Forum Post: This Is Really Quite Sad. Why Aren't There More People Posting?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 3:24 p.m. EST by MikeInOhio
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For being such a popular movement it's pretty sad that this site has so few posters. I guess everyone went to Starbucks for their cappuccino lattes?
I had some nice debates yesterday, but it seems like the "movement" is losing steam. I guess I convinced almost everyone that this cause is mostly flawed.
Again, I think your movement is a shining example of one of the greatest problems in our country- poorly educated people. I certainly don’t view you folks as ignorant, but I would argue that most of you have little grasp of finance and economics.
Keep beating on the rich and successful, if you like, but your charade is not playing well in middle America. And don't forget what the street protests in the 60's and 70's gave us- Richard Nixon!
I noticed the posting slowed down around 11:30 NY time. Can't protest during lunch. Must be trying to get the protest unionized.
No, no. They all went to Starbucks to get their corporate-brewed coffee.
ahahha... so true... even Starbucks is on them with taking away the outlets so their computer's eventually die...
the solution.
http://youtu.be/Ka1ym7S3F3w
http://rpflix.com/2108
agreed, ignorance is the core problem, must form think tanks to fix that.
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150343790359248&set=a.10150264906064248.348293.511989247&type=1&theater
Yes, unfortunately ignorance is the core problem, but the ignorant don't seem to understand that.
“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than an autocracy and more selfish than a bureaucracy.
IT DENOUNCES AS PUBLIC ENEMIES, ALL WHO QUESTION ITS METHODS OR THROW LIGHT UPON ITS CRIMES.
I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the once at my rear is the greatest foe. Corporations hav been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of the few, and the Republic is destroyed.”
Abe Lincoln
Keep it up!
Don't be sad. GET MAD
Nassim Taleb - 'The Banks Have Hijacked the Government'
youtu.be/WkT8dFA1xNE
I am mad, in case you didn't notice!
Is there a possibility of infiltration? Do you think this Forum is being SABOTAGED?
with all the stupidass government puppets posting here lately (traditional term: the reaction) there are plenty of reasons to stop wasting time here and get involved on the streets.
I guess you are referring to me? Again, if you can't debate the facts it is always easiest to hurl obscenities at your enemies.
that is a fact.
Why haven't I heard from you in a while? Still smarting from the beatdown?
We had tens of thousands of people marching yesterday and we're losing steam? hahahaha
Like I said, one of the biggest problems we have is poorly educated people. Apparently we also have a problem with debating skills. Isn't there a NYC liberal out there who can put two sentences together?
This isn't a liberal movement.
The street protests in the 60s would have given us Robert Kennedy if he hadn't been murdered (even though many on the left wouldn't have supported RFK until after the Dem convention). Humphrey was better than Nixon but many progressives were furious with HHH because he remained loyal to LBJ and refused to condemn the war in Vietnam. But to your actual point, I agree it is worthy of concern. However, I think OWS is much more than a charade and plays better than you think with middle America folks who are pretty fed up.
No, it is a charade.
You make a good point about RFK, but I don't think this thing plays well. The protesters I have seen speak on CNN have not impressed me. You have to say more than "It's Wall St and Corporations". I can teach my 3-year old to say that. Where's the substance? I certainly haven't seen it on this forum either.
It's going to start getting VERY cold late at night here in New York City very soon.
That is when the protest will end. It should have been started in the Spring when the weather was getting warmer.
Also, Zuccotti Park is private property. The owners are starting to get pissed off and might ask the city to remove all protesters.
Yes!
Zuccotti Park doesn't exist anymore. This land is now known as Liberty Square and it belongs to the people who live there.
Zuccotti Park is owned by Brookfield Office Properties. It is private property not a public city owned park.
You can call it anything you like. It is still owned by Brookfield Office Properties.
We are the de facto owners and that's all that matters. They have no authority in Liberty Square and a piece of paper doesn't make you the absolute ruler over a small part of mother nature.
A piece of paper DOES make you the owner of the property. Brookfield also pays the taxes on the property. Are you paying them?
You may be temporary "defacto" occupiers of the property, but that too is a temporary situation.
I have it on good authority that the Mayor is not going to allow this to go on for another two weeks. The police WILL eventually remove you "defacto" occupiers. When that comes, the gig is up.
Are you involved in organizing occupy d.c.?
No. But that is where all the protesting and occupying should be done.... down in Washington D.C.
Washington is the problem in this country.... not Wall Street.
For one thing, the Internet service from ny is very slow, maybe Sabotaged. The 60s and 70s street protests ended segregation and ended the Vietnam war. Richard Nixon in exchange for those two victories? It was a good deal. Besides we got the watergate hearings as a bonus.
I wish freedom played better to middle America...
It is how we live.
Middle America spends more time watching TV than anything else.
I guess all you folks on the east coast don't watch tv. Maybe you should occasionally, you might learn something.
Oh that's right, you get all your information from Paul Krugman and the New York Times.
I get all of my news from the internet. Not corporate-owned news like the NYT.
I wished freedom played better in CT, NY, CA, and MA.
Well they have a forum over at the Coffee Party and the participation there is not much better. Look most people are struggling and probably don't have the time as their main preoccupation right now is survival. The bulk of the participants here are probably young and still dependent on mom and dad to some extent or have access to financial aid. There's also a lot of sick, addicted, and disabled people out there too.. And I disagree with this effort not playing well with middle America. Back in the 60s, the national economy was still relatively vibrant. That is no longer the case. The middle class in this country for the most part has become vanquished. And yes we did get Richard Nixon. But we really don't know how much vote rigging was involved with that too---a very real phenomena which is still in use today BIG TIME. Nixon eventually did himself in too because of his paranoia.
The unemployed hippies are all at work! I must go back & do a lil work myself now.
Peace!
Without proper recognition, you only create a darker society which starts to blur the lines between what is acceptable in change and what isn't. Ie Fall of the Russian Empire and rise of the USSR.
I think it is just becoming to hard to stay on topics around here. It's very cluttered and the post keep popping up as fast as anyone can respond then thing are being erased so....
Fuck middle America -- Most of them voted for Bush TWICE, wanted Sarah Palin to be Prez and think tax cuts to jet owners create jobs.
Do you realize that he state of Ohio is 51%-49% Democrat to Republican? That's why I debate.
Lovely!
What about the half that voted for Obama? America as a whole as put up horrible candidates for years. It's not dem vs repub, it's greedy people in power that we keep reelecting. But I guess I must then agree, fuck middle America, many are getting what they deserve but there are also many innocent bystanders.
Slow down there Educlmm how can you say "fuck middle America" Seriously if you don't live here then you don't know. If I could I'd be in the streets of NYC. Most people in middle america are hard working honest people who do want the best. But they have been raised on different back grounds and yes alot of them wanted the thing you said and did vote for Bush twice but they see now that he wasn't right for the country and most people really do see through Palin as well. They just now are seeing whats wrong witht the country so there is a chance we could opena few minds rather than keeping them closed with saying fuck'em.
You are right. I'm just so tired of people who think that 'middle America" knows best. I'm just frustrated and didn't use the best words. And yes, I live in NYC and was there last night, although too late -- went after work. Going back Friday night
Well, we live in a country where everyone votes, not just the liberal intelligentsia in NYC. I just can't figure out why none of you brilliant people can offer any meaningful debate. All you seem to be able to do is hurl obscenities when you are faced with the folly of your belief system.