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Forum Post: The Fourteenth Amendment

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 7, 2013, 8:13 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Despite what the Rs and faux noose claim, raising the debt ceiling spends no money at all. It tells the world that we will pay the bills PREVIOUSLY passed by congress.

President Obama should IMMEDIATELY invoke the 14th Amendment to hike the debt ceiling unilaterally to prevent a government default.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer & Nancy Pelosi agree. “It’s his power to do so,” Hoyer told MSNBC. “Very frankly, if it came down to his looking default in the eye or taking this action, as President Clinton said, better to take the action and find out later that perhaps he went beyond his authority but at least protected the credibility of the United States of America.”
“The Republicans, through their failure, have given you license to do whatever it takes to not let the American family go down into the abyss,” Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.), vice chairman of the House Democratic Caucus said.

The republiclans are looking forward to using the threat of a default and worldwide financial disaster to blackmail the President and the Senate into cutting Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. This WORKED in August 2011!
The Rs, after gerrymandering districts, suppressing the vote, cheating with voting machines and telling endless lies – still could not resume their wealth transfer from the 99% to the 1% using normal political power.
So their primary weapon is blackmail.

Many observers of the debt-limit debate have said the 14th Amendment which states that the

“the validity of the public debt … shall not be questioned”

empowers the president to raise the debt ceiling without ANY congressional input.



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[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 5 years ago

Two summers ago, politicians tried to concoct a deadline so terrible that even they - mistrustful, divided, weakly led - would be scared into doing something big to solve the nation's tax and spending problems.

They misjudged themselves.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/fiscal-cliff-deal-produced-by-a-messy-marathon-of-dealmaking-on-the-phone-20130103-2c6se.html#ixzz2H5fCy9TM

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Lets clamor for more centralized power. Like Libya.


Didnt Kucinich say that both parties are guilty of creating manufactured crisis to get what they want? Well, he's very on the inside, I think he would know.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

No he didn't say that but he did vote 90% w/ dems, and he was a member of the progressive caucus (that includes NO repubs)

Just FYI

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

You're the fuckin dufus. He didn't say both parties are guilty of anything.
So whatthe fuck are you talkin about? Didja think I wouldn't watch your video.


But we all know progressives (like Kucinich) ridiculed the repub created cliff drama, and supported goin over since progressives would get a better deal.

Repubs/conservatives needed to instill the fake fear in us in order to get a deal before all the tax increases kicked in.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

do you think otp voted for scott? or works for him?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

You mean the fla Gov? I wouldn't be surprised if he worked for him. OTP has said he is a marketing firm. And his freind trevor tried to push some right wing lobbying group document as non partisan. So I think they may be working together for that group. (along with richardkentgates)

Who knows, I try not to think about it to much since it is hard to really know.

I just engage them on the issues as they come. (they have so many names too)


[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

It was a repub created scheme to force a deal before all the tax increases kicked in.

Progressives did not mind goin over the "cliff"

You don't know what you are talkin about.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Kucinich is the man. Too bad repubs redistricted his ass out of office. I can't say I always agree with him all of the time but I do probably 90%

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

This may be our nation's biggest obstruction to progressive change.
The Rs brilliantly gerrymandered so that in the last election, Ds got more votes but they won more seats.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Exactly. I read where only 12 repub seats are not locks (as a result of their cheating gerrymandering).

So that is an enormous hurdle. But not entirely impossible. Have you heard of any court cases challenging these redistricying schemes?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

I think there was something in Texas - not sure

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I remember that but that was from the 2000 redistricting. There should be some efforts on the current shinaningans