Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: The Hag Unvieled - again

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 7, 2016, 1:29 a.m. EST by Shule (2638)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

More corruption unvieled about Wall Street's (Larry Fink's) sweetheart in the emails recently released by the State Department:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43872.htm

And some people are still trying to push the Hag for Prez? What is wrong with Bearnie Sanders?

47 Comments

47 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

The RNC stage filled with terrified nutcases who want endless war, and the DNC stage leader is a proven war criminal.

What an absolute joke.

How do people tolerate this shit?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

I dislike paying all Bills respect. Are we all really to refrain from cutting the feminazi peacekeeper, Mx. Cheese? Or should we view the addition of cow vomit to suffocate the sexual predatory fermentation as a brave act in service of spousal duty? Eis Mädchen, way cool?

When will we see the Airbnb ad for the midnight skinnydipping party with cavorting goop and cheeses in the civil-war bedroom afterwards? I, grapes, being a generous P.A.T.R.I.O.T.ic Vinlander, can provide the red wine in remembrance of the messiahs, who are, who were, and who are yet to come.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The problem with Bernie - is - he is for working people not for the nauseatingly wealthy - it is why his life is in real danger if he gets the nomination over establishment HRC.

Love his speech about wallstreet = Wall Street Reform and Financial Policy | Bernie Sanders

The above speech confirms why Bernie's life is in danger from the current establishment.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

He's powerless when working from within the Dem structure, and he knows it. He's basically doing the Ron Paul routine, parading around with the establishment in hopes of raising some awareness, and rallying the base.

HoPo has The Hag ahead by 15% in Iowa, as do most. They have Bernie ahead by a few points in NH, as do most.

Hill-Rod will crush him in the next states.

Besides, the primaries are a joke. Its all about super delegate endorsements, and currently Hillary is CRUSHING HIM at 331 to 8.

Politicians are weak people, they want to go where the power is, which is clearly Hillary, being she's part of the Bush/Clinton scam.

Bernie is the best thing that has happened to the establishment this election. He's keeping everyone neatly in the system, easily manageable, no threat from outside forces.

By the time he gets kicked to the curb, it will be so late in the organizing circle, and supporters will be so discouraged, its basically bitch for a couple months and then pull the trigger for Hillary.

This is EXACTLY how it will go for you and Facts, and 90% of Bernie supporters.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

No. Disagree. Bernie putting out into the ether a basic war against billionaires and Wall Street is NOT the best thing to happen to the establishment. Him continuing to articulate better and louder the platform of Occupy Wall Street is NOT better for the establishment.

He is gaining in Iowa and if he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, where he is already winning, he can win the whole thing. He is already ahead of where Obama was in 2008. What would you prefer, some lefty on the outside at this point speaking the same truths but with no one listening?

And, get over it, we're not thinking about ourselves or whether we'll be considered right or wrong a year from now. I don't give a shit about being right or wrong. I care about making this country better and giving my children and everyone else's a future.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Iowa and NH are meaningless, as most primaries show. Its all about the delegates. The system is rigged. Bernie is in it.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Iowa is a virtual tie now: Clinton 48, Sanders, 45, from CBS Poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-clinton-sanders-in-virtual-tie-in-iowa-new-hampshire/

And Bernie is winning in New Hampshire. These early states do matter because Americans like winners and it will continue the momentum.

Of course I agree with you that delegates and superdelegates are some of the stupidest and least democratic things America has ever produced. And, if they choose a candidate that the American people did not choose, then bring on the bloody revolution, we all deserve it!

However, here is an article that outlines 10 reasons why delegates will choose Bernie over Hillary (of course, they should not have that power in the first place and our democracy is a travesty, I'll give you no argument there.)

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/10-reasons-delegates-will-choose-bernie-sanders-over-hillary-clinton

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Sorry turbo, "...the “supers” have never tilted the nomination; they always line up with the candidate who won the most delegates in the caucuses and primaries. That’s essentially what happened in 2008: Clinton had an early lead in superdelegates, but as Barack Obama started winning caucuses and primaries, he wound up picking up almost all the undecided supers and even some defectors from Clinton.

And the supers will go with the winner in 2016, too. It’s technically possible for Clinton to win the nomination by dominating the superdelegate count even if she (narrowly) loses every state: Thanks to strict proportional allocation on the Democratic side, a candidate only gains a small delegate advantage for a small edge in primary votes. Realistically, however, politicians and formal party leaders would never go against a clear decision by voters. If Clinton lost every state, she would lose her superdelegates, too."

From: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-28/clinton-s-superdelegate-tipping-point

And, be wary of PBS and NPR as they are both heavily funded by Koch. I am suspicious of anything they have to say. Evidently, superdelegates generally go with whoever they think has a chance to win in the general election. As it becomes more evident that Bernie has a better chance of winning against Republicans, they will move to him.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I went through all of this myself in 08, pretty heavily.

Here is one of the better articles I've found: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/11/delegates.explainer/

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Amazing how difficult it is to find a clear explanation of delegates and super-delegates. I tried to find some myself and while your link is okay, I admit, my eyes began to glaze over the more I read, lol. All we can know in our hearts is how wrong they are and how each American's vote should count and stand on it's own. I don't disagree with you at all about that issue and the risk is absolutely there for Sanders, though I think a messier revolution might be in the works if they try to screw with what the people want.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Do you really not know the turbo is just a greedy little piggy who loves the GOP because they give him tax cuts? He post here in the hope of electing more GOP it would not matter to him who the Dems nominate turbo wants the rich to be richer.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

Actually, I really like turbo and I don't think he's for the GOP at all. Just because someone doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't make them a maniac and unworthy of having a conversation with.

[-] 3 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

What I see as being different now is that our movement has matured, and we are far more likely to overlook the differences that many of us have on how we should move forward. By recognizing this, and conducting our discourse in a more civil manner, we have begun to practice what we preach. One thing is clear though and that is our need to have a sea change.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22772) 1 year ago

I agree with you about needing a sea change. As you know I've been saying, we need a complete overhaul to our ethos. I'm feeling hopeful that it may actually happen sooner than we ever thought it could.

Think back to the early days of Occupy and the things we were saying and how radical they seemed. Now, it's everyday stuff. Everyone pretty much agrees with the major points that Occupy made. So, we suffered and struggled through and kept repeating ourselves and now those memes are known by just about every American. Knowledge first, then action. Time will tell....

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'm cool with anybody who wants to reduce wealth inequality and is willing to do something about it, but turbo wants to increase wealth inequality so I draw the line there....

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

Where are we (the Vinlanders) though? At the Panama Canal or the Suez Canal? And in which direction are we crossing it for the sea change? Which sea will we end up with on the other side? Caribbean Sea (fungus-infested dying-banana republicons), Pacific Ocean (peaceful pivot to Asia), Mediterranean Sea (all hemmed in by the reefs of the Roman Empire with nowhere to go except retreat to the Red Sea or to crawl under the crotch of Hercules to escape), or the Red Sea (bloody bloody mess [from patriots' and villains' blood] with no more white stripes for truth on the stars-spangled banner)?

[-] 0 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

Rather than creating a World of horrible inhumanity, why not use our incredible resources to do just the opposite. There is no reason for us to emulate the "Vinlanders." They made a remarkable transition. So should we.

[-] 0 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

The Vikings who lived in Vinland were starved to death, despite the Word. Those who lived in Scandinavia and Iceland found the Word and made the remarkable transition eventually. The discovery of oil in the North Sea did not spark a civil war in Norway but the same in Sudan was a whole different matter. Why? Due to the Word?

If we emulate the kryptonites, we may well follow the footsteps of the original Vinlanders, as victims with resources withheld after Black Hawk Down.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

machine labor will be more efficient in the future

most jobs we do now are frivolous

[-] 3 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

That's the crux of the matter - our jobs-based economic distribution model will rapidly become good-for-nothing and obsolete.

Imagine that the minimum wage has successfully been raised to fifty dollars per hour but there are no minimum wage jobs, nor ANY jobs, due to algorithmic automation. How can the obsolete human beings live without earnings from jobs?

However, there are human beings living without earnings from jobs such as the ones collecting dividends, interests, rents, royalties, clipping bond coupons, or having a trust fund. Jobs model is broken but trust fund model may work. Luddites were not really anti-machine - they were against the machines competing against them for livelihoods. One possibility is to tax machine production in the same way we tax human workers.

[-] 0 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

The reasons the Vikings left Vinland are numerous. If some Vikings "starved to death", it is far more likely they did so because of inhospitable natives who did not want to be subjugated. The discovery of oil in the North Sea, and in the Middle East and the subsequent history, and the way both were treated (or mistreated) are not comparable. I suspect that you already know that, though.

[-] 0 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit." - Matthew 12:33.

Oil+Norway = good fruit. Oil+Sudan = bad fruit. In Sudan, Arab Sharia+African Christians = civil wars = bad fruit. Apartheid of Islam and Christianity yields good fruit because Christendom+Umma = Crusades+Jihads = bad fruit.

If the Jews and Christians could agree to have both Saturdays and Sundays off to observe their different and separate sabbaths, and if Moslems join, we can have Fridays off, too. Then it will be a neat solution to the problem of the oversupply of labor due to algorithmic automation.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Lol thanks :)

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

turbo is a Ron Paul, Republican that would eliminate minimum wage, remove all government spending on education or health care if he could, if you like that sort of thing, cool.

[-] -1 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

My social environmentalism allows lots of acorns, chipmunks, squirrels, blue jays, and feral cats (coywolves are moving in, too - don't worry too much, for anthropocene is here). It is what checks and balance is about - a more resilient socio-ecosystem.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Still praying for a GOP win so you can get your tax cut turbo?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Bernie just hit 39% in a national poll, a new high, and he is gaining at a steady pace.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/01/08/fox-news-poll-national-presidential-race-obama-ratings/

shule and turbo have never wanted to reduce wealth inequality

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Wednesday's Powerball Lotto is $1.5 billion+ . Buy yourself a winning ticket and join the fun.

[-] -1 points by Viking (417) 1 year ago

If you win though, you should think twice before you invest in the market.

Newsletter: After The Crash... https://www.popularresistance.org/newsletter-after-the-crash/

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Really! I cashed out long ago.

But seriously, the market, actually all the world finance markets, have been tanking for the past year. I noticed the NYSE dive bombed big time again today. I'm afraid the Wall Street crazies are going to freak here sometime soon and do something really ugly. Unfortunately, I don't know what they'll do, as thier sicko minds have been doing some pretty awfull stuff already.

[-] 0 points by grapes (4989) 1 year ago

"Round up the unusual suspect!" 中国,你很酷。.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Damn - that must mean I did not win on Saturday - damn damn damn . . . . anyone got 2 bucks they can give me?

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

I'll give you 2 bucks after I win tonite.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

AWWWWWW MANNNNNN - buy me a ticket now and if I have any money left over from paying bills "if" I win - I promise I will pay you back at least two dollars. :)

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Well, now as of today I know that I will not be one of the 1% afterall, I can be more generous with my offer. I'll give you all the money I have in my pocket; errr thats nothing. Sorry.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I've got some lint in my pocket . . . . . is that a modern day commodity now?

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Wish it were. Then we'd be rich.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

A powerful and informed comment! However, I really have to hope that you are wrong - even IF you very probably are NOT!! Hopefully - as an Occupier of Long Standing ... you, yourself would agree with me!!!

I do think that it's incumbent on all OWS supporters .. to listen to Sanders. Voting of course is optional, just like agreeing but seeing for oneself what Bernie is saying is intellectually obligatory imo + consider:

I should also add btw, that if and when Bernie Sanders gets jacked by the DNC in April then irrespective of what he said he would or wouldn't do - he then HAS TO run as an Independent! The 99%'ll demand it!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

shadz I haven't given up on you I hope some day you will give up your pursuit of ego and join the millions that are acting to change the world and help us kill the GOP, only by killing the GOP will wealth inequality be reduced as long as even one of those bastards hold office everything is at risk

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

LOL! Now consider that your idea of ''pursuit of ego'' really just means not accepting YOUR HRC-lovin', DNC-copmpliant p-o-v!! IF you're not pushing to ''kill the GOP--Lite'' too - well then, you're just another parDisan hack but ... we have all seen off more than a few of those from these boards over the years!!!

I don't give a flying fuck about your DNC/Hitlary Rotten Clinton fixations - I am just interested in Bernie Sanders tbh - and so, in that light, perhaps try to still your racing mind and calmly try to consider this:

nosce te ipsum ..

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''What's wrong with Bernie Sanders?''! NOT as much as is correct & right about him!! Socialist, or NOT!!!

Finally you will need to click on your link to confirm it works. It didn't for me & I am a Big Time ICH Fan!

fiat lux ...

EDIT: Thanx for the fixed link.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

this should be called "The shill reveled" you are a tool of the 1%

[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

I only ask who here is promoting the 1%'s sweetheart?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

everyone that needs money to pay rent and eat

[-] 0 points by Shule (2638) 1 year ago

Voting for that witch will not get anybody that.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Interesting projection ... again! Do you think HRC is NOT ''a tool of the 1%''?!! Maybe you should now consider that YOU are ''The shill'', in your desperation to kiss Hitlary Rotten Clinton's ass, or worse!!!

fiat lux et temet nosce ...