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Forum Post: The Liar’s Master Class -- Is Romney a pathological liar?

Posted 7 years ago on Oct. 16, 2012, 9 p.m. EST by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY
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"Mitt Romney might be the most brazen political liar since James Polk. Polk, who was the 11th U.S. president (1845-1849), . . . Polk had the same audacious, “lying is part of what I do,” disposition as does our current Republican candidate. . . .

Is it Pathological?

Romney’s lying is so pervasive, so ever-present, that one starts to wonder if it is pathological.

There is a mental illness characterized by habitual lying. It goes by the name of Pseudologia Fantastica. Here are some of the characteristics of this ailment:

a. The lies told “are not entirely improbable” and “upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly.” In other words, the liar is aware that he or she is lying.

b. The lies told cast the teller in a favorable light.

c. The tendency to lie is a long-lasting one and not the product of the moment. It reflects an innate trait of the personality.

Well, Romney fits this pattern when it comes to the first two traits. It is hard to tell about the third. We will have to await the in-depth biographies that are certain to hit the market in short order. However, there is no doubt that the man has an easy facility for lying. One doubts if it keeps him up at night."




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[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

He'll contaminate the plebes' water. What are we, compared to profits? Of course he will.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

It is not disgusting that this liar is where he is
It is disgusting that so many Americans believe this crap !

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

He just spewed his tax lies.

We will cut taxes by 20% and pay for it by eliminating deduction. but we won't say which. It's a secret plan.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 7 years ago

secret plan - like dick's plan to end the Vietnam war

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Secret tax plan! Secret plan to pay for $2T in defense budget, secret plan to create jobs.

He is a joke!

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

I think Obama is doing what he should have done last time.
I loved his first answer about jobs and how he pivotted to
romney wanted GM to go bankrupt
we need to tax the top 2%
we must take the money we save on no war and put it into infrastructure spending

a few minuets later he stated that "mr. romney was not telling the truth"

Candy is doing a great job

O: romney would not answer about lilly leadbetter bill

I hope Obama brings up Sensata & Bain & abortion

O: romney wants employers to decide on women's medical decisions R: that is not sccurate - every woman should have access to w hatever birth control she wants O: gov - not true

QUESTION: mr r: what is the difference between you and gwb r: I will balance the budget & champion small business

O: r=tax cuts like gwb; romney says he will get tough on China but you are moving jobs and investing in China
gwb embraced imigration reform,
gwm never wanted to end $ for planned parenthood

O: promises kept: gm, wall st reform, binladen, education, middle class tax cuts, small business tax cuts

O: Rs signed no tax pledge, will repeal Obamacare

R: Obama promised a plan to reform Medicare & SS because they are going bankrupt. O doubled the deficit. Obamacre will raise a family health care by $2500. Dodd Frank is bad. Reagan created more jobs

Q: immigration policy ? R: O did not even try to fix this O: I did try - I worked with D & R and R would not budge

R: O went on an apology tour >>>>>>>>>>>>> LIE

Q: what will you do about outsourcing R: I dont want trickle down government [!!!!!!!!]
China manipulates currency for their benefit
lower corporate tax rates
cut regulations ( Obama quadrupled regulations )
O: close outsourcing loopholes; tax offshore profits
I have increased exports TO China


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

And tell any reporters to not argue with the candidate.

Google NPD. It's more likely he suffers from that common mental disorder.

[-] 6 points by Renneye (3874) 7 years ago

NPD: Narcissistic personality disorder, is a personality disorder[1] in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent (1%) of the population. [how fitting!!]


Symptoms of this disorder include[1]:

~Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation

~Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals

~Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents

~Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance

~Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others

~Becoming jealous easily

~Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others

~Being obsessed with oneself

~Pursuing mainly selfish goals

~Trouble keeping healthy relationships

~Becoming easily hurt and rejected

~Setting goals that are unrealistic

~Wanting "the best" of everything

~Appearing unemotional


[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

One thing they missed in the list;

NPD's lie so effectively to themselves, that they believe their own lies.

Their grip on reality, as a result, is slim, to say the least.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 7 years ago

we need an NPD president!
remember Haynsworth & Carswell ?
mediocrity must be represented!

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

There will be two of them on stage tonight.

And two alternatives on democracy now at the same time.

The choice is yours.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

I've dealt with NPD sufferers in the workplace.

I see the traits quite quickly in others, having done the hard yards researching what makes them tick.

Thanks for the list Renneye. Easier when you know the enemy better than they know themselves.

[-] -1 points by MikeMcKeel (-109) 7 years ago

That's crazy, but what about CPDS? (Conspiracy Theory Delusion Syndrome). It mostly infects the uneducated and illogical.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

You must be one of the elite puppetmasters.

[-] -2 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

lookup the dunning kreuger effect,.......................thats obama.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

What you are saying is, he fooled Columbia Uni, and Harvard, as well as the Harvard Law Review?

[quote]Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, running unsuccessfully for the United States House of Representatives in 2000.[unquote]


[-] -3 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

he spent millions to have his records sealed. no one knows how he did in school and who paid for his tuition. he gave up his law license as did michelle. he didnt teach constitutional law, he ws a visiting instructor. as president of the law review he had nothing published.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

The only mention of your claim that I could find was from Floyd Brown's biased website. Floyd's greatest "achievement" was citizens united, which we all know now to be nothing to do with citizens, and everything to do with corporate takeover of the US government.


From 1988 until 2006, Floyd was the founding chairman of Citizens United. The organization, under his leadership, was the largest conservative citizen advocacy group in America. They launched the movement that lead to the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

Aaaaah Haha ha ha. Still reaching.

Pathetic, Please stop. You too funny.


[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Can you read? Do you bother to?

Alva said "he gave up his law license as did michelle". She did NOT say that they were ordered to "surrender" them nor did she say anything about ethics charges.

READ the link. Both of them changed their status, voluntarily, as is required by law for lawyers who are not legally practicing at the moment.


[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 7 years ago

I haven't said anything different. You have lost all sense of sanity.

Ranting at the wind.Take a breath, take a rest.

I ain't concerned with these desperate attempts at maligning this great President and his wonderful wife.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

Q: Did Barack and Michelle Obama “surrender” their law licenses to avoid ethics charges?

A: No. A court official confirms that no public disciplinary proceeding has ever been brought against either of them, contrary to a false Internet rumor. By voluntarily inactivating their licenses, they avoid a requirement to take continuing education classes and pay hundreds of dollars in annual fees. Both could practice law again if they chose to do so.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Where did Alva say that they "surrendered their law licenses to avoid ethics charges"???????

I'll wait. You accused her of saying something she did not say and then argued against it. Nice straw man Einstein.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

So your first link confirms honesty, and your second link denies it?

Are you for or against?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

You said that the "only mention of [Alva's] claim" that you could find was from Floyd Brown's website. I just gave you two more from a simple google search.

The first link shows that both Obamas DID give up their law licenses and that Obama was a Senior Lecturer-technically not a constitutional law professor. The University issued a statement regarding it that deems him to have been "considered a professor".

The second link is to a statement made by a longtime professor of Law at University of Chicago's Law School who states a different story than the University's statement implies.

[-] -2 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

keep searching do search on the sodahead site..

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

I've found what I was looking for.

If there was any truth in the claims, whatsoever, he would no longer be prez.

[-] -3 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

really? the so called freepress aided and abetted obama, there was no investigative reporting, and there isnt any.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 7 years ago

sure there is investigative reporting >
fox proved Obama is a Muslim Kenyan


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

Can you link to evidence of that?

His detractors would be all over that information if, in fact, it has a basis in reality.

[-] -1 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

do you own search,................jst type in the words,......................did obama and michelle surrender their law licenses.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

See above. Your bias is showing.

Do you support citizens united? Are you Floyd Brown?


[-] 0 points by alva (-442) 7 years ago

keep doing a search. do on on the sodahead site.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Was there a picture of Underdog in that article? :) Or Obama?

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 7 years ago

I don't know if he lies more than others but he sure is a pushy bugger.

[-] 0 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 7 years ago

Too pushy for POTUS? Do you consider that a good or bad thing?

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 7 years ago

I just heard that he has ROMNESIA! That explains it all... LOL !

[-] -1 points by Skippy2 (485) 7 years ago

Rmoney lies almost as well as Obama,almost.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 7 years ago

I believe he is just following the norm....of being a liar that is.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

So...in the past week, if there actually IS one rational, intelligent, liberally minded OWS supporter here, they didn't bother to actually do any research to verify the good "professor's" comments at all? Wow.

They just let the group gulp down the kool aid that tastes the best to them like the good little zombies they are, and then encourage them to proceed to point fingers and cast allegations of "blind sheep" this and "brainwashed" that on everyone else.

Truly open minded people can do a background search on Dr Davidson and his various opinions (including his ICH article on Liberals and their situational ethics-which is JUST as credible and quotable as this one on Romney) and decide for themselves.

I personally found it odd that he had to ignore certain words that Romney used altogether, and impose his personal assumptions on others in order to make his case about Romney being a "brazen political liar". Maybe Romney will be kind and save Dr Davidson a chair in that 8th circle in hell!

[-] 4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

What are you talking about? Who cares who wrote the article, anyone with eyes and ears witnesses Romney lying. Most politicians are quite good at that, but Romney is in a whole other league. The question is whether he is a mentally ill or even congenital pathological liar.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

That you claim that anyone with eyes and ears can "see and hear" Romney's lies but were forced to rely on Dr Davidson's article to illuminate them for you (an article in which HE lies-but you are oblivious to it yourself) is HILARIOUS.

Almost as funny as your seeming blindness to the lies and spin of Obama and his minions-which are obvious to anyone with eyes and ears as well. Either way, you are most likely completely unqualified to even GUESS about anyone else's mental health or pathology. But by all means-keep pretending to know stuff you can't possibly know. It's very revealing.

[-] 3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

You are stupid and rarely have anything interesting to say. There's no reason to keep responding to you. Have a nice day.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 7 years ago


[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Problem solved. :)

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 7 years ago

Taking you off my 'ignore list', I've figured you out. From your thinking patterns, from what makes sense to you, from what bothers you, I now realize that you are likely a psychopath.

Please keep illustrating your disorder. Thanks.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

You have access to my "thinking patterns"? Really? Are you claiming to be a MIND READER??? Or that you have ESP? Oh please, PLEASE, tell us all how you know anything about me outside of the comments I've made here. Otherwise, you're just still pretending to know stuff you can't possibly know.

The only one illustrating an ongoing disorder here is you.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

LOL. it's that easy??

Romney isn't just a liar. He's a classist and a draft dodger.

He's used religion to avoid his civic duty, and he's also abused his postition of power to intimidate and control those around him.

I'd call him a prime example of the cancer that is destroying America from within. Say what you like about where I am posting from. It makes no difference.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Did you serve your nation's military during the war? Do tell.

Romney is no worse than Bill Clinton or Joe Biden, who also had deferments. Romney drew a lottery number when he WAS eligible to enlist, but was never called up. Want to go rounds on all of the people who used "conscientious objection" to avoid going to war?

Exactly where and when has Romney "abused his position of power" to "intimidate and control those around him?" Provide detailed PROOF please.

The cancer that destroys from within is the emotional and social warfare that people like YOU are trying to spawn in this country while they sit safely and smugly in their homes somewhere else. Why do you hate America and Americans so much?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

There's been no war that necessitated the draft being re-instated in my lifetime. Every war since the last global conflict has been a farcical construct of the oligarch's march towards a global economy under their control.

Ahhh, you've edited your post? Romney's only claim to fame is predatory capitalism. He takes a perfectly good company, sucks the life blood out of it, and moves on. He likes the thought of crony capitalism now, so he wants to be the father figure of the biggest mafiosa in the developed world.

The cancer that is destroying your nation from within is moving around the globe, doing exactly what it is doing in America; channelling wealth into fewer and fewer hands, and leaving the rest to their own devices.

I did give you some credibility for intelligent thought. What was I thinking?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 7 years ago

Well it's not like Australians are known for their willingness to venture over seas to protect and defend others is it?

In fact, Australia's citizens got quite involved in OBJECTING to any of their young men being sent ANYWHERE for wars- "About 63,735 National Servicemen served in the military from 1964–1972. Of that number, 19,450 'Nashos' served in Vietnam, all with the Army."

1/3. Nice. Your hissy fit about Romney is false and tiresome. At least he showed up and drew his number. Your arguments are based on nothing.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 7 years ago

You avoid the gist of every post you pretend to respond to.

The only admirable thing about you, Betsy, is that you stick to your views like tarzan's grip.

Your attitude to the only southern-hemisphere ally that "stayed the course" in the illegal invasion of Iraq is both mis-informed and clearly biased.

[quote] A two-star Australian general will be placed high in the military command in Iraq in a move that signals the Federal Government's intention to keep the military there until at least next year.

The appointment of Major-General Jim Molan came as the war of words continued over Labor's policy to withdraw troops from Iraq by Christmas, with both sides of politics accusing each other of endangering Australians serving in Iraq.

General Molan will take up his position late this month and will be responsible for planning missions to find and destroy terrorists cells, organising patrols and providing protection for civilians.

As deputy for operations in the multinational force headquarters that will be established soon, he will answer to General John Abizaid, the US commander.

The Prime Minister, John Howard, said General Molan's appointment demonstrated the high regard in which Australian forces were held by allies and the Government's commitment to remain an "active partner" in Iraq.[unquote]


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Hence his missionary in FRance. What a joke.

You realize Vietnam was based on a lie? You dumb fucks just love sending people to their death over lies dont you?

[-] -2 points by WeThePeop (-259) 7 years ago

Is Romney a pathological liar????? Not as bad as the village idiot

[-] -3 points by yobstreet (-575) 7 years ago

I don't think Obama was wholly truthful on anything stated tonight.