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Forum Post: This is why Obamacare is a "Big F*ckin' Deal" & Why Private Health Ins Corps Will Be Driven Out Of Business.!

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 12:32 p.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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Health Care Is the public option dead? Not quite. Posted by Sarah Kliff at 10:00 AM ET, 01/14/2012

Jonathan Bernstein wonders whether, post-health reform, liberals have forgotten about the public option. Politically, he finds, there’s decent support for saying they have:

It’s still very early, but the first hints are a lot less promising than I would have expected for public option supporters. I checked the web sites of non-incumbent Democrats running for the Senate with decent chances of winning this year: those running in open seats and weak Republican seats in Nevada and Massachusetts. Of the seven candidates in six states that I looked at who had issue positions listed (a few still have only placeholder or minimal sites so far), none of them mentioned a public option. None. Two mentioned drug reimportation; two didn’t mention health care at all.

But in terms of policy, it’s a bit of a different story: A handful of states are using the health reform law to test out various government-run health plans.

NPR’s Sarah Varney reports on the Alameda Alliance for Health, a nonprofit health plan run by a county in Northern California that plans to compete against private insurance companies when the state’s health insurance exchange launches in 2014:

In 2014, under the federal health overhaul law, millions of Americans will be able to buy coverage through state-based insurance exchanges. In California, government-run public plans, like the Alameda Alliance for Health, will go head-to-head with private insurance companies to compete for all those new customers, and those who run the county plans believe they can offer a robust network of doctors and hospitals to bargain shoppers looking for low-cost coverage.

“I think when some people get to make a choice,” says [Alameda Alliance for Health CEO Ingrid] Lamirault, “having local offices they can walk into and get help with things and get their questions answered, and when they call customer service they get their calls answered in under two minutes. Those kinds of things are important to them.”

Other states, too, are taking some steps toward similar approaches. Montana is exploring how to open up its Medicaid program to public employees and, eventually, to any citizens in the state, although it’s unclear whether the state will receive waiver authority to do so. Oregon is toying with a similar approach just as Vermont moves forward on its plan to go single-payer. The public option may not have much political traction, but in terms of state policy it isn’t dead either.

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[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

OH NO!
If the insurance companies are driven out of business,
who will pay our congressmen?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

update on vt progress on single payer health care.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

This is how it will happen. on the state level. We can put priv ins out of business.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

we do not need to cut benefits - we need to cut costs - the ins co is one very important element. There are many.
Another is a pill priced $5.00 in America and $0.25 in Canada

and I know you've heard my sameold sameold -
disconnect capitalism from democracy
make it illegal for drug & ins co to give money to politicians
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Heard it & support it!

Big pharma is a big part of the problem & we must agitate yet still to improve that part of our health costs.

We only took one tentative small step. Much more must be done.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Cap/reduce/control Profits over people. Fucking DOWN With GREED.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Generally I'm a fan of altering existing systems rather than replacing them
Among other things, replacing will garner far more resistance .
two examples:

reduce guns with high registration fees & high pe nalties & buy back - rather than confiscation

Don't cap profits - tax them much more - a corporate AMT of 20% would raise more than one trillion dollars

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We can get public option healthcare with existing ACA.

http://www.nationofchange.org/don-t-your-health-insurance-make-your-own-1364224477

But congress continues to chip away at the possibility because they serve the private health care industry.

We MUST agitate all pols to defy the private health care industry.

Thank you.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fracking Frackers?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

If we owned the government - in stead of corps - we would not have to worry about fracking

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Why, big oil, big pharma, big agri, big finance, and big whoever else. Theres plenty more where that comes from

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Go ask Geico and State Farm how those mandates are doing you dumb shit.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Expand public option!. Force Governers to join public option (medicaid) And agitate ALL pols to expand Medicaid/Medicare to cover ALL Americans and put private health insurance corps out of business

http://www.care2.com/causes/what-happens-when-you-cant-afford-life-saving-health-care.html

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Oppose the divide & conquer tactic from the right!!

http://www.nationofchange.org/trumped-war-between-generations-1366469067

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

C'mon Didn't you claim you supported single payer? This is how we will do it. Whaddyathink?

Co. voting on single payer

http://www.kktv.com/news/elections/headlines/Colo-Senate-Debating-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Proposal-202684241.html#.UW8yqsr741c

ACA is flexible so that single payer option can be implemented at the state level

This why the ACA is "a big fuckin deal"

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You bought a lie. '

there will be no single payer

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

is VT efforts on single payer also a lie?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

So Co ain't workin on single payer? It's a lie I bought?

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

How encouraging is this?

Co. voting on single payer

http://www.kktv.com/news/elections/headlines/Colo-Senate-Debating-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Proposal-202684241.html#.UW8yqsr741c

ACA is flexible so that single payer option can be implemented at the state level

This why the ACA is "a big fuckin deal"

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Co. voting on single payer

http://www.kktv.com/news/elections/headlines/Colo-Senate-Debating-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Proposal-202684241.html#.UW8yqsr741c

ACA is flexible so that single payer option can be implemented at the state level

This why the ACA is "a big fuckin deal"

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

R's refuse ACA, 99%rs Die!

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17901-us-citizens-will-die-because-of-the-republican-governors-who-won-t-expand-medicaid

Please agitate for Repu gov's to approve medicaid (public option!!!) expansion

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We CAN force private health insurers out of business, VT is working hard to do just that.

http://www.reformer.com/ci_22919894/vermont-is-first-state-post-health-insurance-rates?source=most_emailed

We must follow their lead.

And not ask Geico and state farm a goddamn thing. .

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Romney- "State's can do whatever they want with health care!" Kucinich- "Damn straight they can"

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Single payer coming to VT!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

We must protest all pols in our respective states to implement a single payer system.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Aaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha!

Reoubs cave in to support Obamacare and healthcare for the near poor.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/20/3244176/fla-medicaid-privatization-plans.html

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Kucinich voted 90% with the dems and is part ofthe progressive caucus with mostly dems (no repubs).

Romney has vowed to repeal ACA. Does Kucinich support repeal?

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I don't know if he does. I don't see why Kucinich would since he kept the public option alive by insisting on state's rights.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

He does not support repeal. he is with Pres Obama on this.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It's not dead. But this country is currently run by fascist slimeballs.

Until you get some decent people in office, and that doesnt happen by simply voting against the maniacs, then you can expect more forced corporatism.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The ACA facilitates the creation of the public option. So that covers that.

As far as the fascist slime balls. It's up to us, the people to change that. There is nothing the people cannot do.

Elect progressives, Vote out fear mongering republicans

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Please point out the section that facilitates that, or shut up.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"shut up"? - Please refrain from the offensive comments.

I point to the states that are looking at starting their own public option, Vermont, Montana, Oregon. NY, and CA will be close behind.

So have no fear Pres Obama is here!

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 2 years ago

Could you explain to me how the ACA facilitates what you are saying? Specifically, with references since you seem informed on the 2000 pages of the law. Also; Are you aware that Obama and congress are exempt from the ACA? So why won't they give up their health plan and sign on to this one ?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

How great is this? Finally caving to the fact that the ACA will help people.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/08/1690341/top-republicans-demand-that-obama-provide-coverage-to-people-with-pre-existing-conditions/

Now let's ratchet up the pressure to put private health insurance corps out of business by implementing medicare for all.

And let's imprison big pharma & med supply corps who price gauge us.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2136867,00.html

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

Now 6 months? You really have no life do you? Thanks for the confirmation that you are VQ!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

After three months? See above note also to DKA. How did this suddenly come up for both of you within an hour of each other? Are the two of you talking privately and searching on my user name? Time for some honesty on this one! We had a conversation about this already. And then again two months later.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I came upon a new article related to healthcare, I searched my old post on healthcare, found a user who didn't agree and responded.

That's all. no mystery. Just wanna update you with new progressive ideas to benefit the 99%.

I'm not sure why DK is commenting on this but I can say honestly that he and I did not collude in anyway.

Cool.?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Are you sure? I mean I got this e-mail from Erik Paulsen:

Thank you for letting me know of your support for reforming Congress.

I am working to fix and reform a broken Congress and change how business is done in Washington. Many of the more generous benefits that Members of Congress used to receive have been eliminated. For example, Members of Congress must participate in Social Security just like all other Americans and are not exempt from the President's healthcare law. In addition, any changes to federal employee benefits will also apply to Members of Congress.

Our national debt is $16 trillion and is larger than the size of our entire economy. This spending-driven debt crisis threatens our economic and national security. We must keep every line item of the budget on the table when it comes to cutting spending, including Congressional budgets, so that Congress leads by example.

That's why I voted to cut Congressional office budgets by 5% in 2011 and another 6.4% in 2012. In addition, I have continuously voted to freeze pay for Members of Congress, to extend a pay freeze for all federal employees and to reduce the federal employee workforce.

Minnesota families and businesses have struggled through tough economic times by prioritizing and living within their means – Government should do the same.

Thanks again for sharing your concerns, as I appreciate hearing from you. Please let me know whenever I can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

Erik Paulsen Member of Congress

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

DKA. I have a question for you. This response was written 3 months ago. So how did you find it and why? Especially since VQ responded also after three months. Are the two of you having a private conversation and searching on my name? There is no coincidence here. Let's be honest. What going on?do you have a bone to pick? Especially since you never answered the moderator question.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nope - I try to read all of the comments that are made while I am on the site as well as try to look at as many new posts as possible - when I am not commenting or replying to comments or making a post of my own.

As to your comment from three months ago? I didn't note the date when I wrote my reply to it. Your comment I probably saw after reading VQ's comment then scrolling up and down to do a review of what was being said.

BTW - I thoroughly answered the moderator question - you? - Not so much.

I mean you have been here for over a year and have all of 416 karma points - you don't make many comments - but you appear to be here tracking things. So I am just as curious about you as you appear to be about me.

Sorry for any confusion.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The aca includes flexibilities for states that want to not have the mandate but only if the state can show they will cover all their citizens

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 2 years ago

Ok, states can opt out, which may be be fiscally advantageous, but what about the second part of the question?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

They must devise a way to cover all their citizens! What about it?

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 2 years ago

Do you believe that Obama and congress should be forced into the same health plan as the rest of us?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Sure. Whatever. It's a miniscule number. Irrelevant! I say takeaway their pensions. health care, and all other perks!

It's so tiny a number I have no interest in the symbolic battle.

No more on the ACA?

Vote out anti public option republicans

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 2 years ago

I do believe that the ACA bill was poorly written and will be bouncing around the courts and legislature for some time. And I worry that the estimated costs will be much higher than the stated numbers ( they always are). And that it will eventually become unaffordable to the tax payers of this country, adding more to the continuing debt growth. As for voting, I usually vote out incumbents at all levels of government. I prefer change to prevent the corruption of power.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

replace anti public option conservatives w/ pro public option progressives.

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

2 months ago? Really?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Time is fleeting, madness takes its toll"

"It's the only way to be sure"

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

You already responded 2 months ago. See below. Do you pay attention to anything or just like shouting in an empty room?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm not shouting. I thought the issue was important enough to revisit. Don't you?

I mean it is "a big fuckin deal"

Peace

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I vote the issues. I prefer progressive solutions to resolve the catastrophy created by conservative policy.

ACA is the best progress in providing humanitarian healthcare. It has enough flexibility so that when the costs get too high we can change things fairly easily to cut costs for the working class.

Vote out anti public option republicans

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

No mention is made of the states that have refused to cooperate with the ACA like Louisiana.

This "article" is a good example of political spin to try to make something relatively bad look good. The ACA is basically nothing more than a mandate to purchase health insurance, except for the lowest income earners. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Or my state which has also refused... Nebraska.

Nor does the article mention how it doesn't solve the problem of people who don't qualify for medicare and can't afford insurance. Being an estimated 7% cheaper doesn't solve that problem.

"Everyone must buy insurance! There's no free rides here!" - Barack Obama telling sick and injured poor people they're on a free ride since post election.

If at first you don't succeed, give up and compromise for a national version of the Mitt Romney plan.

We need a public option for healthcare just like the firemen who save houses.

This is a baby step and that's it. And there's no talk about advancing to the next step to a public option.

[-] 4 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The ACA may actually hinder the public option, since it presents the illusion of accomplishing something important; the article itself is proof of my premise.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

how so.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The ACA "... presents the illusion of accomplishing something important; the article itself is proof of my premise."

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

How is the article itself proof that ACA presents the illusion of doing something important.?

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The article implies the ACA has been the impetus in some states moving toward a more universal health system; that this is but the first "small step for mankind." The ACA is none of that; it is an insurance-purchase mandate, except for the lowest income earners. It is not a health care coverage law, but little more than a mandatory health insurance law. Now, some states are seeing how to implement the law using the existing system.

The people of any state could have agitated for universal health care before the ACA. Obama promised a universal health care bill, what he and the Congress delivered was a mandatory insurance and coverage bill.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The public option is in the works Have no fear. The people could have agitated before" Yeah we didn't. Remember? We let the Tea Party define the discussion.

We are awake (thanks to OWS) Now we WILL agitate! And the brilliant ACA allows for the flexibility that WILL allow the creation of a public option.

The only way is for people to agitate in their given states. So either we do that, or we whine about the faliures the ACA represents.

Don't give up!

Elect progressives, Vote out anti public option politicians, And Agitate, Agitate, Agitate for a public option in your state.

It's the only way to be sure.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I thought that was explained.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Health care is a 'RIGHT'! Now let's create the public option & put the private health insurers out of business!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

nope

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Latest repub to cave on ACA

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/26/1642121/chris-christie-medicaid/

Another one bites the dust.

Texas must fall

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If Ins Co's are required to spend 85 % of ins money on actual care - then that might make a difference - If a cap is placed on fees for INS and Care and Pharma.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

If all those things happened, I could wake up on a yellow brick road headed for the end of the rainbow, but the ACA does none of that.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - I'm off to C the wizard..the wonderful wizard of.......

What has happened is many individuals who could not get ins before will have access now - Does much need to be improved corrected changed in the program(?) - you betcha.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

The bill does require those able to buy insurance to purchase insurance and provides mandatory coverage, but does nothing to control costs for those, who must pay the mandatory insurance premiums.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Govt must negotiate w/ drug corps

Support this effort.

http://www.alfranken.com/index.php/splash/e1304rx/e/e130405c

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[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Vt is on their way to implementing single payer health care!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

We must agitate our respective states to implement single payer everywhere and put private insurance out of business.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Why are state Repubs against expanding medicaid to cover working Americans? Especially when the cost will be lower for the state?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/07/nation/la-na-medicaid-20130208

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The ins mandate needs lots and lots and lots and lots of work before it approaches something like good. But perhaps this is how change will get started - piss off everyone in sight - and maybe - just maybe - they will decide that government has been left to wander on it's own for far too long.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Support the public option. vote out anti aca republicans

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Occupy strikedebt needs your support

http://strikedebt.org/lifeordebt/

Please take action.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But VT is gonna do it. So get off your ass and force the Nebraska state govt to implement a public option.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

This is how it will happen. on the state level. We can put priv ins out of business.

If that is what you really want.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

THIS is how we can put private health insurance corps out of usiness.

http://www.nationofchange.org/don-t-your-health-insurance-make-your-own-1364224477

Agitate all pols to stop shipping away at this possibility.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Except that the flexibility is in the ACA to facility the creation of a public option if the people of a given state agitates for it.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Time 4 coalition building to make ACA more affordable andcover those left out.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/15569-the-next-big-obamacare-battle-the-low-wage-workers-who-get-left-out

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Action alert: Lifeordebt free healthcare.

https://www.facebook.com/events/147115705449521/?ref=14

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Upd on health care reform.

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-biggest-challenge-may-coming-103621699.html

We must agitate ALL pols to implement single payer public option health insurance.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You need more vision. We could not get a public option. The repubs obstructed that.

The only to get a public option was to get this bill in place which lays the ground work for states to do exactly what they are starting to do.

We will have a public option if people in the states agitate their state govt to enact it. It is up to the people. I say it is up to progressive people to rise up and demand our states to take advantage of the flexibility in the ACA that allows a public option. I say it is up to YOU.

Agitate for your state to take advantage of the flexibility in the ACA that allows the creation of the public option. Certainly you aren't supporting a public option if you attack the law that allows states to enact the public option.

do you support a public option? Are you against the mandate? Then your path is clear! Agitate your state to enact the public option!

"Its the only way to be sure"

[-] 0 points by KevinLark (-103) 1 year ago

Nancy piglosi!!!!! We have to pass the bill first and then see what's in it

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Don't be childish. name calling only shows the impotence of your argument.

Try honest civil discussion. it is life affirming.

Peace.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Obama didn't want state's rights in the new HC. It was people like Kucinich that wanted state's rights. Guess that makes Kucinich a federalist.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

There is absolutely flexibility for states in the ACA, provided they cover all their citizens.

That is the back door to a public option that VT, MT, & other states are looking at.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Thanks to Kucinich.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Kucinich is the man. Too bad the repubs redistricted his ass out of power.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Kucinich wanted to keep a public option alive and he had to settle for it on a state level. Someone in Washington has to actually do some thinking. Obama will take credit for it if states manage to do anything positive on their own.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The states will have to get a waiver from Pres Obama after he reviews their plan.

And of course Pres Obama did have to approve and sign the aca.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I doubt he would stand in the way of states leaning towards a public option.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Universal healthcare now! Just a reminder, that we must get in the streets & protest all pols to create the progressive change that the rest of the civilized world has already done.

http://www.upworthy.com/map-this-would-be-why-the-us-isnt-really-considered-a-grown-up-country?c=upw1

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Obviously not, he supports the public option and creating the waiver flexibility was the plan to back door into the public option.

That was the plan!

Peace

[-] 0 points by TheRazor (-329) 2 years ago

How will one pay for a public option? Value added tax? Higher payroll deductions?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Defeat anti public option republicans

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Expand Medicaid, save lives!

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/life-or-death/

Agitate all pols support public option.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Ar Rep Gov Support ACA

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/15/arizona-gov-jan-brewer-learns-to-love-obamacare/

Jan Brewer. Aaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Whatta joke!

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Take it from the wealthy

[-] 0 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

That could easily be accomplished with several different taxes to spread the pain. An increase in payroll taxes for both employers and employees would eliminate health-insurance costs, so actually be a bargain. A small VAT designated only for health care is another option. Finally, nothing like actually a true, progressive income tax, so those who benefit the most from society pay the most.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

take it from the greedy, selfish, lazy, fat ass, criminal 1% plutocrats who created the massive debt, are hoarding $32Tril off shore, and crashed the world economy.

Done! paid for!

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And no more deficit.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Lol

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Gone in an instant - POOF {:-])

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

If only.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Talk about catching up on back taxes and refusing unfair loop holes - what a show of altruism and support for society - Hey?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Exactly. we should end all deductins loopholes & shelters for the 1%'rs. That would be real money.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yet another reason to support Move to Amend and all such campaigns.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You I'm with you. move to amend must succeed before everything else can succeed

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25072) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

End corporate personhood and get money out of politics - there will still be plenty of hard battles left - But it will be a very good/essential start.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Just thought I'd give you an update on VT (Dems!!) 1st steps to implement a public option.

Vermont Democrats boldly passed the first step toward single-payer health care — and were under attack. So PCCC members supported Governor Peter Shumlin, State Treasurer Beth Pierce, and state legislators Kesha Ram and Jill Krowinski with 26,603 calls to key voters and thousands in donations to their campaigns. They all won, and single-payer is moving forward.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81267.html

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Agreed!

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[-] -1 points by PerfectCast3 (-36) 1 year ago

Its not that great. Here is a link to employee comments on the company itself.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Alameda-Alliance-for-Health-Reviews-E28292.htm

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It is up to us (the people) to agitate ALL pols to expand the public option (medicare/caid) and put the private health insurance corps out of business.

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

So it is bad to downvote a comment I disagree with but it's ok to wish me a painful death?

Aaaaaaaaahha ha ha! Your too much.

Why don't you put your immature vanity/ego aside (& the meaningless karma points) and comment on the public option healthcare topic that is so critical to helping the 99% improve the economic inequity that the corp 1% oligarchs have subjected us to.

[-] -1 points by PerfectCast3 (-36) 1 year ago

I have always been in favor of a limited public option, funded by a VAT, covering basic healthcare. ER visits, flu shots, well baby care, broken arms, basic medicines,maternity care, pediatric medicine.

Its has to be funded with a regressive VAT. Not because i like a VAT but because it only works if EVERYONE pays into it.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I think we can fund it with progressive tax that allows for everyone to pay into it. I think the best approach is to start taxing all income (cap gains, rents, royalties, etc) with a small health care tax that increases with increased income.

The more you make, the more you can afford to pay. That's fair & healthy for the economy.

[-] 1 points by PerfectCast3 (-36) 1 year ago

You are so lame. So predictable. VQpussy. If you want European healthcare, you need a European VAT. There isnt enough money in the things you mentioned to cover healthcare but you just like to posture. Start proposing honest sensible ideas as I do, you moron. Medicare costs $13000 per enrolleee. There are 48 million enrollees. If Medicare were extended to all, the premium might fall to $10000/enrollee but that would need $2.5 trillion to be properly funded. Given that the entire economy of the US is about $15 trillion, we need a VAT of about 17%, which is close to what European's pay, just for healthcare.

Please think in honest math, or doom yourself to horrific cancer.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

"horrific cancer"? LMFAO. Your like a 12 year old.

There is absolutely enough money amongst the wealthy. They are hoarding trillions!

And your numbers are all exaggerated. In addition you underestimate the cost savings from the larger group of public option enrollees.

There are additional savings we will impose as well. like drug price negotiations, There will be massive savings from eliminating price gauging private health insurance corps who pass on their costs for obscene exec compensation, lobbying, ads. And I assumne we will cut the costs of malpractice insurance as well.

So you childish name calling does not change the fact that we can provide a better health care system without doing on the backs of the working class with ignorant regressive VAT!

Sorry. You're absolutely wrong.

NEXT!!

[-] 0 points by PerfectCast3 (-36) 1 year ago

MEDICARE already has all that built in. Europe already has been down this road and their experience and tax rate is close to what i have proposed. You just SAY all the above, without a shred of proof.

What execs in Medicare reaping huge salaries? Prove that the welthy are hoarding trillions.

What is Europe doing wrong that forces them to have a 21% VAT/

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This ain't Europe. And there is no one"European plan" Europe is many countries each with their own health plan.

Medicare does not allow for drug price negotiation, the exec compensation, lobbying, & ad costs I referred to was in regards to PRIVATE health insurance corps which we will replace, put out of business, and save massive amount of money.

I have offered as much proof as you have.

Suckah!

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[-] -1 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 2 years ago

The Federal Government will eventually become the sole provider of health care. Sooner than you think. Why are you panicking?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Agitate for public option in your state now or you will continue to robbed by private insurance corps.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I ain't panicking. That's better than private insurance corps.

[-] -2 points by brudlo (-454) 2 years ago

quoting the potty mouth VP? biden, the gift that never stops giving.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

VP Biden is a great soldier for the 99% & recognized the strategy of the creeping public option.

Private health ins corps days are numbered. And thats a big Fuckin day

[-] -1 points by brudlo (-454) 2 years ago

bidin is an idiot.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That is useless offensiveness. Please try to stick to substantive contributions that move the discussion forward.

Thank you

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