some research on this. Part of this old racist's grave was stolen fom a cemetery, and people have contributed to having it replaced. But that offends people. Which is not a civil rights issue.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 11 years ago

Offending people is not a civil rights issue.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (5843) 11 years ago


[-] 1 points by gsw (3406) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago


This petition had over 300,000 signers. Good. Should be 300,000,000 signers.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Thx - really wish there was more time to get it properly circulated/shared.


[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

Americans are so racist that they allowed the 1% controlled MIC to develop the Drone technology that will soon be used to force most of them to give up the guns they so painstakingly stockpiled to be prepared for nonexistant rampaging mobs of Commie Queers,Brown People and Black People.What morons!The real threat has been & always will be the Super Wealthy Elites.They are so foolish they think the drones were developed to fight Brown People.The drones were developed to fight ALL people who defy the 1%.

[-] 1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago


[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

Yes-I think allowing horrifying tools of Tyranny to be developed for use on Brown and Black foreigners is racist-and incredibly stupid because now these tools of Tyranny will be used on us if we try to hold onto our guns.But the development and deploying of drones against humans could have been opposed simply because it is wrong for them to be used at all.

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 11 years ago

Depending on who’s numbers you believe there are between 220 and 300 million privately owned guns in the US. There’s an estimated 85 million gun owners in the US. You can quickly verify these numbers on the internet.

Americans are the most heavily armed populace in the world; and most are rabid about gun rights. It’ll take a lot of drones to take the guns away from them.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

Well,those heavily armed gun nuts did not do anything when people-white people were rounded up and disarmed at gunpoint by MERCENARIES for God's sake! I am getting very worried that the States could be disarmed 1 at a time and it won't cause people in other states to do anything.As far as the needed drones for the job,this is light manufacturing.A sufficient number could easily be manufactured,and people could easily be trained to control them.They want their women and kids safe,and they want to keep their guns,so they will turn traitor immediately.Of course I don't want any of this stuff to happen and I hope it doesn't.I just don't believe we can expect to be treated any different from people in Yemen or Pakistan or Afganistan because we are confronted with a group of people who are stateless,superwealthy nomadic psychopaths who no longer have a use for us,and who have the tools of Tranny in their hands.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 11 years ago

I posted this a while back, but it bears repeating.

Depending on who’s numbers you believe, there are between 220 and 300 million privately owned guns in America today. There are an estimated 85 million gun owners in the US. Earlier this year two major gun manufactures (S&W and Ruger) had a million order backlog each and suspended new orders to catch up. The best selling gun right now is small, almost pocket size 9MM pistol; followed by the AR-15 and similar semi-auto rifles.

Last year, 2011, was a banner year for gun sales and 2012 is looking to outpace it. Guns are selling like hot cakes. Also, gun laws are trending toward more gun rights rather than more gun restrictions. Almost every State has some type of conceal carry license and some have legal open carry. Good or bad, Americans love their guns.

I’m a gun enthusiast (gun nut if you prefer), The thing that worries me is the lack of training. I’m afraid there are millions of people walking around armed who have virtually no gun training. I mean people who maybe shot fifty or sixty rounds and never give any serious thought what they would do in a self defense situation. Then there’s the random cowboy walking around hoping someone will mess with them so he can pull a weapon.

The lack of required training to carry a gun is way too lax. Rather than a one day class it should be month long class involving defensive shooting strategies, what happens after you shoot, how to properly carry a weapon and so on. I know I’d feel better knowing people were trained.

Gun owners are paranoid about the “gun grabbers” coming to confiscate their weapons. That’s partly why every time a mass shooting occurs they rush out and buy more guns. Just in case the feds outlaw some guns they will be grandfathered in with their current guns.

Personally I’m not worried about the feds confiscating guns. Too many guns and too many gun owners. Just couldn’t be done. However, I am worried the gun grabbers will nickel and dime us to death. They’ll try to outlaw semi-auto rifles (AR’s. AK’s and the like), then reduce magazine capacity, outlaw some types and caliber of ammo (.45, .50 and 10MM caliber and hollow-point ammo). Then require unnecessary features such as manual safeties, staging triggers, magazine removal disconnects, etc…

So, as I said before, for good or bad Americans love their guns. It doesn’t much matter if you or I like it or not. Probably not going to change anytime soon. Think about it, if everyone else has a gun, would you want to be the only one without the ability to defend yourself?

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

I am extremely opposed to restrictions on gun ownership.I do think that these gun-loving Americans consider themselves to be the last line of defense against The Total Police State.What they apparently expect is a declaration of martial law from coast to coast-but I don't think the goal of disarming the citizenry will begin that way.For one thing,a slow motion process is already underway.The law and the police are totally perverted now.First comes permit revocations of various unconnected people who likely don't know each other-such as I/A veterans-this has started.Then,people who want to keep their guns will have to report the guns as stolen.Everyone else whose permit has been revoked would then have to surrender their weapon/s,or provide proof of sale.You can't just ignore revocation of a firearms permit because warrants for arrest would be issued.The police could then do a traffic stop or arrest the person at work.Trying to evade authorities by not leaving your property is something that is rendered irrelevant by weaponized drones.Even RPG's are no use against them-there are few survivors of these drone attacks and the casualty rate of police in such a scenario would be 0.What I wish would happen is for members of the NRA and other organizations to pressure these groups to start issuing blunt condemnations of police use of surveillance drones and unequivocal condemnations of training police officers to control drones.They should also oppose entirely issuance of permits by the FAA for police drones.The NRA has clout and if the leaders of the NRA fail to do these things,I would hope that their members would demand that they do so.BTW,I do not personally have firearms permit and I do not belong to a gunowners lobby.

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 11 years ago

Sorry I took so long to read you post. I don’t visit this forum very often.

You make some good points. A couple I specifically have an interest in.

  1. I’m a veteran. Albeit an old one who served decades ago. I get angry at the thought that veterans who suffer from PTSD are dangerous. To me It seems someone is promoting the idea that having PSTD means you are a loose cannon who may go on a violent rampage. It’s just not true. PTSD means you probably have some level of depression; and in some severe cases may be somewhat non-functional. Most veterans deal with it with reasonable help. I think the biggest danger of PTSD is substance abuse. These people are not dangerous.

  2. As I said in my original post, there are about 85 million gun owners in the US. However, the NRA has only about four million members. Gun owners aren’t as interested in the NRA as you’re led to believe. The average gun owner isn’t a gun nut. I think most gun owners buy one gun for home protection, take it to the range, shoot a couple boxes of shells, take it home, unload it and put in a drawer next to the bed. Maybe over time the same gun owner will buy a second gun small enough to carry, get the conceal carry license, carry it around for a couple of months then stop carrying it because it’s a hassle and uncomfortable. I’ve never seen any figures, but I’d guess the number of CCL holders who regularly carry a weapon is very low. The point is there aren’t nearly as many “gun nuts” as people think there are. When the UK and Australia banned weapons most people just handed them in without a lot of fuss. I wonder if the US would give in so easy?

  3. As for drones, I think it’s the future of warfare and law enforcement. I think they will become common over the next decade. Texas A&M University has some type of research program where various drone technology is developed. There were a couple of news stories about the students getting nervous about seeing them flying near the campus. I view drones as good and bad; kind of like surveillance cameras. They have the potential to solve/prevent crimes, but also to violate our privacy. I think the details of how they are used will be the sticking point.

For the record, I’m a gun enthusiast. I own lots of guns and do some minor gun smith work. Not for profit, just a hobby. Never been arrested, pay my taxes, vote and generally a good guy. Even though I have enough weapons and ammo to outfit a small police department, I’m not a danger to anyone unless they’re trying to harm me. I think I fit the real definition of a gun nut.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 years ago

They don't need the drones. Darpa has developed a gun that can shoot 250,000 grenades a minute.

They have have bomb that can take out 40 vehicles per bomb, hitting each one individually.

They have backpackable, lightweight munition that can penetrate 1" of steel from 100yrds.

And that's just what they are telling us about.

All those pop guns are useless. All they do is make the manufactures rich, and lots of people dead.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

The situation would be comical were it not so tragic.There is an actual word for it which escapes me right now.I will report back when my age addled brain suddenly responds to the Request For A Seldom Used Word Or Term-which it always does,after a few hours-LOL

[-] -1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago

So if we as Americans give up our guns those tools od tyranny won't be used against us? And as for brown and black foreigners what color is our president? And much of his administration?

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

I don't know about your situation,but alot of people I know have had their permits revoked for no reason.If you don't do what they tell you to do when that happens,they reclassify you as a criminal.Then they can do anything they want to you,and believe me,the police are NOT going to run up into the property of people who they know have guns-legal or illegal.They will send drones against us because the elites that rule us do not care about the race of people who defy them.BTW-Obama,Bush,Romney etc.-all puppets.

[-] 1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago

Yes. They are all puppets. As are the people that keep voting them and there ilk into office time and time again.

[-] 0 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

When trashy harry speaks, you listen and learn.

Study how he deftly connects redneck Alabama culture to events in Pakistan and ironically connects the need to repress the Colored Other with the technological fix that metamorphoses into its Hegelian antithesis, the chains of the represser.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

That's ridiculous.They may very well do to us what they did to other people in other places.I'm not stupid enough to believe in racist bullshit.I've travelled around the world quite a bit and I know people are the same everywhere you go.The Elite class will do to us whatever they please!They control the government!They are completely amoral!There is literally nothing they won't do to gain more profits!Wake up!

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

Where have you traveled?

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

Canada,S France SW Spain,Mexico,Belgium,Netherlands & 10 out of 50 US states.I consider my decade of life in Manhattan to be equivalent to at least a couple of trips around the world-LOL

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

Probably the most interesting place I've been is Venezuela (just after Obama took over).

The intense class hatred on both sides feels refreshing. On the plane, both ways, you meet filthy rich Venezuelans off for a vacation in Miami. How bitterly they despise Chavez! It's hard to understand since his reforms seem so modest and the lives of the wealthy seem hardly disturbed. SW Spain? I'm on a little Spain-reading kick. What was that like?

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

Mostly S-LOL-Gibraltar.There is no other place like it in the world.Save up your dollars and see it before climate change wrecks it completely.

[-] 1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago

Wow. Just, wow. You two are mentally sick... If you hate the white man that is your delusion. Don't assume all of us do.

[-] 0 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

No, man, we love everybody. I'm thinking of teaching a seminar in trashy Harry studies next semester. It'll be challenging for a neophyte like yourself. I recommend completing the shadz and zen dog prerequisites first.

[-] 1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago

No thanks. I know what those two believe. And your "no man we love everybody" is bullshit.

[-] 1 points by ogoj11 (263) 11 years ago

Since we're having this pleasant little chat, maybe you would explain what you like in Orwell. He was a leftist, of sorts, you realize, a man who, after 5 years serving as a racist pig in the English Raj, achieved Nirvana and came to realize that racism is wrong. Could you be heading down the same path?

[-] 0 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 11 years ago

Oh for the gods sake....don't even try to lecture me about Orwell. And he achieved "nirvana"? Will your warped, filthy ideas leave nothing sacred?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

George Orwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950),[1] better known by his pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist and journalist. His work is marked by clarity, intelligence and wit, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism, and belief in democratic socialism.

social injustice :

Social injustice is a concept relating to the claimed unfairness or injustice of a society in its divisions of rewards and burdens and other incidental inequalities. The concept is distinct from those of justice in law, which may or may not be considered moral in practice, or from the concept of justice within a coherent ideological system, which focuses on just process rather than on incidental inequalities. Opposition to social injustice is increasingly a platform of emerging political parties. Social injustice arises when the distribution of advantages and disadvantages in society aren't equal.[vague]

Social injustice is caused by certain barriers that prevent full social justice. Major barriers include disproportionate wealth distribution relative to labor, prejudice, discrimination, oppression, homophobia, racism, casteism, classism, ableism, ageism, stereotyping and sexism.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

Excellent post DK. Signed and passed on.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Thank you.

Imagine - In this day and age - How truly Sick.

No no - I guess you don't need to imagine - as some crackers are doing it.

OOoops sorry about that cracker comment - but what else ya gonna refer to them as?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

LOL. It is always outrageous when I hear about this kinda offensive actions.

And we are in the 150th anniversary of the civil war. We should be celebrating the efforts of US soldiers who fought the South, as well as the actions of Pres Lincoln, & Grant who won thewar and crushed the Klans 1st incarnation.


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

If anything they should put up a hall of shame things that were done that should never have happened and must never be repeated. If that statue goes up I hope it gets pulled right back down.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 11 years ago

That would be a site.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

I would love to be driving the 4x4 that pulled it down to drag it through the street until it was all busted up.

[-] -1 points by CarlAndrews (-113) 11 years ago

I say let them build it then go and blow it up.

[-] -1 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 11 years ago

Perhaps they are honoring his part in the Civil War? And as an aside: should the film Birth of a Nation be banned?


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Go practice in the mirror for a while sad-sack.