Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: Third gun show in as many weeks - lines to get in increasing.

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 5, 2013, 5:48 p.m. EST by Shayneh (-482)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

I find it interesting that this is happening - and there is a reason for it.

When I talk to people in line several issues come up - gun control - youth deterioration - lack of government trust.

These seem to be the three main issues that these people are concerned with. They are not buing guns just to buy guns - there are a lot of younger people who are first time buyers -

They know what's coming down the road unless our government changes it's direction with regard to how it's financially destroying this country.

I am even having a problem getting supplies I need - I love to shoot firearms - this past week went to the range and expended over 500 rounds of various calibers.

I am no different then 99.9% of those who own firearms - but I feel as they do when it comes to our government and what needs to be done to control the violence in this country.

63 Comments

63 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

I'll tell you the reason for it. Ignorance. Wake up! The banksters don't come after you with guns! You will never be able to fight those who have raped and pillaged you with guns! You need much better weapons that that!

[+] -4 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Who would you rather have protect you "an ignorant gun owner" or a banker?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22225) 1 year ago

Shayneh. You missed my point. See shooz below.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If the gun nutters were serious about their claim about attacking tyranny, they would have gone after the bankers decades ago.

Chickenshit pussyfooters.

Nothing but FEAR driving them to their fetish.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You cant vote for people who accept money from wall st and call others who do chickenshit.

At least I think that is how it should go.

When will EVERYONE on this site declare they never will vote for those who accept corporate money?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You still refuse to respond to the gist of what was posted.

Preferring to return to your unproven, BS about a duopoly.

I won't answer another one of your questions until you respond properly to mine.

So here's another challenge for you.

Show us all the Democratic equivalent of the GOP's "emergency managers".

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I cant. Maybe I dont know of em, maybe they dont exist. Maybe its just a Republican thing. Is it? Im guessing so.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

This just shows that you don't read what I've posted.

So "maybe they don't exist?"

Yes Virginia.........They do.

In November the voters voted for repeal and Snyder has already re-instituted it.

That's EXACTLY the way tyranny works.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13738-new-emergency-financial-manager-law-is-more-of-the-same

http://www.vltp.net/education/michigans-new-emergency-manager-law-an-analysis

You can stop guessing now.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I was speaking of "Democratic" ones that didnt exist.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

But you didn't speak very much.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I dont know anything about emergency managers. Im not an endless supply of political knowledge shooz :)

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I've provided you with lots of explanatory material.

I guess it's like "the big lie", you just refuse to believe it.

Here's a little something more on topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101790231

That's correct. Libe(R)tarians are wrong again, as are the States rights people.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So you dont support Occupies overall goal of a horizontal society?

Why are you on here then?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How does that response have anything to do with what I posted?

How does it have anything to do with what was said in the video?

It's just you jerking your knee in another attempt to discredit, I doubt you even watched it.

Did you figure out "emergency managers" yet and know how it is tyranny at the State level?

I doubt that too.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Emergency managers- bad

State taking away rights- bad

Listening too deeply to either of the people in your video- very bad.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Such unbelievably concise insight.

Jk?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Honestly, did I spend much time listening to those two blabbering? No.

Can the state take away your guns? Im pretty sure at this point, they can do just about anything they feel like. Take a look around.

That being said, do we want them to have that level of power over us? No. We want decentralized, horizontal country to live in.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Blabbering?

You still aren't responding to what was posted.

It's you doing the blabbering.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're not a supply of ANY knowledge (political or otherwise). You are an endless supply of comedy, & lies. Like the Bullshit youtube You tried to push claiming Kucinich blamed both parties for fiscal cliff fear mongering.

Whatta fuckin joke. You lyin piece of partisan shit

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

See i'd say the exact same thing about you VQ. How many times have i embarrassed the crap out of you calling out your bullshit lies on this forum? So bad a number of times that your buddies decide to jump in and help you out.

You can't stand people who speak the truth - when the truth happens to place slight blame on a democrat. It's disgusting....seriously why do you post here. Go join a "kiss the democrats ass at all costs no matter what the circumstances" forum somewhere else and leave the real occupiers here to discuss real change.

Most of the time i just ignore you guys now - but sometimes the BS meter goes through the roof and i can't help myself.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What Bullshit are you talkin about? You deny the recount of how the crimes repubs (who you are silent on) perpetrated on us?

YOU embarrassed me? LOL. Please. In your fuckin dreams. On the street I fight for change, Here I challenge the partisan hacks who gloss over repub crimes and try to distract with weak meaningless attacks on unrelated dem actions.

Like you, Partisan plant.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

You're the partisan hack - go join a "democrats R' us" forum.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

We're all partisan here. Even you.

Back on topic.

Here's another way libe(R)tarians are wrong.

They spend a lot of time being wrong though, because they are hacks, one and all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101790231

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Fuck you. You can't chase me away. I'm here to stay. As long as you right wing protecting troll motherfuckers are posting here I will challenge you with the truth.

I support replacing all conservative (of both parties) w/ real progressives.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

How are all your rental houses?

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

kag rents out yurts. he will now have to go and look up what that is.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

None of your business. How is the right wing lobbying business.?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

We should remind this poster that he created users to up-vote himself, and the admin of this site busted him for it.

Look up NPD sufferers, and you'll see exactly the kind of person you're dealing with here.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I think you hit the nail on the head, Builder.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Maybe you could take one and create an office for Occupy?

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Occupy is doin just fine despite your best sorry efforts.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"Fuck you. You can't chase me away. I'm here to stay. As long as you right wing protecting troll motherfuckers are posting here I will challenge you with the truth.

I support replacing all conservative (of both parties) w/ real progressives."

Testy language for someone who always says stuff like "no need for intense language - if your points can't speak for themselves don't get upset and start name calling."

Just another example of your hypocrisy and snake-like BS that you poison this forum with.

You support continuing the same BS that's been around for the last 100 years as long as your boy is in office.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"boy"? Is that some racial slur?

"points speak for themselves"? I never said that. The points are meaningless, only foolish shallow people care about the points.

Like you.

I support replacing all conservative (of both parties) w/ real progressives.

You support the right wing which is why you are always silent on their crimes, & always try to distract to unrelated dem actions when repub crimes come up.

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

We've gone through this before - no, i'm not a racist. Isn't that a Fox news tactic? Demogogue the situation when someone is winning an argument and try to turn it back on them?

I don't support the right wing....if i did i would have voted for Romney. I was also very vocal during the Bush admin - too bad this site wasn't around then....me and you might have been best friends.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't come here make friends. This ain't no fuckin social network site. I come here to challenge the enemies of the 99%.

You gloss over right wing conservative crimes against the 99% you are serveing them and I will challenge you with the truth. You don't wanna hear from me? Great! keep the pro repub partisanshit outta your comments.

Or don't and be ready to be challenged.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

you have used the phrase" your boy bush" , your boy romney' ,.........got that boy?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You comments keep being removed. Are you being bad?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But Bush and Romney aren't black so your retort is ignorant & meaningless.

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

YOU use "boy" quite often when referring to bush or romney. are you a racist?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Not that I know of. Bush & Romney aren't black of course so your question is ignorant and ridiculous.

Right?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

WRITE CONGRESS:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasable approach. It will not solve all gun problems, but it will reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

1
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

if you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each
a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws
being forced to know the law - via the test - means the police know who you are -
and you may be less likely to commit a crime

2
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
you must prove your car insurance
annual back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns
every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock

3
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

you are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours
the owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief

4
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it

peripherally-

Gun fees should be high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time - especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & real collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns.

The nra fighting against this - will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that a gun owner
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

I am fundamentally NOT opposed to confiscation, but we WILL get higher compliance
and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback. Take a position of reducing guns,
like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.


Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned / 2.97 homicides
Per 100,000: England…: 6,200 guns owned / 0.07 homicides
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned / 0.14 homicides
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned / 0.51 homicides
Per 100,000: France…..: 31,000 guns owned / 0.06 homicides
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned / 0.08 homicides
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned / 0.90 homicides


Clearly the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted. There has not been an incident in Australia since then. Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You missed RW derangement and paranoia!

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say: "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." ... and we kill those people.

Ha ha, "Shut him up. We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as ONE.

Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RQmnSJoRg

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

" this is happening - and there is a reason for it."

Yes there is..................FEAR.

Idiotic, fear.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Fear does sell in politics, no doubt. Its the only way they maintain the same players at the top no matter what. Fear of the other.

As far as collapse fear, do you think we are in a currency collapse?

And if so, do you think we may go down the same road as every other currency collapse- massive monetary disruption which leads to a crime spike?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It sells everywhere, all the time.

It sells particularly well to gun fetishists.

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Well the people I spoke with were "very well educated" and I didn't detect any "idiotic fear in them. However there is concern about our government and concerns about just how much freedom they think they can take away from people -'

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

"Fanaticism and Ignorance are Forever Busy and Need Feeding" -
Clarence Darrow Inherit The Wind (1960)


updated:
"Fanaticism and Ignorance and the nra are Forever Busy and Need Feeding -
and the fanatics and the ignorant are Forever Busy and Feed the nra."

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They're like puppets on strings.

FEAR sells.

How about we demand that guns be made like all our other products, with short shelf lives and a short predetermined mean time to failure.

I don't see the gun nutters coming up with anything viable at all.....

This one makes 3 for me...............:)

[-] -1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Right - there is nothing to fear - Maybe you should watch Les Misearbles - now in theatres.

More people are awake than the "Lame STREET Media" will admit!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

FEAR sells.

You do understand that?

In some ways it sells better than sex.

BTW Death sells at a close third place.

Add a certain level of gun fetishism (sex) and what have you got?

An easily manipulated, cross demographic, marketing dream.

Did they bother to tell you that little bit of irrefutable fact on your so called "non-lame STREET" media?

I doubt it.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

if you had a youtube channel that had hot chicks shooting guns and blowing shit up you would be rich from ads.

[-] 0 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Death by government — has actually killed so many more people than legal gun owners could ever possibly conceive of. Nearly 300 million people were killed by their governments in the 20th century alone. Governments were able to do so primarily when when their people were disarmed.

The Second Amendment is absolutely necessary. We need to be able to protect ourselves from the greatest cause of unnatural death in human history: government.

The death toll is so big, the horrifying devastation is hard to fathom. The list of serial killing governments goes on and on. For more statistics on governments murdering their citizenry, visit the University of Hawaii’s democide webpage.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

What did many of these slain people have in common? They were disarmed. In many cases, bans on firearm possession left the majority of guns in the hands of a state who then turned its weapons against its own people.

Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao all banned private gun ownership. As the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) points out, “When the civilians are defenseless and their government goes bad . . . . thousands and millions of innocents die.” JPFO has made two videos underscoring the gun control agenda targeting vulnerable groups, then enslaving and murdering them following disarmament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-qOUmCrIU&feature=share&list=PL62BDB02F46EFE07B

How many of those people probably thought to themselves it would never happen there or to them and their families? But it did.

[-] -2 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

what is coming down the road is the government trying to grasp more control from the individual. The government either thinks that we are all nuts and can't have any freedom because we might hurt ourselves or because they need to continue the trend of helpless individuals that will keep them in power.
The second view is my prevaling theory. Why not do everything in our power to empower these individuals with skills, confidence, and ability?

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

Good for you shayneh. the 2nd amendment assures each citizen that they have the tools necessary to defend their life, family and property from aggression, whether from and individual or the govt.

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

This is happening across the country. People are fed up with what's going on in this country and feel their freedom will be threatened.

They just don't trust the government - and they don't trust what may come out of the Connecticut shootings.

You know what's interesting - 500 people were murderered in Chicago last year. There are approximately 200 million guns in the hands of private citizens.

It has been reported that all the school killings were commited by kids on some type of medicine to control their behaviour.

So it seems to me we have a "violent society" problem.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

No a few crazies got out of their FEMA camp and found computers, I'd say the library!

Do you nuts have your Rush Beck decoder rings???

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

We have a govt problem. The Bill of Rights was written to protect the citizens from the govt, the current administration deems the Bill of Rights as an impediment to complete control over the populace

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

We have a WallStreet problem.

It's a very BIG WallStreet problem.

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

You know I was just thinkig - I'll be willing to bet that those who are against "firearms ownership" are people who live in major cities, don't have the same freedom to own a gun as those in other parts of the country. That's what their problem is.

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

Yes, and they think that the police will be there for them . When seconds count the police are just minutes away,...........if they ever show up.