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Forum Post: The 15 Rules of Web Disruption

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 14, 2012, 5:57 p.m. EST by MadInMedford (-15)
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How to Spot - and Defeat - Disruption on the Internet

Posted on August 13, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

THE 15 RULES OF WEB DISRUPTION

David Martin’s Thirteen Rules for Truth Suppression, H. Michael Sweeney’s 25 Rules of Disinformation (and now Brandon Smith’s Disinformation: How It Works) are classic lessons on how to spot disruption and disinformation tactics.

We’ve seen a number of tactics come and go over the years. Here are the ones we see a lot of currently.

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01) Start a partisan divide-and-conquer fight or otherwise push emotional buttons to sew discord and ensure that cooperation is thwarted. Get people fighting against each other instead of the corrupt powers-that-be. Use baseless caricatures to rile everyone up. For example, start a religious war whenever possible using stereotypes like “all Jews are selfish”, “all Christians are crazy” or “all Muslims are terrorists”. Accuse the author of being a gay, pro-abortion limp-wristed wimp or being a fundamentalist pro-war hick when the discussion has nothing to do with abortion, sexuality, religion, war or region. Appeal to people’s basest prejudices and biases. And – as Sweeney explains – push the author into a defensive posture:

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule … Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

02) Pretend it’s hopeless because we’ll be squashed if we try. For example, every time a whistleblower leaks information, say “he’s going to be bumped off”. If people talk about protesting, organizing, boycotting, shareholder activism, spreading the real facts, moving our money or taking other constructive action, write things to scare and discourage people, say something like “we don’t have any chance because they have drones and they’ll just kill us if we try”, or “Americans are too stupid, lazy and greedy, so they’ll never help out.” Encourage people to be apathetic instead of trying to change things.

03) Demand complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed. For example, if a reporter breaks the story that the big banks conspired to rig a market, ask “given that people are selfish and that no regulation can close all possible loopholes … how are you going to change human nature?”, and pretend that it’s not worth talking about the details of the market manipulation. This discourages people from reporting on and publicizing the corruption, fraud and other real problems. And it ensures that not enough people will spread the facts so that the majority know what’s really going on.

04) Suggest extreme, over-the-top, counter-productive solutions which will hurt more than help, or which are wholly disproportionate to what is being discussed. For example, if the discussion is whether or not to break up the big banks or to go back on the gold standard, say that everyone over 30 should be killed because they are sell-outs and irredeemable, or that all of the banks should be bombed. This discredits the attempt to spread the facts and to organize, and is simply the web method of the provocateur.

05) Pretend that alternative media – such as blogs written by the top experts in their fields, without any middleman – are untrustworthy or are motivated solely by money (for example, use the derogatory term “blogspam” for any blog posting, pretending that there is no original or insightful reporting, but that the person is simply doing it for ad revenue).

06) Coordinate with a couple of others to “shout down” reasonable comments. This is especially effective when the posters launch an avalanche of comments in quick succession … the original, reasonable comment gets lost or attacked so much that it is largely lost.

07) Use an army of sock puppets. You can either hire low-wage workers in India or other developing countries to “astroturf” or – if you work for the government – you can use hire military personnel and subcontractors to monitor social media and “correct” information which you don’t like (and see this), or use software which allows you to quickly create and alternate between numerous false identities, each with their own internet address.

08) Censor social media, so that the hardest-hitting information is buried. If you can’t censor it, set up “free speech zones” to push dissent into dank, dark corners where no one will see it.

09) When the powers-that-be cut corners and take criminally reckless gambles with our lives and our livelihoods, protect them by pretending that the inevitable result - nuclear accidents, financial crises, terrorist attacks or other disasters – were “unforeseeable” and that “no could have known”.

10) Protect the rich and powerful by labeling any allegations of criminal activity as being a “conspiracy theory”. For example, when Goldman gets caught rigging markets, label the accusations as mere conspiracies.

The following 4 tactics from Sweeney are also still commonly used …

11) Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

12) Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

13) Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

14) Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

15) Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

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Postscript: Over a number of years, we’ve found that the most effective way to fight disruption and disinformation is to link to a post such as this one which rounds up disruption techniques, and then to cite the disinfo technique you think is being used.

Specifically, we’ve found the following format to be highly effective in educating people in a non-confrontational manner about what the disrupting person is doing:

Good Number 1!

Or:

Thanks for that textbook example of Number 7!

(include the link so people can see what you’re referring to.)

The reason this is effective is that other readers will learn about the specific disruption tactic being used … in context, like seeing wildlife while holding a wildlife guide, so that one learns what it looks like “in the field”. At the same time, you come across as humorous and light-hearted instead of heavy-handed or overly-intense.

Try it … It works.

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Source: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html

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[-] 4 points by kaiserw (211) 2 years ago

nice!

[-] 1 points by MadInMedford (-15) 2 years ago

Thank YOU my friend! I just posted what YOU deserve credit for!

[-] 3 points by kaiserw (211) 2 years ago

No problem. I made a post about this a week ago, but it seems to get bubbled down pretty fast. Probably a good subject to regularly post to keep everyone aware of it.

Here's my other one, with some more tricks they use: http://occupywallst.org/forum/cointelpro-intelligence-agents-techniques-for-dilu/

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Good post, Madman.

The Dem shills on this forum are playing Numbers 1, 5, 6, and 14 to the hilt.

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[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

14. suggest hidden personal agenda. If I believe it and I have real evidence I will say it. However I do not believe I twist or amplify. If you have evidence I will entertain it. But just because this "hidden personal agenda" appears on your lists does not mean it can't occur. And if it occurs then it is ok to say it.

Sorry. I believe any one who thinks we should boycott the ballot is most likely serving the republicans who will benefit. I;m entitled to my opinion, and I have evry right to state it.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You are so one sided its not even funny. The right is telling their people the same thing that are saying they arent voting for Romney, or are writing Paul or voting for Johnson.

You have every right to spit all the establishment tricks you like. Just beware that most of American is past that and looking for new options.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Says the wannabe weirdo....

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Stop, VQ is establishment left talking points, solutions and methods all day long. Almost identical to the right's same techniques.

I could apply almost all of the above to you as well, if I wanted to.

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

"We saw those challenges in Libya. We saw them in Iran. We see them in Tibet and Syria."....

Wow. All I can say is....Wow.

[-] 0 points by MadInMedford0R (2) 2 years ago

Actually YOU suck at this, ZenDog, or whoever you really are.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sir Spam-a-lot?

Bullshit is what you do. You can't expect the rest of us to keep up on a thing like that.

You really can't.

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[-] 2 points by MadInMedford0R (2) 2 years ago

I am as impervious to insults as you are to reason, ZenDog.

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[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"Most of America"? Is that a joke? Almost 45% always go D, the same for R. If there is 15% that are independent we are lucky. "Most of america" That's funny.

[-] 5 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Um actually when you do some real polling, you find that everyone is sick and tired of both of them.

Get out of your box. You are destroying any possibility for meaningful change.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I am destroying nothing. That is a ridiculous exaggeration. Plenty of 99%'rs are disgusted. They would best be served by progressive solutions. That would excite them. whatever percentage it is.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

We need a mix of progressive and conservative solutions in many different areas.

And once again, in your reply, try not to confuse progressive and conservative with fascist.

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

fascist? I'll take that as an attempt to distract. Can you tell me which conservative solution you would consider?

[+] -11 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I think it was an attempt to twist your reply before you made it.

[-] -3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

yes. And I don't think I'm gonna get an answer as to a particular conservative policy he wants to mix in.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

How about we do something about our spending? Military spending along is almost a trillion dollars.

I dont think the tax code is anything that needs to be bragged about, since its 76k pages long- simplify it.

And the amount of regulations that small businesses face are absolutely insane.

The social anarchy that many people here call for requires a move to more local communities having hte power for rule making I've stated the states rights things, and people seem to think thats pretty conservative, to not want this huge centralized power in one place in Maryland.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago
  • Cutting military spending is great idea. I say by 50%. But that is NOT conservative policy.

Conservative policy would cut all govt programs/svcs for the 99%. College aid, Social Security, madicare, medicaid, They would eliminate EPA, DOE, and many others important programs. The conservative policy has been for 30 years: Run up the debt so much, & cut taxes so much that we are forced to gut those programs that serve the democratic constituents. Is that the conservative cutting policy you support? I do not!

  • "Tax code is 76k pages long, simplify" That is certainly republican talking point. After that usually comes the flat tax talking point. Do you support that? I think the huge size is a good illustration of the real problem. Too many deductions, and loopholes for the 1% plutocrats.

So if the size is the priority for you, I propose we eliminate all deductions, & loopholes, and tax subsidies for the 1% (indiv, & corps(corps w/ hv deduction for hiring Americans)) I also propose we change the top 2 rates to 90%, and we cut the rates that apply to income under $75K. That would make it smaller by at least 80%. But the size is just an illustration right? Not really relevant to the substantive policy we must craft.

  • Cut regulations: definitely conservative policy. I can entertain some regulation cuts for small business if they are related to hiring Americans. My hesitation is that we need regulation to protect the environment and the safety of products for the 99%.

  • Localizing power: States rights is definitely conservative policy. They used it to try maintaining slavery, Jim crow, and all sorts of offensive oppressive policies against the 99%.

So clearly how a state or local community might use this power to hurt the 99% is my concern. How do we address that real historic problem in your opinion?

I cannot speak for the Anarchists but I believe we will have a real direct democracy as a matter of evolution. Whether OWS brings this about or not I believe it is the logical progression of human governance. Further I believe the hundreds of federal/national governments will also naturally evolve into one world government. I believe that is how it should be. I like no national boundaries, one less reason to war amongst each other, perhaps even better sharing of resources. Real equality! The huge centralized govt would be in NYC! Yeah BOYYYY!

How does that effect your states rights proposal. I don't know. We all have local government. We should use them. I think it's the right place to experiment with real direct governance with all citizens voting on all laws, using the internet I suppose. But in place of federal govt? I don't think so. We run the risk of some local conservative right wing wackos discriminating against one group or another.

So there I support cutting the military, the size of the tax code, regulations on small business (if it means hiring Americans), and eliminating the US fed govt in maryland (if it means a one world govt)

Hows 'dat? Can we agree on anything? Or are you gonna ignore my response, worse, are you gonna attack me?

Peace

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Only a fool like you could not make the correlation between 76k pages of loopholes and levels of corruption....guess what? Its around 78k now. How many more tax breaks did YOU get that require 2k pages?

Very dissapointing as usual.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The number of pages is a ridiculous measure of good or bad policy. And you call me the fool. LoL. I am for ending deductions loopholes and tax shelters for the 1%. that would cut out 80% of the pages for ok.

Page counter.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You are so dumb.

Try reading... it might help. Maybe.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-qe-not-working

Good night troll.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

keep counting pages. You can't argu substance so discuss number of pages, ages of parties.

Try deciding on the policy of an issue. It's the smart way to decide.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No doubt.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

How about we do something about our spending? Military spending along is almost a trillion dollars.

I dont think the tax code is anything that needs to be bragged about, since its 76k pages long- simplify it.

And the amount of regulations that small businesses face are absolutely insane.

The social anarchy that many people here call for requires a move to more local communities having hte power for rule making I've stated the states rights things, and people seem to think thats pretty conservative, to not want this huge centralized power in one place in Maryland.

The reason I posted the fascism thing at the end is because he always confuses the two.

[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

You seriously believe the majority of Americans will not vote for Obama or Romney ?!?!?!?
Do you believe in the easter bunny too?
FYI - when YOU chew tobacco - don't swallow - spit

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Well, the majority dont vote at all. The reasons for that are up for debate.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Last pres election, 63% voted
If the republiclan potty succeeds,. they will suppress millions of voters to help their candidates; but I doubt it will get down below 50%


FYI 63% > "majority"
oops - my bad!
sixty three percent is greater than a majority.


fox's first commandment -
to support your lies, use numbers - lots of numbers -
and hope none of the lemmings are smart enough to fact check

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

That 63% number is highly inflated. And that was of REGISTERED voters. It was actually around 40% of people over 18 that voted.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

where did your 40% come from?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Only 70% of eligible voters are registered. Of that registered number, only 50% vote.

[-] 2 points by OwsRevolutionary (0) 2 years ago

"The cant of our political theater, the ridiculous obsessions over vice presidential picks or celebrity gossip that dominate the news industry, effectively masks the march toward corporate totalitarianism. The corporate state has convinced the masses, in essence, to clamor for their own enslavement. There is, in reality, no daylight between Mitt Romney and Obama about the inner workings of the corporate state. They each support this section within the NDAA and the widespread extinguishing of civil liberties. They each will continue to funnel hundreds of billions of wasted dollars to defense contractors, intelligence agencies and the military. They each intend to let Wall Street loot the U.S. Treasury with impunity. Neither will lift a finger to help the long-term unemployed and underemployed, those losing their homes to foreclosures or bank repossessions, those filing for bankruptcy because of medical bills or college students burdened by crippling debt. Listen to the anguished cries of partisans on either side of the election divide and you would think this was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. You would think voting in the rigged political theater of the corporate state actually makes a difference. The charade of junk politics is there not to offer a choice but to divert the crowd while our corporate masters move relentlessly forward, unimpeded by either party, to turn all dissent into a crime."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/criminalizing_dissent_20120813/

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

You sound like John Adams to me

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I'm gonna take that as a compliment. I mean he defended British soldiers in Boston before the war and was one of the few founding father who didn't own slaves.

So thanks.

[-] 0 points by ivian (-60) 2 years ago

wrong. john adams , sam adams. alexander hamilton and tom paine did not own slaves.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And calling people "dem shills" is in violation of #1 right. Just like I am guilty of calling out republican shills.?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

6 is not true as well. Co ordinate with others to shout down?. never happened. More lies.

You are comical.

I'm checking #14 now.

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[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

When have I said alt media (blogs) are motivated by money. (#5) Did you even read these things? Are you just making things up because you can't yse the truth against me.

So that one is clearly a false accusation.

Your friend though did say that there was no hope voting like #2.do you agree with your madman friend?

[-] -2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Your madman friend just had a comment removed. Why is that? Is he thrassy? VVV?

[-] 0 points by MadInMedford0R (2) 2 years ago

If I didn't already know the answer, I would ask you why you are so afraid of the Truth.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No fear boss, I'm from Brooklyn. You wanna give me some.? Have at it.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Must have hit a nerve you are getting downvoted.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

They are applying some internet disruption rules to my comments. Just another sorry attempt to silence me. But I cannot be stopped. They will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. MooHa hahaha ha ha.

Just silliness

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

LOL - yeah it's funny how some attackers will use actual articles of how to spot them - put the article onto a forum and then point at supporters of the forum and say look - what is that person doing?

Sowing fear and divisiveness.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I think that is one of the items on the list

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

1 & 14 ?

See the thing is you can take and apply these rules to practically any discussion between to innocent individuals and color one or both as being subversive or whatever. It is an act of throwing glue - anything that comes after the glue is gonna stick. So it's not really about spotting a troll or whatever - it is about polluting the atmosphere. So to make everyone look at everyone else real funny.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It's a silly game. A distraction from real issues.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes and a poisoning of the environment to discourage positive discourse.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I wanna be positive. & I will try. Mostly this current episode is more silly than hurtful. I think it will pass quickly. I'm trying to avoid being preoccupied with them.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Positive - Absolutely. Don't let em De-rail you. I think I am pretty much done with feeding this post. Let it sink to the bottom.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

agreed.

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[-] 0 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 2 years ago

You see many destructive methods on the web. I think most people using those methods are not even aware of the fact that they act destructive. They believe their message. They cannot see the argument of others.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21331) 2 years ago

How about think for yourself and post what you think? Then, none of these tactics can get to you.

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - all this - spotting the subversive stuff - is really good for is poisoning the atmosphere - get everyone looking at everyone else funny.

Best to examine the issues and come to your own conclusions.

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabagge(R)y

That's what's going on.

Supported, backed and trained by libe(R)tarians.

Now, who woulda' thought?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGB8Uuffi4M

It fits this thread to a tea! (Pun intended)

[-] -1 points by OwsRevolutionary (0) 2 years ago

Nothing I have seen anywhere describes 80 percent of the posts to this pro-regime partisan propaganda polluted forum better than this one.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just can't get the Right Wingers to leave - can you beat that(?) - they come here in support of the corpoRATist status-quo.

Absolutely amazing the BS that they try to push.

Well I guess it takes all kinds - must keep the mods pretty busy too.

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[-] 0 points by kaiserw (211) 2 years ago

I nailed you last week as a FBI, NSA CIA, NYPD disinformation agent. You do realize what you are doing is the same as the Stasi oppression tactics. Like I said before, there's a very special place in hell for propaganda disinfo agents.

May you burn brightly and eternally.

[-] 0 points by OwsRevolutionary (0) 2 years ago

Well said.

[+] -5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're way too late for that.

OWSleader did all that months ago.

Or are you he?

Of course if what you say is true, all of FLAKESnews and it's listeners would have been damned years ago.

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

god save the king

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

And watch out for that rabbit!!

Do you still have the holy hand grenade?

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That was too funny! but my daughter was very upset when she saw them blow up the rabbit. She was too young to see it. My bad. She loves it now that she is college age.

;)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Neep - neep neep.

Verily?

Neep!

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Must have hit a nerve you are getting downvoted.

[-] 1 points by MadInMedfordOR (1) 2 years ago

Downvoting and upvoting forum "Karma" points is a quintessential example of online psyops. Why? Because downvoting information that is true does not make it false; upvoting information that is false does not make it true; and high or low cumulative scores on such an easily manipulated measure tell you nothing about the credibility of the poster or the reliability of their posts.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The numbers are meaningless man. Please grow up. Stick with important issues. You don't have to attack anyone, You don't have to worry about up/downvotes just express an opinion enjoy the education so many people can provide and if we're lucky we might get concensus on some action item.

[-] 0 points by MadInMedfordOR (1) 2 years ago

Tell MoveOn/DNC/Obama2012/Whoever-You-Work-For that "consensus" is misspelled in your script.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Spelling criticism? Your like a 12 year old how about CU why don't take a stand on something of substance?

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[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

And what have you to say about people that get banned a lot, yet continue to return, sir spam-a-lot?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

However downvoting comments that are pointing to the truth of some issues being discussed is used as a visual to others that this comment is not liked. So it tries to discourage others to weigh the statement or issue.

At the same time downvoting can be real expression of opinion on a particular comment or series of comments.

What is useful in making a determination - is the issue being discussed and weighing the contents of the discussion.

Helpful in weighing a discussion is not only the issue but how it is put forth and where that issue is being discussed - like say on an OWS site that is looking to forward good ideas and information on how to move forward in making this a better country in a better world.

[-] 1 points by MadInMedfordOR (1) 2 years ago

You suggest that liking a lie makes it true or disliking a fact makes it false.

That happens every day, but only in the minds of Sheeple.

No cigar.

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No - You just said that.

I said you need to examine the conversation/issue and the individual comments.

Apparently the comment was not appreciated as it has been downvoted.

[-] 1 points by MadInMedfordOR (1) 2 years ago

Veracity can impact popularity, but popularity cannot impact veracity.

No cigar.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Except on wikipedia.

Hell, even Sara can affect history on wiki, there's no telling what gets done to everything else.........

What's cigars have to do with it anyway?

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Monica and Slick?

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They smoked cigars after they were done?

I hadn't heard that....................:)

That spam-a-lot guy's in on everything.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I don't think Monica smoked the cigar Slick liked to play with.

This is a busy place for a shill MaidinMedfordOR must be getting tired.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

He took a break..........then he came back and spammed some more.

Looks like he then got spam banned and now he's got his second wind.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They work so hard for the money - so hard for the money - hard for the money - and they don't even get it right......hard for the money.... so hard for the money...and they don't even get it right....... {:-])

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You say nothing - and with such conviction.

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[-] -3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Don't I always?

[-] -1 points by trashyharry (2694) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

Shooz-you are a great person and Postmeister Extraordinaire.I never participate in any down or upvoting on these forums because I think it is a distorting element easy for The Negatory Brigade to abuse.You are one of the best.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

OOooooo.

I feel all warm and fuzzy now.

Thanks.......:)

Here, have a point.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (26690) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Ow! Hit a nerve. {:-])