Forum Post: Whoops Here it Is: END THE WAR on TERROR! Repubs Fear monger to keep "War on Terror" Alive!
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 15, 2012, 10:26 a.m. EST by VQkag2
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Hagel "too war skeptical according to ceo con war mongerers"
http://www.nationofchange.org/veterans-denounce-neoconservative-swiftboating-chuck-hagel-1356614968
Obama spokesman suggests the end ofthe War on Terror.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Bloomberg News Obama Downplaying Al-Qaeda Risk, Republican Lawmakers Say By Gopal Ratnam on October 14, 2012
Raising the political ante on the attack on the U.S. embassy compound in Libya, congressional Republicans say President Barack Obama’s administration has sought to play down the risk of a resurgent al-Qaeda in the Middle East. Businessweek
Thu October 22, 2009, 5:00pm EDT
The Obama administration was “trying to sell a narrative about the Mideast that the wars are receding and that al-Qaeda was being defeated” until the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said today on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
He said the White House has been reluctant to say the attack was carried out by militias associated with al-Qaeda because that “undercuts the narrative.”
U.S. intelligence officials say they are investigating whether the Libyan militia group suspected of carrying out the assault, Ansar al-Sharia, has operational ties to al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, a loose-knit extremist group that’s made inroads in Niger, Mali, and other North African nations.
Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, expressed greater certainty. The “coordinated attack” that killed Stevens was “by an al-Qaeda-associated militia,” he said.
Intelligence officials “on the ground told me that in 24 hours they communicated to Washington that this was a terrorist attack,” Graham told CBS, and still, top U.S. officials including the president said the incident was spurred by protests arising out of an anti-Islamic video. House Hearing
The Obama administration’s response to the embassy attack has become a contentious election issue, with Republican nominee Mitt Romney criticizing the president for not providing adequate security to Americans in Libya. At a hearing on Oct. 11, Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee challenged the U.S. State Department’s version of events.
Representative Darryl Issa, the California Republican who chairs the committee, said on the CBS show that the Libya attack was Obama’s “mission-accomplished moment,” a reference to when President George W. Bush was criticized for prematurely declaring victory in Iraq.
Representative Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight committee, said Issa and the Republicans were reaching conclusions before the investigation was complete.
“We don’t have substantial evidence yet” on exactly what transpired on Sept. 11, Cummings said on CBS. “There’s a lot to be answered. The FBI investigation is going on and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has appointed a review board.”
Republicans are making allegations “based on a campaign schedule,” Maryland’s Cummings said. “I don’t think our men who were killed deserve this.”
Right.
Both sides and the American people have allowed the "wars without end"
war on terror and war on drugs.
these wars need to be fought with education and correct policies that value human dignity.
or else they will continue forever.
Repeal AUMF,& demand we declare the phony 'war on terror' over!
https://act.myngp.com/Forms/-8494070372197466112?midqs=942941171980697600
1 Point and signed. Thanks.
must defeat ignorant con politicians !
ows should sponsor a voter registration month this summer
I would support that effort. more people voting would be better. We should also support direct voting (referendums) on these issues of war.
Yes. Mail voting too.
Internet! Any mode thar allows the counting of everyone.
Direct democracy must include some mechanism to measure/ensure high voter turnout.
Making it easy to vote (verifiable online) and allowing no consent, none of the above, or write in. But we need 90% turnout to get a fair expression ofthe public need.
monthly focus on 1-2 themes with press releases, and local info spreading meetups, like evangelicals.
And plaster mini pdf flyers for theme on windshields, telephone poles, with places for more info online and in person, newspaper and tv advertisements
Some Possible Focus topics.
Money out of politics
Jobs
Capitalism necessitates safeguards
Banks money system
Wall street transaction tax
Con politicians, reverse duopoly
Getting information, activism
Living wage
Voter registration
Because all these at once are info overload for low info electorate
Love the Wall st Transaction tax, jobs & living wage, especially, additional fair tax efforts, and public option health insurance would be nice.
I submit the Dems can be madeto serve the 99% on these war issues.
This Pres
has never used the indef det authority repubs created.
Stopped torture
resisted right war mongering to invade Iran
Ended Iraqa war, ending Afghan war.
Eliminated color theat levels. LOL and never uses "war on terror"
Has layed the ground work to declare the end of the war on Al Qaeda.
has reduced drone bombings in 2012.
has reduced US military killings from million+ to thousands.
Has cut defense budget, merc use, and will cut more unlike repubs.
One party uses fear mongering/war mongering still.
They other does not and has taken steps and made real progress to demilitarise us in the face of massive repub war mongering 1% MIC plutocrats.
bad boy! bad boy!
you are not allowed to tell the truth here at OWS about Obama
bad boy! bad boy!
didn't anyone tell you we are supposed to be apolitical and impotent ?
the koch brothers warned me about you
Anti muslim fear mongering that fuels the war on terror AND fights gun control.
http://www.nationofchange.org/congressman-says-americans-need-guns-protect-nation-sharia-law-1361547364
Innat special?
Result of right wing propaganda?
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/15800-how-to-create-a-right-wing-terrorist
It is what it is
Yeah I don't listen to anyone.
As if I was kinda......... leaderless! LOL.
But truth be told I support a new system, built from the ground up, horizontal and with real direct democracy.
Until that new system emerges I support reform by replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives & protesting forchange that benefits the 99%.
Let's keep it up
here's real truth
You can fact check every aspect of what I've put here. It's all true.
He actually just appealed to continue using indefinite detention laws after a judge filed an injunction calling it unconstitutional.
Bradley Manning is a perfect example of indefinite detention as according to law he was supposed to get a trial within 120 days and instead he's been waiting YEARS!!! While being put in solitary and inhuman forms of imprisonment. FOR EXPOSING CRIMES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. This man deserves a medal and a pardon.
Troops came out of Iraq and hired mercenaries stayed. Look it up.
13 years in Afghanistan is absolutely pathetic. Let's not forget this man increased the war there and in 2010 Afghanistan saw it's highest level of civilian deaths according to the UN.
Color threat levels are gone indeed. I'd rather see him end the war in Afghanistan and end the drone strikes.
He's still drone bombing Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen. Now the CIA wants to expand the drone program into North Africa. The White House still has to make a decision on this.
10's of thousands of murders of civilians are still thousands of War Crimes.
Military budget has increased every year Obama has been in office. He bragged about that in the foreign policy debate... also the numbers and legislation show that to be true as well.
Mercenary use is up in Afghanistan. Spending on mercs has tripled in Afghanistan. Mercs still in iraq too. Over 200,000 being used throughout many countries.
Both Romney and Obama have called iran a threat and have said military force is an option if they don't meet US demands and end their WMD program that doesn't actually exist.
Obama is no peach when it comes to war. And neither is his VP that voted to go to war in Iraq just like Paul Ryan did.
And let's be very clear, this does not mean I support Romney. Romney will only continue the wars and drones which I am against. I'm just pointing out that VQ is lying and misleading information in regards to Obama and his actions in the wars.
Never used it, but appealed it to bring it back. I dont trust that, and you shouldnt either
Gitmo still open, along with other secret prisons.
Signed NDAA which engages Iran. Currently doing the biggest ever military engagement with Israel. Has stationed Marines in Turkey. Upped sanction to the level of starvation which ALWAYS leads to war.
Ended Iraq war. Finally some truth. (althogh leaving mercenaries behind is not freedom for them). Increased troop levels in Afghanistan.
Eliminated color codes. Now we are at two pieces of truth. Color level was total scare tactic.
Bombed the shit out of Libya. Continues to bomb Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somolia. Bombed Sudan for their gov as nice gesture. Sent troops into Uganda and Guatamala.
Pakistan levels about the same. Yemen up. Somolia down. No more libya. Still killing, still bombing. Stop looking for a silver lining in war.
True. Until Iran is forced to act, and then that will dwarf them all.
Decreasing increases is not a cut. A real cut would be taking it from 800 billion to 400 billion. Not decreasing increases.
I agree that the majority of dem politicians are less likely for war than the majority of republicans. The problem is the uppers in both are run by the same people that have been running them for a very very long time.
People in the middle east are rioting and protesting us because its all still going on, Your denying that is an insult to them.
Here is more war mongers opposing a war skeptic cause they fear for the end of their lucrative war on terror.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/12/17/1345011/kristol-hagel-iran/
If you ain't focusing on the continued fear mongering that repubs began when they exploited the 9/11 attacks then you are not truly against the drone strikes,war on terror, or the rights violations.
If you are not denouncing the continued republican propaganda you are giving them a pass and serving the right wing war mongers.
Are you a republican plant! If not why have you ignored these roots of the war/rights problems.?
Whoops here it is! I told you so!
Ending the 'war on terror' is the best opportunity we have of repealing patriot act, Indef Detention, warrentless wiretaps. even drone strikes.
This has been the plan all along. Declare thewar over, rescind the illegal rights violating war powers.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Didn't I tell you this! How come you ain't listening?
Support this effort if you want to end the rights violations, and military actions
Pres Obama attempted to close Gitmo & repubs obstructed the effort. Has eliminated more than half the Indef detention cases that Bush left behind.
Sanctions do not ALWAYS lead to war. If there was a repub Pres we would have invaded already.
Defense budget cuts cannot be 50% (although that is what I support) because repubs resist. Pres Obama HAS cut the def budget over repub objections. He WILL cut more while repubs have promised to increase it.
So we agree on some of this. The remaining problems (drone bombings, rights violations, Iran sanctions) I am against, & I submit will not change until we address the fear mongering that is coming from one party.
So I say protest Obama on these problems but acknowledge that the people of this country must emerge from the fear that allows them accept all these problems.
replace fear mongering conservatives w/ peace loving progressives, & protest all pols against war & rights violations.
they are using indefinite detention HC
Bradley Manning for an example of US citizens. We only know about Manning because he made headlines due to wikileaks.
Who knows what other soldiers they might have in captivity for speaking out against the bullshit in the wars.
Also they still have prisoners of war that have no evidence against them for their crimes.
Neocon fear mongering to keep defense spending up
http://www.nationofchange.org/pentagon-threat-inflation-1366121108
Let's all be heard.
Tell our govt! stop war mongering.
http://signon.org/sign/senate-no-backdoor-to?mailing_id=9990&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=1342324
We need all the names we can get.
Let's stop the war mongers law to pre approve/support an isreali attack on Iran.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12689
How about it?
Yes what a shock you think the status quo can be changed....
Repub Fear mongering propaganda must end
http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/2012/02/24/warmongering-the-next-republican-focus/
So must party loyalty.......blindly supporting a party is killing this country and yes that include what you do.
So you will stop your blind loyalty to the Republican party & conservative policies that have created all our problems?
Because I am registered independent, have voted Nader & repub in the past, I criticize dems failure to stand up to conservatives, & their votes for those conservative policies, I support progressive solutions, but support the dem agenda & am vehemently against the conservative policies at the center of ALL out problems.
This thread is about Repub fear mongering. You got examples of Dem fear mongering I'd like to see it.
Your pushing Obama like he's paying you that's not very ind. that's a party hack. I tend to live my life conservatively I don't force my way on others. I do not put my nose in anyone's business who keeps theirs out of mine. That's the difference between I don't hide who or what i am you run around acting like you want change but then push the status quo and push what ever dem hack is in front of you. That's what you call ind?
I don't push the status quo. And certainly I reject your inept description of me and my beliefs.
I want radical change. I support a new system, from the ground up, horizontal, with real direct democracy.
Until that emerges I will work to defeat any politician who supports conservative policies because those are the policies at the center of ALL our problems.
Understand conservative boy?
Radical change by voteing the status quo? Only a progressive tool would call that radical change. I think the word inept describes you perfectly, your a sad through back to a pathetic time. Party hacks like you don't want change if you did you would vote for it not more of the same, you belive your own lies forgive me If I do not. I understand completely what a hack you are, that is very very clear.
You have only empty, childish insults because your impotent arguments can't stand up to truth or civil discussion.
replace all pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives & protest for change that benefits the 99%.
They match your childish empty head so what's the problem. There's nothing civil about the way you discuss lol. I don't hide who or what I am you do, run around and act like an ind. but all the while pushing an Obama election. You are nothing more than the same old problem this country faces, you belive the two party system is still the answer. Hypocrite party hack is all you are, practice what you preach them maybe you will creat change.
I support a new system. from the ground up, horizontal, with real direct democracy.
Until that emerges.
I support replacing all pro % conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives. & protesting for change that benefits the 99%.
You don't?
Again how? Buy voteing the same two party crap, your words don't match your actions . You don't give any info on what ground up horizontal changes is. I know we can continue on the way we have been . You just want your crooks in charge not he current bunch of crooks.
:again how"? What fo you mean Again? You ain't asked how. You only insult.
I gotta teach you about ground up, horizontal, & direct democracy?
Ground up = regular people
Horizontal = across all sorts of people
direct democracy = people voting on legislation directly in place of representatives.
Understand?
The 2 party system still exists, I can't pretend they don't. If I want to force change I must contend with the existing power structure.
Got it?
Do you support this kind of fear mongering too?
http://www.examiner.com/article/war-on-terrorism-scare-tactics-fear-mongering-and-new-york-terrorist-plot-manipulations
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Lol my repubs rofl for them to be mine don't I have to vote for them? You on the other hand are responsible for all you dems have done because you did vote for them. With you it's always when repubs do it bad bad but when my guy does it justify justify.
This is what your repubs have engaged in to continue the war on terror and gain political advantage.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32501273/
What do you think?
I have voted dem, (& repub) Whatever! My personal info is NOT relevant!
Fear Mongering is at the root of the war on terror, drone strikes, & rights violations!
We must end fear mongering to end those problems.
I am linking evidence that repubs are guilty of it!!
I say "Your repubs" because you serve them by giving them cover when you pretend they ain't doin it.
How you vote is unprovable, & irrelevant! Your silence on repub guilt, & your attempt at arguing a false equivalency, betrays your right leaning partisanship.
'sok you're allowed. We just disagree.
Most of what's tossed around here is un-provable, links to extreme website where you get the info doesn't make it true. My leaning is to myself not a gov who will claim o protect me and provide for me I Dont believe that shy anymore than I do corp care about me. You belive one of those things I just said. I do not want I change your boughs or ideas what i want is for you to apply your standard to your party the same as you do reps. But we both know that will not happen because you think like most libs "our power must be protected at all cost"
I am critical of dems just fine. In regards to the fear mongering roots of our problems I see the repubs guilt, I have linked to their quotes on this critical issue.
If you think dems are guilty on this as well, I'd look at any evidence.
But you ain't put any forth.
You got nothing of substance, only insults and childishness.
So who the fuck cares what you think.?
Peace out!!!
You demand substance but offer none?? Hmm funny Joe that works. Hate bad blinded you to any truth. But you seem ok wih bullshit.
You're still not forming complete sentences. Nouns & verbs boss. It's a basic requirement.
The substance related to republican fear mongering is all throughout this thread in my post & comments.
Peace. Good luck in all your good efforts.
Doing this a a small iPhone screen is not working out well. Bottom line practice what you preach.
"people in my life"?
You can't argue the facts so you have to get personal.
Epic fail.
Repubs are the fear mongerers. Talk about that! Leave my family out of it
You are to stupid to insult, honestly. Whoever is in power always fear-mongers. You are a left wing hack so you will never admit it. But I do agree you are a failure.
Replace fear mongering conservatives w/ peace loving progressives, & protest all pols against war & rights violations.
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Ohh yes you do according to you the sky will fall if reps are elected. Try again man.
The annual budget deficit that your boy Bush left us was $1.2T.
Pres Obama cut $100B from it and now it is $1.1T.
Pres Obama would have cut more but your repubs have obstructed every Dem effort to improve the economic recovery.
Understand?
I protest against Pres Obamas drone strikes and continued rights violations. I have signed petitions as well.
My current discussion is about theroots behind all these problems.
It is the posture of the country that must change. The madness in the electorate that accepts these failures without a shrug.
The population has moved so far right because of fear mongering. The Repubs have been the one party doing that. I see dems moving away from the fear mongering. I see that the dems have ratcheted down the war on terror rhetoric.
Progressive solution for deficit and economic recession.: Tax the wealthy, cut for middle class, & small business. Reward insourceing, penalize outsourcing.
It's common knowledge you can take all of the riches money and would still come up way short then they would have to take everyone else's money. Cut spending way way back and keep your dam hands out of my pocket.
I try & continue to try many things.
But we MUST change the populations posture which is dominated by the fear that repubs continue to spew.
If we don't change that we cannot change all these problems.
Thats what makes it "the root" of the problem.
Understand.
You don't seem to understand your progressives are just as much to blame, until you figure that out and hold them to the same standard then you are part of the problem not the solution.
Are you gonna cry now, drop to the floor and kick your feet?
LMFAO.
the WWF match between obama and romney is totally fake
and i thought this was a mature forum
That was disappointing even for you. I realize that the people in your life are used to being disappointed by you, but I foolishly still except more from you.
I guess your inability to discuss the deficit without the sophomoric insults reflects the impotence of your arguments.
Instead of addressing thefacts you call me names.
You know you can't convince me of your position with the schoolyard bullying tactics of your candidate Romney right?
Do you come here and insult people because you get some sick pleasure at lifting yourself up by putting others down?
In any event this failure of yours means I win the argument & you lose.
Loser.
You dropped your pom-poms little cheerleader, you call the truth sophomoric lol what a shock anyone who points out your bullshit comes under fire for it. Any moron that thinks its ok to spend trillions more than you take in is a beyond stupid. Now mr. Loser (I have to get off the comp when the library closes) the only thing you win at is party hack, unquestioning cheerleader.
The current annual budget deficit was left to us by Pres Bush. Pres Obama has cut the annual deficit by $100B. Any other efforts he's attempted have been obstructed by your republicans.
He cut huh? For every $7 the gov brings in he spends $11 how is that cutting? Unless what you call cuts is he was take in $7 and wanted to spend $20 now is that what you call a cut?
Progressive solutions will solve all our problems. You say progressives are to blame but you offer no specific policy or evidence.
So clearly you don't know what you are talkin about.
You do t offer much in the way of solutions just say progressives will solve them. Sorry you will have to do much better than that. I'm doing the same thing you are so if I don't know what I'm talking about neither do you.
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Please he wanted much more than that. Your touting we only spend a couple trillion more than we take in, a moron knows you can't go on like that.
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Why Do you give your dem 1% a pass on stealing? You don't have to balance the budget on anyone's back, this president for every 7$ he takes in he spends $11 you can't keep up that kind of spending regardless of who's in office.
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Wow you signed a petition and you still vote for him I'm sure you can see how that makes you look? You say they ratcheted down the rhetoric well dam that's all that matters right is rhetoric not why they actually do. (I hope the extreme sarcasm is coming across). That is a big problem with progressives outcomes don't matter just that they tried.
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Drone strikes are Obama speciality but you give him a pass. All of those examples Obama continues or has expanded yet you give him a pass, so it's no shock you are a hypocrite an will continue to be treated as one until you hold your party to the and standard you do rep. (But we both know that will never happen)
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I wouldn't put much faith in polls, anyone knows they can be skewed any way you want the only one I would worry about would election nite.
Here is hope that the fear mongerers can be defeated.!
Monday, Oct 15, 2012 10:00 AM EDT
National Dems boost Bachmann challenger The Democrat running against Rep. Michele Bachmann has earned more help from his party
By Alex Seitz-Wald
Muslim Brotherhood agents must have infiltrated the campaign arm of House Democrats, because the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee announced today that it’s giving a boost to the Dem candidate running against Minnesota Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann. Just nine months after she ended a surprisingly competitive presidential bid, the infamous Muslim-hunting Tea Party congresswoman is now clinging to her House seat in one of the most watched House races in the country. Her opponent, hotel magnate Jim Graves, the first serious challenger Bachmann has faced in years, has closed on Bachmann in the polls and has earned the confidence of the DCCC, which announced today that it’s adding the Democrat to its Red-to-Blue program, a group of top-tier candidates wh0 can expect “financial, communications, grassroots, and strategic support.”
Graves has surpassed ambitious fundraising, organizing and infrastructure goals, which are required to enter the elite group. “Jim has proven his commitment to standing up for the middle class and creating good-paying jobs for Minnesotans,” DCCC Chairman Rep. Steve Israel said in a press release. “During Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s career in Washington, she has been more focused on being a national right-wing celebrity than on delivering for the Minnesota families she represents. Voters are experiencing buyer’s remorse with Congresswoman Bachmann and her relentless desire to put ideology over solutions.”
The DCCC also announced today that it had outraised its Republican counterpart in September and broken a fundraising record for the third quarter. House Democrats are quietly bullish about their prospects, even though most independent analysts still think Democrats have little hope of winning control of the lower chamber.
UPDATE: Graves campaign manager Adam Graves passed along this statement: “The DCCC’s decision to target our race confirms that this election cycle is by far the best shot we’ve ever had to defeat Rep. Bachmann. Her favorability has been in a free fall ever since her failed presidential bid, and she’s facing her toughest opponent yet — a businessman with a record of creating thousands of private sector jobs. Independents are dramatically shifting in our favor — we’re now up 15%.”
You're right. Polls are just a guide line. But hopefully people will recognize who is spewing the fear mongering and vote them out!
Yea both sides! What a shock when two full of shit liars do exactly that.
Nah. Only repubs are maintaining the fear mongering they created after they exploited the 9/11 attacks.
Repubs are panicked that their war on terror will be declared won by Pres Obama who has been saying "we have decimated Al Qaeda" So they are criticizing our lack of using terror buzzwords regarding Libya and spewing the nonsense that Al Qaeda is more dangerous than ever (P King R NY 10/16/12)
Bahmann is trying to create an anti Muslim Witchhunt.
One party has always been the war mongering party, the always criticized for being weak on defense (Terror).
Repubs have criticized dems for being weak on terror because they see the dem ratcheting down the war on terror rhetoric.
Repubs are the fear mongerers. Not the Dems. Sorry
This is dems trying to sell the narrative that al Qaeda is defeated.
Read it and weep if you dare!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/bachman-is-one-the-worst-fear-mongerers-feeding-th/
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Lol what ever helps you sleep at night, I keep forgetting you are a dem vol. and they can't be reasoned with any more than the right Wing koolaid drinkers. Cry cry when rel does something but when my guy does it justify justify.
Not a volunteer. That's just your lies to make yourself feel better.
There are many articles linked here you can read. I've listed facts in my comments.
You are the partisan if you can't accept this reality. You ain't responded to the facts because you ain't got no answer.
Do you support fear mongering.? Are you in denial that it is going on? Are you pretending the repubs ain't been doin it for 12 years?
Which is it.?
Until you hold your progress to the same standard as you do reps you will look like a hack. There is no pretending about he truth and that is both sides fear monger you just seem on when dems do it, that makes you a hack sorry. You list facts Lol please your standard for facts are questionable.
Your opinion/insult that I am a hack is not truth. It is your ignorant opinion.
And it certainly isn't substance on any given issue. It is simply personal attacks because you ain't got no positive facts.
I noticed you stayed away from the first part of my post. No shock, no honesty, no self reflection. Practice what you preach is just not in you is it.
I ain't mad. Govt size may not be simple, but we do measure it, & under dem admins it goes down (like Pres Obama has done) and under repubs it goes up (like Bush).
99% is a slogan, Not to make anyone feel good but to illustrate how unfair our current economy is to the vast majority of people. Seems to have caught on nicely. Don't you think?
"Again the Progressive way results do not matter just feelings". Yeah that ain't a sentence. Please try again.
Guess we have different def. of what caught on means. There's nothin wrong with the sentence, because its true. Progressives do not care about outcomes just feelings; meaning they will do something stupid that changes nothing but makes them feel better.
OWS supports the 99%! You do support the 1% taking what belongs to the 99% The govt has shrunk under Dem admins (even this current one) and has increased under Repub admins (Bush especially) Mostly through military/Homeland sec.
"Useful idiot"? Calling me names only shows the impotence of your arguments. Especially since your the one who got every fact wrong!! LMFAO!!!
Weather the gov is shrinking or growing is not a simple answer and you know that. 99% is just a slogan with no real chance of ever becoming fact it just makes you feel good to say it. Again the progressive way results do not matter just feelings. Your mad because I question your BS, you don't like being called out on it. What you call facts don't seem to hold up to scrutiny very well.
Any politician who supports the conservative policies at the center of our problems should be voted out of office.
Real progressives ain't gonna do that.
I am a progressive. I support progressives. You got a problem with a progressive & progressive ideas I will entertain your evidence.
Otherwise I will continue fighting against the conservative agenda! Redardless of your weak schoolyard bullying tactics attempting to intimidate my efforts.
Peace, good luck in all your good efforts.
Your way is the only way huh? Never any other solutions but the ones progressives put forth? That is the narrow/closed minded thinking that helped get us where we aw now. The old my party has the only answer needs to die, progressives ae just as much to blame as reps for our messes. Your selective blindness how's you are part of the problem not the solution. Pointing out your double standard is what you call bullying? Lol I guess I'd do the same if I had weak points to, so whatever makes you feel good.
huh? Make some sense will you, form a sentence. or just refrain from responding.
LOL
I'll type it slow so you can understand "until you hold your progressives to the same standard as you hold reps you will look like a hack" not sure I can make any simpler for you.
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Who elected you to speak for progressives? I am not trying to change your views, I would like to see you apply the same standards to your own party that do to all others. Nothing complicated about it, but we both know you won't you turn a blind eye to what your party does.
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Ows doesn't represent 99% not eve close to that number, I will not support taking things that don't belong to you. I will never support making gov so large and powerful it can take everything from you. You think it's ok because you don't honk they will take what you have only what other people have. That is a sad you are the perfect example of a useful idiot.
You don't like my facts. Why? Which ones. Lots are repub quotes. Whats wrong with that.?
Perhaps it is just too painful for you to face the truth that repubs have switched their "red scare war mongering" with "war on terror fear mongering"?
I know it is very sad to not have an enemy to justify the massive defense budgets you repubs love so much.
Pres Obama cut the defense budget by $100B, cut Merc use, stated Al Qaeda has been decimated, never uses "War on terror", eliminated the color code threat level LMFAO. That was a joke no? Eliminated the use of terrorist playing cards!!!!
How are the Dems spewing fear mongering rhetoric?
You can hold on to whatever non-sense you want I care very little for rep blathering and I care the same about your progressive Obama camp. Re-election work. Your a hack you have no intellectual honesty your a party hack you don't care about anything but getting Obama back in office. If it walks like a hack talks like a hack its a hack!
LMFAO. Lotsa schoolyard bullying huh? All you got? no substance?
You been smoked!!!
Consider yourself dispatched, & dismissed.
Rant on 8th grader.
So now truth is bullying lol only to the hack.
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Until the system emerges? It's going to emerge by magic? You're sitting around waiting that it emerges by itself?
The people who support Occupy and care about Occupy are making huge efforts to make that system emerge. The people like you support Obama with lame partisan politics. It's as simple as that.
suggestions on eliminating war propaganda
http://www.dailypaul.com/263718/how-i-propose-we-defuse-the-war-propaganda-the-most-effective-method
That's pretty vague ground up? Horizontal? I have the same love for right wing wacko as I do for left wing wackos. You support the left Wing wackos don't you? Me no left and right wackos are not the answer.
Are you criticizing the decent hard working OWS supporters who are working on the new system? If so you're talkin to the wrong guy.
I don't know what a left wing wacko believes in. But if you give me a position you attach ton them I will let you know if I support left wing wackos.
I see Pres Obama as a moderate. I see Sen Bernie Sanders as far left.
I prefer Bernie, than the Pres.
What I would like to see is criticism you apply to everything on the right to your Progressives. (You practice what you preach thing). I was criticizing you but we can expand it if you like, you call sitting down all with sign hard working, me not so much. Obamas not a moderate by any stretch of the term but your Bernie is a left wacko.and I ask again ground up, horizontal all seem vague and sorry but I don't trust you to make secessions for me. If all the changes you want come around who's going to save me from your left wing 1%? After they figure out simple math and. Realize they need more money for their grand design they will take what ever the middle class has next, you to feed a hungry beast more and more I want to starve it.
Progressives would preside over a shrinking of the govt. Dems always do! Dems are the fiscally responsible Prsidencies. Repubs ALWAYS blow the budget.
So don't worry. Progressives would not take from the 99% We support the 99%. Repubs support the 1%. No?
SPECIFICALLY
what has Bernie Sanders done or said that you disagree with
SPECIFICALLY
Sanders is a nut Job, he is specifically out of his mind.
This is what repubs fear most with Pres Obamas approach on the war on terror.
Ending the 'war on terror' is the best opportunity we have of repealing patriot act, Indef Detention, warrentless wiretaps. even drone strikes. This is the opposite of fear mongering propaganda
This has been the plan all along. Declare the war over, rescind the illegal rights violating war powers.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Support this effort if you want to end the rights violations, and military actions
Right wing war mongers in action! Turning on one of their own because he isn't war mongery enough.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/7/chuck_hagel_faces_tough_confirmation_from
War mongers who never served.
Rich mans war, Poor mans fight.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-do-the-republicans-have-a-field-of-draft-dodging-war-mongers/question-3102539/
It is well known that programs for the 99% do not come close to the money you can get from the wealthiest 1%.
You don't balance the budget on the backs of the poor & middleclass.
Willie Sutton, when asked 'why do you rob banks?' said "'cause that's where the money is!"
He didn't rob the newspaper boy. By as smart as Willie Sutton.
Stop protecting the 1% plutocrats who created these economic failures, benefited, and continue to prey on our families.
13 years in Afghanistan is too long! End it now!
Hiring mercs to replace troops is not the same as ending it.
WE can stop the war mongers. WE have succeeded so far in our efforts to resist the neocon pressure to invade Iran.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12660
Please sign the petition.
Too bad Libya, Pakistan, Afghan, Yemen, Sudan, Uganda, Mali, Guatemala and now Niger cant claim the same thing.
Boston bombing shows Al Qaeda more active than pre 9/11, So says Rep Peter King who also says we need more cameras to solve these attacks, & continues to insist Pres Obama is wrong to refrain from saying 'terrorism', & 'war on terror'.
War mongering little shit.
End the phony war on terror. Repeal AUMF
Authorization for Use of Military Force
we been bombing pretty aggressively
that's bound to make some swear vengeance on the US government
We MUST pressure all pols to repeal AUMF, and end this phony war on terror.
He can call it whatever he wants.
He got elected to stop this shit.
He has only increased it, and he's bringing it here now with NDAA and drone bases.
Fuck him, Peter King, and all the other little bastards that think they know how to run our own communities better than we do.
We must agitate all pols to repeal AUMF, and end the phony 'War on Terror'
That is too bad. but in an unrelated point. Won't you please sign the petition in support of our continued success at resisting the neocon pressure to invade Iran?
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12660
Whaddyathink?
It's propaganda we MUST end 1st!
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15753-how-to-turn-a-world-short-on-enemies-into-a-very-threatening-place
Then the repeal of AUMF, ending the phony war on terror, NDAA, rights violations, & drone strike, all fall to the wayside.
they've already surrounded Iran and are destroying their civilian economy. They kill civilian fisherman who get too close to the warships too.
invasion or not, their plan is still underway.
Anyone saying Iran is a threat is a neocon. Anyone who voted for Iraq and has kept us in Afghanistan is a neocon. Starting a war in Libya was a neocon agenda item too. So is Syria.
All while we fund Saudi's who oppress.
So you won't join the effort to resist the neocon pressure to invade Iran by signing the petition.?
that's not what I said, VQ.
I just said democrats and republicans have both become the neocons on this issue.
Everything I listed was a fact.
Destroying a civlian economy in Iran - currently happening.
Surrounding Iran with warships - currently happening. Look into the straight of Hormuz.
Libya and Syria were planned under the Bush administration. - and look at the plans unfurl
I haven't taken issue with your comments, no need to repeat them. No need to state them at all. The items you mentioned are not related.
But you still haven't said if you would sign the petition against the neocon pressure to invade Iran.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12660
Will you? Please?
my comment has everything to do with the agenda still underway. Which was the original topic.
Your response ignores my comment entirely, You bring up horrible situations ut refuse to support our efforts to make change.
Perhaps you should put aside your illogical, immature, unfounded personal animosities against my politics, put your big boy pants on and sign the petition that supports our continued success at resisting the neocon pressure to invade Iran.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12660
Surely your desire to prevent a war is greater than your hatred for me personally.
Firstly that is not a petition. Its an email I email my congreßsman every week on issues like war and many others.
I do not support you because you are a spin propagandist on this forum. Later VQ have fun on your other accounts too.
You support war when you refuse to acknowledge all those involved and all the factors still in play.
Well then I guess i'm good, because I (NOT VQ?!) have NOT refused to acknowledge all those involved and all the factors still in play.
That is why I push for pressure to prevent the next neocon war!!
YOU are refusing to join in that effort. Maybe You are VQ!!
okay. I'm the pro-war guy? I've heard everything on this forum now. My favorite was when VQ used to accuse me of supporting Gaddafi for speaking against the war in Libya.
Pretty much all the politicians are neocons. From Bush to Obama they're all pro-war hacks.
So you ain't gonna add your name to the petition against the neocon pressure to invade Iran because we already have invaded.
I will look for the story on hundreds of thousands of troops landing in Iran but I'm pretty sure you are mistaken.
You might be exaggerating the current bad situation so you can avoid expressing support against a REAL invasion.
(I ignore all meaningless discussion of username, other than to say I AM inclusionman, I am NOT VQ. (wasteful distraction) I prefer expending my energies on the issues that affect the 99%)
it wasn't a petition. It was an email. I mentioned this already. Unless there is something I missed.
I don't know what salsa.org is, and I don't care to give my information out to a bunch of random websites that I know nothing about.
Never said troops were in Iran. I said troops have surrounded Iran. they are in the ocean, in bordering countries. They are doing military exercises in the straight of hormuz. Warships are out there. One crashed into a ship, and also a fisher boat with civlians was destroyed for getting too close. This is real. It's not a lie.
You don't know much about what's going on with iran do you? You really have no idea about everything I mentioned that's going on with Iran? The sanctions suggested by the USA are crushing the civlian economy of Iran. We've already declared a war against their poor by devaluing their currency and crushing their economy through sanctions.
Now please stop with the spin.
"You might be exaggerating the current bad situation so you can avoid expressing support against a REAL invasion." - your comment here is classic spin that reminds me a lot of VQ.
An invasion would be a war crime. Just like all the others the government has committed.
Yeah everyone is a neocon. That is the epitome of the false equivalency we are subject to by the MSM and the real war mongers.
I'm not saying you are pro war. (joking with the "you are VQ" quip. LOL)
I think because of relentless people like you who continue the pressure on all politicians, we have seen an end to the wasteful, self destructive military action in Iraq, as well as the beginning of the end finally in Afghan, As well as a reduction by half of drone assassinations, of the resistance of neocon pressure to invade Iran, For that you deserve thanks. I think we agree
Libya, Mali is minimal compared to Iraq/Afghan of course, but I am against all non defensive military action.
I'm only asking for support for resistance to the neocon pressure to invade Iran.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12660
Frankly I don't understand why you gotta throw up all these unrelated distractions.
Just I don't wanna support continued resistance to the neocon pressure to invade Iran. You wouldn't be the 1st.
While pressure helped get troops out of Iraq, it is more true that Iraq occupancy mainly "ended" because big oil finally got set up enough that hired mercs could handle the coverage. It's the same reason why troops are still in Afghanistan. The have to finish the new silk road.
I don't need to copy and paste an email. I can write my own and I do it all the time. If you want I'll mention that Likud lobby group.
Unrelated distractions? All of these wars are related. it's not a distraction to mention that even without the invasion the war against Iran already started. They're civilian economy is destroyed. Starvation will follow for the poor. They're surrounding them with warships and operate military exercises in the Straight of Hormuz. If we're talking about neocon agenda, it has everything to do with it. Suggesting my previous comment is a "distraction" is like saying your comment of "Libya, Mali is minimal compared to Iraq/Afghan of course, but I am against all non defensive military action" was a distraction. It's not a distraction and it's on topic.
Calling my comment a distraction is classic VQ. Also I'm still 90% sure you're one of the many monickers VQ has. He has many. If you're not, that's cool. Have fun digging up old VQ posts. Maybe you'll call this a distraction? I don't care. Have a good day! Keep fighting against the wars.
I am currently reviewing the 33million petitions you sent.
So you agree with the effort to pressure all pols to resist neocon pressure to invade Iran? You haven't said you agree yet.
And since your google anti war link is 33million - I guess you aren't serious about anti war efforts.?
I'm afraid once again you have shown you aren't serious about the anti war effort, or you wouldn't have sent me 33 million petitions to sign.
Pathetic, obvious, troll behavior
seriously stop with the spin. If you think I support an invasion against Iran, you are naive and ignorant of our previous conversations.
I agree with you on how horrible the sanctions, war games are to the economy/people of Iran.
Never disagreed.
We only disagree on whether we should pressure ALL pols to resist the neocon pressure to invade.
You've said NO! because we've already put sanctions. I sent anti sanctions petition, you say no again.
Why.? Is it because of VQ? He must have hurt you bad.
"We only disagree on whether we should pressure ALL pols to resist the neocon pressure to invade."
More bullshit. I never once said I support politicians that are pro-war.
More vq style spin. He only stalked me on this forum for over 6 months. With several usernames.
I never said no to anything. I just said I prefer to write on my own.
Did you sign all those petitions from that google search link? Must mean you're pro-war! LOL enjoy the spin game.
I know all about the current situation in Iran, the increased naval presence, the sanctions (and who pushed them, & who fought against them).
You did say we are already at war. But an invasion would be much worse. So let's work against the sanctions and the neocon pressure to invade.
Here's a petition just for that.
http://www.stopwaroniran.org/petition.shtml
You with us?
Sign all of these
http://www.google.com/search?q=petition+against+war&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS450US451&oq=petition+against+war&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I can't tell you how meaningless and tedious it is that you are hung up on VQ and usernames in general.
I don't care about the anonymous name on the comment. I learned fairly quickly that people change frequently and very few give their real names.
Most effective to deal with the substance of the comment.and BTW you can be 100% sure that I am inclusionman.
I only know that you have thus far refused to offer your support for my anti war efforts to resist the neocon pressure to invade Iran.
But you have been very clear about the problem being a personal one between you and VQ.
I've already stated unequivocally that you should be thanked for your relentless efforts against war.
thanks for the unequivocal stated thanks.
When you've been forum stalked on the internet by people, it does take away an element of belief. I'm down from 90% sure you're vq to about 60%. You use some of his jargon. I think at best, you could get to 50% on my belief that you're VQ.
Please remember you have NO authority over how I comment. I realize you are vexed and flummoxed at my challenges to your obvious questionable statements. But I have every right to respond.
In fact I believe people MUST see that YOUR comments are just wrong headed.
You don't have to respond. That might help. But if I see your ignorant comments I have the right to respond.
And I guess you don't like VQ so I will assume that you use it as a slur against me. I will therefore take that as a reason to respond MORE often.
thanks for taking the cue, vq
Yeah my comments about how the war against Iran has already started is all wrong. Forgive me for thinking destroying a civilian economy is an act of war. For thinking running military exercises as a form of force is an act of war. Woe as me. I am so wrong headed for thinking these actions are wrong.
Yah the guy calling economic destruction and forced famine on the poor wrong.... yah I'm wrong headed.
Classic VQ. Whether you're VQ or not, you've taken classic spin techniques right out of his playbook.
I sign petitions every day, I write letters, I march, I pressure pols in person.
So sure I'll sign your anti war petitions. But you aren't serious.
Why?
Is it a personal thing against me. Is that MORE important than your claims of being anti war.?
not only do I sign these petitions, I'm a member of code pink, JustForeignPolicy, UFPJ, Amnesty and other anti war. But enough about me.
Why won't you support the effort to prevent war in Iran?
LOL I'm not serious?
Get on already.
Later VQ. Please don't converse with me anymore on this forum.
I am against the wars. I write/call my congrssmen on these issues already.
Action Alert: We still need your help. This battle against the neocon war mongers is raging.
We have thousands of names behind this effort.
Please join with us!
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12689
Thanks
Please sign petition against mcarthyist neocon war monger smear tactics!
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=12615
Pres Obama ended Iraq war, ending afghan war, cut merc use, cut drone strikes, cut US military killings from a million+ to thousands. Will end all US military killings/drone strikes.
And he will start the process of eliminating all nuclear missiles.
Who is your daddy!!
Why do you attack the guy making this progress and give thereal criminals (repubs) a pass?
Do you have a problem with Pres Obama because he is black?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/chris-rocks-message-for-white-voters-kimmel-brooklyn-video_n_2068896.html
Hilarious.
Ending the 'war on terror' is the best opportunity we have of repealing patriot act, Indef Detention, warrentless wiretaps. even drone strikes.
This has been the plan all along. Declare thewar over, rescind the illegal rights violating war powers. This is the opposite of fear mongering propaganda
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Didn't I tell you this! How come you ain't listening?
Support this effort if you want to end the rights violations, and military actions.
If you are against this war on terror, support this effort to kick the worst fear monger off the intel committee
http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=bachmann_intelligence&autologin=true&s_src=pfaw_home
Does the BS never end with you?
I ain't lyin!
It's a fair question.
Your friend is attacking the one politician who is struggling more than any other to achieve what he pretends he is against.
I wanna understand what ism he suffers from & why he never puts blame where it belongs with repubs!!
Stein or Johnson. Take your pick.
Make a real difference. Life is short.
Struggling to end the propaganda that has been used to scare the country into supporting drone strikes & rights violations.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/Al-Qaeda-decimated-but-not-finished-Panetta/Article1-962228.aspx
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times-benghazi-attack-0
If Obama wins is he going to say "I inherited a mess again"
Hagel "too war skeptical for neo con war mongerers"
http://www.nationofchange.org/veterans-denounce-neoconservative-swiftboating-chuck-hagel-1356614968
Whoops they it is!
denounce the war mongerers
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/obama-rebukes-the-republican-warmonger-doctrine-of-unjustified-war/question-2688299/
Eject traitorous obstructionist repubs, & the remaining repub mess WILL get cleaned up.
Down with the crimes against humanity end the drone wars.
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Phasing out or modifying these emergency powers should be something that would appeal to both left and right. James Madison, father of the U.S. constitution, was clear on the topic. “Of all the enemies to public liberty,” he wrote, “war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. . . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”
If you want to know why the United States is in such a deep budgetary hole, one large piece of it is that the country has spent around $2 trillion on foreign wars in the past decade. Not coincidentally, Americans have had the largest expansion of the federal government since World War II. The Washington Post’s Dana Priest and William Arkin have described how the U.S. government has built 33 new complexes for the intelligence bureaucracies alone. The Department of Homeland Security employs 230,000 people. Fareed Z.
Good points, your links are appreciated. VQ!
With these on the list of Ows demands, and I'll see you at the commons. http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-americans-need-to-wake-the-fuck-up-are-we-givin/
PS Moyers on State of Democracy, new episode today.
GOP fear mongering
This is the kind of anti american rhetoric that facilitates the continued war on terror.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/11847/michele-bachmann-muslim-brotherhood-attacks-the-usual-republican-fear-mongering-in-desperate-attempt-to-win-an-election
We must recognize those pols who are trying to keep alive the fear mongering that facilitates the continued drone bombings, and violations of our constitutional rights.
Recognize them and vote them out of office.
The GOP chant:
Keep Fear Alive!
Keep Fear Alive!
Benghazi is the ticket
If you want to feed it
A little bit suspicion
A little bit omission
Watch their terror grow
Deep within their soul
Now we can take control.
Very good!. I see the Repub outrage on Benghazi simply as their objection to Dems refusal to use it as a means to reignite the 'war on terror'.
Repubs have been using Benghazi as proof that Al Qaeda is NOT decimated, as Pres Obama has saying & trying to establish.
Repubs know the Pres plan is to declare the 'war on terror' over, in order to wratchet down the repub created (& nurtured) fear mongering. Establishing Al Qaeda decimated, declaring the 'war on terror' over is our best hope of ending drone strikes, repealing rights violations, & cutting the military budget.
We have to stay aware, and focused on our goals within Occupy. End the wars, repeal the rights violations, denounce the fear mongering propaganda!
thanks, yep I think you got it about right
And the Administration continues to lie about Benghazi. Big surprise.
Thx. I knew you understood.
This effort to declare the war on terror over should have been done years ago. And it is pretty sad that Pres Obama wouldn't do it before his reelection, but I think he plans to, because he never uses the term 'war on terror', and has said repeatedly that Al Qaeda has been decimated.
He has gotten much criticism from the war mongers but it is the best way to repeal the rights violations and cut defense spending.
Thanks
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Are you an agent of the powers that be? I'm seriously beginning to wonder..
Ron Paul get booed by repub war mongers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlR7havZad4
When pols accuse other pols of being weak on defense they are trying to use fear to continue the war on terror.
We must end the fear mongering by voting out any politician who pushes weak on defense rhetoric,
The key word in your above statement though is "weak." Obama commands over half the world's entire military force; when he frowns the world should listen.
A little history of fear mongering which is at the center of our militaristic problems. Don't you see how repubs are the ones spewing this dangerous rhetoric?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fear-mongering-legislation-the-violent-radicalization-and-homegrown-terrorism-prevention-act/7509
haha... it would seem that you're the only one listening; what did they say now?
Don't you realize that these are all just political entities - they're not "people." - and the people always win.
So you support the fear mongering at the root of the drone strikes/war on terror/rights violations?
Why?
I just don't care. On the grand scale of things, they're but pin pricks on a giraffatitan.
Yeah the hell with everything!
Who cares?
We can't do anything anyway. Might as well just crawl into a corner & sulk.
It's not even that; I just don't care - nobody does.
yeah the hell with it.
"I'll have another cigarette and curse sir Walter Raleigh"
Just give up.
Non issues don't require the contemplative; no need of a cigarette. I just don't understand what all the hoopla is about.
yeah man! craaaaazy!
Not only have I ignored it; I do not know of a single person who has mentioned it in conversation.
I guess it's ok then, to use fear to keep the people supporting the war on terror.
People have a tendency to keep their eye on the ball. Your anti-drone is not the ball, it's just the pitch; it draws only limited attention.
True that. but it is right to give attention to the roots of our problems.
The fear mongering must end to finally end the rights violations, drone strikes & the war on terror.
What about this war mongering by Repub Sen Lindsey Graham?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32723.htm
Well it would seem to me that the mind of Lindsey contains an interesting anthology - an interest in psychology, law, and the military. So the question becomes, relative to the psychoanalysis of a Supreme Leader of Iran, is Lindsey correct? And in my mind, this question contains a dual element - what is is that prompts both the threat of Armageddon and Armageddon itself.
I don't think Presidential power is an issue. Presidents seem to get around attempts to restrict power regardless, and support of Israel also becomes a non-issue, because it doesn't really matter who is targeted - such actions would upset a lot of people - non-Israelis alike - who would demand action. It's conceivable that even our cold war enemies will become our allies because I don't believe they're going to be very happy, either.
We're accustomed to radical opinion in the US; we don't often act on it. And sanity here requires we stay our course and hope for the best; we have no other option.
We need to stop interfering in world affairs; the problem is that keeping a low-pro is not possible - when you are a nation as large as the US, people find you.
Or we could denounce all fear mongering, & war mongering because that is what is at the roots of getting support from the people for the drone strikes.war on terror, & rights violations
You really think they've drummed up that much support? Could it be people just don't care?
I think plenty of people don't care enough to consider the concept offalse fear mongering, or the war on terror. Those people just go about their lives and let the govt do whatever it wants.
Others care and listen to the fear mongering and are convinced we must give up some freedom for security, and we must drone bomb our enemies.
Others do care and want to denounce and end the fear mongering because it is dangerous & damaging to our freedom & other countries citizens lives.
Ehh, what a strange trip it's been. You realize of course that those who simply "go about their lives" are much more likely to vote for an Obama, don't you?
Some but not most. I think more of the distracted, fearful voters are conservative republican voters.
Why would you even choose to enter a word of "fear"?
Shaking down old ladies and children in airports isn't fear - it's prejudice, and it's a reverse prejudice, and that's all it is. In this supposedly free society we are not permitted to say things like this right? But we need to insert this prejudice labeled as fear in the conversation because that's what it is.
Fear mongering... 3000 people are buried under the dust of one third of a mile of concrete in the middle of Manhattan and you accuse us of fear as derogatory? Are you out of your mind?
I think that the war on terror is an experimental process and that there is going to be a lot of collateral damage, the loss of many, many, lives. But who cares, Americans aren't traveling the world blowing up the innocent - Islamic terrorists are.
Your "fear mongering," and any other expression of emotion, has no place in rational conversation for those in search of solution in the face of fact. What you suggest is an over reaction and that's not the case - the intent was, and still is, to remove people from power.
So you think my opposition to fear mongering is an overreaction?
Do you think fear mongering, propaganda of thewar on terror is not the roots of the problem?
And you don't think the US isn't blowing up innocent people around the world? Then your not paying attention.
It's not optimal
huh? What does that mean?
google it before the Romney ads start showing up
No thanks. Not much interested in riddles.
Peace.
Too bad. You seem to understand Obama better than I do. I was hoping you could tell me who many American deaths would be optimal. Guess i'll never know.
More riddles?. Ask a question if you want to know something.
I will answer if I can.
Peace
You r the only really fear monger but very lousy at it.
I never fear monger.
I may the only one here who focuses on it as the root cause of our drone strikes/war on terror/rights violations, but I know it MUST be ended before we can truly end all these critical problems.
The fight is worth it.
Do you not recognize this root cause? Do you deny it exists? Do you not believe repubs created & maintain this dangerous effort?
Do you not recognize this root cause? Do you deny it exists? Yes the direct cause is from the obummer admin, and spread through his lame sheeple, the ows loons, the very few that are left now.
Why?
So that we wouldn't have to engage in killing and being killed. The perception of a determined strength is a very effective bargaining tool.
We ain't weak! We ain't perceived as weak!! We cannot prevent every death from a terrorist attack.
That is the wrong goal! It is impossible to win that "war on terror"
It's silly, & expensive, it allows for the violation of our rights and then the terrorists win.
Don't you see? I thought you people believe terrorists hate us because they hate our freedom? If so we can't give up our freedom.
We can't put so much importance/legitimization to these cave dwellers. They can't over throw us. And we can't protect every one of our citizens.
Time to relax. they're just a fringe group of wackos who will lose support like every fringe group of wackos.
Have no 'fear'
We have nothing to fear but fear itself; so why are you so afraid of fear?
"Ah Bawa kawa poosay poosay" JL
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Dear Prudence, is is true, will I really be Free as a Bird When I'm 64?
Oblidi oblida?
Ok. pretty good. I thought said you were an old man. Didn't think you would know that one.
Be honest you googled it. didn't you?
I had to youtube Free As a Bird, yea.
But my quote was not from free as a bird.
How ever did you figure that out.?
Your phonetic spelling was incorrect: poussé (phonetically it's french). And 'JL'.
Good enough.
Peace.
Daniel. Don't we need to end the repub fear mongering propaganda before we can end the 'war on terror.?
i never responded to the issue because if you remember this was our debate but you refused to post in one of my threads so you started this one. IM not responding to the shit you keep posting because i know your giving me loaded questions and making me defend a point i have no interest in defending
I was eleven when all this went down i wasn't looking into political data i was playing in the backyard being a kid
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The war on terror should never stop but civil liberties should never be surrendered.
Why i say it should never end is that we should never accept acts of terror to be allowed to go unpunished especially if they are are international targets. Now should the Americans be footing the bill no it should be a joint effort.
We MUST declare the 'war on terror' over. It was always a fake construct to implement thev rights violations we all want to repeal.
Any violence/act of terror should be handled without "going to war" and surrendering our rights.
All defense agreements we make should include better cost sharing. Sure
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Why what difference does it make to you personally
But the going to war part was about throwing over the Taliban government in Afghanistan and getting rid of Saddam.
So if the UN declared war on terror would you agree with it
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We agree on the point of the patriot act and the NDAA being unconstitutional i agree that rights of American citizens have been breached.
Could they not just declare those acts unconstitutional and continue getting rid of terrorist cells.
Why would you not support it, Its the UN it essentially the united governments saying they will not tolerate these kinds of actions
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terrorist was used long before the war on terror but if you dont want to use that word than so be it.
If you sense that a word like that is propagandist in nature then i would suggest stop using it
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really color code warnings. You may be going a little too far out on that one. start smaller than that like war on terror
our freedom doesn't depend on what we call these things but on the patriot act and the NDAA getting repealed. Which under the present administration of government will not happen nor will future governments allow control to slip form their fingers
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the government wont give into people rallying it will take infiltration of new ideas into congress. This will require people to run for congress who are not wolves
What bill was not repealed last week
Indef detention of American citizens HAS been repealed in Senate version Feinstein-Lee Amendment (repubs voted against it) Repubs defeated broader Udall amendment.
The conference committee coming up is another opportunity to defeat rights violating republicans.
Are you with us? Let's pressure all pols to implement the "new ideas" you claim we need and repeal therepub created indef detention rights violation.
Lost until the wolves step down or until the sheep eat the wolves. I haven't given given up ive shown no sign of it but i am a realist and i realize that it is these acts that are impeding our constitutional rights
what bill was going through congress that would of done that
Why does it have to include religious extremist isnt that itself a propagandist view point?
i would think that in the last 4 year propaganda is not at all what it used to be an most of the public is well informed on this subject.
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by that definition they are extremist but they do not represent Islam very well nor practice it words. I think that they were crafted beyond religious viewpoints and crafted from constant turmoil in the region and frustration with the lack of help we gave them
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Terrorist or by their cell name
if we look past the religious bigotry and realize they do not represent the entirety of Islam but are Salafi extremist who rewrote the Koran to better fit there beliefs. Just as Christianity the Islamic nation has domination of Christianity.
Calling them terrorists plays into the fear mongering propaganda of the 'war on terror'. So I do not prefer it.
I suppose it is not inaccurate, I just prefer to put all that damaging rhetoric behind us. The Cell name, 'Al Qaeda', extremists, murderers, international criminals, all are good. I'm sure other terms can be found.
I also like the term 'extremist religious fundamental cases' too, but I suppose that might fall into some kinda propaganda category.
Nuclear is considered green energy that why Obama supports it
I do not support wind and solar at the top scale of things i think they are better than coal but unreliable.
For solar, solar site shouldn't be made bu instead solar panels should be installed on roofs of buildings. Even then they lose to much value overtime and in place like where i live they would not get direct sunlight like they are suppose to.
Wind: wind is something different i hate it one day love it the next. I think it could be that when i see a wind farm i get excited but i see the inconstancy in the data then the percentage of energy gained back which is around 35%.
I think they are good source of energy but no society could live off them alone
You never commented on the thread subject.
Repub fear mongering propaganda to keep the 'war on terror' alive.
Here is an update.
Ending the 'war on terror' is the best opportunity we have of repealing patriot act, Indef Detention, warrentless wiretaps. even drone strikes.
This has been the plan all along. Declare thewar over, rescind the illegal rights violating war powers. This the opposite of fear mongering propaganda.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Didn't I tell you this! How come you ain't listening?
Support this effort if you want to end the rights violations, and military actions
Ok. I support wind & solar. I believe we WILL support our society with these techs before long (within 30 years).
You sound like you don't support these techs. Surprise surprise.
Would you say there is as great a risk of radiation damage from wind/solar. How about explosions? Made made accidents that require evacuations within 10 miles?
Seems obvious to me the better path. Death and destruction or clean renewable energy. That is what we engineers in the energy field call a 'no brainer'.
LMFAO!
That's what you believe but its not i what i have read and studied from scientific journals and heard from the mouths of leading scientist.
i support them full force i just know they will part of the solution but not the solution.
Before i go on do you know whats inside a solar panel and how they are manufactured
C'mon now. I played fair. Why won't you?
Pick an issue, and let's hear what you think the conservative/progressive approach is.
I don't think I have to specify the silicon and metals involved with solar panel construction to support it. And I do not hold your opinion above mine because you throw around your science degrees.
i have played more than fair .i haven't slandered and spouted untrue things about nuclear or engineers.
I approach things not based on conservative or progressive i approach things if they are stable and if they benefit humans to it core. So no i dont have a conservative or a progressive approach because i dont think that way.
The reason i dont like solar as much as the next guy is i know whats in them and i know they are not recyclable i also know that most people throw them into the trash. When they go to the landfill they then leak mercury and other hazardous chemicals into the landfill
okay dont hold my opinion above your but i am urging you to actually read about these things and you might be surprised. But these topics are stil conversational so read from universities studies since students are doing research and do not care if the results are good or bad.
I am well aware of the dangers of discarding tech inappropriately. Even batteries & fluorescent light bulbs,
My answer to that is to create an industry to sort our garbage properly.
These are necessary greentech jobs! Also we should be creating jobs to sort through existing landfills.
THAT'S the answer. More jobs! Not discarding the technology. We can't throw out the baby with the bathwater
Then look at your peers because businesses rather see there products used than in the trash
What? Peers? Who?
Businesses rather see their products used? Sure. What does that mean?
Business should be paying for discarding/recycling their products. Is that what you mean.?
No I worked with union boys this summer enjoyed the work I'm just pointing to a fact every shop doesn't need to be unionized. We love the union hated the union bosses and saw no need for them. We were a trade union meaning that we were skilled laborers.
I'm sorry you don't understand the scrap business very well its a very small market and has been picked over and already saturated with workers.
you can stop with the antagonizing attacks
The work of sorting the landfills has never been done.
It WILL take an army of workers.
Jobs we could use.
Alright go for then it you and your Army go dig
Ok. thanks.
its not the danger of us getting in harms way its the sludge and other waste from mining its dangerous
Im not objecting the idea of recycling. I'm objecting the idea of tearing up an ecosystem again for some metal that can be found in mines already established and working. Its common sense leave as little of a foot print as possible.
There is better ways to get precious metals than mining our own planet
Recycle, reuse, reduce. None of you objections are convincing why mine when we can just get it from landfills?
Don't make sense.
Fine then start the business up if you think there is money to be earned go for it I'm not stopping you. I'm just stating i think there is a better way to allocate resources and it is not as green or will provide as many jobs as you think.
An army of jobs.! Very little start up money, eventually pay for itself and become profitable.
No?
Obama spokesman suggests the end ofthe War on Terror.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
name a value other than "good for the environment"
also have you ever been in a union
What does my personal experience have to do with anything. As always you are resorting to fishing for some info to personally attack me with.
I say unions are great for the worker!
In regards to landfills I've already told you we will recycle much of the materials, & clean up the landfill. In addition we will be creating an army of jobs! It's all good.
Why would you object?
Your lack of knowledge on these subjects is showing
We don't have electric mining equipment on that scale if you have ever been to a land fill you would understand that these are massive hills. Its not green its dangerous and could leave the land in horrible shape but as long as it puts people to work who cares how dirty the work is. I thought you were green ideas
People do dangerous work all the time. Why would that stop us.? In any event we can utilize small scale electric machines to do the work along with using our hands. Until we get the improvements in electric motors we need. Who knows this effort might be the catalyst that will bring that innovation.
Think of all the precious metals from old PC/electronic equipment.
It's all kind of good.
Why would you object?
Its a simple question
because you said i was against unions and i said no since i was in one over the summer and even though i enjoyed it. i see no need for everyone to be in a union and i am in much more favor of trade unions than labor unions.
Why because it would take more energy to mine them with machines that will burn oil and gas to get something that is little of value then we will have sludge of waste then we have to rebury the waste. Its simple do you value parks or do you value mining operations. Or did you think that these workers would be doing this by hand.
by hand is ok with me. Or maybe alternative energy machines.
I value parks and recycling/cleaning up landfills. After they are cleaned we can put the park back.
All unions are excellent for workers.
its done everyday with methane gas we harvest it. The those landfills are turned into parks and other things. We haven't reached the point in society that we need to mine landfills.
Also what type of worker will mine a landfill
The work of sorting through landfills would be a valuable useful exercise in recycling & cleanup. And indeed we have reached that point.
The type of worker I think would be an unemployed worker.
why most of the stuff is composite and is there for a reason. sorry this idea is flawed we have no reason to mine our landfills
There is real value in recycling & cleaning up the landfills.
Peace
An Army of workers!
OK sure even though they are self employed
who is self employed.?
most metal scrappers most people who have jobs like that are paid based on what they bring in.
So why would a self employed man need to unionize because he isnt giving himself enough pay. please think about these issues before you post it would save time
Individual scappers? What we need is for the scrapper to expand into a small business hire others provide benefits, allow unionization, maybe co ownership of the business.
It's the only way.
Yes most scrap yards and business are less than a five man operation
ok but there is no need for a union if the workers dont want it
I guess your against unions. I get it. I am for it. There is POWER in the union.
In any event we are not sorting through existing landfills. It ain't happening. We need an army of workers for this important task.
Imagine all the Iron/steel we could avoid mining. Plastics we could avoid manufacturing. Other materials. And the clean up we would accomplish.
An Army of workers!
There is no hidden meaning behind any of theses words
I don't know what peers you are referring to.
Green tech jobs to sort recycled trash.
...... all of them Americans, think
We have that already them we call them scrappers capitalism economy at its best
Real jobs. With benefits.
Unionized!
Most scrapping jobs are done by small groups of men who have no reason to unionize
Real unionized jobs sorting discarded recycled waste, and the landfills.
It's the only way.
Is every problem a cause from Republicans to put the men and women
OK new subject
Nuclear power why do you hate it so much lowest cost per Kilowatt only one that is better is natural gas
2 words.
Chernobyl, Fukushima.
Thats not enough words
Because of the radiation danger to human life from an accident or damage to a nuclear power plant I am against utilizing nuclear power. (eg." Chernobyl, Fukushima)
two accidents both of which were man made and operator faults and not in term with us regulations
what if i told you that by living a brick or stone house for a year you get more radiation than what was exposed to Tokyo from Fukushima. Radiation from your body, yes you, is more potent than the limit that the EPA placed on allowed radiation limits from nuclear power plants. So if you hate radiation stop eating peanuts and potatoes since they are in the ground radiation is coming up from the core and goes into them. Bananas are special they release radiation since they have potassium in them a vitamin that we need but since potassium is an unstable atom and as it breaks down radiation leaks into your body. This is also not account for the magnetic fild around earth which is changing since it is about to flip when it dos mass amount radiation could leak down.
Lets look on the bright side Nuclear energy is the greenest and environmentalist Stewart Brand "those who know the least are the most worried, With nuclear those who know the most are the last worried". Coal plants put out more radiation than nuclear power plants do.
On Co2 emissions it is below solar wind and hydro. If you were to use only nuclear power as your source of electricity all the waste would fit in a can of coke. The amount we use is stored in mostly dry cast storage. Those that aren't are stored in very similar ways. They are secured monitored on a magnitude of levels with multiple Geiger counters temperature models and seismic activity. waste is a big issue but with breeder reactors and advancement in technology we see no problem with dealing with it and reusing it. The future scientific community has plans for the waste so it reality its not wast but potential energy.
Now lets look at risk of terrorist attack since we live in the age of total war. There have been zero terrorist attacks on nuclear plants in the United States. Try to walk up to one and you will be greeted by a man with a M16 asking why you are there.
Are you greeted w/ M16 soldier at coal plants? Nope. Because the danger is different.
So if you told me that nuclear power was not dangerous, I would say you are mistaken, and I disagree.
So you support nuclear energy. Great!. I do not.
We must agree to disagree. Can you do that without calling me names.?
Coal plants are more radioactive than nuclear power plants. The reason we are greeted with these guns is to protect and to ensure people like you and me that the place is safe.
I placed all the evidence in front of you if you choose not to accept it then so be it. I am not mistaken I am back by thousands of environmentalist, scientist, physicist and engineers. Along with universities and both the private and public sector.
here is a great ted talk debate on this very subject http://www.ted.com/talks/debate_does_the_world_need_nuclear_energy.html
and here is a great chart that explains radiation in simple terms http://xkcd.com/radiation/
I have yet to call you a name
Yeah riiiiiiiight?
And I am not alone either in my opposition to nuclear energy, because of the profound danger to human life. I offer Chernobyl, & Fikushima as evidence. Don't you think the "dead area" around Chernobyl means anything?
So we disagree on nuclear power.
Anything else? I also want to eliminate all nuclear weapons. How do you feel about that?
yeah right, yes right if nuclear power was not a true vital source of power we would not have degrees in Nuclear Engineering still be given out nor would we have programs in our schools about nuclear energy
No your not alone but you are with a part that may not have full understanding of what nuclear power actually works. On Chernobyl i know the risk i want to work on the clean up crews there so i know all of the risks.
There is no need for Atomic bomb anymore and i agree that we should eliminate all of them and i have a solution to that problem using that enriched plutonium for nuclear power plants.
Why do private insurance companies refuse to insure nuclear power plants, and therefore force the govt to insure them.?
Isn't because of the massive damage & death they can potentially create?
replace anti greentech conservatives w/ pro greentech progressives.
Nuclear is endorsed by Obama as a green energy. so what does that mean?
Do you have a link to that statement about insurance companies?
I could see why in today's society we have people that sue for everything well with radiation there is no way you could disprove cancer cause since all cancer is caused by radiation or genetics
I will search for you.
Peace.
Ok you can search up Obama's energy plan while you're at it
Why?
He supports green tech, and has done more in that regard than any previous Pres. He would have done more if not for the obstruction by the conservatives politicians in the pocket of fossil fuel corps.
Do you support wind & solar power?
"ALL" ? - sorry but you are overlooking toxins as cause for cancer - artificial sweeteners - artificial colorings/dye - steroids.
I'm an Engineer, not a doctor
That is still up in the air since there is many lurking variables that have not been accounted for.
But with radiation talking about skin liver eyes heart lung. The major ones that can be linked to cancer
Damnit Jim..........
hahahahaha. I slay me.
Hey Al Gore is that you???
no its not haha
Do not forget about the co2 that cow farts put out. hehehe just ask al gore. Gore has manure for brains
actually cows may contribute more to global warming than humans do
I think that Al Gore should start holding his farts in then
lay off al gore a bit
Yes we need to end the hate mongering groups that exist but that is not a political issue that is a social issue. Its not the political party doing this it is people who are scared and want other to feel scared. The hate mongering has been more of a religious thing thing than a political thing.
Repub fear mongering propaganda is the most important crimes to protest if we want to end the drone strikes, the repub created war on terror, & the rights violations.
"it's the only way"
I think in fact it is the neocons! Those politicians in bed with the MIC. Those politicians who created all the rights violations we are still living with (patriot act, indef det. etc) Fear serves those neocon goals.
So it IS politicians, It IS at the behest of 1% oligarchs. It IS about controlling the population and pushing the neocon agenda.
And I recall a psychological study indicating that people (even liberals) are more conservatives when they are scared.
That is it the center of one party trying to scare as many people as possible. It is how they retain power, and how they pass their pro 1% agenda.
No?
alright I seen you say this before im wondering what are there goals
Who the neocons?
Are you done opining? No more debate?
Have we moved on to the interrogation part of our show?
There is no way to respond to that post with out a question but at last i will try
I will say i do not see a neo-con take over nor do i see a neo-liberal take over for the last four year we have seen the congress go from democratic control to republican control. Now i have noticed more radicals show up but this could be a result of great troubles. Like you said so your self in tough times we go to a more conservative way of thinking as our primal instincts wanted us to. So is against nature to think but about our close family members?
So again what would happen if the neo-cons took over would they kill us, make us read the Scriptures that they so choose or perhaps nothing would happen no progress of any kind
I submit that the neocons took over the country when Bush was elected (before that the neocons had great power but not total)
I believe the neocons lost some of the control (but not all) when Pres Obama was elected. (electing Romney would give neocons back that power because they HAVE taken overthe repub party)
I did not say people turn conservative when faced with "tough times" they may, but I didn't say that. I said when they are scared.
Let's remember that during the great depression FDR turned people to progressive solutions by alleviating their fear. (the only thing we have to fear is fear itself) He recognized that we must alleviate the fear.
Repub neocons know they can only succeed if they keep people afraid.
So what would happen? Well look at the agenda, they resource wars would escalate instead o deescalate as the dems are attempting. The 1% plutocrats would get more breaks and the 99% would struggle more.
All safety nets would be destroyed, (SS, Medicare, ACA, Pell) and yes scripture/religion would be intriduced as some measure regarding womens rights, LGBT rights and so forth.
Those extremists who have taken over the Repub party must be stopped.
first off this isnt a debate this is you ragging on the republican party, which do all you want but im not going to read the same thing five times
if you want to debate something worth wild lets go
I am arguing that one party has been taken over by extremists who will destroy the 99%.
I submit ALL our problems are rooted in conservative policies.
On this post I argue that the repubs are using fear to control the population and garner support for the drone strikes/war on terror, and rights violations.
That IS worth while. What is more worth while than ending war, and rights violations.?
all problems are rooted back to one party?
Ok on the right violations ill go there why is it a problem to show an ID for voting we are going to have to show one for the insurance mandate isee no problem with this
Please make sense.
Are saying you support adding new requirements on citizens in order for them exercise their right to vote that they've never had to before, and does not address any in person fraud problem?
Is that what you are saying?. Cause your comment did not make sense.
i don't think it a big deal to show a ID to vote gets rid of all these fraud claims.
There are no valid fraud claims.
That is the repub smoke screen, fallacy they are using to justify the new voter id requirement, designed to suppress the vote.
So we can eliminate "all these fraud claims" by showing the evidence against the false repub claims and pointing & laughing.
That will "get rid of all these fraud claims" more effectively. This method will minimize the risk that repubs will try some other scheme to suppress dem votes if we ridicule them! Personally I think any politician attempting to suppress votes based on these lies should be prosecuted.
That'll work! Certainly we should not justify these false fraud claims by implementing vote suppressing schemes.
Sorry we disagree. Too many people have died, & bled for this right. No laws to minimize, or make more difficult the fundamental right to vote.
I thank the men and woman that gave there live voluntarily and involuntary
I live in a state that does have a voter ID law it was the first one and it works. Better yet when people can not afford it they get the IDs for free
were not talking about republicans anymore we moved on
i won't pretend repubs aren't behind the voter id laws to suppress dem votes.
Sorry.
And now they are using experimental software in Ohio. Whatta ya know.
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4766
Should we be suspicious?
Some voters in certain States are complaining when they cast a vote for a real leader (Romney) obummers name pops up instead
I don't believe you!
fear is a primal survival instinct
That's right Matt.
And when we are afraid we are more selfish and less considerate of others (conservative)
One party has tapped into it, in fact nurtures fear because their policies are based on selfishness and being inconsiderate.
Progressives (Green party) = "we're in this together"
Conservatives= "you're on your own"
Party wars also are an issue. We have to unite, not divide.
Activism, Mutual Aid and Education
Three ways we can promote free thinking across the board.
Forget D/R.party paradigm.
Lets get in the street & fight for progressive change that benefits the 99%.
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This is repub war mongers fighting against war skeptic nominee for secr of defense.
http://signon.org/sign/back-obama-in-tapping-1?source=c.url&r_by=1135580
Gracias.
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Que sera sera.!
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Johny Depp is playing Tonto in the new Lone Ranger film.
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Supposed to be good, he got the blessing of native Americans as well.
CNN footage of story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHtMmdGWi4Q
Excellent.
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Our government is corrupt across the board. Fear mongering is their MO.
We must get into the street, identify the specific acts of fear mongering propaganda, and denounce it.
All propaganda from our corrupt politicians. must be denounced. Any pol who pushes that propaganda must be kicked out of office.
If we succeed they cannot maintain the war on terror, or the rights violations.
Ending the fear mongering propaganda is the key to ending all these problems.
I agree. Truth visibility, exposing tyranny, and providing solutions to our problems on a local, state, and national level are my goals living in this nightmare.
Amen.
Stop the propaganda lies. It's the only way to end the wars & rights violations
Here is our govt taking the 1st step to unravel this war on terror.
Ending the 'war on terror' is the best opportunity we have of repealing patriot act, Indef Detention, warrentless wiretaps. even drone strikes.
This has been the plan all along. Declare thewar over, rescind the illegal rights violating war powers. This is the opposite of fear mongering propaganda.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1299523--it-s-time-to-end-the-war-on-terror
Support this effort if you want to end the rights violations, and military actions
Israeli Energy Cos Announce New Gas Discovery
Greentech now! Stop fossil fuel subsidies!
It's the only way.
And here is more psychological/propaganda we must resist if we are gonna end the phony war on terror'.
http://www.nationofchange.org/let-s-stop-glorifying-war-1361632905
No worries, Al Qaeda has been decimated, as per Obama.
Excellent, finally.. Now we can declare the end of the repub created war on terror, the drone strikes & repeal the rights violations.
There is no tactic or ploy that is too low for Republicons. 9-11 proved that!
You are correct. They played this country like an old salvation army drum when they exploited the 9/11 attacks, and switched from the old red scare war mongering to the endless war on terror fear mongering.
This fear mongering is the root of our problems. We must replace the war mongering conservatives w/ peace loving progressives, & continue protesting against all war.
Like a Chinese fiddle at a "Deliverance" tour bus stop!
9-11 was an above the POTUS decision and program. It was meant to rearrange society, mission accomplished.
LOL on the fiddle comment.
And yeah the neo cons succeeded so well it will take years and much hard work to correct.
I think also there has been slow progress towards that correction.
Arsonists sniperring the Firemen.
Very good.
Recognize them and vote them out of office.!!!!!! We have recognized them and the Obama admin is truly to blame. They knew from day one it was an act of terror but blamed it on a lame video instead. Vote him out!!!!!!!!!
Ron Paul gets booed by repub war mongers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlR7havZad4
Pres Obama said it was an act of terror the next day! 9/12.
Seems to me it is better to play down the Al Qaeda link. We MUST stop the fear mongering that allows us to spend almost a trillion dollars on defense every year/
Al Qaeda was NEVER an existential threat. NEVER. Repubs used fear to create millions of deaths, trillions in wasted money and horrible violations of out constitutional rights.
So the people trying to scare us with Muslim boogeymen, & accuse the other side of being weak on defense are the war mongers who must be voted out of office.
!st step :stop the fear mongering, so we gotta vote out the war mongers.
Pres Obama said at the UN meeting it was because of a video. We have had this discussion before. How did the Rep create millions of deaths? I have been on this Earth for 57 years now and never heard that one before
Here is a repub recognizing how horribly destructive the republican war mongering is to the American people, economy, & the whole planet.
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/peggy-noonan-blasts-republicans-for-iran-warmongering.html
downvoting what peggy says ???
I am under attack by anti dem partisans. It happens when I challenge their anti Obama campaigning.
I don't care about the numbers. but I'll vote you up if you care to counter their silly downvotes.
Nov 6 will mark the end of the obama regime
Then we have more war to look forward to.
Is that what you want?
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Obama could have ended all the current conflicts that we have, but he did not. So he is no different than the rest
He could not have ended them any faster because this right wing country is played by the right wing war mongers and he would never get re elected.
And how is he gonna eliminate all nuclear weapons if he ain't re elected.
It's not easy defying the powers that be. Gotta do it slowly. No one gives up power without a fight. And man they have been squealin and putting up a massive fight using their repub tools.
But we ARE making progress. Slow and steady wins the race.
LMFAO.!!!!!
Sad you have tunnel vision and can only see one thing.
your insults are proof you have no substantive response.
I have a wide view. I recognise dem failures in voting forwar, and constitutional violations. I protest that & drone bombings.
I believe above all that we MUST change our war footing. We MUST stop thefear mongering.
1ST we must end the scare tactics and one party started it, continues it, & believes it benefits their party to maintain it.
We can change nothing until we end the fear/war mongering!! We can best do that by voting out the politicians who spew it!
(until the new system emerges! How's that comin'?)
I see that you are starting to realize that the dems are also to blame. In my eye they are all crooked, both sides.
A little more news you can use to clarify your right wing adled brain.
http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Warrior-or-War-Monger-by-Alex-Howard-121013-801.html
Sure. But one party has always been the war mongers, the other has always been accused of being weak on defense.
I believe above all that we MUST change our war footing. We MUST stop the fear mongering.
1ST we must end the scare tactics and one party started it, continues it, & believes it benefits their party to maintain it.
We can change nothing until we end the fear/war mongering!! We can best do that by voting out the politicians who spew it!
The repubs used fear to start 2 oil wars in the middle east that has created millions of deaths!
For oil! And using fear to get support
We must end the fear mongering. Any politician who spews weak on terror/defense rhetoric MUST be voted out of office.
Any extremist anti muslim scare tactics must be repudiated by voting those politicians out of office (Bachman!)
Don't be afraid. Embrace love!
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Y
Rep did not do this on their own and you know it. Then Senators like Obama and Biden both approved billing for the war so, both sides are to blame
But it was one party that used fear to exploit the 9/11 attacks to get the 2 wars, to get huge defense increases, to consolidate fed union jobs into Homeland & take away right to strike. violations of our constitutional rights.
One party is still pushing fear & war and one party ain't.!!
Vote out fear mongering republicans, elect peace loving progressives. & protest for change that benefits the 99%
"It's the only way to be sure"
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When you have two sides voting on funding for a war or any other thing, then it becomes "two sided". You know dam well that Dems also voted for this but you cannot bring your self to blame them also
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Rather if it was fear mongering or not, the dems still did not need to vote, but they did. They lined their pockets with our tax dollars just like any other congressman would do
Some didn't, but most did. The country was in a war frenzy, created by repubs who used fear when they exploited the 9/11 attacks.
70% of the country supported the Afghan war, because of the fear nurtured by Bush. I can criticize dems but can't pretend repubs didn't use fear, & still do to maintain the destructive war posture.
It must end, And we must start by voting any Politician who spews fear/war mongering.