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Forum Post: The Iceman Cometh

Posted 6 years ago on March 7, 2012, 1:28 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (8719)
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There has been a lot of talk over the decades about threats to national security, but I must say that the greatest threat I see to national security is the mental inflexibilty and absolute unwillingness to compromise on the part of the American right-wing. "The Iceman Cometh."

This intransigance has frozen the process of government to the point that even a number of Republicans have resigned in protest from Congress, and yet even this has had no effect on the Republican stonewalling of democracy.

It is the culmination of years of this campaign to disable democracy that has finally taken us to the streets in protest.

There can be no misunderstanding about the implications of this blocking of all legislation. The oligarchy, who are the pupet masters of the Republican Party are tired of democracy, and by rendering it dysfunctional they would instigate it's overthrow. No one who reads history could possibly deny that it has been the Republican party that has primarily spearheaded this aim. They are tired of the interference of the common citizens in their quest for hegemony, and democracy is, and has always been, the tie that binds this nation of diverse immigrant peoples together. Without that tie, without that single shared belief in liberty to hold us together, we will fragment into a nation of slavery and violence.

But on a deeper, and a more personal level, this intransigence is based upon fear of change, and an unwillingness to accept that change is inevitable, and can bring positive results as well as challenging ones. It is this lack of ability to recognize those who condem us to a resistance of the inevitable process of change that will break us, because change is indeed an inevitable tide, and as a nation as we must realise that it will never end.

So the choice is ours, we can either embrace the future and have our say in that process, or simply be left behind; our voices drowned by the crashing sea of tyranny. We must either embrace the possibilities, and the thrill of the creating a new future together, or lose all. It is up to us.

And that is why I plead for our honest opposition to be heard. We are not against conservatives, but simply tired of being harassed by instigators.

Somehow, some way, we need to get a genuine dialogue going here, concerning the fate of our nation. So please, if you are a genuine conservative, or liberatarian, join this debate in a polite and constructive manner. Let us know of your genuine intentions at the outset, so you will be seen for who you are, and contain expressions of bigotry and hatred to clearly separate youselves from those who are merely here to kill freedom of speech. We are one nation, we are one people. Let's free ourselves from preconceptions, and engage in a talk about how to go about saving our nation, and our world.



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[-] 4 points by factsrfun (8331) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I am no 1.7 million dollar historian, but I believe that at other times in history, one of the main political parties have become trapped in ideas which cannot be rectified with reality. When this occurs they dwindle and another party comes up. I don’t see how the GOP brings itself back from where it’s gone, they depend on the vilest sort of human feelings, they have been cultivating this for decades, I remember my cousin with flyers about how the dems were going to take the churches off the air, back in the 1980’s , and she was really worried. This was never true but it built their army of fear, now that army will eat them, they can’t get elected without it.

But take heart, this has happened before, we won’t become a one party country.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Personally, I am optimistic about how things are shaping up right now. There really is an awakening on both the right and left to the way our government has been usurped by a plutocratic oligarchy, and once this really sinks in these people are finished. It will all be over for them but whistling nervously in the chow line at Sing Sing.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8331) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

It is possible that small media will beat big media, I am concerned about how tech may make it possible for money to have even more control, but the dam of knowlege is breaking and they can't keep their figures in all the holes that light is shing through

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

True! That is why I advise no one to listen to anyone who would limit the scope of our activity. The issue, as you said it so well, is whether they can keep their fingers in all the holes in the dikes. The more they can convince us to limit the scope of out activity, the more able they will be to contain it. It's really that simple.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8331) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Gypsy this is something I said to odin a sec ago sort of fits here too. talking about the minimun wage

I got two things to do now, scan through my Bill O’Reilly’s to see if anybody still wants to boycott his advertisers, and write these letters, four 2 s, 1 r and 1 President, I'm making mine short cause I know they are not going to use it to write the law, some say living wage, some say minimum wage, wouldn't it be great if they were having that debate, should we raise it 10 and index it to CPI, or should we pass a living wage? That would be so much better to hear them talking about as opposed to if the state should make your doctor insert stuff.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Damn right.

[-] -3 points by onetime (-67) 6 years ago

In other related news!!!! Government records highest-ever monthly deficit in February. Thanks Obama you useless POS

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8331) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

Don't forget the Bush tax cut without that we wouldn't even have a debt, let alone a deficit!

[-] -2 points by onetime (-67) 6 years ago

Yes we have to continue to blame Bush, even after about four years

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8331) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

As long as one year follows another, we must live with our mistakes.

[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 6 years ago

"The good that men do is oft interred with their bones. The evil lives long after them,"


[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 6 years ago

I really don't see any way for OWS and the Liberatarian right to come together? The Liberatarian right is simply too naive to understand who their real enemies are. Their impulses are correct, but they are too unsophisticated to see through the layers of propoganda and complexity to the plutocracy that has corrupted government, and instead see government itself as the problem.

It's sad, because otherwise they could be great allies.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

What a wonderful post, GK.

[-] -1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Thanks, GF. People wonder why we bother with trolls, but I've seen the way the bastards go after you here. Every so often we need to clean this forum up. And thanks for the compliment on this post. My hope is that there is a chance of engaging a broad cross-section of Americans in this debate, which is it seems what they are mostly trying to stop from happeneing.

[-] 0 points by mantis1 (28) 6 years ago

Why. You don't reply when anyone challenges your orthodoxy. I don't think you really want a cross section. You want one goose-stepping movement.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

I disagree- the Rs are obeying the people who pay them

koch bronthers The secretive oil billionaires the Koch brothers are close to launching a nationwide database connecting millions of Americans who share their anti-government and libertarian views, a move that will further enhance the tycoons' political influence and that could prove significant in next year's presidential election.
The database will give concrete form to the vast network of alliances that David and Charles Koch have cultivated over the past 20 years on the right of US politics. The brothers, whose personal wealth has been put at $25bn each, were a major force behind the creation of the tea party movement and enjoy close ties to leading conservative politicians, financiers, business people, media figures and US supreme court judges.
The voter file was set up by the Kochs 18 months ago with $2.5m of their seed money, and is being developed by a hand-picked team of the brothers' advisers.
In classic Koch style, the project is being conducted in great secrecy. Karl Crow, a Washington-based lawyer and Koch adviser who is leading the development, did not respond to requests for comment. Nor did media representatives for Koch Industries, the brothers' global energy company based in Wichita, Kansas.
The database will bring together information from a plethora of right-wing groups, tea party organisations and conservative-leaning thinktanks. Each one has valuable data on their membership – including personal email addresses and phone numbers, as well as more general information useful to political campaign strategists such as occupation, income bracket and so on.

By pooling the information, the hope is to create a data resource that is far more potent than the sum of its parts. Themis will in effect become an electoral roll of right-wing America, allowing the Koch brothers to further enhance their power base in a way that is sympathetic to, but wholly independent of, the Republican party.
"This will take time to fully realise, but it has the potential to become a very powerful tool in 2012 and beyond," said the new technology specialist.

"This increases the Koch brothers' reach. It will allow them to become even greater co-ordinators than they are already – with this resource they become a natural centre of gravity for conservatives," Hendler said.

Though Charles, 75, and his younger brother David, 71, are very rarely seen or heard in public, their political importance in the US is hard to exaggerate. They have been steadily investing their wealth in projects designed to drive the country ever more to the right – they have backed the tea parties, funded incubators of radical conservative ideology such as the Mercatus Center at the George Mason University and hosted twice-yearly gatherings of some of the richest and most powerful figures in the country.

"What makes them unique is that they are not just campaign contributors; they are a vast political network in their own right," said Mary Boyle of the watchdog group, Common Cause.

They are estimated so far to have given more than $100m to right-wing causes. Kert Davies of Greenpeace estimates that the sum includes $55m since 1997 funding climate change deniers.

Many of the causes backed by the brothers clearly chime with their own self-interests. To encourage the denial of global warming science is obviously advantageous to businessmen who have made their fortunes in drilling and piping of oil; low taxation suits billionaires wanting to cut their own tax contributions; a bonfire of state regulations over business and the environment would be beneficial to a multinational corporation like Koch Industries, which is the second largest private company in the US.

But the two men are also anti-government ideologues who believe in what they preach, an inheritance from their fiercely anti-communist father Fred, who was a founder of the radical right-wing John Birch Society. David Koch stood as vice-presidential candidate for the Libertarian party in 1980 on a platform of doing away with a host of public bodies including the Department of Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, the FBI, the CIA, social security, welfare, taxation and public schools.

Though the Kochs have already stamped their influence on the American right, their impact to date looks like small beer compared with their ambitious plans for 2012. According to Kenneth Vogel of Politico, the brothers intend to use their leverage among billionaire conservatives to pump more than $200m into the proceedings, focusing in particular on the presidential race.

Their potential to sway the electorate through the sheer scale of their spending has been greatly enhanced by Citizens United, last year's controversial ruling by the US supreme court that opened the floodgates to corporate donations in political campaigns. The ruling allows companies to throw unlimited sums to back their chosen candidates, without having to disclose their spending.

That makes 2012 the first Citizens United presidential election, and in turn offers rich pickings to the Koch brothers. They have already made clear their intentions. At their most recent billionaires' gathering in Vail, Colorado in June, Charles Koch described next year's presidential contest as "the mother of all wars". A tape of his private speech obtained by Mother Jones said the fight for the White House would be a battle "for the life or death of this country".

Exhorting the 300 guests in attendance to open their sizeable wallets and donate to the Koch election coffers, he went on: "It isn't just your money we need. We need you bringing in new partners, new people. We can't do it alone. We have to multiply ourselves."

Which is where Themis comes in. Karl Crow, the spearhead of the new database, was one of the speakers at the June 2010 Koch gathering in Aspen, Colorado, where he described his mission under the heading "Mobilising Citizens".

"Is there a chance to elect leaders who are more strongly committed to liberty and prosperity," he said, adding that he wanted to put forward a "strategic plan to educate voters on the importance of economic freedom".

At the same gathering, the kernel of the idea for Themis was unveiled as a "micro-targeting" initiative that would allow a more thorough understanding of the electorate. "How can we take advantage of this advanced technology?" the agenda asked.

By dint of the secrecy surrounding the project, it is not known which bodies have signed up for the database. But it is a reasonable guess that groups that are highly influential within the tea party movement such as Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks, as well as right-wing think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, will be among the participants. Between them, they have tentacles that extend to millions of voters.

Lee Fang, a blogger at the Center for American Progress, thinks the combination of the Kochs' capital and their new voter files could have an immense impact in 2012. "This will be the first major election where most of the data and the organising will be done outside the party nexus. The Kochs have the potential to outspend and out-perform the Republican party and even the successful Republican candidate."

AND ALEC ……spend ten minutes with each of these > American Legislative Exchange Council

.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID

And FYI – They are doing everything they can do to create
a new constitutional convention [Article V Convention]
that can propose virtually anything:
All schools – privatized
All medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity – privatized
No cap gains tax
No inheritance tax
Tell me – what else do you think an Article V could do?

..........................................................AND of course the GROVER pledge

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Thanks again, in order to unite we need to keep focused upon the obvious enemy, and not be led into a shell game. Things are very complicated, and in another way very clear.

[-] 1 points by PopsMauler (182) from Chicago, IL 6 years ago

Personally GypsyKing, I don't buy into our "two party" system at all. When it really counts the legislature and other branches do work together towards an agenda as a whole. The polarization of right-wing vs. left-wing, or Republican vs. Democrat is political theater at best. At worst, it's a simple divise tactic to keep us diveded and conquered.

Key legislation like the NDAA has still whizzed through Congress with ease. Where was Obama's supposed veto? What a nice New Year's present he gave us signing it into law! He has not been the man I voted for, and his administration is no better. I do completely deny that it is solely the Republicans who are responsible, considering that we had a Democratic majority in the House and Senate for Obama's first 2 years. 2 years is more than enough time to make some headway. Heck a day is too long for anyone who's down and out.

How about letting third party candidates back into televised debates for one? Reinstating the Glass-Steagall act? Reversing the Citizens United decision? I know that you know as well as any, the list of assaults on our liberty and also of those around the world goes on and on. I have no faith left in our government whatsoever. They don't care about recovery, just looting, pillaging, and total control.

How about taking a page out of FDR's playbook for starters. How about repaving and building roads? Expanding public transit, especially outside of major cities? Providing electricity to the 1%(irony) of the population that still doesn't have it? Even better, upgrading our telecommunications lines to fiber optic? We produce plenty here in Chicago, and given that our economy is producing more and more intellectual property & less tangible goods that is a worthwhile investment to make for the future. The simpler and immediately implementable initiatives that could create millions of jobs aren't being started.

So there's my mini-rant. I guess my main problem is my preception that so many people still believe in the system. I'm also tired of the misuse of "democracy". We are a republic. The world has never seen a true democracy.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

I am all for taking a page out of FDR's playbook and doing just exactly what you advise! I think FDR was the last man of the people to actually be able to control the political agenda. They coud institute such a public works project that would reach full employment for 1/10th the cost of the war in Iraq.

Please understand that I hate the modern 2 party/1 party system absolutely. But I must tell you that the Republican Party is truely scary to me, and the ONLY reason I have advocated voting Democrat is so that this movement can have the breathing room necessary to survive and come to fruition. If the republicans don't suffer a major defeat in the next election I think this vision we have of a government of the people will simply be crushed.

I think as soon as the next election is over, leftists, liberatarians, and true conservatives must unite against the vast concentrated wealth that threatens our mutual democratic heritage.

We wouldn't want to lose the opportunity to go on arguing with each other every Christmas, would we?

[-] 2 points by PopsMauler (182) from Chicago, IL 6 years ago

Hey, cool response GypsyKing! Yes the current batch of candidates for the Repubs and it's platform are pretty freaking scary as it is.

So I see I misunderstood you a fair bit then and we have a bit in common! It's more of a "take the lesser of two evils", while we work on a real solution? I'm down with that.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Thank you so much for understanding my merely tactical approach. My sentiments are for a MUCH MORE SWEEPING transformation than merely electing a new slew of Democrats!

[-] 0 points by DevilDog420 (133) from Saratoga Springs, NY 6 years ago

Cool bro Im all for government providing things we all need or use, power healthcare, public transport, communications etc. your right about government being the hookers of big business, and its really a one party system of rich people, The nobles killed the king but kept the crown....

[-] 1 points by DevilDog420 (133) from Saratoga Springs, NY 6 years ago

Its a complicated issue... you cant legislate ethics, politicians talk out of both sides of their faces and need donations to get elected, media, pop culture, free masons, big business... head into the hills, or into the heart of the city, and fight. Fight with your money, what you buy with it, fight with your voice say yes or no, open your eyes, teach your children at home, keep them separate, create things with your hands, and most importantly, volunteer some, its for the greater good, not for profit!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Wonderful! Thank you so much! There is so much confusion that often all we can do is that good work, and especially taking a real interest in the lives of our children. That is paramount!


[-] 0 points by mantis1 (28) 6 years ago

You really do think it's all the republicans fault? Don't you?The democrats are just helpless victims on the sidelines? Personally, I think both parties are to blame. But I know that will cut zero ice with you. And what about the liberals expressions of hatred and bigotry? or is that the republicans fault too?

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

How can one even respond to a comment embued with such a frozen and erronious point of view?

[-] -1 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

Enough with the meaningless political L A B E L S

The Democrats - including BushBama - answer to the same powers the Republicans do. Get real...


“Democrat”, “Republican”, The parties of the system; Puppets both, for sale their votes, No character or wisdom.

“Liberal”, “Conservative”, For change or status quo? Pick either one, the change is none, All charlatans and whores.

Far “Left” we place the Anarchists, Libertarians claim far “Right”; Yet both decry the government: False continuum brought to light.

For oil, “We” bomb their mud huts, Strip them bare, then offer “Aid”; And fake their retribution as Pretext – a false flag raised.

Unarmed hundred thousands killed By weapons of “Defense”, While rights are lost for “Freedom” sake - On profit, all depends.

With stroke of pen, the “Patriot” Act, And patriots’ gifts are taken; Then “Citizens United” leaves Our citizens forsaken.

We protest loss of liberties, Put “World Wide Web” to use; Cloudmark Authority censors us For “messaging abuse”.

They label us to finger-point, With labels, “They” deride us; Their labels keep us all at bay, For with labels, “They” divide us.

– IronBoltBruce


[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Please put forward a plan of action that is effective and that doesn't include our engaging in the existing two-party political process between now and November.

[-] 0 points by ironboltbruce (371) from Miami, FL 6 years ago

Many such plans are being developed and executed at this very moment. Find someone you trust that trusts you and lend a hand where you can.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Very good, but I still believe that we must not limit our efforts in any way, other than to renounce violence. Why should we? We are free citizens in a free democracy, unless we allow ourselves to be convinced otherwise:)

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

I agree you can not and will not avoid change. So let us all work together and make sure it is healthy and prosperous for all. When I say prosperous I do not just mean in income - but in quality of life all the way around.

We can get there - Together.

Lets make good changes.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Well Said!

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (331) 6 years ago

It will be up to the moderates or middle position voters to bring the extremes of both parties out of their respective fortresses. The middle has more power than they realize. The extremist of both parties, while believing they have power, can be isolated and will become fearful of being inconsequential.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Both parties have drifted too far to the right. They are about to get a wake-up call.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (331) 6 years ago

The democrats have drifted to the right? Not. How far left are you proposing with this wake up call. Most of america desires the middle ground and will not go in that direction. Besides, it would be extremely divisive, when we need more unity and compromise.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Neither party represents the middle-ground. We have one party which is center-right, a least, and another that is near to fascism. I don't think that spectrum represents average Americans at all, and, other then common ignorance, laziness and apathy, that is the reason half the country doesn't vote anymore.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (331) 6 years ago

So clarify what you believe is the actual middle ground? There are a lot of people the support each party that believe the other is too far from the middle. And the rest feel that they are somewhat between them ( which is supported by polling data) . But according to your statement, the majority of the population is too much to the right. People that are not voting are spread cross the spectrum, they are not wholly belonging to the left.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Corportism is not to the right or left, for the 500th time.

Its neither, its something completely different. The right doesnt want the gov in ANYTHING. Much less partnering with multinationals and picking winners and losers. The left CERTAINLY doesnt want the gov HELPIGN the corruption.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Corporatism is most DEFINATELY to the RIGHT.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

And where is Kleptocracy in this equation, if corporatism is to the right?

On a global scale, it is generally in the interests of corporations to support a conservative system of government, but not all of the corporations I can think of would be identified as being solely right-biased.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

I am saying corporatism is to the right because the basic motive for establishing corporations was to build a wall between business interests and their resposibility to their communities.

Given that the essential purpose of the corporate charter was to evade that responsibility, I see corporations as inherently right-wing, as their very reason for existence is simply a ruse for promoting the welfare of the few over that of the many.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

Thankyou. Your ability to espouse your belief system has taken a huge leap forward. I guess we are all getting lots of practise here lately.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

"We are all getting lots of practice here lately. . . . " You can say that again!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Corporations do NOT want a conservative gov. Big pharma loves medicare part D. Insurance loves Obamacare. Oil companies love their subsidies. Banking cartel loves bailouts.

None of these policies are what hte right is supposed to be. And only mediare part D, which the R passed, is really liberal.

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 6 years ago

But they also want no regulations and no minimum wages, so its a double-edged sword.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

They take the worst of each side, and pervert it.

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Excellent post.

Work for common cause.

Stand-up Speak-up Stand-up for your rights. - B. Marley

The mask has been torn off of the faces of corruption. They don't like it and they are acting out.

The movements against greed and corruption are making progress.

[-] -2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Yes, we ARE ALREADY making a lot of progress!!!

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Yes we are.

Hey stop by my Haters post.

It has the trolls all stirred-up.

[-] -2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Will do!

[-] 0 points by ThaRapist (-17) 6 years ago

Read up on my sexy talk with GirlFriday. She's hot when she's whining like a little bitch.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

I'm right here, sugar. You can talk to me directly.


[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

I will cut your dick off and feed it to you. Promise.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Looks like the level of convo has dove further off the cliff....

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

Imagine that, hchc shows up.

[-] 4 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

Imagine that, GirlEveryday is still here.... :)


[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago


[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

It's the same group of what? One or two? We knew this already.

[-] -2 points by ThaRapist (-17) 6 years ago

I hope you understand how self-important you're making yourself up to be right now, cuntykins. I have a personal fixation on you because you have to advertise the fact you have tits to be taken seriously on this forum. Woman up. You haven't said shit about OWS for the past few hours because you're worried about me.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

Right after you man up and say that your entire presence here has been to shred this forum.

[-] -3 points by ThaRapist (-17) 6 years ago

Nope, we're independents. We already know you've got GypsyKing and DKAToday as your handles, so you can cunt around all you want.

That's right. I just made it a verb.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 years ago

Tr@ashy : Is that cos you wore 'it' out as a 'noun' ?! ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 6 years ago

I have one handle. You see unlike you, it isn't necessary to have more than moniker.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

You sick fuck. Come and try to break into my house. You will not be welcome so expect some nasty shit if you try. Like I say I would love it for you to give me an excuse. You coward.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

you sick bastard. I hope some one finds you and says hello with a baseball bat.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Keep-on Keeping-on GK.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

See the way these trolls crashed the entire meaning of this thread and sunk it into hatred, name-calling, inuendo, and downright threats of rape and violence? Does anyone still question why we hate this?

I think moderation policies here need to change. It's one thing to allow freedom of expression; another entirely to put up with this shit!

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33673) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

The desperation of the greedy corrupt and their supporters is showing as the movements against them grow and show success. They will get very ugly.

Support each other.

We move forward - Together.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Yes, the key words are "support each other," whatever it takes!

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

You too, I love your work here, and the work of so many others who are truely dedicated to a progressive vision for humanity.