Forum Post: To whoever is moderating the forums
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 7, 2011, 12:42 a.m. EST by NoneyaBiznazz
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from Findlay, OH
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Thanks... It was really pissing me off to see these morons spamming it. You're doing important work. Keep at it. We are watching and cheering you on. :)
An email confirmation system for new accounts would go along way, especially with a 15-minute lag before confirmation emails are sent.
its not over... they are still here... we need to confront the trolls with the truth.
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
I would like to add my thanks for your hard work. And I would like to make a suggestion.
The pattern of this spamming strongly suggests either a pre-scripted bot, or a small group of people (somewhere between 4 & 8) who are creating new accounts every few seconds. Now there are ways to combat this spamming with easy to implement measures.
Use a different CAPTCHA system. If this is a robot attacking the site, then it will be using a form of OCR to read the CAPTCHA, changing it to one that either uses different words, and or colours will confuse it and reduce the number of spam attacks. Changing the CAPTCHA will also have the additional effect of replacing the currant CAPTCHA file (which may also have been hacked) with something new.
Even if this is a small group of hackers working in concert, they are spamming at such a rate that unless they are very well organized they will be leaving a IP address footprint behind from which you can ID them. It is then a simple matter of looking for the same IP address to crop up and ban it for a set amount of time (say 1 - 4 hours).
We're doing everything we can right now to combat the spammers. Thanks for the advice!
Apparently people thing that when they don't play fairly it's whining. When a CEO gets a bonus while the workers get laid off especially when it's our tax dollars that bailed them out (our money, like actually our money) than that's whining? Personally, I would think whining is more acceptable than not being intelligent about it. Yes, people are allowed to be rich, I say the more the merrier, but when you use loop holes and evade taxes or when you don't trickle down (the reason why we have tax cuts) then you're bunking the system and it's plain just not right.
Just remember, guys, every spammer that posts something is coming in with a unique ID, thus boosting our site traffic up! :-D
The 1% are afraid, they are fighting back in the only pathetic way they know. It is a sign we are making progress.
I'm afraid you're wrong. They have many more ways. Including guns, tanks, drones, chemical warfare, sound warfare, radiation weapons and biological agents. Since the corporates control the government and the media, they can whitewash it in whatever rhetoric they please.
You guys just haven't hit the bee's nest hard enough yet. When you do, be prepared to get stung. Soldiers are trained to follow orders. And if US soldiers back down, they won't hesitate to bring in UN soldiers.
This can escalate very far. I'm more than a little worried.
I share your concerns, but violence can slow us down, not stop us. Further, violent repression is VERY expensive, so that will be their last resort (they're stingy, after all). When that happens, it will be ugly, but that's when we will receive our final test.
But its not as if they don't know its coming. They've prepared. FEMA camps await, and they're filled with coffins. Our military has been battle hardened to kill on command, even women and children. Its as though we're just playing into their hands by giving them a reason to declare marshal law.
If there were signs that they are caught off guard by the protesting, I would be more hopeful, but it appears they've been expecting it. Some are even saying that they've instigated it. And once the bravest and angriest of us have been whisked away, what hope do the rest of us have?
What is our alternative? Roll over and watch our country become a slave state? I would rather die defending it.
By the arguments here, it already IS a slave state. The only difference will be that it is out in the open for all to see.
I guess the fundamental question is whether there is any value to human happiness.
Given a choice between a police state, and a police state with the illusion of freedom, there would be more quantifiable human happiness when people have the illusion of freedom. It has been thus for decades. It is only lately, as we begin to see behind the facade, that people are upset enough to protest.
But if this movement is truly playing into the hands of the establishment, then the end result will be greater human suffering, and less human happiness and contentment. But it matters not. They would have found another excuse to drop the hammer.
I believe it would be a mistake to assume that it will not get MUCH worse if we do not take action now. They want us to compete with the semi-slave labor in Chinese factories.
We are not yet a slave state, but if corporate influence over public policy is not reined in, that is where we are headed. Hence my support of this movement. I have a daughter. I did not work like a dog for 35 years to watch the promises I made her turn into lies.
But I certainly appreciate your concerns. They are not lost on me one bit.
It just looks identical to the southern fried spam you see in the Fox Nation threads. Some people just don't have two neurons to rub together.
Don't let it bother you. I'd imagine whoever thought this plan was worth doing also imagines it as being something akin to "counter intelligence ops" or something else ridiculously Modern Warfare-tinged. Fortunately, spamming the forums will only result in . . . drum roll . . . spam in the forums. Hardly going to stop this movement from going forward. Let the idiots waste their time.
I second the notion. We need these forums to communicate ideas and information. Thanks, Mods!
Or you could focus on getting the members of your little Occupy Wall Street to Occupy Monster.com and get some jobs.....
I'm perfectly happy in my current job, thank you. :)
Evidently your job doesn't require the ability to read. I never said you didn't have a job, I was referring to the majority of this "causes" supporters. I said you should focus on getting them to concentrate on more important things like finding a job.
I was overlooking the fact that your comments are based on ignorance to make a point that directly combats said ignorance. To say that the "majority of this 'causes' supporters" are unemployed is simply talking out of your ass, especially considering the movement was very quickly supported by LABOR UNIONS. The majority of the participants actively involved in this movement are not only employed but highly educated AND informed, a combination sadly in the minority today.
Show me those statistics. And please include your source because I really want to know where you came up with "The majority of the participants actively involved in this movement are not only employed but highly educated AND informed"
you're welcome
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/753/746/Civil_Unrest_in_the_United_States_of_America_Coming_in_October_2011.html
I hate to see the forum fall to anarchy... But I laughed my head off at some of the titles.
Some of them were hysterical. It seemed like it was being done for a fourteen year old hacker with turrette syndrome, who happens to work for the CIA.
:-( Are you upset? Maybe we should hold a rally for you somewhere so you can whine with cameras on you.....
Asswipe
Thats a strong argument, nice job. KUDOS TO BOLETUS, the wisest man online!!
I would say "touche" except that your arguments have been far from productive.
If that is how you feel, then my advice would be, do not say touche.
Thanks for the advice.
Wouldn't you be happier at a porn site?
No... I have no interest in seeing your wife or mother. I would rather stay here.
Don't catch food poisoning eating twinkies while typing
Wow, are you thirteen or do you have a child there with you feeding you one liners?
In fact, if you hang around long enough, I may come to enjoy it enough to make a hobby out of it.
No, I've just got nothing better to do than distract you so that other people can communicate
Oh I am not focusing on you. I am dividing my time evenly believe me. I guess this is where I say "touche"
For every one of you, there is 99 of us. I hope you are enjoying yourself. And thanks for driving up the website statistics; your contribution to the cause is appreciated.
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I am juvenile? I am not spamming. I am telling you to get over yourself. Appreciate you live in a country where you are safe, there is running water, that someone comes and hauls away your shit. Its not like that everywhere and the people who don't have what we have are ten times more appreciative you fucking little bitch whiner.
YAY
Hope you appreciate you have that safety and comfort due to revolutionaries who started out by talking.
HAHA, yes I do but they were actually fighting for something. This is just a joke.
NotaSupporter, ...don't you have anything better to do?
Let him talk. Spam bots are one thing, but this is debate. It's harmless.
Thank you, seriously, its nice to have someone who can actually debate and not get all defensive and mad,
Revolutions are classically dismissed as jokes until they show some success.
Revolutions classically were about something important. Not about some idiots who got themselves in debt whether it be school loans etc and now they don't like it.
As far as Cat, I suppose I could ask the same of you...
Revolutions are classically dismissed as jokes for the precise reason that many are bound to believe there's nothing so wrong that's worth fighting against. If/when success is shown, they start turning around, and johnny-come-lately acts like he was on the bandwagon all along. You think every other revolution didn't also have their scoffers? You're just history repeating itself.
I will not say every other revolution because that would be classifying this thing incorrectly. This is seriously just a bunch of whiners. Pull your boot straps up and fix things, dont stand outside in a park whining with fellow whiners about how bad we all have it. Suck it up, keep moving forward, its attitudes like yours that got us into these messes, we don't need more distractions, we have a job to do. If you need insurance...buy it. If you need money to buy it... get a job. If you cant find a job you like.... work one you dont until the one you want comes available. Nobody wins while ya'll spend all your time crying.
I have a job. I have health insurance. I have a house and food and don't foresee that changing in the near future. I don't have it bad. Yet I'm also not arrogantly content enough to assume this means there necessarily isn't something terribly wrong.
It's easy to argue for the status quo when you don't have anything to personally complain about, but there's also a time to do your research when a significant number of people start raising their voices. Do you think they must all be wrong? What are the chances of that? Do you know how the federal reserve system works? Do you believe in it?
The fact that you're hearing noise should open your mind to the possibility that there's a legitimate concern. Dismissing it automatically as a matter of individual responsibility bears no real basis. You don't know these people or what they've been through. You have no basis for your assumptions.