Forum Post: To all of the filthy disgusting rich pigs and sold out corporate media personalities trying in hopeless miserable crying pants wetting vain to intimidate OWS: That means you Bill O'Reiley, Sean Hanity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Lara Ingraham, Eric Harley
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 20, 2011, 10:30 a.m. EST by ModestCapitalist
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To all of the filthy disgusting rich pigs and sold out corporate media personalities trying in hopeless miserable crying pants wetting vain to intimidate OWS: That means you Bill O'Reiley, Sean Hanity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Lara Ingraham, Eric Harley, Tammy Bruce, Ann Coulter, Jim Bohannon, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Jerry Doyle, and so many others. Don't you get it yet? Are you really that fucking stupid? Let me explain it to you one more time.
We are sort of like a colony of hornet's. We've been here in this tree for sometime now. Watching from a distance as our surrounding environment gets more and more screwed up by pigs like you. So one day, we finally get fed up and swarm.
You see where I'm going with this? What about you Limbaugh? Hanity? Coulter? Anyone out there in pig land see where I'm going with this?
That's what I thought. No clue. Let's continue.
So we're out here swarming to defend the environment surrounding our nest. Our cause is just. Anyone with half a brain would keep their distance or at least behave more responsibly in the environment that we all have no choice but to share. Anyone with half a brain that is.
The bunch of you pigs must have well under half a brain collectively. You actually believe that you can intimidate or manipulate a swarm of hornets. You've tried everything from stupid jokes to lame insults to grade school psychological tricks and diversionary tactics. But we're still here. Still, we swarm. In fact, your half-wit strategies to intimidate or manipulate us have only stirred up more hornets. Another day. Another nest.
Still, you try in hopeless miserable crying pants wetting vain to intimidate or manipulate us. You just keep ramping up the same old ineffective strategies.
Still, we swarm.
You might want to consider altering the reckless behavior that got us all stirred up to begin with.
In the meantime, you might want to prepare yourself a soothing oatmeal bath.
You're going to need it.
"Life will not be a pyramid with the apex sustained by the bottom. But it will be an oceanic circle whose centre will be the individual always ready to perish for the village, the latter ready to perish for the circle of villages till at last the whole becomes one life composed of individuals, never aggressive in their arrogance, but ever humble, sharing the majesty of the oceanic circle of which they are integral units. Therefore, the outermost circumference will not wield power to crush the inner circle, but will give strength to all within and will derive its own strength from it."
M. Gandi
Notice how they are all Republican? The media is lining this thing up perfectly. The last thing the rich want is something outside the D/R Duopoly to form, because that COULD lead to some SERIOUS changes. Anything within will just be minor, piddly nonsense.
I've already stated how much I hate every network and virtually every public figure. When I created this page, I tried to come up with some left leaning pigs to name. Of course, there are plenty of left leaning pigs. But most of them are pretending to support OWS. Of course, they don't. It's nothing but PR crap. However, I couldn't name any who have attacked OWS with the lame insults or jokes. They have tried to divert our attention more than once. But the attacks were more the focus of this page.
Well you are only helping their cause with posts like these.
If we work to unseat every officeholder who signs the anti-tax pledge, it will cut across party lines as well as push the survivors away from the 15.
Where is the anti-spend pledge?
You are watching that half of it play out now - the new love affair with deficit reduction by cuts only.
Ok, where is the anti spend along with anti tax pledge?
There isnt one. Stop thinking anyone in congress has your back. They arent that smart, and they are all getting played, and are in love with the power and money to notice it.
Total meltdown.
Good post.
Thank you.
Your point would be more credible without namecalling
No matter how angry you ( and I) are just tell the truth
they are paid to lie - and are damaging our country.
We at OWS must stop talking and ACT
Can't we take a lesson from our brothers in Wisconsin -
THE CAPITAL OF DEMOCRACY IS THE VOTE
I'm all for voting but that's just not enough. Short of a violent revolution, our choices are to spend more responsibly, vote more responsibly, consume more responsibly, and PROTEST LIKE A BAT OUT OF HELL!
We have wasted to much time taking our democracy for granted. I agree, protest like a bat out of hell, and stay engaged in the policy making processes. We need to make sure the politicians, who work for us, stay working for us.
This means they aren't in thrall to Grover Norquist and his pledge that shills for the 1% by protecting them from a more progressive income tax. We must vote out every signatory of that nonsense.
exactly
We have wasted to much time taking our democracy for granted. I agree, protest like a bat out of hell, and stay engaged in the policy making processes. We need to make sure the politicians, who work for us, stay working for us.
YES!
Who the hell is Eric Harley? Are you a crypto PR man for conservative media pundits or something?
Eric Harley is another sold out die-hard partisan puppet on talk radio from 12am to 5am weekdays.
That's a big "Hell yeah" from me. Each pepper spraying, each beating, each bone crushed, each tent ripped only makes us madder, stronger and a whole heap more determined.
Agree.
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The cops are just doing their job. C'mon. They aren't the enemy. I'm not defending bad cops. But the vast majority are brave, honorable, professional, down to Earth guys. Really. They are. Tell one that you understand their difficult position and you will see a glimmer of humanity behind that riot shield.
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Stop with all the Zeitgeist spam! It reminds me of Jesus freaks preaching & condemning us all to hell on street corners & all the tracks they would hand out, that ended up littering the streets! Basically, it has the opposite effect!
Your pissed off at the wrong groups. You should be pissed off at the Government not the companies that provide the jobs for the rest of America. It is the government and the special interest groups that have created this problem. Remember it was corporations that will provide the new fuel efficient cars, the alternative energy systems, the chemical you need to exist in modern society, the medicine you will need, the IPhone and IPad, the forum in which you are now providing comments and venting your misplaced rage. Use your talents to get out and vote - Vote out the bums how are taking monies from special interests and the unions so that they can run your life. You have the right to protest but you do not have the right to prevent me from earning a living. I have had to work since I was 12 years old, had to earn 50% of my college monies, had no debt when I graduated with a degree in engineering, have been in the work force for 39 years. So here is some advice I was given early on in my career -' If you are looking for sympathy you will find it between sh*t and syphilis in the dictionary, you will not find it here'. CaptFlint
No. You are wrong. The only thing government has done which was a mistake was they began to allow big business to rule them. Business, through incessant and aggressive congressional lobbying, is the threat to America. The call for smaller government has resulted in business moving into the newly vacated positions. Soon, if we don't come to our senses, our government will have been entirely privatized. If that happens it will be goodbye democracy and hello pure fascism. Imagine a "for profit" government and think what that would mean.
You are wrong. In addition you misuse the word "your". In that form it is a possessive pronoun. You should have used the contraction for you are "you're". See? Education is a good thing.
Damn right I blame the government. But not instead of the rich and their corporate juggernauts. In addition to. They are all to blame. The same goes for society in general. We've been a bunch of consumer junkie credit card morons. Some of our wealth was stolen. But most, we spent away without the slightest regard for anything but the moment. Plenty of blame to go around.
I don't want an ounce of sympathy from you or anyone else. I also don't want to prevent you or anyone else from making a living. I only want a reasonable degree of shared prosperity for all those willing to contribute and an adequate safety net for those in need.
one big difference - the government is, in theory at least, possible to control by the democratic process while wealth is not subject to democracy. get money out of the political system - make the gov't accountable to the people and then we can tackle the corporations and their rich owners
I sort of agree with you. But I'm still convinced that we should go after both. Hit the monster from every angle.
after you attack the gov't what do you put in it's place. the government is us - ok, well it should be us - to set up that safety net you mentioned. we need to control it not attack it - that is what the right does when they attack those parts of the gov't (social security etc)that help people. you should not demonize the gov't but point out how and why it is not under democratic control
Because it's been sold out.
well that must change - no? or what?
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Your double talk is a joke....You actually believe that you can intimidate or manipulate a swarm of hornets?...You OWS have tried everything from stupid jokes to lame insults to grade school psychological tricks and diversionary tactics. But we are still here...Still we go to work..In fact, your half-wit strategies to intimidate or manipulate us have only stirred up more hornets... ...What is it you feel I owe you?...You want my money? I worked hard for what i got, now you at OWS want me to pay more?...How do you know when your a 99% er?...Can I chose to be one, or is it decided by someone else?...What do you feel the rich guy owes you?...All this "redistribute the wealth" crap...You want the government to control all the money?....Are you serious?..Your so called leaders are the 1%, don't you get that?..All these people donating money to OWS, millions of dollars..that your glorious leaders are pocketing for themselves...This whole thing is taking the middle class out of the picture, and making the out spoken "redistribute the wealth" people rich...You really think that once the money goes to the government to "redistribute" that you'll be better off? Really? You stand back and look at half of the picture...The true greed you speak off is the government, look at the proof..Pelosi, made millions, did she give more to taxes ?...doubt it..Reid? he giving more?...And speaking of more..Micheal Moore won't even tell the truth about his net worth.You OWS people are fighting the wrong fight...Why won't you listen to the business owners who have done more for their communities than the government ever will...Instead you listen to a 1% ers saying corporate greed is the problem..They are monopolizing, plain and simple, they will have control of everything...wake up...That's not freedom..Why is it you think they want everyone on food stamps? Hell, they are burning our food supply..How is unemployment payments the biggest job creator? You have a point in what you say, but you double talk your own statements... Just like the politicians..Look, I paid for my school, I found a job, and worked hard for what I have, I'm not worried if you make more or have more...If i can help someone in need, I do so..For you or anyone for that matter to tell me I have to give, You can kiss off...Who are you to tell me how much is to much, what I can eat, where to spend my money? You are swinging a stick at another hornets nest, think about it...This is your ideal America, Telling others how to live their lives? I personally like to have my own choices..Make as much money as I can..And now you stand before me and tell me the American dream is to redistribute my wealth? That's not a dream.
We do not want wealth redistribution friend. It's OK to be rich. What is NOT OK is when, in the pursuit of riches, we hurt others. That has been happening far too often in America. This is the inequity about which we occupy.
You got a job. Nice. Today it's not so easy. It is almost impossible for a middle aged man with a family to find new employment which compliments his education and experience and if he gets lucky and does he will find that he no longer has health insurance or retirement. Do these go right over your head? It's true and it is avoidable, or would be at least if capital had any interest in being fair in it's dealings with labor. No. You are living in an insulated world behind opaque windows. If you were to try to start over now you'd soon be on the street with nothing, education or not.
Well, I was out of a job...my company left the country, so I found another...but thank you...It is tough to find a job now..You also start the same double talk I keep hearing though...First you say that it's not o.k. for those in pursuit of riches to hurt others...And at the same time you are hurting others while you are in pursuit of your cause..It's like saying "I'm pro-life"...and then go rush out and shoot a doctor...How is that pro-life? I really am trying to listen to all this with an open mind, but most I get is double talk and useless facts that don't make much sense as a whole. I don't really care who's rich or not...Don't really care that some are greedy, and others aren't...I Try to be a good neighbor, help out where I can, and raise my family. ..I will also comment on this healthcare issue you raise...I have funded my own healthcare for years, never did I once expect my employer to provide it...My retirement is handle by me and my wife, not my boss or the corporation I work for..Not over my head...I call it well prepared.I still am trying to understand why people feel that anyone else is responsible for their well being other than themselves. Our household has a budget..We know what we need to live our lives and we spend accordingly..I just know if I didn't have a job, I wouldn't be camping in a park in NYC yelling at people going to work about not having a job...I would pound the pavement to find another...But I guess I came from a different America..I hear OWS is making it so much better.
There are many methods of providing in America. If you can shoulder the expense of health care and retirement by yourself then it is clear that you are not holding down two minimum wage jobs. That's good for you. You are perhaps more capable than many others. But what of those others? Are they deficient because they cannot do what you have done? We are all of differing capabilities. We are not born "blank and equal".
You err when you say that we expect others to be responsible for us. This is wrong headed perception put forth by people like Hannity. It's not true. I, for instance, am responsible for myself yet I have a USN retirement with healthcare. I also have social security. I have these through my own planning. I met my responsibilities by steering my career towards these eventualities. So you see the difference between you and I?
The average person does not have the wherewithall to make his/her lives in the same way that you and I have done. It's a question of capability. Shall they be denied a little security just because of this? What of their kids who are blameless?
There is no one yelling at anyone else in the park in NYC much less the demonstrators. They are not hooligans in heat as some would suggest. There are many white collar types present as well. They do not want others to provide for them. You must stop saying that. It is not true. They are not dolees and bums. What they do want is an end to the horrendous favoritism given the big business community in America. An end to the massive conflicts of interest that are being created in Congress by business lobbyists. The reason is because business so often lately has misused it's power to harm all of us. It was not we the people who caused the events of the fall of '08.
The people are helpless to shape their futures without drastic action. Using the congressional channels open to them is fruitless because our congress lives in fear of retribution by business if they do not obey. Obey they do and the people suffer. What then can we do? Few of us are as capable as you. The first priority is to confront the forces which are set against us. For decades the system did not work for the people and though so many of us are so capable and educated and industrious they were unable to overcome the odds set against us. You though were more capable. What if you were not so capable? How would you explain to your kids that they can't go to a doctor anymore? Would it be your fault? I expect that you wife also has good employment but haven't mentioned it. You both are above average then. To hell with those who can't hack it? Call them losers? Deny their kids the basics of life just because you made it but they can't?
An even playing field is what we want. An end to the political power of big business is what we demand. We are at the point where we must make some noise about it because nothing else has worked. What advice do you have for a family that tries but can't make America work anymore? Would you tell them "TS"? Really? Then you are a case hardened republican for sure.
Those who hold in contempt the efforts of society to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and house the poor will find themselves waiting outside the gates to heaven. To the left and to the right they will sit watching until the very last of the downtrodden is allowed in. Then they will enter.
The only important thing in life is giving. Let's give now to those others who are not quite as capable as we are. At least try to be generous in your opinions. It won't hurt you and you may find you feel good about it later.
No. You're wrong. You're just too stubborn to see the difference. We have been provoked for many years. We didn't decide to swarm on an innocent rabbit. We didn't decide to swarm for maximum profit. We decided to swarm for some reasonable degree of shared prosperity. Some degree of economic justice. We finally got fed up and decided to swarm all over a fat pig. That's what you refuse to acknowledge.
"The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself." Allen Greenspan (Guess the date. You're gonna love this. Give up yet? SPRING OF '05').
There is no logical or moral justification for the highest concentration of wealth in world history. No more excuses. The rich are too rich. Period.
As a free thinker, I agree with a few of your points regarding Pelosi, Reid, Moore, widespread government corruption, and ethanol. But your claim that we should blame the government exclusively or near exclusively is another diversionary tactic. It won't work. Of course, we blame the government. But not instead of the rich and their respective juggernaut corporations. In addition to. A few of us have even admitted that we as a society must share some of the blame ourselves. We stood by and allowed the greatest concentration of wealth in world history to grow unchecked. We stood by and allowed greed to become the worldwide epidemic it is today. That's not to say we want a flat pay scale or an equal distribution of wealth. Most of us don't. We only want some reasonable level of shared prosperity. Some reasonable degree of economic justice.
If you're in the top 1%, then a portion of your wealth was stolen from us and a portion has been subsidized. I can already tell that you're a die-hard partisan. Unable to think outside of your partisan box. Unable to acknowledge or even understand the points I just made regarding 1% club wealth. Just confirm my suspicion. Tell me it's not true and I will explain how it is.
Go ahead. Make my day.
Make your day...lol...I'm just watching all this B.S. happen and it's not the America I grew up in..You see I took a loan out to go to school, found a good paying job after, paid back my loan...Made smart use of my money...Where's the problem?..Are you saying the person next to me in that classroom didn't have that opportunity? Are you saying this 1%er that gave me my job is a greedy bastard and didn't pay me enough? The thing I look at is this...The greedy people you speak of are criminals and should be treated as such...but what about the honest, caring business man you heaped into this greedy group?...You squashed his chance for "shared prosperity" because he's a 1% er...You saying all bank, corporations, and Wall Street types are at fault is to general...I know quite a few 1% ers, and the ones I know give heavily back to those less fortunate...But that hasn't stopped this movement from trashing his lawn, spray painting his place of business with graffiti, harassing his kids on the way to school...Where would you say this will stop?...You won't even take the time to find the guilty, you just hang them all...I have watched 3 major businesses pull out of my small town already because this movement has deemed them 1% ers..My company left the states all together..Now my town is turning into a ghost town because?.....Like I said before you folks don't realize the suffering you are creating, trying to tell me it's best for me ...And "YOU CAN MAKE ME UNDERSTAND"...You can't and won't be able,... You have no idea what is best for my family or what i do or do not understand..You say I'm in a "box"...Yep, because that is my choice...All this "Economic justice" B.S. makes me laugh...How you can say..."oh, we only want some"...Really?...You expect me to listen to that crap?...You seem really smart why would you try to slide that past anyone? That statement is a joke..Reminds me of my kid saying she'll only eat half of a cookie if I give it to her. Just saying your efforts, mostly noble at heart, is good....but wall street guys just laugh at you as they go to work, and the politicians (who of course reformed the business aspect of wall street in their favor) laugh all the way to the bank with the money you are making for them..Throw all your facts and web links out the window on me...Because your double talk doesn't work with me...But...if you must...go ahead and make your day...Please explain since your so sure you know me and what "box" I'm in..
What you did cannot happen now. The Reagan era was the point of no return beyond which our land of opportunity became the land of no regulations. And that was that.
First let me summarize your long response. "There is nothing wrong with being rich. No matter how rich. As long as it's made legally, it's fine."
I already responded to that. Like I said: "The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself." Allen Greenspan (Guess the date. You're gonna love this. Give up yet? SPRING OF '05').
If that's not good enough, Albert Einstein and Mariner Eccles both made similar points when referring to the great depression. The 30 year recovery involved a partial (and absolutely necessary) redistribution of wealth. If you don't believe it, let me know and I'll post the stats right here.
"The rich give back. They help the less fortunate."
Refer to the previous paragraph. In the meantime, consider this: The richest one percent in America are richer than ever. Their share of the nation's total wealth is in record high territory. The world's wealth is more concentrated than ever even after you account for this so called 'generosity'.
For the most part, I support OWS and it's various causes. I do not condone vandalism, violence, or harassment of children. I also don't believe your claim regarding harassment of children. It's bullshit. Otherwise, it would have made the news by now. It hasn't because it's bullshit. Either you're a liar or your one percent friends are liars. It's bullshit. OWS has not harassed any innocent children.
"Businesses are folding and/or leaving America because of you liberal bastards."
Bullshit. Most big business in America is doing very well. Profits in energy, healthcare, and finance are still in record breaking territory. Those who do outsource do so primarily because of outrageous demands for health coverage which are tied directly to those obscene charges and record high profits in health care. In addition, they outsource whenever possible to increase their own profit margins. Not simply to stay in business.
I never said that such a widespread protest can take place without unintended consequences. But the answer is not and will never be to stop. Only to keep the unintended consequences in mind and reduce them when possible. Just as long as it doesn't jeopardize the cause.
"There is no such thing as economic injustice."
Tell that to the 9 percent in America who are unemployed, the many more who are underemployed, the soldiers who have been foreclosed on while deployed overseas defending your right to insult them, the hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans, the hundreds of thousands of college grads who were fed a load of optimistic BS by two administrations and are now in debt by tens of thousands and can't even find a job in their chosen fields, the millions who have been hit with skyrocketing health care charges and premiums for coverage, the millions who have been hit with skyrocketing charges for energy, and the millions who have been hit with record high (and often hidden) finance charges. Keep in mind that all three of the industries I just implicated are still reaping record high profits.
Damn right you're in a partisan box. As promised, I will explain how a portion of one percent wealth has been stolen and a portion has been subsidized. I will do so immediately after I post this response.
"You don't want a reasonable degree of economic injustice. You want as much as you can possibly get."
No I don't. And the OWS cause is not to get rich. But most members of Western society do want as much as possible. That's another downside of unbridled capitalism. Not only is the greatest concentration of wealth in world history the single greatest underlying cause of economic instability. The very concept of extreme personal wealth is the most intoxicating and corrupt influence in the history of mankind.
You chew on that while I prepare the next entry.
The most profitable industries in the world (energy, healthcare, finance) have been given billions in government handouts and tax breaks. Meanwhile, they keep raising charges causing hardship for millions. With all those massive handouts, tax breaks, and obscene charges, profits rise to record high levels. Millions in bonuses are paid to the executives. With record high profits, record high dividends are paid. 40% of all dividends in the United States are paid to the richest one percent. All of this causes a gradual concentration of wealth and income. This results in a net loss for the lower majority who find it more and more difficult to cover the record high cost of living, which again, is directly proportional to record high profits for the rich. As more and more people struggle to make ends meet, more and more financial aid becomes necessary. Most of which goes right back to the health care industry through Medicare, Medicaid, and a very expensive prescription drug plan. This increases government spending. This has been happening for 30 years now. During the same time, tax rates have been lowered drastically for the richest one percent. Especially those who profit from investments. These people pay only 15 percent on capital gains income. As even more wealth concentrates, the lower majority find it more difficult to sustain there share of the consumer driven economy. Demand drops as more and more people go broke. Layoffs results. Unemployment rises. This results in less revenue and more government debt.
Massive subsidies and tax breaks for Wall Street, massive tax breaks for the super rich, heavy concentration of wealth, record high charges (often hidden) along with record high profits and record high cost of living, more hardship for the lower majority, more government spending in the form of financial aid to compensate, more concentration of wealth, less demand, layoffs and unemployment. All of this results in slower economy and less tax revenue. At the same time more and more financial aid becomes necessary. It's a horrible downward cycle which gradually pushes the national debt higher and higher. The other big factors are the wars in the Middle East.
Here is a list of the top ten companies that not only paid little or no taxes but got huge corporate welfare from we the people.
1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings. Note: This claim was made by Forbes.com in April of '10'. Shortly after, they published a followup article which included a rebuttal by Exxon Mobil. Forbes.com did acknowledge a mistake based on incorrect line items filed by Exxon Mobil. http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2010/04/07/exxon-says-it-does-pay-u-s-income-taxes
2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.
3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.
4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.
5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.
6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.
7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.
8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.
9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.
10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.
Well, do you remember what started the great depression? Why did that happen?...Do you recall? Don't care who said what to bailout that one...Second of all, if you take a look at who is getting rich now, was never trying to say OWS was..From what I am seeing and hearing is that Van Jones has cleared a large sum already, Trumpka made a quick buck, the rest of these so called supporters are probably making a good chunk too...My point is, this movement seems to be pushing the wealth farther into a smaller number of hands...Not like they are envisioning. But knock yourself out...You still haven't given me anything that says" I need to listen to these people"...No clear direction, all he said she said, attack with useless facts that don't have anything to do with what they are saying, avoiding questions altogether..and last but not least are hurting peoples everyday lives to further their goals...Sounds like greed to me.
The Great Depression was caused by a record high concentration of wealth. Again, I have stats to back it up.
OWS supporters don't represent any individual. They represent a number of closely related causes. All of which represent some degree of economic justice. If you want details, then read. If you find frauds within the movement, by all means, call them out for it.
It will have no effect on the group in general. Check the news. We can't be intimidated. This is only the beginning.
Well, honest...I've been trying...Just no one makes any sense...Like I said earlier, it's all double talk and useless facts that don't have anything to do with the issue at question...Good facts, but don't justify violence, occupying a city park for 3 months, storming buildings, or locking them inside...Blocking traffic for hours on end...It seems pretty counter productive to me...I've tried over an over again to get answers but NOT ONE OWS has answered the questions asked, And when they give an answer they try to intimidate me with their brilliance...You maybe smarter than I am, but I don't think that this America is as bad off as you and others say it is...OWS is making my life miserable with what they are doing in this country, and I would really like to know what I did to have this thrown at me and my family? Please, just go home and stop this "I can change the world" nonsense...As far as intimidated...and this is only the beginning....non violent ?...Those sound like fighting words from where I come from...You sir can no longer tell me you are non violent. I have yet to try to intimidate anyone, I have only asked questions and spoke my mind, If that intimidates you than so be it...To stand up and say "We can't be intimidated"...is asking for violence.. And back to the great depression..Who concentrated the wealth ?... Not beat around the answer to benefit you writings..Look up how the wealth got concentrated and who was behind it....Check it out...I think you'll be surprised at what caused the concentration of wealth..
Bullshit. I've never once called for any sort of criminal activity. I've spoken out against it in this forum and also on talk radio.
Obscene profits in the mid '20's followed by huge tax breaks in 1928. Record high concentration of wealth by 1929. The richest one percent held 44% of all private wealth in America in 1929. That's way too much.
The 30 year recovery involved a partial redistribution. By 1976, the richest one percent held just 19% of all private wealth in America. Their share of private income was just 9% in 1976.
As of 2009, they reaped 21% of all private income and held 40% of all private wealth. These figures are more than two years old so it's certainly worse now.
Because of this obscene ratio in America and others like it across the developed world, not one of us will live to see a true recovery.
Mark my words: This crisis will drag on for years and lead into the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. Violence will inevitably break out across America and the world. I will never excuse criminal behavior. Never. But I know human nature.
The prosperity and civility of an entire world will be compromised. All because of a tiny little minority who refuse to settle for a reasonable share of the world's wealth and resources.
Greed kills. It will be our downfall.
You can call B.S. all you want...the statement "we will not be intimidated"...is asking for violence...You can deny it all you want but it's fighting words to start a conflict...tell ya what, walk up to anyone around you and give them that line and watch the reaction ya get...I'll give you 2/5 that will pop you in the mouth...Just sayin'..You ask for violence, and than claim non violent here...double talk again...as far as who ...you still haven't looked at who started the concentration of wealth back then...You keep trying to pull out all these facts of what happened, but don't come anywhere close to answering the question..It's not hard to look up, and I was pretty sure you are very smart...Any ways...thank you for your time today, I really did enjoy this....And best of luck to where ever your journey takes you... P.S. wasn't trying to intimidate or anger anyone ...just trying to grasp it all.
Again, bullshit. I'm not calling for violence. I'm calling for persistence. Legal protest, more responsible spending habits, more responsible voting, and no more pathetic love-affairs with filthy rich public figures.
I would have no reason to confront a stranger with that line unless they tried to intimidate me first. No reason to strike unless they struck first.
I am not calling for violence.
If you expect me to blame one political party or the government exclusively for the first Great Depression, you can forget it. I blame anyone and everyone who concentrated that wealth anywhere near the record levels seen in 1929. No excuses.
Was just trying to get you to understand that words are really important to some....You need to watch how and when you say things...Like saying "Hi, Jack" to your friend on an airplane....No intent of hi-jacking the airplane but will be taken differently on an airplane....Thought that might help stop some violence before it's started over just a word.... As for a party to blame...that's not what I was going for ...honest...but what started cornering the wealth was the social programs being introduced for the greater good....The money was changing hands between large corporations and congress, to prepare for a government subsidized income...The rich will stay rich...and give the poor what they as elite would decide.Those programs where fought out between many politicians, political parties and society as a whole....Sound familiar? Not saying good or bad, but history is in full swing here..That's why I came looking for answers, not a fight. You have been wonderfully civil compared to all the other people who have responded, and for that I thank you...I know are views have some differences, but I do believe we want America to be great....I just haven't been convinced that this OWS way is the way to do it. There has to be some way other than an occupation to make America great again...I really feel a lot are all looking for violence, Hammering our police force and saying that they are "pigs" and an arm of the establishment...Sorry again asking for violence...They are your neighbors, they wake up and go to work, and send their kids off to school. To work in a crowd of people has it's really intense moments, trust me ( I worked major concert events around the country for over 15 years). But throw in a bunch that won't obey some basic civilized behavior, shouting "PIG" and "WE WON"T BE INTIMIDATED" while wearing masks, and goggles..I think the officer might get violent...Just an observation..If OWS thinks the police are such bad people, who do they think the good people are? Does OWS understand that the police are keeping them safe from the Americans who are fed up with all this? For every protester there, there's one at home just waiting for OWS to come close...Might wanna think of that..Before the police walk away from the issue...There will be violence on both sides which is sad, but the person in that uniform is just doing his job...Some are good at it some aren't, .Miss guided by the bosses, maybe, probably, Hell I don't know...But It's really hard for me to believe that all the guys in riot gear were itchin' to crack some heads when he got up in the morning. Anyways...I've spent way to much time today here...maybe another time...Take care of yourself ,,you hear.?
Alright. We can agree to disagree on some issues. For the record, I have truckloads of respect for cops and I have defended them several times on this forum. It was a good debate and you were more civil than I was. You take care too.
Another fruitcake. I think 99% means you have to have an IQ of 99 or less to belong to OWS. Swarm on morons.
If our IQs are so low, then surely you can manipulate our feeble minds at will. Try to make us shut up. Go ahead. Give it your best shot.
That's what I thought. Say, that reminds me:
The ugly truth. America's wealth is STILL being concentrated. When the rich get too rich, the poor get poorer. These latest figures prove it. AGAIN.
According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans (actually, more like 98%), saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively.
The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.
The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion. In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009. Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. In 1928, the rich were already way ahead. Still, they were given huge tax breaks. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated 44 percent of all United States wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the lower majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed.
Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, some US wealth was gradually transferred back down to the majority. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. By 1976, the richest 1 percent held less than 20 percent. The lower majority held the rest. This was the recovery. A partial redistribution of wealth.
Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own 40 percent of all US wealth. The upper, middle, and lower classes are sharing the rest. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause. No redistribution. No recovery.
The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.
For the good of society, stop giving so much of your money to rich people. Stop concentrating the wealth. This may be our last chance to prevent the worst economic depression in world history. No redistribution. No recovery.
Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. Most major cities have daily call-in talk radio shows. You can reach thousands of people at once. They should know the ugly truth. Be sure to quote the figures which prove that America's wealth is still being concentrated. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.
Too stupid to reason with.
Next.