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Forum Post: Two Heroes of Truth step forward in Maine, if you are near the Bangor please show your support:

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 28, 2012, 5:26 a.m. EST by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ
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[-] 2 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

Chris Hayes mentioned this briefly; and I meant to get back to it but since then the traditional media hasn't mentioned it at all thanks for reminding me of it. They can join Chris Hedges, Amy Goodman and some of the other reporters that have abandoned the mainstream corporate media so they can do a better job I hope.

If enough of these stories happen then we might see a mass exodus of viewers from the traditional media or people that at least check on a larger variety of sources; to some degree this has already escalated.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It's a tough personal call, it can really affect a person's family, to sacrifice economic security for principle sounds good on paper, till the mortgage payments come due and the kid really wants that WiiYou. Many of these people would find the "big bucks" aren't really that important, but still as they say don't judge till you've walked in their shoes.

I still agree with you, that's why I call these two heroes, I just don't expect to find a lot of heroes most of us are just regular people trying to get by.

You can tell the truth as Jon Steward does without losing touch with reality as Hedges seems to have lately. Amy Goodman is an interesting person wasn't she involved with the alternative debates on DemocracyNOW? I thought it was interesting now they restricted the participation, and to see Rocky left out of the later debates when he had clearly presented the best case in the early one, was like watching young Ds and Rs copying their daddy while of course declaring that they were entirely different.

Not that I don't understand why they did it, that's democracy you have your say, people decide then you go another round till enough people agree on something, (in OWS case everyone?).

I'd like to see an outlawing of all political ads with debates instead, starting with a bunch of people then each week we vote American Idol style and have another round of debates till we get down to two then they have at it til the election. (understand this is just a "back of the envelope" concept)

[-] 1 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

I agree it is tough personal call; but things are getting so extreme that it will be necessary for many more people to do things to change things. If some of these people don't make tough calls like this it won't be long before the circumstances catch up with everyone else including many of the people with their heads in the sand that aren't paying attention to what is going on.

Hedges may have exaggerated things a little, at times, but not much; if someone is losing touch with reality it is the people that believe the propaganda that is being put out by the corporations not Hedges. Amy Goodman was the one involved in the Expand the debates and she kept inviting Rocky Anderson through the end to the ones she covered; but some of the ones hosted by NPR might not have included him.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I was misinformed it seems or they changed plans, after the first of the "Expand the debates" debates there was an online poll where it was decided who would be invited to the next debate, not unlike the Ds and Rs do, but it seems the plan came apart somewhere along the line, and there were three at the second expanded debate, after Rocky didn't make the cut the first time I didn't watch anymore, becaues i didn't think he would be in them.

I'll have to watch it NOW...

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/exclusive_expanding_the_debate_with_third

as far as the whole third party being in debates and all I'm in favor of whittling it down to two so people can have a real choice I think a bunch of people on the ballot or the debates at the end just splits people up and let's corporatism win, in AZ I voted for Prop 121 even though all the parties were against it, Greens and all because it would keep them off the finial ballot, but on the primary people could have voted for whoever then get another chance to vote against the Republican, which of course is the MOST vital thing of all.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Arizona_Top-Two_Primary_Initiative,_Proposition_121_(2012)

[-] 1 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

If I remember correctly the Democracy Now ones all included both Jill Stein and Rocky and Gary Johnson was also invited to all three but declined to appear. Virgil Goode appeared in only the second and I don't recall an explanation for why he wasn't in the first and third. The Free and Clear debate had a vote of some sort and Jill Stein and Gary Johnson won the nomination to appear in the final debate.

As for the Arizona initiative, at a glance, I probably wouldn't have favored it. It seems like it would replace one bad system with another. I think it would be better to have instant run-off elections and I think we should rely more on ballot measures as well but the public should have more influence in creating and influencing the potential initiatives so that they have better options than this.

BTW your link didn't work but a quick search turned up this which will hopefully work.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Arizona_Top-Two_Primary_Initiative,_Proposition_121_%282012%29

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

It didn't pass. to me it was close to an instant run-off ballot, but it did show how the Greens are just another political party not much different than the big boys when it comes to protecting their party.

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

start with an amendment
all contributions must go from humans only to candidates only
all expenses must go directly from candidates only
[ this would also stop parties massive power ]

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Public funding for public elections, would Coke let Pepsi pick it's Board?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Yes - it is a great idea - if it adds to other human beings making con tributions

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Support liberals with integrity!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

if only the entire FOX team would do the same.....

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

FOX never fails to tow the party line. And these two show a great example of how a journalist should behave.

Good post.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6449) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Well it's been up for a day, maybe this is why so few will step forward, there really isn't anybody there that cares, except me and you?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well the RW guys will avoid bumping it up so that eliminates much ofthe active people here.

Keep pluggin away boss. It is valuable and legit.