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Forum Post: Texas Teacher Sentenced to Five Years in Prison for Having Sex with Five Students

Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 10:07 a.m. EST by LeoYo (5758)
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Texas teacher sentenced to five years in prison for having sex with five students

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/17/13338856-texas-teacher-sentenced-to-five-years-in-prison-for-having-sex-with-five-students?lite

By Chris Van Horne and Frank Heinz, NBCDFW.com

Updated 8 p.m. ET: FORT WORTH, Texas -- Brittni Colleps, the Kennedale teacher accused of having improper sexual relationships with several of her students, has been found guilty on all counts of five indictments against her.

Colleps was sentenced to five years in prison Friday afternoon.

Colleps showed no emotion as the guilty verdicts were read on all 16 counts of the indictments. Her husband, on the other hand, was emotional and crying as his wife, with her bail now revoked, was led from the courtroom in the custody of the state.

Colleps was indicted on five charges of having an inappropriate relationship between a teacher and student after school officials learned of the allegations and took the matter to the Arlington police.

The trial began earlier this week with graphic testimony including text messages and a cell phone video that showed one of the alleged sexual incidents. The prosecution wrapped up their case Thursday before closing arguments began Friday morning.

The five victims all testified to having a sexual relationship with the married mother of three in her Arlington home between April and May of 2011. All five of the students were in Colleps' senior English class in the spring of 2011 and all of the victims were at least 18 when the incidents occurred.

Despite their age, Texas law forbids sexual relationships between teachers and students, even if the students are legal adults and consent to the relationship. Several of the victims testified Thursday to not wanting to testify in the trial with one of them saying he didn't want to press charges.

After closing arguments, the jury took about an hour to render the verdict.

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7010) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Old enough to go to war; old enough to vote, drink, and have sex, this should have been a civil matter, the same as if it were employee/employer.

(or we should raise/set the age for all three)

[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 2 years ago

"Occupy Brittni Colleps: Mission Accomplished"

~The 5 Students

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (358) 2 years ago

A current law on the books in texas was broken. A fair trial with jury was held and the person convicted. End of story. Is it that difficult to see that a teacher-student sexual relationship on any level is wrong? Would you as a parent be okay with your child and teacher having an affair. If you answer yes, then your immaturity is showing. What if your child was a girl instead? What if man and boy or woman and girl? Does that change your answer, then why? Should we just toss all morals out the window? Even in the workplace there are sexual harassment policies and clearly there were policies in the school system. Society needs some rules to have some order. So then what is the REAL reason for this post as far as OWS is concerned?

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Actually, I feel it is a troll on here with unbridled sexual problems who requires public attention and/or approval for their sick behavior.

I agree with your statements also.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Any law that limits freedom of association between consenting adults needs to be amended.

An improper association between an adult and a child is a matter for the law.

An improper association between consenting adults due to a professional association is a matter for the policies and authorities of that profession, not for the law.

Are you truly unable to recognize that or do you truly feel that a society requires consentual adult associations to be regulated by the state?

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

what is your favorite drink?

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Why do you ask?

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (358) 2 years ago

Association? Really? Sorry, I can not dance with semantics on this. This is high school. So yes, I believe you can enact laws to prevent this. Professional associations are not subject to local school boards or other agencies. If you feel so correct on this, why go to your local school board meeting and stand up and state your position policy and desire to allow this to occur. Would be a good lesson for you. What do you think will happen? You can't hide on the Internet forever.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Teaching is a profession like any other with its own associations and policies with consequences for violating them. You honestly didn't know that?

When a law needs to be amended, you deal with the legislature, not the school board.

So, if you had a genius daughter who graduated high school by age 15, soon graduated college and was teaching a high school class by the age of 18 and had an affair with an 18 year old student, you as a parent would be okay with your child being incarcerated for having an affair with a man her own age simply because he was a high school student. Right? If you answer yes, then your immaturity is showing. What if your child was a man instead? What if man and man or woman and woman? Does that change your answer, then why? Should we just make exceptions to any legal status pertaining to a person's rights and responsibilities whenever it suits us? Society needs to ahere to the status it confers upon people it recognizes as having reached the age of consent and not legislate the consentual relationships of legal adults for unprofessional behavior. Punishment for unprofessional behavior between consenting adults involving a profession is for the policies of that profession to penalize, not the state.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (358) 2 years ago

You so completely missed the point that we are done here with further discussion. Like I said, go stand in front of your local school board and state your position to them. It really has no point here on OWS.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Legislation pertaining to regulating the relationships of consenting adults is indeed an issue of interest to individuals affiliated with OWS.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

its weird that a grown woman with kids would get hot over some highschool kids.. she is a predator. its too bad she was smart enough to get a hold of some over 18 **s .. doesnt change that she is a predator.. a teacher is like a mother or father to students. thats wierd no matter the ages.

[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Grown men with kids get hot over young women. The difference is that in a patriarchal society, women of any age are prey for men of any age.

These were legally consenting adults. If people feel that 18 is truly too young for moral responsibility, people should support having the voting age raised.

[-] 2 points by jbgramps (159) 2 years ago

The problem they were her students. We can’t have teachers having sex with their students or every pedophile would become a teacher. If they had not been students no law would have been broken. Not that it matters I read in the paper that her and her husband were swingers.

[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

I hadn't read that they were swingers although I had strongly suspected they were.

I see the problem as the law making no distinction between adult students and underaged students.

Sex with underaged students, go to prison.

Sex with consenting legal adult students, get fired and banned from teaching in the state.

And if it has to be a crime for one consenting adult, it should just as equally be a crime for any other consenting adults.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I'm with you... this is bogus for sure.

As a person who wanted to bang multiple teachers in high school... I find nothing wrong with it once you're 18.

She probably should have used better judgement and she should be fired for violating policy. But to go to prison for being a human being who lusted after consenting adults.... that's bullshit.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Bull shyt on all points! Take your asses out of school, away from other youngsters and then F*** your brains out in your own private circle and lifestyle. This type of behavior does not belong in schools with school aged children around, or where they can be influenced.. Moral behavior considers others in their circle of friends, family and community as well. This is not behavior of morally responsible individuals idiots! Just animals in heat! As my son says...."Wilderness porn"

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

It didn't take place in a school with other youngsters. It took place out of school in a private home among consenting adults.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Were you there? If she/he is a teacher, are there not other males/females to have sexual relationships with outside of a school environment. Why go after those you have raised from little itty bitty dickies and vagies, that have grown up in your presence, under your guidance and given alleged lessons in educational moral values? And then you continue with 5 more? Puh-leeze.....was she that desperate? Would you be that desperate? Could that not be the same about the Priests, or Penn State, or any organized institution where children are put in your care and then you are grooming them for your sexual appetites instead of how to create healthy sexual lives in society? So, they grow up...let them move on and find healthy sexual relationships with healthy minded individuals. So, who was your coach and why are you so adamant about this deviant behavior of children being groomed for sex? Why not turn your own children or family members over to these types of individuals ....then you might be a lot happier and you can watch!. Unless........Hmm...where do you teach or plan to teach?

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

I don't need to have been there, I ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE. If you dispute what actually took place as reported in the article, that's your own issue. As for having sex with others, from what I've been recently informed, her and her husband are swingers, so she was already doing that.

She didn't raise any of the ADULTS she had sex with. They were students in her senior English class. Nothing in the article suggests any grooming or any prior contact with them before they had taken her class. In repeatedly calling them children, you wish to ignore the fact that they were legal adults, legally responsible for their own choices, not innocent children. Her crime was not having sex with children. Her crime was being a teacher having sex with students, regardless of their age.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

You my friend are truly ignorant to the facts of life.
Moral obligation, and social responsibility is the rule of thumb in this 'NEW ERA OF TIME' whether we like it or not. Sexual perversions and unbridled acts are a way of the past and need to be re-examined for the sake of our survival. . Perhaps it is a good thing that most of the race has a mutative gene that cannot reproduce. Keeps the deviants and the future generations of ass holes out of commission....

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

What is or isn't a sexual perversion is a matter of social opinion that changes with time.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Not for animals....and that shows through your limited mentality regarding the beastly behavior of society.
Social behavior has its opinions, but that my dumb bunny does not make those opinions the absolute truth. Thank god for TRUTH! The truth is, our society is full of individuals who believe that these continued acts of perversion are right, and that morality is something to be argued. All it demonstrates is that humanity has turned its back on truth....pure and simple my friend. So, truly you care less about your fellow man or woman and children and will gladly sell your blood for your own sexual gratification. No mystery to that! Now please....get lost fool!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Look idiot, you're the one replying to my post so if anyone is going to be getting lost, it's going to be you and as anyone can see, you're already there.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Oh, I'm replying to just you? Pretty egotistical aren't you. Is that why people like you have a hard time with adult relationships? I can see that I'm hitting a nerve, so if the shoe fits, wear it pervert... Oh and Thanks for the compliment!

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

I can see you are as loonytunes as they come with your ego and attempts at projection. Look into a mirror to see who has a problem with adult relationships. You obviously aren't okay with 18 year olds being considered responsible adults and feel it is the state's place to regulate their personal decisions of association. You don't like what other adults can choose to do in privacy and have the egotistical disposition to think that it's any of your business. You're truly pathetic.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Now where did I say all that pray tell? If you wanna screw post pubescent "teenagers" be my guest!
Personally I like my lovemaking with someone a bit more experienced, who can sensually arouse me, as an experienced adult can, knows my needs are important to be met, and likes only me (never been a problem for me) and will not screw anything walking, crawling or any potential aids related moron! Me, pathetic? Did you not start this forum so you can let everyone know that you have a major sex hang up and like to do it with people who are really clueless about sexual relationships and the love of intimacy between "adults" and not everybody on the block? So you are deficient in some of those areas I presume. Now, truly, with all the self-revelations of your own deep desires, don't you think you are being a tad immature with your assumptions of me? Now really...who is truly, truly pathetic...Look at your subject matter little man!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

"My dear child...."

"Please, project the kings English correctly Take deep breaths and then, only then should you type in order to present your sentences with clarity and logic to the public."

"Other wise it looks as if you are just being a copy cat (plagiarism) who is trying to reproduce the words of the previous poster due to the fact that you have neither intellectual capacity nor original thought processes to call your own."

As incoherent as ever. Well, at least you're consistent.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

"I do certainly agree...."Observing incoherent behavior is interesting." You have demonstrated that with your attempts at defending the behavior of one teacher, amongst hundred, who are sexually attracted to "post pubescent" teenagers. Now, before you go into total mental confusion and melt down again...look the words up for a better understanding."

"It is apparent from the majority of the posts on here that society will not agree with you or anyone else on matters pertaining to individual "alleged" adults who are legally mandated, paid and certified to guide our children into adulthood. If those adults are unable to maintain their standards, morals, or ability to control their sexual appetites in those areas, then they should turn in their teaching certificates and open a brothel instead! Somewhere along the line, you and your followers got turned around and forgot that the mothers and fathers of this society, who truly love and adore their children, will never condone this type of behavior towards them when they are small or as they are being prepared to move into the adult world,"

"So, if you feel slighted that I can't, won't and will never agree with you or others like you....."

"I really don't give a rat's %#@ !!"

Well of course you give a rat's %#@ !! That's why, contrary to your claim, you keep replying. That's why you had responded in the first place and continue to do so with the same attempts to ignore the clearly stated issue while trying to twist it into something else. So, if you feel inadequate about not being able to comprehend subjects of legal jurisdiction, it's okay. The rest of the world will continue to get along just fine without you.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

My dear child....

Please, project the kings English correctly Take deep breaths and then, only then should you type in order to present your sentences with clarity and logic to the public.

Other wise it looks as if you are just being a copy cat (plagiarism) who is trying to reproduce the words of the previous poster due to the fact that you have neither intellectual capacity nor original thought processes to call your own.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

"So...why keep reading?"

"LOL....Triple time!"

Observing incoherent behavior is interesting.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I do certainly agree...."Observing incoherent behavior is interesting." You have demonstrated that with your attempts at defending the behavior of one teacher, amongst hundred, who are sexually attracted to "post pubescent" teenagers. Now, before you go into total mental confusion and melt down again...look the words up for a better understanding.

It is apparent from the majority of the posts on here that society will not agree with you or anyone else on matters pertaining to individual "alleged" adults who are legally mandated, paid and certified to guide our children into adulthood. If those adults are unable to maintain their standards, morals, or ability to control their sexual appetites in those areas, then they should turn in their teaching certificates and open a brothel instead! Somewhere along the line, you and your followers got turned around and forgot that the mothers and fathers of this society, who truly love and adore their children, will never condone this type of behavior towards them when they are small or as they are being prepared to move into the adult world,

So, if you feel slighted that I can't, won't and will never agree with you or others like you.....

I really don't give a rat's %#@ !!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

"Wow, who forgot to wash your jock strap?"

"Talk about privacy? So, whose post is this "Forum Post: Texas Teacher Sentenced to Five Years in Prison for Having Sex with Five Students"

"Posted 1 week ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 10:07 a.m. EST by LeoYo (704) "

"So, whose behavior and boudoir experiences got you all hot under the collar? Me thinketh thou protesteth too mucheth my man!"

"LOL---DOUBLE TIME!!!"

Wow, the incoherence of your reply really shows just how loony you truly are.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

So...why keep reading?

LOL....Triple time!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

So, in your loonytunes world, you claim to defend sex for

"adults who have more in mind than just F for the sake of F anything with genitals"

and feel very good about your "idealism".

Well then that's just too bad for you as whatever two or more consenting adults have in mind is simply none of yours or anyone else's business. That's the problem with idiots like you. You feel that other people's private lives are subject to your scrutiny and desired prohibitions. Justice in distinguishing between the proper jurisdictions of professional matters and legal matters has no meaning to you if it doesn't sanctify your desire to govern the private behavior of other consenting adults. This desire to have the activities of consenting adults controlled reflects a deficit in your own life pertaining to your own sense of control. No matter how much you may try to hide or deny it, your sense of helplessnees is all too apparent in the world order you have no control of.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Wow, who forgot to wash your jock strap?

Talk about privacy? So, whose post is this "Forum Post: Texas Teacher Sentenced to Five Years in Prison for Having Sex with Five Students

Posted 1 week ago on Aug. 18, 2012, 10:07 a.m. EST by LeoYo (704) "

So, whose behavior and boudoir experiences got you all hot under the collar? Me thinketh thou protesteth too mucheth my man!

LOL---DOUBLE TIME!!!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Where did I say the things you accuse me of? My reasons for posting the article were posted from the beginning just as your responses have revealed your inability to accurately read an article and distinguish between legal adults and children, leaving it to your loonytunes imagination to project non-existent situations. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Not very original with your responses. Look, you like to defend sex with post pubescence, I defend sex as an act between two consenting adults who have more in mind than just F for the sake of F anything with genitals. So, on that note, I feel very good about my idealism....do you? Besides, if you want to protest sexual needs and deviant attitudes, go to the right forum idiot since you are so hung up on it! (play on words) Who cares???

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

not the voting age.. the age of consent.. i mean.. if your too young and stupid to buy alchohol you should also be too young and stupid to vote, choose to die in the military, have sex, go into debt, etc etc. men are visual,, women are sensual.. its not the same.

[-] 3 points by jbgramps (159) 2 years ago

You’re right. You can join the military at seventeen, go to war, kill or be killed. But we think they’re too immature to vote or buy alcohol. I’m an old guy and was drafted and carrying a rifle in Viet Nam at age 18, but couldn’t vote. That always bothered me.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

If one is too immature to determine one's sexual interactions or alchohol consumption, one should not be considered mature enough to affect local and national laws and leadership.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

true enough.. but.. the only restriction is alcohol so theres that. but back to the point - teachers , or any individual in a position of authority over kids cannot have sex with them do you really think they did not know this woman before turning 18? that she just appeared after they turned 18? no.. she knew them long before that... and as predators do she groomed them, flirted, gave concessions, probably since they were freshmen! i might buy it if it were a fact that they had never met before they turned 18 but they were just boys being toyed with by a women that knew they would eventually turn 18 if she just waited.. one more year then another. ..

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Really? She groomed them, flirted, gave concessions? I didn't read any of that in the article. Perhaps it could be pointed out.

All that is known from the article I read is that she had sex in her home with five legally adult students and that due to her status as a teacher, she's going to prison. She's not going to prison because she knew them before they turned 18. She's not going to prison because of allegations of grooming or flirting with them before they turned 18. She's going to prison because of a Texas law that prohibits sex between teachers and students even if it's in the privacy of a home with students who are consenting adults.

No one has to appreciate the sexual decisions of mutually consenting adults on private property but a penalty of imprisonment for just one simply due to a professional status is not warranted. If there was an inappropriate relationship before the students became 18, it should be pointed out but if it's only imagined, it has no basis on the reality of the matter.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

i think thats where you lose common sense.. kids in high school are not consenting adults. many still hold even colleges responsible for the consenting adults attending those. just because this was a woman on boy situation, it is not being reported or investigated as thoroughly, if this had been a man with 4 girls you would see that.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

A consenting adult is 18 and above whether they're in high school or not and the law that was violated applies to all teacher/student relationships whether the students are 14 or 40. She would have been just as guilty of the law had she been teaching a night school class and had sex in her home with a 40 year old student attending to get his diploma.

A man with four 18 year old consenting women doesn't change a thing. It's either legal consent or it isn't.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Somewhat like "legitimate rape"....huh?

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

How so?

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I totally agree.

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

the fact that we care who other people screw, is just a shame.

[-] 2 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

Few people care what strangers screw each other. Parents, however, have a personal interest in their children. They seem to be of the opinion that the teachers should not be having sex with their student.

I think you'll find a lot of universities and colleges have regulations about it to guard against harassment by instructors in a position of power too.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Well, I care......and basically for this female idiot to be brought up on charges, someone, somewhere had to have spilled the beans about the whole porn scene that was taking place, ever think of that? So who was it? The husband? Immunity by law. The Students? What makes anyone think any of them would F*** and never tell? The School system? She got paid to do a job, to give moral values to teens, regardless of what grade they are/were in. That comes with the responsibility of being a teacher, a leader, a guide. So obviously, she didn't give a damn about the legal codes and responsibilities that come with the position. The community? If so, hopefully family values exist somewhere. In order for a crime to have been committed, there has to be a victim....so, which victim came forward? And what makes you think your sexually biased opinions carry more weight than any of the above?

[-] 0 points by GovTheives (-30) 2 years ago

Wish I had a teacher like that when I was in school

[-] -1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

i would like to be such a student. she made a dream job. i think those students must protect her somehow. FREE PUSSY RIOT

[-] -1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

Lets not forget to mention that all 5 students were CONSENTING ADULTS

Another example of government overregulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

exactly - the other adults including the Husband should be doing as much time as the woman. If it was wrong for one of the adults - it was wrong for all of the adults.

[-] -2 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

Why should it be considered wrong at all? Shouldn't adults be free to date whom they want? What about employee employer relations? An employer could take advantage no? I guess it depends how much control we want the government to have in our adult lives.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

's@nTy' : What does this have to do with 'OWS' in your opinion ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

I'm writing an article on the Occupy forum. I'm interested in knowing what people talk about here. Is 's@nTy' some kind of code or insult?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

No, you're not & yes/no/maybe, lol !!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not really over regulation - as much as none of the governments business.

These "are" social issues - but they are not going to change anything by enacting a sort of prohibition and punish only one of the involved parties/adults.

These issues are for teaching of values - teaching recognition of right and wrong - and the understanding of why things should be looked at in that manner ( of right and wrong ) - what are consequences of certain actions - why those consequences happen.

This is only one more breakdown in the fabric of society.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

Age doesn't enter into it. There is a law that tries to prevent teachers from abusing a position of power over the student.

[-] -2 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

If a teacher and a student are both in their 20s, 30s, 40s, etc... They shouldn't be allowed to date? If the student is an adult, does he or she really need the government to intervene to protect him or her? Isn't he or she old enough to see if a teacher is abusing his or her powers to get him or her in the sack? If we really need the government to protect adults in this way, shouldn't that apply to all other power relations? Should an employee not be allowed to date his or her employer, after all, that's even more of a power relationship, no? I thought Occupy was about getting the government out of our lives so we could empower ourselves. Do we really need the government to babysit adults?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

's@nTy' : You claim to be a journo in search of an OWS story yet you sought out this thread - which is entitled to be here but is NOT a core 'OWS' matter, in order to give voice and vent to some obviously, very closely held, personal opinions on the matter.

You clearly have an interest in gender and sexual politics ; very much like an individual who was once thought of well on this forum (for about 3 weeks last November, lol). Indeed your voice very much echoes that individual who often posted from the psychedelic psycho-sexual, demimonde of ex-pat Bali. Ergo, I (more than) question your ...

bona fides hic ...

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Any and everything to derail the Occupy narrative. To make the website a clusterfuck of talkingpoints, and anything else to make the forum fit the Fox News narrative of Occupy. Is it Mark Janssen again, or someone else paid to do the same type of hack work? Who knows. It is a sign that someone fears Occupy enough to pay people to trash the conversation in any way they can. That they fear Occupy, makes me happy. The TeaParty, The Democrats, the Republicans, none of them have my interest in mind. So it is with Occupy that I stand. Now, and until the problems are solved.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

SOLIDARITY to you & all you do 'rkg' !!! You do good work here & your blog is clearly a labour of love !!

Keep On Keepin' On !

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 0 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

? That was strange. I have no idea what or who you are talking about. Is 's@ndy' some kind of code?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Sssshhh now 'Trashy' - cos you know better than to take me on !!

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

Can you explain to me what you are referring to? You sound quite angry.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

LOLOLOL !!! 'Transference' ; 'Projection' & 'Annoyed' - much ?!! At least you made me smile Trashy buddy - but that may have more to do with my team leading in the Rugby League Challenge Cup Final !

Oh happy daze {:-p) & remember ...

temet nosce ...

[-] -1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

I'm sorry. I really don't understand you. You don't want to explain what you are talking about? Is this a game of some sort? You seem to write in codes?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

On the chance that you are not who we think you are, another thing to keep in mind is that this forum has been beset by trolls from the beginning. There are a lot of people out there that want to take down this movement and they oftentimes focus on this forum as a place to divide, conquer, you name it. They've tried just about everything.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

no counter forum as far as I am aware

[-] -1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

From what I've seen around the country I can tell you this site represents only a small fraction of Occupy. I don't think someone could take down such a large movement by attacking this site.

I'm only interested in surveying this particular site. It doesn't matter what the reaction is. I'm going to write about what I experience. There's no good or bad. The article is of the type - "Here's what you can expect if you join this forum."

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

I never said the forum was a big part of the movement and that taking down the forum would take down the movement! Pretty silly! However, there are a number of people who would like to take down Occupy as a movement and the forum being a small part of that, they do focus here quite a bit.

Now, you go ahead and write your article, because obviously in the one day you've been here you know more than all of us. Like I said, good luck.

[-] -1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

I know a lot about Occupy because our magazine published a lot of articles on the subject, but I don't know much about this website. It's the first time we focus solely on the online aspect of Occupy.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

Good luck. You have a lot of material in the archives to research.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Awwwww ... dedums {:-p) - "sowwy" !!!

too funny for latin ...

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

Read the forum and perhaps you'll figure it out.

[-] 1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

I will. What I am understanding so far is that there is a lot of animosity towards new users.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

That's not true at all. Some of our best posters are fairly new users. Do you know how to click on a person's moniker to get the date that they joined? Also, I saw you question builder about that being his real name. If you are going to write about a forum like this, you really need to understand the importance of anonymity here. Very few people give their real names. I am certainly not Beautiful World in real life.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

'Sowwy' but I beg to differ with your last sentence, lol ~{~

respice ; adspice ; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

You are far too sweet. LOL!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I'm bitter & twisted in Real Life tho', I'll hv u know, lol !!!

e tenebris ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

Doubt it! LOL!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

RRRrrrrrrumbled, lol ! ;-) & anyway - cd b if my tm loses !! Perish The Thought !!!

2nd half just kicked off ...

et spero meliora !!

[-] 0 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

I stated in one of my comments to zendog that I won't be using real names in my article. I asked builder because he was asking who I was. I guess I got annoyed because very few users here want to discuss Occupy. Most people have been insinuating that I'm someone else and have been acting like forum policemen when interacting with me. It's going to be my main theme for the article. There's a lot of paranoia here.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

This forum is not for the faint of heart. Those of us who have been here a long time have withstood many attacks against the forum by people who want this movement to go away. I'd say it's not really paranoia, it's more about being aware.

[-] 1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

Why did you choose to participate in this forum and what are your expectation for Occupy's second year? Are you pushing a particular ideology?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

I came home from Zuccotti Park one day and signed in and have been here ever since. I push for an economy that works for all people not just the wealthy and corporations. I tend toward being a libertarian socialist. I want the nation to have a sweeping change to it's ethos so that it can move forward and away from the capitalistic consumption based economy that we're in right now that has clearly failed the majority of people.

[-] 1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

So you participated in the Zuccotti Park activities at the beginning of Occupy? Did you attend general assemblies and protests? Did you camp in the park?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

I never camped in the park, but I spent time there. The best way to fit participating in OWS into my personal life is here on the forum. I think you'll find that that is true of many of the people here. We're often far away from any activities (this is true of myself now) and we have many other responsibilities with jobs, parenting, etc.

[-] 2 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

The Internet keeps us connected. I think it's one of the defining aspects of this protest.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"New" ?!!! LOLOL !! Mwah !

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

LOLOL, shadz, that is so funny!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Tell you what's funnier 'bw' ! Re. the game - my team actually just equalised !!

I got all mixed up in the hullabaloo, here ; there & everywhere, lololol !!!

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

Great! Enjoy! : )

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Only two points down at half time ! Game On - there's still a lot to play for !!

Onwards & Upwards - even when it's sideways and backwards sometimes !!!

ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

LOL! Like Occupy.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 2 years ago

The law was most likely written to prevent male teachers from using a position of power to gain an advantage over female students, but the intent is not relevant. It covers public school students, so it's unlikely to involve anyone over 20. I'm not making a moral judgement on the law, or the teacher for that matter. The law is simply there and has to be followed or changed.

In a hypothetical case of a 30 or 40 year old, of normal mental abilities, returning to high school. Under this law he/she would not be allowed to date the teacher. It's likely that the teacher will still be there and dating can begin after graduation.

Laws are often reactions to problems, they make a general rule in response to what an outraged mob wants at the moment. Apparently the people of Texas felt the answer to your last question should be yes they want government babysitting adults.

I dodn't believe there are laws prohibiting dating between employer and employee but companies do put policies into effect. As with the laws those policies often come as a reaction to a past problem or lawsuit. The answer here is it shouldn't be necessary for companies or universities to regulate adult behavior. Unfortunately it seems that not everyone that has accumulated a lot of birthdays is actually an adult though. Sexual harassment complaints and lawsuits have forced regulation.

I'm not sure I know what Occupy does or doesn't want. You'll find people complaining about government over regulation one minute then demanding regulation the next. It just depends on the regulation.

[-] -1 points by sandysterling (10) 2 years ago

That was a thorough reply, thanks.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

America loves prisons. Just watch MSNBC late night on the weekend. Before the five years, you will probably get to see her on TV. Now that my friends, that is perversion.

Sex with a consenting adult, the bible recommends it over masturbating and that is legal. Or is it?

[-] -1 points by wellhungjury (296) 2 years ago

She was born that way.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Good grief! Does an 18 year old even know where to put it?

I mean, why is it like dogs in heat with these people?

Where are the moral values of being a teacher, vs a sex addict? People, wake up...you can't have it both ways. Now, if this is the norm for most of you out there, then why do you wonder about the decline of the youth of this country and elsewhere?

Somewhere adults are perverted in their own thinking if they feel these types of relationships are proper. I wouldn't want this for my son, or daughter or anyone at this stage in their lives! They have no clue about adulthood let alone handling invasive physical sexual relationships which are initiated by bitches in heat or uncontrollable testosterone men! If these victims are ever considered consenting adults, why aren't they in their own homes (the students) not still in school being raised, educated and and supported financially by their parents or guardians?

Anyone who thinks this is OK is not only a fool, but surely does not have the moral right to try to raise any children on their own either!

Get these perverts away from the young who they are preying upon!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

If 18 is truly too young for moral responsibility, people should support having the voting age raised.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Moral/financial/voting? What does one have to do with the other? If they can financially support themselves, then they sure as hell have an idea about handling their sexual behavior...or else they haven't learned a damn thing and voting is a crock anyway!. Now, it just doesn't work that way in this country because most individuals live in a dream state anyway and most of society is promiscuous anyhow...so there really is no basis to expect anything different!

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

One's financial status does not inform one's sexual behavior. At best, it either empowers it or restricts it.

Either a society considers people to be responsible for their actions at a certain age, regardless of financial status, or it doesn't.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Well, Have the considerations of this society done much for the government's wishy washy actions or corporations infiltrations and buy offs of it? Has societies considerations done much for the exploitation of our youth, or the lewdness they are exposed to everyday? Has societies considerations done anything about the downtrodden or any of the many reasons OWS exists as well as the world carnage and protests continue? Now, how in gods name do we expect individuals (minors and the majority of adults) to have control over their own actions, let alone those who are in positions supposedly educating, instructing and guiding them or even raising them for that matter? So once again, this nation and its people are all sleep walking when it comes to life, reality and social responsibilities! Or haven't you all noticed?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Negative Much?

[-] -1 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

The intent of the law is to discourage the disruption and destruction of family. The impact on her children, whether these actions were statutory or not, whether it involves prison or not, is still highly detrimental. And I know this because I've witnessed it. The problem we have had is that these actions continue to occur against all attempts to discourage so I applaud Texas for raising the bar to ensure more sensitivity, more concern, of motherhood for the emotional well being of children and the preservation of that family she herself selfishly created.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

That's MBM.

If the impact on her children were a consideration, she wouldn't be going to prison. If an intent to discourage the disruption and destruction of the family were an issue, adultery by any parents would have the same enforced penalty. Her private sexual activity, which may or may not have been with her husband's consent, with adult students, becoming known to the public is grounds for being fired, not sent to prison.

Six consenting adults engaged in a 'crime' but only one is going to prison...the one who actually has a family.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

The one going to prison took advatage of her position of trust and power over high school students to turn them into sexual prey. Not unlike 50 year old US presidents that prey on 18 year old interns and then lie to grand juries about it. But that's ok becuse the he kept the Dow high.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Right. The menacing woman took advantage of those poor delicate flowers of 18 year old male innocence. How horrible it must have been for all five of them to have been intimidated by a single woman. When will horny young men finally receive the protection they deserve from the great threat of older women?

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I heard vampire poetry class was ruthless

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

The woman betrayed her position of trust and power over high school teen agers.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

And just how did she do this? Did she threaten them with failing grades if they didn't have sex with her? What trust and power did she excercise in her position with five legally adult males? What was she able to do in her position as a teacher that she would not have been able to do had she not been a teacher?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

The teacher knowingly violated her contract, knowing violated the rules of the school district, knowingly violated the state felony laws, knowingly violated the teenagers that she was responsible for, and perhaps the most egregious knowingly brought shame and financial hardship on her own children.

When she gets out of jail she will be a registered sex offender with restrictions on where she and her family can live. As a result it is likely that she will lose permanent custody of her children, she will never teach school again or be put in a position of authority. She will probably be ineligible to clean toilets at the city bus station.

And for what? So she could molest teenagers half her age? If nothing else this incident is a testament to her stupidity, thoughtless, and disregard for the welfare of her own children.

How did she ever get a job teaching kids; and where was her supervisor, principal, and board of Ed?

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

You didn't answer the question. You made a claim of her power over high school teenagers. How was that power used?

As for the allegations you've just made, did you derive all of those allegations from some verifiable source, or are you just making it up as you go?

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Texas Educator Contract:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/ED/htm/ED.21.htm#21.002

Teacher Educator code of ethics in Texas:

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=2147489963

Texas Felony Law:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/ED/htm/ED.37.htm

Texas Sexual Predator Registration law:

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/SorNew/index.aspx https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/Support/Faq/index.aspx?PageIndex=Index&QuestionID=295&AreaID=1

On each point noted in the previous post the teacher had prior knowledge of her responsibilities to her students and the consequences of her actions. She had to sign her contract with her school district, and like every teacher in Texas was given a copy of the code of ethics. The harm that she has done to her own three children is incalculable.

The teacher betrayed her position of trust and power over high school teenagers. From the ACSA Directive:

Ethical standards, training, certification language, professionalism and basic common sense dictate that there is never a situation that considers a sexual relationship between a PK-12 educator and his or her student as consensual. Even is the student is the aggressor, the educator is the adult, in a position of power, control and trust and must act as a professional. It was especially an egregious act for the school counselor because of the added trusting relationship of one-on-one individual counseling.

In June 2010 the ASCA Delegates from 50 states strengthened this stance when they voted in new Ethical Standards A.1.g and A.1.h.: A.1. Responsibilities to Students: Professional school counselors: g. Understand that professional distance with a student is appropriate and any sexual or romantic relationship with a student whether illegal in the state of practice is considered a grievous breach of ethics and is prohibited regardless of a student’s age. h. Consider the potential for harm before entering into a relationship with a former student or one of their family members.

Sexual conduct laws specifically pertaining to child/educator: This category includes the 15 states that have specific laws (Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas). Laws pertaining to those in a position of power: This category includes the states without specific laws naming educators but with laws about persons in a position of authority or control over another person (Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Tennessee and Vermont).

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

I stand corrected.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

You have no idea how these things effect children in schools or how cruel other children can be; overnight they become social outcasts. And then the law steps in, to ensure they are properly cared for and receive all necessary counseling - it's a nightmare. And usually accompanied by a divorce because in most cases the wife does not have the husband's consent or participation.

I understand the desire to participate sexually... had she not chosen her own students she would not be in jail now.

The intent of the law is to discourage such uncaring thoughtless acts.

It's not about sex or sexuality - it's about preserving the stability that the minds of children require, and if it were me - these boys are adults and they violated he law, destroying the children - I'd put them in prison, too.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

If the intent of the law is to discourage such uncaring thoughtless acts, the ones responsible for text messaging and cell phone video would be held accountable. It's certainly not about preserving the stability that the minds of children require. The mother is going to prison. That has nothing to do with consideration for the minds of her children. It has only to do with the fact that she's a school teacher. If she weren't a teacher, it wouldn't have been an issue.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

Making an example of those that carelessly destroy - and these children have already been destroyed; there in no change of venue now or in the future that can afford an innocent peace - has everything to do with the preservation of children. The problem is that the Left cares not who is sacrificed in the fulfillment of a cerebral justice, lives mean nothing as long as their social "justice" is advanced. What's even sadder is that I know on the personal level that the male in this case, was likely the prime motivator. Women need to regain their sexual, and thereby personal, power.

Not to worry... we are not evil (collectively) and this statement is sufficient; the wrong shall be righted.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Like I've pointed out, adultery by any parents would have the same enforced penalty if it were about children and if she hadn't been a teacher, it wouldn't have been an issue.

[-] -1 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

There are a lot of stupid and irresponsible people in the world who should probably not be parents, you know that right? Had the participants been non-students the videos would not have circulated amongst students; it would never have attracted the attention of teachers and parents, nor attained this level of notoriety. As is stands now, everybody in the US has been informed. I'm not condemning the acts; I'm condemning the wanton jeopardy of her children. There has to be some form of deterrent because these issues, despite all the notoriety, continue to plague us.

Sexual exploratory idiosyncrasies actually align along cultural subsets in this country; it's a pretty interesting.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

If the participants had been in their early twenties, the videos still could have circulated among high school students. It's only because the participants were teacher AND students that its publicity became a legal issue.

Like it or not, her children are not a legal consideration in the matter. Mothers can be strippers, swingers, and even porn stars. If Child Services should have reason to conclude that children are not being adequately cared for, they have the legal empowerment to remove a child from a household. If a teacher's relationship with adult students is deemed inappropriate for her professional status, that teacher can be dismissed. And if a teacher has sex with an underaged student, that teacher should go to prison. However, sex between consenting legal adults is not a matter for incarceration simply because of a professional status.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

I think you'll find that the law of texas disagrees with you, that in itself is an issue - a teacher should not break the law, especially as relates to sexual matters; should sex be a legal matter? Yes, in some cases I believe it should but my views also relate to issues of ethics - I don't believe in military fraternization, I don't believe the a boss should sleep with a subordinate, and I don't believe that professors should sleep with students.

The law is perhaps overly harsh; still I personally feel this matter of teachers with students is highly detrimental and there have been so many incidents, which defy all rationality, that it has reached almost pandemic proportions. It's time to drop the hammer. So I'm going, "Hell Yea" for Texas.

By the way, the last thing any reasonable parent wants to do is openly invite CPS. In cases of real need they are too little too late; more often they are but a persecutor - a nightmare - and even at times a lever employed by school districts against parents who simply ask for too much. It's a horrible organization.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Well of course the law of Texas disagrees with me. The diagreeable nature of that law is the very subject of the post.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 2 years ago

Yea... well, I made my point; time for you to go make yours, ehh? I hope this works itself out.

[-] -1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Mutually consenting adults agree to having sexual relations in the privacy of a home and only one gets sentenced for this 'crime' while the others are referred to as 'victims'.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

A child is 100 times more likely to be molested by a public school teacher than a Catholic Priest. Where are the law suits and prosecutions of the administrators, union leaders, and school boards that let this happen?

[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

A child is not 18 years old.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not considered as such by the law in most instances - so that it is OK to send them off to war - but Hey don't let those 18yr old adults buy alcohol. They are not mature enough to do so responsibly so we will make the young adults wait until they are 21 for that - but let em go to war and kill people is no big deal - no maturity required there.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

You should not let politicians send your kids off to war, no mater their age.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Mature enough to vote but not mature enough to drink. What does that say about this country's standards?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

they need fresh bodies on the war fields?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Tad bit messed-up.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

By the way, it looks like you've decided to remain on the forum. If so, glad to see it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28203) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you. The post said that I may be leaving - it was made to get supporters to stop and think about other supporters and to consider that we do not need to fight with each other. I was trying to say enough is enough - talk to each other talk to the forum that lets us be here to gather and discuss and organize and share. I was also talking to the forum as it seems like the infighting is OK - and it is not.

United we move forward.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

You may change your attitude when it happens to your 18 year old daughter.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5758) 2 years ago

Nope.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Or just dont move to Texas.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Why should high school kids be sexual prey for teachers in any State?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

They obviously shouldnt. And if they are, the teacher should be prosecuted.