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Forum Post: This Site Is Quickly Becoming Irrelevant.

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 29, 2011, 4:55 a.m. EST by XXAnonymouSXX (455)
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Is it safe to say we haven't really accomplished anything with this site? Mostly it is just a bunch of fighting and childish behavior. I know I have been guilty of it myself. Only because I am passionate about real change. But I feel nothing is really happening. Just another tool to keep us distracted from reality. Why is that?

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[-] 3 points by Algee (182) 10 years ago

Don't let them claim victory over this site! It is the people's sanctuary of free thought, we must keep it and fight back. Let your voices be heard and don't let them silence you. We must keep this place ad keep on fighting in the real world, fight on all fronts and bring people out of the dark cave and into the light of reason and humanity.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 10 years ago

There are great conversations and communications going on here, but we're not getting any help from the admins and mods. Who are they?

This site is not run by NYC's Occupy Wall Street activists. http://occupywallst.org/forum/statement-at-nycga-on-this-site-an-autonomous-affi/

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[-] 2 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 10 years ago

One day soon people that were here will wish they had supported the 99% Declaration. OWS and specifically the NYCGA fiddles while Rome burns.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

It's worse than irrelevant, it's destroying the reputation of this movement!!!!

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

The movement lacks leadership, and without leadership things devolve into seemingly less and less relevant chatter.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 10 years ago

The events above noted gave unmistakable evidence of the unity of American sentiment against British oppression; but something more must be done to bring about united action. There must be some central authority to which all the colonies could turn for guidance. This political union came about in the formation of a Continental Congress. This Congress was the result of a spontaneous and almost simultaneous movement throughout the country. From New York came the first call. Paul Revere had been sent from Boston on a fleet horse to rouse the people of New York and Philadelphia, but ere he reached the former the Sons of Liberty had taken action for a congress. The Massachusetts legislature added its voice in June. Delegates were chosen in all the colonies except Georgia, and they met in Carpenter's Hall, Philadelphia. Among them we find such leaders as Washington, Lee, and Henry of Virginia, Dickinson of Pennsylvania, Samuel and John Adams of Massachusetts, Roger Sherman of Connecticut.

The Congress was not a constitutional body; many of its members had been chosen irregularly. Its authority was limited to the willingness of the people to respect and obey its suggestions and mandates. The very fact of its existence had a meaning of great significance, but it was too profound for the comprehension of George III.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

I don't clearly see what you are driving at in relation to our present circumstances.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 10 years ago

OWS needs a legit political union, not this site and not the NYCGA.

Third Continental Congress NOW all roads lead to Philadelphia

[-] 2 points by Mowat (164) 10 years ago

I think many of the honest people need to get their facts straight before they post comments. The sources of facts should also be honest: Don’t go to liar mainstream media - checkout WWW.REALNEWS.COM

We should also be aware of the heavy presence of trolls (the 1% side and their beneficiaries) and completely ignore them. Don't reply to their posts in order not to encourage them. Don't let them get what they are aiming at: discrediting this movement. One more thing: please encourage people by posting positive advice.

We really need to work hard to achieve the freedom and justice which are the rights of all human beings.

Not doing anything is not good for us and will keep us enslaved to those greedy bastards. We work hard and they spend our savings in gambling and strip parlors. Not to mention forcing wars on us to make our young men and women die, and suffer forcing them to kill people overseas including innocent children.

[-] 1 points by Perspective (-243) 10 years ago

The only person enslaving you is yourself.

[-] 1 points by MESSAGE (1) 10 years ago

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[-] 1 points by infonomics (393) 10 years ago

Isn't it very ironic that the very thing we detest is the very thing we've become. This site is a mirror image of Congress. Where is the mystery? Human nature is no mystery.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 10 years ago

Well, this is something that is getting started in Harlem and the Bronx:

http://www.ideasforsolutions.com/

IdeasForSolutions Home Page Mission Statement IdeasForSolutions.com exist for the sole purpose of linking together the individuals whom are ready to have their voices heard and work for change. From this platform we will link together like-minded people by the issue they care about & by the approach they want to use to have their grievance not only heard but fixed. Imagine a movement that welcomes all people, to fight all issues, by way of multiple approaches, under a united platform. We intend to be that platform. Empower everyone, collect ideas, and put them into action. Together we will change the world. People, their happiness, their quality of life, and their perspective is always worth the effort.

Bi-Weekly Event

IdeasForSolutions will be hosting a gathering at central park every other Sunday until the world becomes more condusive to most people being happy. It is our responsibility as a conscious minded generation to set right the wrongs of this world and leave behind a baggage free clean slate for the generation who will inherit this planet long after we have passed. We are constantly evolving as a species. Although it may not be something you are consciously aware of, you are aware of it. We have no idea how much further the youth we raise can evolve the utilization of this universe. They may cultivate the moon, extend the life of the sun, develop technologies we can not even conceive . But they also may not if we hand them our baggage to deal with. Own the responsibility you were born into in the first society where it is possible. We have the accountability if we use it correctly. We have the compassion to live and let live. We have the resources to accomplish it. We can change everything, if we choose. This is the first generation where we possess knowledge over the tools to hold leadership accountable. It is also the first generation where the leadership vows to stand by the people, all the people. Let's test that. Let's see if it's true. But that will only be possible when we can care about more then what we personally relate to. i think its a good start to form a meeting ground where we can fight what we want, where we want, and how we want with like minded allies. By keeping this meeting ground consistent people will be able to integrate with others whom seek a better life as well. Learn to cross support. Our own judgment is the only thing standing in the way of us having our better world.

The event will start off by people taking turns standing up on soap boxes and speaking for five minutes about 3 things. They will tell their story, why they are unhappy, and their idea to fix it. We will split off into groups with people whom share our concerns. Then we will share ideas, skills, and resources that we all bring to the table. Then we will further break off into sub groups of people who have a like-minded approach to having their voice heard. Embrace the diversity and find community in it. The event will conclude with people planning their actions, exchanging information, and coming up with an agenda for the next two weeks. We will reconvene at the park bi-weekly to update each other on our progress, welcome new comers, and strengthen our community.

Common Concerns

Public Education, College, Healthcare, Jobs, Environment, War, Poverty, Homelessness, Hunger, Government, Police State, Equality, Foreign Relations, Money, Crime, Debt, Queer Rights, Corporatism, & more.

Although when these issues are laid out like this they seem overwhelming, they are actually all easy fixes, if the priority lay with the best interest of people and not with something else. The intention is not to belittle them, but to express the displeasure felt with the fact that they remain unresolved. People obviously care about these problems. The resources, technology, and compassion exist to fix them, all of them. The problem is not every one cares about all of them. They pick and choose which are important or unimportant, relevant or not relevant based on their walk of life. They are allowed to remain unresolved because someone who has huge issues with the school system does not care about homelessness. Someone who is passionate about resolving homelessness is not passionate about ending war. Someone who desperately wants world peace does not care about the environment. People pick and choose which problems are important or unimportant, or which one is the most urgent. They are all urgent. They are all causing people pain. As long as we don’t care about things that are not on our own doorstep we will continue to marginalize ourselves. When you marginalize you become easy to ignore. What does it matter how we got here? What does it matter who is right and who is wrong? What does it matter what a person believes? What does it matter how you view them? As long as they are not causing you harm let them be happy. Support them. When you judge someone else it is not a reflection of them, it is a reflection of you. Focus on something better. Also, when you allow someone to throw you off your path to happiness that is also a reflection of you and not the person that you feel is affecting you. They are only exposing your own demons and insecurities, but those demons lie with you. Only you can defeat them. Only you can release yourself from that prison. We are the only thing standing in the way of having whatever we want. Our own judgment. Fight for everyone. If we can trust each other, over time maybe we can have our utopia. Maybe we could have it all. All of our needs meet, issues resolved. A planet that is fair, kind to all it's inhabitants, and in return we are kind to the earth.

Future Of Ideas For Solutions

Ideasforsolutions will be shortly adding a forum to link individuals by city, issue, and idea. It will provide an online social network for like-minded individuals to find each other and have their voice heard about issues they want to be heard about and also more specifically find others whom share their approach on how to have their voice heard. All ideas heard. Through building community with like minded individuals better ideas will arise. Hopefully by sharing a platform and resources we can build a bigger community of like-minded individuals. we can learn to care about each others issues and organically start building the bond to making it all one cause. When we cross support and address all grievances we will have a number so huge it will not be ignored.

We aim to establish branches of this in every city of the united states then expand outwards. We believe it is now possible to begin the process of breaking down language and cultural prejudices, assumptions, and invisible boarders. Let's get to know the planet. It's possible to communicate internationally. If this is so we should do it. We can accomplish something far greater. People all over the world matter as well, and they have it much worse than us. They too want to be happy and wish you no harm. Things can change when compassion, education, and exposure lead to accountability.

For those of you who remember the civil rights movement you saw what the accountability of television did for quality of life. We plan on using the internet to generate that same level of accountability. We believe that through a combination of using the internet and bringing people to the site through a grassroots approach of word of mouth and flier distribution we can force the issue of change. With the technology we have available to us we can bring about a level of accountability that is brand new to this world if we chose to. We can be our own media. We can see why the priority does not lie with serving the best interest of most people, which is the point of democracy. Most people want something better.

Donations

When this website or the ideas that come to it need donations they will be asked for in the form of resources, not in the form of money. I realize this may complicate the lives of those whom seek to contribute, but i am hopeful that they will understand the reasoning behind it and think we are worth the effort. This will keep this project pure and free of the corruption, that monetary donations seems to drag with it everywhere.

Contact Information

IdeasForSolutions@gmail.com

FACEBOOK

YOUTUBE

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 years ago

You need to feed it properly!

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

See also people from all walks of life, from all over the political map "not" supporting a party or leader or group of leaders but "supporting an Ideal".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bgqt1YYko

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 10 years ago

The fighting and name calling on both sides are what stops any real progress. If people can't be civil on an anonymous site, how can folks make any real change out in the real world.

There are many good thoughts and ideas that come thru here, as well as some real doozies.

When folks think they are the only one with any real clue, thats when the progress stops. When folks get called trolls, and pigs and idiots, thats when commuication comes to a standstill.

When I hear the term the 99%, often I wonder 99% of what group, cause it sure is not represenative of ALL the people.

There are many ways to affect change,thru many voices and persepectives. Everyone who comes here is not unemployed, homeless or hungry. Many of us work hard, are indeed middle class and have a voice. As well as many who do small things in our communities to make change. I often hear the term here " community". Time to live that concept. Maybe it times to start in your very own communities.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 years ago

Discussions previously considered off limits are now open territory. That is an accomplishment. It may be the only one, but it is still a move towards the right direction.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

What types of discussions are you referring to?

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 years ago

The bankers control of government. The federal reserve and the players that pay for that corrupt government. There's two.

[-] 1 points by biteme514 (8) 10 years ago

OWS = KAOS. if you're expecting discussions on a web site as " getting something accomplished " good luck

[-] 1 points by Perspective (-243) 10 years ago

OWS has been irrelevant for a while now.

[-] 1 points by Kirby (104) 10 years ago

Too many trolls messing everything up. Death to trolls.

[-] 1 points by Durandus (181) 10 years ago

That's evidently due to the anarchic spirit of those who (can't) moderate this site. Just as a Host can throw rude and offensive guests out of their home and dinner party, so can Site Hosts evict the same who offend and obstruct meaningful dialogue. It ends with misrepresentation and intellectual pollution...though Occupy will survive, this site may well not.

[-] 1 points by aaabbbbccccc111111 (10) 10 years ago

I agree completely most people on here do not make sense....

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

All forums seem to be this way. We don't need this site to effect change though.

[-] 3 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

I agree. I am quickly becoming bored and aggrevated with this forum at the same time. I want to see something happening. We really need to be in washington occupying the capital. Maybe we would get their attention if we were in their face. It is easy to ignore this movement when it is so far away. I believe we really need this movement but at the same time we need it to actually start affecting change so that average americans will start to appreciate what it stands for. Most people think it is a bunch of lazy dirty people who want handouts. It pisses me off to no end to hear this from people I know. I want to fight for the movement but at the same time I want to know why I'm fighting for it. I'm mad as hell.

[-] 1 points by anonymoux (70) 10 years ago

At this point we should be focused on toppling the exsisting power structures. Phase 2 Direct Action ( see "To the Barricades" on adbusters) All the bullshit that we get involved talking about on this site only divides the movement. Maybe there is a safe irc where patriots can disscuss direct action in private

[-] 2 points by OccupyLink (529) 10 years ago

There is sometimes a difference of opinion. However, once this is resolved, then the two sides come together against the enemy. The enemy is Wall Street and particularly the Banks. Don't forget it.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

"To the Barricades" - Is that a reference to the French Barricades where violence from the rooftops was the main tactic?

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[-] 0 points by valfather (286) 10 years ago

I've had a lot of productive discussion on this site. And in a flash, every post I had made to the site was gone. Strange how the censorship thing works. What I suspect to have been the offending post which precipitated that irrational action on the part of the admin was fully sustainable from the available evidence. In this case absolutely direct evidence.

I see than when things get too real, the controllers get scared and start clamping down. OWS is (becoming) controlled opposition.

[-] 0 points by Doc4the99 (591) from Washington, DC 10 years ago

Its called trolls

[-] 2 points by elpinio (213) 10 years ago

No, it's because there are more people with common sense than without.

[-] 0 points by DanMich (49) 10 years ago

This site is one example why OWS is fizzling out. They had some good ideas but who wants to be a part of a group that is causing (social unrest, filth, drug use, rapes, murders, arrest, etc) not me

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

You must be talking about the teabaggers.

They definitely beat OWS to all that you suggest.

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Then what the fuck are you doing here?

Paid?

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[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

http://occupywallst.org/article/WOW-statement/#comment-546957

Here's an exchange I had with agnosticnixie. She's the most active moderator on this forum. She resides in Laval, an island just north of Montréal.

You'll notice she calls me a troll. This should make you very happy XXAnonymouSXX. I'm honest, so I asked her to ban me if she thinks I'm trolling. At this time, my goal is to help this forum cleanse itself from spam and trolling. I offered her my advice, and am waiting for a reply. If I get banned because the moderators think this is a good thing for the forum, then I will accept it. I will not try to come back by creating a new moniker as so many trolls are doing. I want to set a good example. The important thing is to get a good forum that fosters intellectual discussions. If this means self-sacrifice, then so be it.

[-] 2 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

How sweet. I really want to believe you're a good guy but its difficult when you don't leave the posts alone. I don't agree with a lot of the crap on here. A lot. But I will never try to deface them. If I don't like where the post is going I leave. Its very easy. Just hit the back button.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

We all have different opinions about what's right and wrong. I like to express myself by defacing the posts of conspiracy theorists. I think it's important to kill illogical thought. It's also fun to slice and dice images in the posts of these nut jobs. They always freak out like infants without the guiding light of a caring mother and their lash backs have the advantage of showing their true colors. They always end up looking like idiots when they get a little angry.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

So anyone who gets upset and angry is an idiot? Yep you're a nutjob for sure now. That's one of the most ignorant comments I've read so far. Thanks for proving people right.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

I didn't say people who get angry are idiots. Learn to read. I said they end up looking like idiots. It's not the same thing.

Serious intellectuals don't get upset and angry like children. They calm down and think before they post. Do you see me getting angry like a child without the guiding light of a caring mother. Of course not. I'm an adult. It's just a forum. Relax. There's no need to pout and shout like a five year here.

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

Because you are trying to organize a social revolution: which requires close human personal relationships to be built from people coming together and GROWING together ... trying to use an anti-social machine:and an anti-social medium to create a social revolution is an OXYMORON The machines you use have been designed to keep you isolated and alienated from the rest of humanity in order to control you better:

Computers and the internet are the biggest time wasters ever invented. They destroy the human ability to bond with other people in children.

You want to change the world? Then do it by not buying into the mass propaganda and mass brainwashing which the owners sell you and you swallow. Shut off your machines and meet together in person and don't use impersonal mechanical abstract mediums to communicate.

if you can't do that: your movement is doomed.

The only OWS activists who are committed to this fight against the entire establishment are the people who lived together in tents in the park and got to know each other PERSONALLY: and shared their food and clothing and life and time and energy with each other, and cooperated intelligently with each other as a living breathing COMMUNITY:

Because none of you deprived freaks have never experienced living together as a community. Because you have no social skills. Because you are brainwashed into isolating yourselves from all hum,an contact and staring at flat screens instead of touching and speaking to living human beings... because you are emotionally DEAD and have no human feelings, because the society you were born into has DEHUMANIZED YOU to the point where you don't know how to form any close, intimate lasting human bonds.... because this is the social PLAN of the elite: this is how they keep all of you isolated... divide and conquer: by dividing all of you into powerless isolated alienated individuals who don't have the guts to go to an OWS meeting and speak to other living human beings... you're fucked. You're screwed.

You don't even realize that how they control you is by selling you cell phones, text message pads, computers, TV's X-boxes, video games, virtual reality video games, Pacman games, movies, etc etc etc... Look at da TV show! Don't look at each other or talk to each other. Look at da MOVIE! Don't look at each other. Look at da computer screen! Don't spend any time talking to another human being human being. How fucking obvious can you get!> You've been programmed to ignore each other even when you're in the same fucking room!

As long as they can keep you sitting down staring and listening to shit and not coming together in person: there will be no revolution. As long as they can keep you talking to a machine instead of a living human being:There will be no uprising: because that is how you have all been suckered into living. Selling you expensive toys so they can make billions of dollars off you.

All machines are tools to keep you distracted from what is REALLY important: human beings.

Look at your SHIT capitalist materialist consumer culture:

You want more money: for what? You want to improve your kitchens: not yourselves. You want to remodel your homes: improve your homes: not yourselves. You want to improve your cars: get a better engine, better gas mileage: You don't want to improve yourselves; You want to watch sports: you don't want to improve your health by being active and playing sports. You want to eat shit that is not good for you: you don't want to improve your health. be changing what you eat and doing more exercise You want better schools: you don't want to educate yourselves about the true facts. You want a better society: you don't want to be a better human being. You want people to do things for you: you don't want to do things for anyone but yourself. You want people to listen to you: you don't want to listen to anybody but yourself. You want society to change: you don't want to change yourselves. You want to sit on your ass all day doing nothing: you don't want to go in person to an OWS meeting, and even more spoiled... you expect them to change the world and do it all FOR you, without any of you having to lift a finger to help them. You want other people to give you all the answers to your questions: you don't want to find the answers yourself.

"Gimme gimme gimme... gimme da answer whaaaa.... I don't like da answer Whaaaa! I don't like the truth. I prefer to be lied to and babble bullshit onna internet with all the other freaks who are anti-social nut cases. I'm unhappy because I'm all alone and selfish and spoiled rotten and I don't want to change one of my own rotten spoiled habits and addictions. I just want to change the habits of the richest most powerful people inna world... And I wanna do it by sitting on my ass doing nothing all day but tapping on [plastic keys."

Do have any conception of how STUPID all of you are? How infantile you are? How detached from reality you are? How brainwashed you are? How illogical all of you are? How unable to communicate all of you are?

The more you use machines: the more you BECOME like a dead machine, the more you ACT like a machine, until you're an inhuman freak that is not able to hold a sane, reciprocal conversation with another living human being. until you are not human any more: you're a programmed mechanical android . The more you love toys and machines: the less you like living human people. Until lonely insane computer freaks take their fucking machines out on a date. Instead of taking out a living girl .they take their fucking machine out on a date so they can EAT FOOD with their machines and DRINK COFFEE with their fucking machines...

Guess what. Machines do not eat food and they do not drink coffee.

You have a choice: Life or death. Living humans or dead machines. You can't have both. Machines have been killing human beings for thousands of years. Without machines and tools that kill;: people couldn't kill anything even if they wanted to.

Get a fucking brain that works. Get a brain transplant. Get a better education. Learn how to read a book. learn how to think. Learn how to think logically. Do anything except coming onto internet forums and asking fucking STUPID questions. Find your own fucking answers.

The problem is: you fucking idiots think that facts and the truth is a matter of personal taste and choice. It isn't. No matter what your fucking personal spoiled bullshit opinion is: the sky will not turn green to suit your fucking personal wishes. The sky is blue whether you fucking like it or not. Greed is a social disease whether you like it or not. All of you are infected with this social disease whether you like it or not. All of you need to change YOURSELVES first, before you change anything else: whether you fucking like it or not. And all of you are too fucking spoiled rotten to do it. ..

[-] 2 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

You're way off buddy. You really believe that the people who use the forum are just sitting in front of the computer all day doing nothing? You're wrong. A lot of us have jobs. I just come here to get updates on what the movement is accomplishing. And guess what? I don't see anything being done. Im tired of his shit. The movement is doomed because it isn't in the right place. It is just a distraction to keep us busy while the globalists destroy our world as we know it. We are headed for real trouble.

[-] 1 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

wrong: you're full of shit. You haven't read and comprehended a single word I posted. You expect things to change without you getting involved in the OWS movement? Go fuck yourself and your spoiled consumer attitude. Quit your fucking job and join them in their fight or shut your mouth and go away.

[-] 2 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

You're a fucking asshole douchebag. Just like all the other trolls, real tough when you're sitting behind a computer but outside of that you're a big fucking pussy. See I can use ignorant language to you shit stain of a human. You go fuck yourself. And. BTW you can kill things with your bare hands dumbass, you don't need tools. You're the fucking idiot. What are you doing to help humanity besides showing people what a complete assbag looks like. Eat shit! Wait you already have because that's all that comes out of your mouth! Who do you think you are? You don't know me and you certainly don't know anything about the close human bonds that I have with other people. In my opinion it is all about human contact. I only care about humanity. We all desire happiness without suffering. In that we are all the same. You don't know shit about me so I will thank you to stop pretending that you do.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

you keep on saying that I don't know you: you're the same troll who says that I don't know him every time I hit a nerve of truth. 100% bullshit.troll with endless handles is what you are.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

U might want to read my posts dick I am clearly not a troll and I out trolls on a regular basis. Nothing I have written on here is even in the realm of a troll. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth tough guy. And BTW this is the only name I post under. I don't have any other "handles". You're totally paranoid dude. I supprot this movement 100% but I'm getting fed up with this site in a hurry. Wake up! You're sounding more and more like a troll every minute.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

You're a computer freak hiding behind secrecy

Every single one of you paranoid idiots are afraid of people finding out who you really are:

Either you tell me who you are you are a TROLL hiding behind multiple handles.

There's no point is babbling with paranoid liars and idiots who do not want anyone to know who they really are.

Who are you? If I don't know who you are and you refuse to tell me: THERE'S NO POINT IN TALKING TO YOU YOU STUPID PARANOID IMBECILE

Until you READ AND COMPREHEND WHAT I POSTED and respond intelligently : you're a TROLL You have not read or comprehended what I posted: and you have not responded intelligently: YOU'RE A FUCKING TROLL

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Yeah you sound like a schitzophrenic. You might wanna get some meds for that. Did your mother name you turok? Sounds an awful lot like a shitty video game title. Oh I remember you like hunt dinosaurs or something......yeah that's it. What a freak! By the way my name is Nate and I'm not afraid of anything except the direction this world is headed. But seriously get help bro.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

My first name is INDREK What's yours you paranoid shitface> eh? I live in MONTREAL Where do you live? I'm a licensed massage therapist and a contractor What do YOU do, eh?
I earn my own living. I WORK for a living. Are you unemployed? eh? Does your mommy pay for the food you eat, eh? I graduated from SCHOOL over 40 years ago Are you still in grammar school, eh? you paranoid shitface?

Who are you? Do you play any sports? do you have any hobbies except trolling on a fucking computer? eh?

Do you have any political AGENDA? eh?

Do you support the Occupy movement? EH?

Tell us something about yourself: you paranoid shit or shut you r paranoid mouth.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

By the way. You don't seem very calm or relaxed to be a massage therapist. You might wanna find a new line of work to release all that pent up frustration. I'm thinking......hmmmmm......I got it, lumberjack!

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

Lumberjack! Man that was funny! Good one!

[-] 2 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Thank you. I think I will stick to being the comedy relief and leave the angry comments to the crazies.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

: )

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

lol. I don't think I can ever go to a massage therapist again now.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

Just what I thought: thanks for proving me right

you're a paranoid FREAK hiding inside your mommy's closet terrified of other people finding out who you really are

now EVERYONE on this forum can read you shit and discount everything you post. Once again sucker: you've been suckered into showing your true colors: honest decent people who are not paranoid freaks and not ashamed of who they are can SMELL trolls like you a mile away

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

How did I prove you right? If anything you proved me right. Sheesh the ego on this guy. Get help.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

You proved me right by not answering my questions and hiding and being a whacked out freak who is terrified of exposing himself: that's how you proved me right.

You want to IMAGINE you haven't answered my questions? Go right ahead: just do it on somebody else's time: you're a waste of time.. Goodbye.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

You're welcome for me proving you wrong. Later turcock!

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Go back and read dummy. I answered all of your questions. I'm not scared of anything. Especially a nasty smelly french montrealian whore of a man who isn't smart enough to read my comments to see that I answered all his irrelevent questions. Reading is fundamental. Go back and read. I answered. Goodbye to you psycho.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

Wrong: freak. You did not answer my questions: if you did then quote the post where you did: You can't.
Again: stay in your fried brain: and don't come out

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Hey whackjob. People will read and see I answered your questions. You must not be able to read english. They will also read that you are completely full of shit and need to go to the hospital immediately and ask to be sedated. I'm concerned for your safety buddy. Call 911 or whatever you montrealians call and have them send a padded van toot sweet!

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Hey whacko I already told you my name eh? I drive trains eh? I think you are angry eh? You are a smelly french schitzo eh? Do you even know what paranoid means eh? I don't think you do eh? I am an American eh? I support the movement eh? You need medication eh? You probably have high blood pressure eh? I'm not a troll eh? This site is over run with spambots eh? I practice martial arts eh? You are on here an awful lot as well eh? I don't have a computer eh? I can keep this up all day eh? But I am tireing of your ignorance eh?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

Where did you tell me your name? Show us where you told us your name: freak

oops: no answer. Can't show anything. troll hiding from EVERYONE including himself: mentally diseased freak:

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Read this entire comment from above dummy.

"Yeah you sound like a schitzophrenic. You might wanna get some meds for that. Did your mother name you turok? Sounds an awful lot like a shitty video game title. Oh I remember you like hunt dinosaurs or something......yeah that's it. What a freak! By the way my name is Nate and I'm not afraid of anything except the direction this world is headed. But seriously get help bro." See. I didn't wanna go here but you're a fucking psycho idiot. Get help.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

keep on freaking out, freak terrified mouse: afraid of telling anyone who he really is identified TROLL: next

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Thank God he's speechless!

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Christ guy I told you what you wanted to know. What is wrong with you. You sound like you are going to pop. Calm down. Read the comments. Its all there. What the hell is a "freak terrified mouse"? You clearly are out of your mind. You are the one who is clearly paranoid. Grow up.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

"freak terrified mouse" ??? I'm dying of laughter now. I'm definately never going to a massage therapist again- EVER. I will forever associate the thought of a "freak terrified mouse", what ever that is! with massage therapy now. lol

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Couldn't reply below. I know what he is doing. He's a freak and the mouse has been terrified by him. Hence the rare and wonderous "freak terrified mouse"! I think I nailed it Ape.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Oh I know I was pcturing what one would look like and I almost cried with laughter. This guy has some serious anger, and grammar, issues. Freak terrified mouse....ha!

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

I can't be sure, but I'm worried he's doing something weird with mice.

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[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 10 years ago

I am the truth teller:now go fuck yourself because you're already fucked If you can't ell the difference between a lie and the truth: there is NO hope for you at all.

[-] 1 points by nucleus (3291) 10 years ago

LOL, two TROLLS going at it ...

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[-] 1 points by TheEqualizer (42) 10 years ago

this choir boy was obviously molested by his priest.

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[-] -3 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

The reason is simple. There are too many conspiracy theorists and spammers around here and the moderators aren't doing a thing to keep them at bay. To make change, you need serious discussions from serious thinkers. Unfortunately, serious thinkers are a rare commodity on this forum.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Would you drop the conspiracy theory crap already? You're not accomplishing anything by making it your purpose to expose them. No one is listening to you man. Do you really believe you have even made a dent in stopping it? If so then you're the one who needs medication. Let it go and focus on something positive. You aren't doing anything to stop it. You're only causing people to post negative stuff about you. Give it up. It will be an enormous weight off your shoulders I promise.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

I answered your question as honestly as I could. The type of reply you give is a major problem on these boards. And, no, I don't feel any weight on my shoulders at all. I'm quite calm and relaxed.

[-] 0 points by RobPenn (116) 10 years ago

"Is it safe to say we haven't really accomplished anything with this site? Mostly it is just a bunch of fighting and childish behavior. I know I have been guilty of it myself. Only because I am passionate about real change. But I feel nothing is really happening. Just another tool to keep us distracted from reality. Why is that?"

Dude, you asked the question. He answered it. And, speaking as a guy who's still on the fence about this whole thing, he makes a valid point.

It's a shame that you're to hyper-focused on half of his opinion (the other half being "there are too many spammers") to see it. Every one knows there's a troll problem here. He's just telling us what breed of troll he sees as particularly problematic.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

And you're blowing him, a known troll, who just likes to censor people for something he finds no interest in. Way to go buddy. Keep on suckn'!

[-] 3 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

Focus on the positive. You have alot more to offer that way. You made a good post. Don't take away from that by turning the conversation into the very thing you are arguing against.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Thank you for the slap back to reality.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

Not a slap. Just a little love tap.

I think you made a good point below. You feel like Thras is making subjective judgements about what is and is not a conspiracy theory. Maybe you two could come up with an objective measure. Like, if it is a topic is on a conspiracy theory website, I think it's pretty safe to say it is a conspiracy theory.

I just googled this. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Nice. He would never agree to that because it would require him to relinquish some power over the weak minded posters. We will see though.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 10 years ago

I'm so happy to hear you say that! Never say never. Think positive. It looks to me like you both want the same thing. A better movement and a better forum. You guys have an important thing in common. Give him a chance. Without name calling. He's already been called every name imaginable already. I know you can do it. Look how nicely you and I are talking now! : )

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 10 years ago

1) How does any one censor anything on this site? I'd sure like to see that.

b) Maybe it's just because I haven't been here long enough, or maybe I have a vastly different definition of the word "troll," but it seems to me that there legitimately are a great deal of conspiracy theorists and spammers on this site, and he's just expressed frustration at the fact.

Case in point; http://occupywallst.org/forum/thrasymaque-likes-to-give-comfort-to-child-murdere/ "This pervert appears to be a vomit lover. Yuck!"

And need I mention the guy who keeps posting links to web TV shows?

[-] 0 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

The thing is he thinks he gets to be the judge of what is and isn't a conspiracy theory. I don't like it and ill keep calling him on it as long as I see it happening. He is not god. He shouldn't be allowed to make the decision on what is a CT or not. Maybe I will just start making calls on what posts should and shouldn't be allowed. Wait, no, its not my job. And I believe in freedom of speech. He can't stop people from expressing themselves. He is the only one who I have seen trying to impose his will onto others. It isn't right. Let the moderators handle it.

[-] 1 points by Perspective (-243) 10 years ago

ROLMFAO OWS is the only group trying to impose their will onto others. Wake up.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Really? OWS if forcing people to listen to their message? I don't think so buddy. Try again.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 10 years ago

Where did I say forcing? I said trying to impose. 98% of Americans disagree with OWS but you guys think you're right about everything. Quite arrogant.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

They also force their message upon society by occupying parks and ports.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 10 years ago

Most everything that any OWS group ever did ONLY inconvenienced the 99% of the population that they "claim" to represent. What makes OWS think it will garner much support?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

"He can't stop people from expressing themselves."

Precisely, I can't. There is no problem. You are absolutely able to express yourself and pass on fantasy conspiracy theories and insults as you usually do. It's impossible for me to censor anything on this forum. I'm not a moderator. If I was, your IP would have been banned ages ago and I wouldn't be complaining about conspiracy theorists.

The only thing I can do is express myself with the tools offered on this forum. Everybody can do this.

Now, quit acting like a baby. I answered your question above and you replied with childish rants and insults. Do you think this helps OWS? The answer is a resounding no. It only makes you look like a junior high student.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Awwwww boo hoo hoo. I'm sorry thrasy for everything I ever said. I'm such a baby. What was I thinking to challenge the great and powerful Thrasymaque. What a fool I have been. I see the ere of my ways and I'm changing them. You are a demigod and should be hailed as such. Ohhhh woe is me woe is me what was I thinking. sniff sniff. You're the best man. Puhleeze.

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

Finally, you seem to be coming to your senses. Now, stop the childish rants and everything's going to be OK.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

And I thought you were smart enough to get sarcasm. I really give you too much credit. You must be a robot. Lol

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 10 years ago

It's you who fails to read my sarcasm.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 10 years ago

Although I may not agree with you 100%, the comments posted from you do get laughs on this end from time to time...

The site has become an entertainment outlet...

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 10 years ago

Thank you. I try to be funny when I'm insulting someone. I don't like insulting people but when they deserve it they will get it both barrels. Some of these guys on here are certifiably insane. I just want to help wake people from their slumber to the reality of what's happening. My intentions are purely good even though at times it may not seem so. What can I say, I'm a scorpio, we're passionate.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 10 years ago

Many have given up and haven't been posting lately. I am on the fence myself