Forum Post: *** (Anarchists turning towards Obama) - The Dems are the party of the poor and needy! ***
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 20, 2012, 12:16 p.m. EST by trollanalysis
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VQkag2, a "serious" OWS supporter claims that - The Dems are the party of the poor and needy!
Definitely, by far, one of the most hilarious quotes I have read in a long time! Here's the source:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-time-to-defend-our-voting-rights/#comment-810964
Outrageous and completely out of touch with reality!
OWS was sprung under Obama's regime because the Democrats were not doing what we wanted. OWS wanted change, it dreamt of a better world. Now, OWS supporters are embracing the status quo. Now, OWS supporters are saying that the democrats are the party of the poor and needy!
I ask you, why are we even here? The democrats are in office. They are the party for the poor and needy. There's no need for OWS anymore! Take this website down, the party that's best for us is already at the helm of the country.
LOL-what kind of a dope would think the Democratic Party Elites think about the problems of poor people when they can think instead about glamorous fundraising parties where they can meet MOVIE STARS and FAMOUS MUSICIANS.Both parties treat poor people,children,students and the elderly as throwaway pawns on their chessboard of fortune&folly-LOL-LOL-LOL
VQkag2 is a democrat puppet sent here to mess the minds of young OWS supporters. He comes up with funny quotes like that, this one being one of the funniest. If he could sleep in Obama's bed he would. If Obama was there with him, he wouldn't sleep at all, and if Obama wasn't there, he would get wet dreams after wet dreams simply thinking he was sleeping in his hero's bed.
What's hilarious and absolutely ironic is that he made many friends on this site. People who follow OWS since the beginning and who are fighting are against the current administration, Obama, every day in the street come here at night and agree with VQkag2's compliments towards the democrats. It's disgusting. I think the supporters are tired and can't think very well when they write on this forum.
Well,I normally get reprimanded for saying-DEMOCRATs&REPUBLICANS-TOGETHER FOREVER IN HELL-and I agree that the 2 parties are absolutely impossible to support.After thinking it over,I do agree with the #OWS idea that to vote,not to vote & who for is best left as a personal decision.Whichever one wins,it won't affect me.Take away my food stamps?OK-whatever.Take away my apartment?OK-whatever.Take away everything?OK-whatever.It doesn't matter anymore.I am an artist and I do paintings.They're good.Nobody is going to bother to take away my paint and brushes.I think I can still survive if I've got those.I don't have alot of hope because the American Middle Class volontarily surrendered the most advantageous position that any group of people has ever had in the history of the world.One of the posters here told me that his middle class employees adore mocking their local occupy movement.But there is this-to paraphrase Gandhi:'First they dismiss you,then they mock you,then they attack with violence-and then you win."
Agreed....but never thought I would be.... agreeing...that is... with anyone who was -161.. Shows you how times have changed.
Emerson...."Henry, what are you doing in there."
Thoreau.... "Waldo, the question is, what are you doing out there?"... ;-)
How come the people here that are in the negative terrotory seem to have a better grip on reality?
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vq is one of the " useful idiots" of ows, and be extension, the dems.
Anyone who thinks the dems are the party for the poor and needy is indeed an idiot.
there are a lot of idiots.
Unfortunately, Obama's campaign team has camped out in this forum for months.
I thought the point of OWS was to create a social movement not a political party. If OWS is going to produce change and not become just a fatalistic last cry of those who oppose theocratic plutocracy it will have to organize and create an agenda and realistic means of furthering that agenda and attaining it's goals. This means concrete actions like labor agitation and education and entrance into local politics by OWS activists themselves.
The problem with the politics of the Democratic Party is that it really isn't a party with a uniform agenda like the GOP. There is a conservative right wing (Joe Lieberman and Bill Clinton) and a leftist progressive-socialist wing (Bernie Sanders & Al Franken). There is also the racist misogynist Reagan Democrats (Archie Bunkerites) social conservative craft unionists and the plutocratic secular social darwinist Steve Jobs-Bill Gates.
they tend to talk about the middle class not the poor
the poor have went out of favor
I think the idea is to move them into the middle class
the "idea" seems to be working in reverse.
True that!
to claim that OWS supporters are just embracing the status quo is not correct.
some people do. But many do not.
VQ and others are Obama supporters.... who cares? They don't define OWS and neither do I and neither do you. Occupy is a movement of many different people throughout the country with different ideas.
Although I must say I am tired of seeing party propaganda on this site. I already see Obama and Romney ads all over my tv because billions of dollars are funding their campaigns. I don't really care to see it on an OWS forum.
There are better ways to discuss this issue. In my opinion.
Guess what? We all get freedom of speech/expression. Not just you and the people who agree with you! Believe it or not since there IS an election in 75 days some of us want to affect change to improve the lives of the 99%. We may believe there is corruption, & that the system is broken. But we refuse to give up and surrender our govt to right wing conservative 1% plutocrat tools.
There is NOTHING the people united can't accomplish. Our efforts are to keep the anti 99%, anti abortion, pro CU republicans from gaining any more power.
You only single out pro Obama people so I guess the pro Romney people are ok! I'd say that's pretty meaningful!
In any event voting for progressives does not prevent you from pursuing your goals. Unless your goal is to keep us from voting for dems. Our efforts to vote out republicans does not preclude yours or our efforts at creating the new system of real direct democracy. Unless your efforts are only to prevent dem votes.!
Instead of trying to stop dem voters perhaps you should push some positive action. Unless you have no other action besides stopping dem voters.
Just ignore the dem voters. Lets see you go after the repub voters just once. Just ONCE!
Romney supporters don't flood this forum. And when they do you should check the posts! Because I call them out on their party propaganda.
Also I just came out and defended you on this post and then you come in and accuse me again of supporting republicans? Get over yourself dude. Leave that ignorant argument to RPC. The topic of discussion was you and Obama hence why my comment was about that.
What is sad about politics this year is that conservatives have been fooled into believing that Romney/Ryan are fiscal conservatives and liberals into believing Obama is NOT a warmonger. Fun fact: Romney is a warmonger too and Obama is also not fiscally sound.
But feel free to continue your campaign for Obama on the OWS forum. You're going to keep doing it anyway. And I can still call it duopoly propaganda.
You defended me? Where? Not likely.
Please please please. Stop attacking people who want to vote. People have DIED for this right.
Do you have any plans besides stopping voters? Why don't you focus on something positive? There are so many important issues. You seem intelligent, have you no ideas/actions that we could agree on.
Suppressing the vote is so republican. You must know that. You could do so much good if you redirected your energize to something positive.
Peace.
VQ. You are wrong on this one. TM is correct. I may not agree with him always but at least he is fair and consistent in his posts. Calm down.
I'm calm just fine. You have not witnessed my exchanges with TM. His posts are NOT fair. War monger is a serious charge that applies to the conservatives and not to progressives. This Pres has done a great deal to undo the fear/war mongering republicans created and exploited after the 9/11 attacks to get their agenda passed. The dems have done nothing of the kind. To suggest that Dem behavior is the same as war mongering republicans is dishonest. So no! TM is NOT correct.! Sorry.
One does not have to be from a political party to be labeled a "war monger". Being something is binary, you either are or your not, one can not merely adjust the bar so it only fits one and not the other just to satisfy a belief. And unless your exchanges are in private, then yes, I have witnessed the conversations.
doubtful. Do you believe Pres Obama is a "war monger"? Do you believe the Dem party is a war mongering party?
Based on the threads, and by TM's definition below, then yes. That is how i was responding. But I do not believe that either political party are war mongers, but people within any party certainly can be. Do you have a different definition of a war monger?
The republican party believes that constant war is the best economic policy!
So they SELL war for this reason. Thus the War Monger label.
Dems have always been anti war in general. Look at the votes against any war legislation it usually Dem. The post 9/11 atmosphere makes it hard to see. But the evidence is there if you care to look.
We will have to disagree on your "constant war" point. While the republican party generally supports more military spending than the democrats, both parties ultimately are owners of the budget in a divided legislature. But we are digressing from the main topic of this post ( a post that is meant to just work up some froth).
War mongers, the democrats! No way! I agree with you. They are the party of the poor and needy. Viva el Obama!
What plans have I outlined that "stop voting" ?
How is focusing on ending the wars not positive?
Calling anti-war liberals republicans is moronic? You must know that.
Also I do vote. I have never voted republican. I voted Obama in 2008. I plan on voting third party this year. Because Obama lied about ending the wars and has broken international laws and has committed war crimes.
I do not support warmongers. I made a vow last year to never again vote for a candidate with violence as a foreign policy.
He did better than we should have expected in the face of the most massive evil force of resistance by the 1% plutocrat MIC throu the republicans.
You should consider the reality of what we anti war supporters (including Pres Obama) face.
No one gives up power easily. Certainly not the MIC 1% plutocrats. That we made the real progress we have made is amazing.
We need to recognize that real progress and support the Pres making that progress and challenging the war mongers.
There is NO excuse to still be in Afghanistan.
It's sad that someone can think a man who has bombed 6 countries since he's been in office is "anti-war"
Do you know what war is?
Why isn't Obama coming out and saying "Hey I want these wars to end but THEY won't let me?" If he said that then your argument might have some feasibility. But that hasn't happened.
We need to recognize that the wars should be OVER last year.
Free Bradley Manning!
that is all
also you should read the anti-war posts from the OWS forum
OWS opposes the wars - http://occupywallst.org/forum/portland-or-anti-war-action-tomorrow/
Is OWS just being republican when they post anti-war stuff? LOL stop joking yourself dude.
I thought you said 4 countries. Did we bomb 2 more in the last half hour?
Regardless we still reduced military killing from 1 million+ to thousands. Pres Obama is working towards ending all the military actions.
I know what war is. That's why I know Pres Obama has made real progress.
And criticism regarding our actions never include the party that created all these military problems. Your republicans never get any blame. In the end that silence is deafening! It betrays your anti dem partisanship.
So there you go we disagree still.
End the Drone assassinations, Free Manning, Repeal NDAA! I say it unashamedly knowing that this Pres is working towards those goals and only your republicans stand in the way.
We've bombed 5 countries in the last 12 months.
6 since Obama has been in office.
I said let me know when Obama bombs less than 4. I did not shift in facts... I just posed a scenario.
regardless your number of simply thousands is inaccurate. Also it's sad that you think thousands of murders are acceptable.
Obama could free Manning with a pardon and has not done so.
Obama literally signs off on all drone wars.
Obama could have vetoed the NDAA.
My republicans? LOL i have never voted republican. Repubs share the blame with Obama when it comes to the wars. Obama signed off on funding all of the wars under Bush while he was a senator. You should read into voting records. This president is continuing the Neocon war agenda started under Bush.
Keep thinking the wars are for peace. That's what Bush and Cheney would have wanted. War is not peace. War is war.
2010 was again the deadliest year for Afghan civilians in the U.S.-led war since the fall of the Taliban government in late 2001, as insecurity and volatility continued to spread to the northern, eastern, and western regions of Afghanistan - http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/10/world/la-fg-afghan-civilian-deaths-20110310
From 1million+ to thousands.
Ended 1 war, ending the other (can't do it sooner if wants to be re elected and continue this real progress of drawing down).
Started no new wars,
Stopped indef detentions,
Closed secret CIA prisons,
Stopped extraordinary rendition,
Ended torture,
Reclassified waterboarding as torture,
Tried to close gitmo republicans prevented.
Resisted all republican war mongering pressure to invade more countries.
Cut Military budget, And use of Mercenaries. Will cut more. repubs will never do that!
Thems the facts. Suck on it
Bombed 6 countries - FACt
hundreds of thousands injured and their cities destroyed. Just look at Sirte and tripoli
children murdered spawning hate in Yemen.
When the government gets you to believe that bombing countries is not war - You Have Gone Insane
there is no point in talking to you
You are making excuses for the Neocon war agenda that continues to this day.
It can't be war ifthe govt being bombed approve.
Libya cities were bombed by their brutal dictator Khadafi. We rescued the innocent people from that brutality.
Pres Obama is the best choice (between the 2 options we have) to end the "war on terror"
"some people do. But many do not." support Obama
So what are the implications, if any, if this turns into a pro Obama movement.
Can it be both? Will it set us back, help us, or kill this movement?
Why can't voting be seen as a stop gap measure?
Which party will give you the most leeway while you protest and decide the new system should be the cost--benefit analysis that you use to determine which direction you vote?
You are getting so caught up on the new system that you are forgetting that this system still plays by certain rules.
OK, but the 'rules' seem to have gotten worse over the last four years
Even so, i am not suggesting that we would be better off with Romney
Nor I am suggesting that people shouldn't vote
Turning this into a political movement does not seem helpful in the long run
I am just saying there is a time, and place for everything
Right now at this time and this place as with all other places - the cause should be to get corpoRATist's out of office and prevent corpoRATist's from gaining office. Protest alone will not do this. Protesting to educate the public and then controlling the polls is how we get rid of corpoRATist's.
Owning our political process is how we take back government and begin a journey down a peaceful and healthy and prosperous path for ALL.
The People United!!!!!
I disagree, not here
One-eye? Are you still running around trying to get OWS to be ineffective?
Take your do nothing crap somewhere else!!!
and thanks for the warm welcome dkatoday
Don't mention it always happy to see a poser. ( NOT )
I mean you do like to think of yourself as Odin (?) right? So what is wrong with using some of the Norse god's aliases = Stormcrow, one-eye, all father.
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that is no way to build community dk
No - that is why I say you should take your do nothing crap somewhere else.
lol, So if i am not shilling for the dems, it's "do nothing crap." Perhaps when you come to NY to pick up your award, you can see what this rev is about. lol Were you behind that faux thread?
Your the one talking about shilling for the dems and you are the one promoting that OWS do nothing more then protest in the streets. That sham post about being picked to go to NY? Nasty joke played on me - though I must admit I had to laugh at myself and my reaction.
HERE - Broaden your horizons:
OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the growing occupation movement happening on Wall Street and around the world. We're an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We're not a subcommittee of the NYCGA nor affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization.
Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally.
ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process,
and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to fight back against the richest 1% of people that are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.
The occupations around the world are being organized using a non-binding consensus based collective decision making tool known as a "people's assembly". To learn more about how to use this process to organize your local community to fight back against social injustice, please read this quick guide on group dynamics in people's assemblies.
Principles of Solidarity - excerpt : Through a direct democratic process, we have come together as individuals and crafted these principles of solidarity, which are points of unity that include but are not limited to:
Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
Declaration of the Occupation - excerpt: To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
That was not me that played that joke on you. I kind of thought it might have been one of your buddies promoting the idea of you getting an award.
You do not have to tell me what this revolution is about as I have been in the streets of NY for a long time risking arrest, and bodily injury, along with a lot of other bright, courageous, dedicated, mostly young people.
I have also done a lot of work with the wonderful people in the affinity group Occupy Town Square, as I am sure you know by now
I will give you that... you do know the rules better than me though
How, and who you apply those rules to may be a problem though
You sought this initial confrontation with your nastiness DK, not me
Certainly for a person that believes that ex-cons should get a second chance, so too should I
Please stay away from me DKAtoday
Stop being divisive - stop attacking those that are fighting against the corruption in our government - stop being a LOAD - and U and I will have no problems.
Keep with the opt-out of taking positive action BS - and I will be in your face.
Keep talking down the forum - and I will be in your face.
Please stop with the nastiness, and threats
Either bury the hatchet with me, and promote harmony on here
Or stay away from me, and I will do the same
Look - tell ya what - since you live and breathe street protest (?) - why don't you do that - support all street protests - help em out with ideas to help enhance the message. Then just stay away from other actions for the movement that you do not care for. Hows that?
BTW - I have not threatened you.
And I do promote harmony and you act to disrupt harmony. So you stop with the negativity and we will have no problems.
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Bernie Sanders (independent) is a good guide. He never chooses republicans, And Votes with Democrats 90% of the time.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-need-progressive-solutions-to-correct-conservat/
Bernie is the brightest beacon in a sea of darkness. He was my Congressman (before becoming a Senator) for many of the 20 years I lived in Vermont . The people loved him there. If more of our politicians were like him, there would be no reason for OWS to exist.
He is in the progressive caucus along with many Dems (& no repubs), He votes 90% with dems! He never votes with conservative republicans. He is out best guide of the whether there is a difference between the parties.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-need-progressive-solutions-to-correct-conservat/
He has an indepenent mind that is based in his strong sense of right, and wrong, and he is above party politics. The question is not whether the dems are better than the repubs. The question is, what should OWS role be, and what are the implications of that choice
Question? "what should OWS role be"? OWS role is to agitate for the change that will improve the lives of the 99%. All non violent tactics! Remember? Our role is to protest. Define the conversation as we have! Devise a new form of government. Pressure the system. Pressure the banksters. move our money, end citizens united, occupy the courts in support of halting foreclosures. There are many, many roles we are playing. The Election is 75 days away! We should agitate, protest, pressure all pols for the change that might allow the new form of direct democracy to come! (money out of politics.. & other reforms) We should agitate, protest, pressure all pols to pass laws to improve the lives of the 99%. cut working class taxes/debt. raise wealthy taxes. Stronger fin regulations, prosecute fin execs. The role of OWS is to educate all people (our supporters & non supporters) of our position on all these important issues. I believe also we should state clearly that the political system is broken, corrupt, bought off by the 1%, We should honestly, and fairly recognize that some politicians stand uot as examples, We should raise up those politicians as the type we support. Bernie Sanders is just one politician, his progressive solutions are the right approach, His choices are clearly Democartic leaning and we should take that as an important guide for our voting choices. Our role is to protest, agitate all pols, Elect more pols like Bernie Sanders, Pressure those pols and take our govt back from the 1% while the new direct democracy system is developed. Let the question be answered
choose our employment
Yes move our money. That is great Idea!
change currency or tax the rich
Tax the rich! Change currency?
I agree with all that, but I do not believe that OWS should get become election central. That's all. We have to remain the outside-the-system defiant pressure group that agitates everyone who is a part of this corrupt system
Election central? No. We should educte people that the parties both have serious problems but they are not the same. bernie Sanders is a great guide. He is in the progressive caucus with only dems, No republicans. Bernie Sanders votes 90% with the democrats. So for anyone who is unsure about whether the parties are the same we can trust the great Bernie Sanders. Right?
Bernie can be seen as a good bellwether. Look at the issues he supports and see what you think of them ( the issues ) if you are in agreement that they are good issues to support or oppose then you can also see who is most often taking the peoples side on these issues as well.
That is a good approach.
no prob - like I say there may well be others also.
Here ya go :
http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/12790
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Thank you
There is a voting record tool available - more then one I think - but one for sure that I know of.
I will look for it
No, they are not the same, one is slightly better, but still the fact remains that things have gotten progressively worse for over 30 years, and even in the last four years, things have deteriorated
This is all thanks to the neolibe(R)als.
We've been in a recession for the last 4 years, you need to place that into your thinking.
i have no problem leaving a discussion where both people have said all that they have to, and where you just end up repeating yourself. have a good night.
First day on an open forum?
I don't quit easily.
Pass the BS again, and you will hear from me again.
Have a nice sleep...............:)
"you have to place into your thinking" that Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act. The repeal of that law, arguably more than anything else caused the 2008 banking collapse
both parties answer to the corrupt elites' interests, not ours
Neolibe(R)tarians did it all.
If Clinton is one of those, or was swayed by one of them.
Then that's the way it is.
IT was the neolibe(R)tarians that profited from it.
Reagan was almost purely neolibe(R)tarian, and you can see what that really did.
you too have a good rest......
shooz, had to reply here. You and I will never agree on this, so why don't we both just go on and search for another discussion to join in.
Because I hate to leave a conversation where someone doesn't realize the truth.
Where someone continues the lie about a duopoly.
It's simply not true.
Had to reply here, yes Reagan initiated it, and I loathe George W. Bush, but in the end both parties promoted it because
Both parties answer to the corrupt banking, and corporate interests, not our interests
neolibe(R)tarians are the reason it appears that both parties support it.
It's the Neolibe(R)tarians that profit.
Take a look at the States and you will see such HUGE differences,........so far.
I have yet to have someone show any different, and Lord knows I've asked enough times.
Trust Bernie Sanders he is an independent and caucuses with and votes 90% of the time with Democrats. Never Republicans. he knows there is a real difference.
If he thought that there was a major difference, he would be a democrat, but once again that is not the issue.
He is an independent that we all trust. You don't trust Bernie? Wow. Then perhaps there is no hope for you. You aren't a republican are you?
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had to answer here. I voted for Bernie throughout the time I lived in Vermont. lol No I am not a republican, but I am used to that kind of red baiting. Gotta go out and ride my old Trek now. Have a good day
Sanders knows best
We must remain active on all fronts. To hell with your opting-out of taking all positive actions that are available to us.
lots of laughs. still more name calling 'eh? will you report yourself?
BTW - you ever have a chat with jart the forum or the moderators? Or are you just gonna stick with trying to manipulate your image here?
BTW - what name calling?
I am not opting out at all. I could say the same for you, but I won't as I know that you are just following your conscience, like me
I do express my opinion, like everyone else here
I also relate my experiences from my OWS activities that I take part in, in NYC with the hope of linking the forum to the streets in a more effective way
Since NYC is at the heart of this movement, and I am one of the few here who can bridge this gap, would you not think that I have a pivotal role to play here??
I will be riding my bike more during the nice weather here, so I do suspect that I will not have as much time for this. You may see that as a plus...me too
Once again, if you cannot be civil, and forgiving, please stay away from me. I will do the same
1 you can not say the same about me :
2 you are not trying to bridge a gap you have been trying to silence and exclude those who are taking political action.
3 Once again you stop being divisive and you and I will have no problems.
If I did, it would only be because you showed me the way DKAtoday, and considering your attack on my family life well, I owe you nothing, but scorn...lol
Ya know? My Dad got really fond of his family after he had to leave it also. Yep people who didn't know him really liked him and thought that he was just one hell of a family man. Funny - he talked about us in such glowing terms to strangers only after he did not live with us anymore.
So - I take by your comment that you lied and that you have gone to the forum?
No, and I do not "manipulate my image" here. I am stand-up, and straight forward. I can answer fire with fire though
Really? R U sure that you have not gone crying like a baby because I called you out for being divisive and picking fights with supporters of OWS and Occupy whose tactics U do not like?
Ummmm. U want to reconsider that statement? OH Mr. Stand-up guy?
DKAtoday.....I never expected that you would man-up!...and apologize
had to reply here
OH - OK - I am sorry that you are a manipulative asshole - that likes to spread poison.
Feel better?
Yes, it was harsh, and personal and irrelevant to discussing issues. Perhaps it is you who can't admit when he has been wrong.
Have not been wrong about Odin - Stormcrow - one-eye - All Father or whatever else he wants to fancy himself as - like say trek19. He is a practiced manipulator. And now he is going for the sympathy of strangers.
DKAtoday, an apology is in order, NOW
For all the "poison" that I supposedly spread. I have NEVER brought up a family relationship in a negative way on here
I took my lumps, have been cursed at, red baited and more, and I gave lumps back, but NEVER did I do what you just did DKAtoday
You have the gall to lower yourself, and attack my family life...shame on you DKAtoday!!
Is there no end to your hypocrisy DKAtoday??
You are the perfect example of someone who preaches morals, but has few
I expect an apology, NOW on this forum, and then I am ready to go on
Just for the record though DKAtoday:
Many people on this forum have went through the trauma of divorce. It's never good, it's sad, but we were one of the very few couples who did not need a lawyer for the divorce. We worked everything out between ourselves fairly. If either of us had tried to screw the other, we would have caught the wrath of our teen-age daughters at the time. They knew right from wrong, because we together taught them
Not many people forgive, (you never forget) and go on to have the good relationship that my ex, and i have, knowing that our love has brought three beautiful, enlightened daughters into the world.
And also just for the record my ex, and I both were living in one of my daughters homes while I was visiting in Alaska where, believe it or not, we got along fine. In fact we went out for lunch, and breakfast several times together with our only granddaughter. We also shared in her care, her mornings, me afternoons mostly
From your first comment to me on here, you were name-calling, threatening, and just plain nasty to me, but your reference to my family life put you in a class all by yourself, and it is not a high class DKAtoday
Unless an apology is forh-coming, you have exposed yourself to everyone on this forum..... the hypocrite...you are
BTW - you ever have a chat with jart the forum or the moderators? Or are you just gonna stick with trying to manipulate your image here?
Damn you sound so much like my old man - he never changed either - it was always someone else's fault. He could be charming too. Would tell funny stories be complimentary ( flattering - not so good a thing ) - funny thing was he was these things mainly to other people not his own family.
He started to see and understand this though very late in life when the Dr's prescribed an anti depressant ( my sisters suggestion to the Doc ). He thought that they were memory pills to help him think - he felt so much better and he was so much more cheerful. He started to reanalyze his life and came up with some startling series of expressed regrets. Though he never really changed he did become better and more honest with himself.
I owe "YOU" nothing. "YOU" have presented "YOURSELF".
Whatever you need DKAtoday
Please, just leave me alone so that I can add another dimension to this forum by it having another voice that has a lot of life, and Occupy Wall Street experiences
Nope - sorry one-eye it is not about me it is about the movements - and if you can not keep yourself from being divisive(?) - then you do not belong here.
So like I said promote good actions where you are confortable(?) on the street protest front and leave the other supporters alone with the actions they promote that you do not like.
C'mon DKA. That remark to Trek19 was below the belt. You're better than that.
Sorry - I have a different opinion from a different perspective and experience. It may have been a harsh thing to say - but it does not make it untrue.
Please DKAtoday, (had to answer here) no more name calling, threats, and nastiness
Have you seen my comments lately, the one about Washington Square Park in particular which I would say is one of my best ones in linking the streets with the forum
You the leader in points are setting a bad example for the forum
Be civil, and accept that a diversity of opinions is what makes us stronger, or think about taking a vacation
A diversity of opinions is not accepting opt-out because that is doing nothing - those who feel that way are welcome to their opinion just not to campaign for it - as that is not opting-out - that is campaigning - worse it is defeatist campaigning.
You consider me to be a leader here - what kind of leader would allow poison to thrive in the community?
Keep positive output happening or I will always be in your face.
DKAtoday, still going after my family life...shame
Just for the record DKAtoday:
I extended my stay in Alaska with my family for three weeks, at THEIR request.
They even offered to pay the $100 change fee that Alaska Airlines charges, and which I turned down
My one daughter, and I cried when I left,
And she wants me to move there permanently...really..maybe I will
Many families stay close to each other, and I envy them in a lot of ways. My family does not stay close geographically. In the three generations of my family starting with my mom, and dad...we have family on three other continents, that's brothers, sisters, deceased grandparents and parents, uncles, aunts, and tons of first cousins
So you're implying from your little story that my family is separated from each other because we don't get along is just UNCONSCIONABLE... simply....UNCONSCIONABLE !
I have not said anything so I could not have lied
Let me leave you with these three quotes DKAtoday. The second one is most applicable, and ironically it was the same kind of McCarthy-like red baiting that has been going on here on this forum that brought it on....and that you seem to ignore with your like-minded buddies
Here though in the face of your ever-widening attacks on my family this is PERSONAL between you and me, that's from ME to YOU
Yes that quote is very appropiate here after your attack on my family
One more quote from atop of the beautiful Arch at Washington Square Park, where OWS has many of its gatherings, and it is very prophetic to the struggle we find ourselves in. It is a quote of healing, and hope.
Before those attacks on my famiy, I could have forgiven you, but now I could never forgive you DK..never
So an apology now...simply won't do
Fine I never expected you to apologize for your manipulations and spreading of divisiveness and poison on this forum anyway.
So go away - and commit no more sins - say 3700 hail Marys and you should be fine.
BTW - I never attacked your family - your perception is quite screwed up. You may be a practiced manipulator - but you certainly are not skilled.
I am anything, but a defeatist DKAtoday, rather I am a realist, and even an optimist for the most part.
If you knew how I have overcome adversity in both my work life, and personal life, you would know that
Like I implied in my previous comment i will be seeking more of a balance in my life, not because of your threats though, but because I know that gives me a better perspective, and a richer life in general
"Poison", WOW the name calling continues
As long as.... "positive output".... does not... equate.. to being all....... 'agreed up'.... with you, we should have no problems as I will be civil, and I would expect you to be the same
I would expect you to apply the same rules eqitably to all though
So judge me not by the past, but from this moment on.... as you would anyone that.... may.... have made a mistake in life
Wow you are such a whiner - you can not admit when you have been wrong. Is that one of the reasons you ex left you(?) and now there is enough distance between the 2 of you that you can be somewhat friends?
Poison was not a name I called at you - it is something that you like to spread.
Like I said stick with positive output and stop attacking other OWS and Occupy supporters and you will have no problems with me.
Again I do not make threats.
Are you gonna belabor this any further? Or will you get down to being proactive?
That fourth line makes perfect sense. You are right. I guess this ain't the place to talk about issues, while also relating them to political affiliations. Though as you can see from my post you are commenting on, I am trying.
This is a defiant movement. We are all "trying", and most of us here are here for good reasons. Building communtiy...learning...teaching...agitating, and reaching out is what OWS is all about. On a side note, my ex-wife, who I now have a good relationship with said that I was very "trying", hmmm? lol
kicking people out is not very GA and it's not direct democracy like OWS preaches.
kick them out and they still vote for their status quo candidate.
The best is to continue spreading truth and use logic and reason to get them to support a new beginning instead of the status quo supporting the system we're protesting.
In my opinion
also I will not be commenting any further. I don't care to keep posts like this in the top of the forum through recent comment bumps
Understand and agree with the kicking out part of people who are going with their true beliefs
But what about those that are not here for altruistic reasons, and they teamed with the former are now the biggest voice here
Is that not a concern to you?
"Sheep" by Pink Floyd
They have been the party of the poor and needy for 50+ years. And there are are more of those poor and needy than ever before. We know the republicans don't care about them. Seems the democrats don't either.
I view Obama as a social democrat. Social democracy is the view that change can be made through parliamentarism (i.e. running for legislative and executive positions in gov't). Libertarian socialism is more radical as it believes in change through a general strike (anarchosyndicalism and the IWW) or violent revolution as during the Spanish Civil War with the CNT-FAI.