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Forum Post: This post is dedicated to the simple minded lemmings who believe that the republiclans are honestly trying to stop voter fraud

Posted 2 years ago on June 26, 2012, 7:23 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Mike Turzai, the Pennsylvania GOP House majority leader, said that a strict new voter ID law will help Republicans win the state for the first time since 1988:
"Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done!
First pro-life legislation -- abortion facility regulations -- in 22 years, done! Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done!"
Turzai said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend.

The comment contradicted the usual Republican line that voter ID laws are for guarding against voter fraud -- which is extremely rare if not nonexistent in practice -- and not to help elect Republicans. Pennsylvania passed a new law in March through its GOP legislature requiring voters to show a driver's license or government issued photo ID before voting.


video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8&feature=player_embedded

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[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Done, and caught!!! Mike Turzai, at least he's honest but don't count on it. He's likely like most repugs, not too smart.

Puzzler

[-] 2 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

"Honestly" and RepubliCons do not even go together in a sentence, much less describe any Con action, except for worshiping the 1% would-be Kings.

"Voter Fraud" is a Con fraud!

Let's talk ELECTION FRAUD!!! VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!

[-] 2 points by postpunkred (1) 2 years ago

The author doesn't understand the meaning of the word "contradicted". Dems have a legacy of stealing elections via fraud; requiring photo ID at the polls can help to guard against fraud while allowing Republicans a better chance to win.

The author also speculates that voter fraud is rare, but we don't know the extent of voter fraud. Perhaps leftists could tell us why we should prefer to leave in place an "honor system" that hides the extent of fraud while allowing it to cancel the votes of eligible citizens.

The leftist argument seems to be that it is better to have a system that can be easily and surreptitiously defrauded in order to relieve Dem-favored constituencies of the need to bring photo ID.

Let's have that argument.

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[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Classic RepubliCon "Recrimination!"

Are there really people so simpleminded as to believe this BS??

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

shrub launched a voter fraud investigation - and after many years, f ound al most nothing.
If you have statsitics that PROVE voter fraud - please post them here. I have proof of over 2% voter fraud in one "segment" of the field.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Someone should go to jail! Right wing 1% criminals.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

For those of us, who already knew voting was fraud, this only proves it. Voter fraud is disenfranchising as many people as possible, until the persons doing the disenfranchising finally get the results they want.

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

And then there is the illegal caging. By my very own Congressman. Grrr!!

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/23/13188/goodling-caging-griffin/

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Another partisan mindless post from...Bensdad.

I hope Ben watches less tv than you do. We need thinkers, not mindless MSNBC/FOX idiots..

Glad to see the abortion issue still trumps all the other multinational bombing going on right now.....

This country is screwed.

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Oh yes, we mustn't Vote-Out the RepubliCon bastard traitors who are working for the 1% PTB to wage Class War against the 99% People!!! NO! Partisanly Never!!! Well Pro-RepubliConly stated!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

You are really so funny.
I post a video from a lying Rs.
RU a lying Rs ?
a lemming ?
or just a dittohead ?
put your straight jacket back on

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

It sure is puzzling - why wont willard answer any questions ?

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

Overwhelmed by the crowd he rabbles off the strategy that was really their intentions for this law instead of the bullshit used to sell this phoney tweak the system phoney cause. Just plain crooked.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Here in GA when you apply or renew your drivers license you are now required to provide picture Id along with Birth Certificate or Passport.

Now, if that is a requirement for getting a drivers license what's the problem. ID is required for everything you do anymore

Try going into a bank to cash a check, try using a credit card to make a $200.00 purchse without a ID. Try driving your car without ID and see what happens when you get stopped for a traffic violation.

This idea that it "disenfranchises" people is a morinoc comment. Everything is going electronic and as a result ID is required. Get used to it unless you have bundles of cash to buy things with then the question arises as to where you got the cash.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Did you read what the Rs said ?
Voter ID laws are used TO ELECT AN Rs
Do you have a car?
Do you have a drivers license ?
Do you have a credit card ?


You can't be stupid enough not to know that there are millions of Americans who dont have any of these. Can you ?

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Well let me ask if you are walking down the street and a police officer stops you and asks for identification because you look similar to a person who just robbed a store - are you required to provide identification or can you tell him to go shove it?

Voter ID's are not used to elect neither Dems or Repubs - but they are required for identification of the individual.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

show me proof that voter fraud is a big issue - IF YOU DARE
can you handle the truth?

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

12 million illegal mexicans who are voting that's who. And if you don't believe me then just try and ask one when they walk in the polling booth.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

you seriously believe 12 million illegals are voting!!!! put up or shut up find me a dozen CONVICTIONS of illegal immigrants voting prove
this fox tea party lie is the truth


are you too stupid to realize that NO illegal would get within a mile of any government official

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

You'll never know for sure because the dems don't want people to provide proper identification when people vote. So how do you know for sure that illegals aren't voting - you don't for that reason alone.

Now if proper identification was to be provided when a person votes then we would know for sure that illegals aren't voting.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

And we would be able to prove horses asses aren't voting

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

I heard it was 12 billion!!!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

no evidence that the 12 million undocumented workers lured here by the 1% corps (who want cheap labor) are voting. More likely they are avoiding capture and not voting no?

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Never said they were lured here by the 1%. They were lured here and hired because of their cheap labor - and everyone is wondering why wages are so low. Now that they are here the government is allowing them to vote regardless of their immigrant status - leagal or otherwise.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Nope. undocumented immigrants avoid contact with authorities. Sorry. And if you have problem with this phenomenon blame American business. They are luring them over.

[-] -2 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

If it was't about voter fraud, the Democrats would be for photo ID. The fact is, it is the Dems and their surrogates that are the biggest perpetrators of the fraud.... See Chicago politics... Oh wait, isn't Richard M. Obama from Chicago?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

how many people were convicted of voter fraud in Chicago i n the last 20 years? do you DARE post the answer?

[-] -1 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

Nobody would be convicted of voter fraud in Chicago, unless the union thugs caught someone voting for someone other than a Democrat.... But that conviction would be done with baseball bats.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Ahhh - so you got the Chicago voter fraud info from the same place you put your used tp

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

If you won't admit to the problem, I cannot help you...

https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago%20voter%20fraud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&source=hp&channel=np

All you have to do is ask and you will find a plethora of reputable info.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

THANX for the link: GOP push vs. voter fraud based in rumor, not reality BY DAVID ORR September 16, 2011 10:50PM Updated: November 10, 2011 10:49AM This summer, Ohio’s Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted did something remarkable: He spoke out against his own party’s legislative proposal requiring voters to present photo IDs at polling places.

Husted said he would “rather have no bill than one with a rigid photo identification provision that does little to protect against fraud and excludes legally registered voters’ ballots from counting.”

Husted’s position is a stark contrast to a national Republican drive to pass voter ID requirements. According to the Brennan Center for Justice, 38 states considered some type of voter ID and/or citizenship requirement in their last legislative session. Seven passed them, bringing the total with such laws to 15.

Whether supported by either party, this unprecedented push relies on two falsehoods: that voter fraud is rampant and that every honest voter has a driver’s license. The first premise, that voter fraud is rampant, draws attention after rumors and accusations each Election Day. But how many accusations produce actual evidence? Incredibly few. This is because states already establish identity during the registration process through requiring identification or cross-referencing driving records.

In Illinois, when someone’s identity is not established before Election Day, that particular voter must show a form of ID at the polling place. But there is no need to slow down voting and place an unnecessary burden on an entire polling place when most voters established their identity long ago, often voting in the same place for decades.

The process works, which today’s debate ignores. That is why Georgia could pass voter ID requirements despite their former secretary of state’s inability to recount a single case of voter impersonation during her time in office. According to the Coalition on Homelessness and Housing in Ohio and the League of Women Voters, out of more than 9 million ballots cast in Ohio during the 2002 and 2004 elections only four ineligible people cast, or tried to cast a ballot.

Weigh that against the millions of Americans who will lose the right to vote because they do not have the requisite photo ID. Estimates vary, but the League of Women Voters projects that 11 percent — 21 million Americans — do not have photo identification. That is more than the entire populations of Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Kentucky combined. On a state level, there are more than 558,000 potential voters in Wisconsin who do not have the required ID. In Georgia, 650,000 registered voters do not have photos IDs.

Common sense says that there is likely someone in every extended family who fails to meet photo ID requirements. Ask yourself how many senior citizens stop driving and let their licenses expire? How many college students move every year without updating their driver’s licenses? How many impoverished Americans or city dwellers have never had a car or a license?

In 2008, 12 elderly nuns were denied ballots in Indiana because none possessed a driver’s license or state ID.

How many will be denied? Far too many. There is a balance between security and accessibility, which photo ID proponents flagrantly disregard.


How many people have been CONVICTED for voter fraud in a COURT in the 2008 election in the whole country? [ convicted in your head does not count ]


I can show you a group of people whose election fraud rate since 2008 EXCEEDS 2% - guess who ?


[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

So you are making a case that no photo ID is required to buy alcohol, or presented when pulled over by a police officer, or when opening a bank account. To not required ID is foolish. There is no good reason not to.

Voter fraud does not need to be rampant to be a good idea. Even if there is one person who steals another's vote, that is enough reason to require ID.

The identity might be established long before voting day, but the likeyhood would be the person sitting at the poll would not know every person who showed up to vote on election day. The chance that someone could steal another persons vote is reason enough to require photo ID.

The absence of incidence is no reason to not require ID in the same way that anecdotal evidence is no reason establish a fact". If they never looked for ID, that would be a good reason to believe they never would have found anyone breaking the law.

State photo ID's are free or very close to free. That is no justification to not require photo ID.

If the 12 nuns did not have photo ID, they were likely not to have been registered to vote either.

There is no point in arguing with someone who cannot bring a rational argument regarding the ID subject. Clearly you have your own reasons to want people to be able to game the system and not want the vote to be secured. We disagree, but evidence points to not requiring ID to be a more sinister and hateful point of view to more people than requiring ID to protect innocent people from having their right to vote stolen by someone else.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

do you listen to fox or do you just drink their cool aid? you know - the warm yellow stuff