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Forum Post: Stoopid news; Residents In More Than A Dozen States Petition White House To Secede From United States

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 12, 2012, 9:38 p.m. EST by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI
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[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Wait wait. This is even more hilarious. For every dollar that Alabama pays to the Federal government it recieves back $1.96 of funding and benefits from the Federal government.

Most all these states are net takers from the Federal Govt. Jeesh look at those moochers in Mississippi and S. Carolina.

Arkansas 1.08, Colorado .78, Florida 1.39, Georgia 1.11, Indiana 1.13, Kentucky 1.57, Michigan 1.56, Mississippi 2.73, Missouri 1.09, Montana 1.77, New Jersey .77, New York 1.0, North Carolina 1.29, North Dakota 1.07, Oregon 1.40, South Carolina 2.13 and Tennessee 1.21.

I don't know the math on it, but I think it's fair to say letting these guys secede would be a good start in reducing the debt.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/the-map-that-proves-red-staters-use-the-safety-net-too.php

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No - if they seceded - we would likely send them billions of dollars in foreign aid.

[-] 1 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

oh fine we'll give them foreign aid. Texas.

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Chinese and Russians know what is besom and how to break it up ;)

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Thomas Jefferson - excerpt from the Declaration of Independence

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

This means nothing. A bunch of terrified whites scared of a brown country.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

lets all chip in $1 each and pay Mexico to take back Texas & Arizona

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Let's keep texas & Arizona & send the 400k signers to Utah. There are no people there anyway.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Atlanta wants to secede from Georgia now.

[-] 0 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

nobody likes big brother.

[-] 1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

obama does.

[-] 0 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

the beginning of the end

[-] -1 points by tatewaki (5) from Lauderhill, FL 1 year ago

Change is painful, but necessary.

We are the UNITED States. Don't want to embrace unity? Get the fuck out. And then we'll nuke you till you glow and retake you. 'Murica!! :P

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

im not sure you know what you saying. sarcastically speaking its very possible

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Texas has over 80K signers. That's about 5% of the registered voters. I would think a lot of OWS would be happy with some States seceding.. I see so many posts about bringing down the federal government and changing how thing work I thought more OWS folks would be interested in this. These petitions are driven by folks disappointed in the federal government. Maybe OWS should support this effort.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think 80k is 1% of the 8million who voted in Texas. So therefor it is probably less than 1/2 a percent of registered voters. And therefore some insignificant fraction of the 26 million population.

And since it is right wing extremists why would you think OWS would support them?

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

So, the question is, if you think they're all right wing extremists maybe OWS should support them secedeing just to get rid of them. You'll be happier and they'll be happier. Problem solved. right?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I just signed the white house petition to strip the secessionists of their citizenship and deport/exile them. Whatever political persuasion.

But yeah I think we would be better off without the right wing extremists.

Don't you?

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Well good for you. Free speech and all that. Just remember that approximately half the population fit your definition of right wing extremist. So much for thinking you represent the 99%. The thing you should realize is the right and left hate each other with such venom no reasonable discussion is possible. I’ll say it again, both the left and right would rather see the nation in flames or split apart before they will talk to each other. To continue to spew hate from you or anyone else just continues the hate.

As for the petitions, I didn’t sign them; and I’m a Texan. There is no chance this will be taken seriously. It’s just a way for people to let the feds know they don’t like how things are going. Harmless fun. Wait, maybe the start of a movement.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

i would estimate that only 20% of repub voters are right wing extremists & that translates to 12 million people which that is no where near half the 315 million population of the US

And I recall (to my dismay) that dems always compromise with repub/conservatives.

So I submit it is only the uncompromising right wing extremists who would "rather see the nation in flames" before they talk to each other (case in point: the tea party credit downgrade after they held the full faith & credit of the US hostage during the debt ceiling debate)

Remember?

[-] -2 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Yea, I remember when the House held the nation hostage. I was PO’ed about it. Not the right way to get it done. And, for whatever it’s worth, I think Grover Norquist is dangerous to the nation; and the Tea Party is on its last legs. But I also believe OWS is on their last legs, more so than the Tea Party. OWS is just a dangerous to the country as the right wing extremists. Just my two cents.

I disagree with your figures who the republican voters are. I maintain most are seriously conservative; to the point of hating any liberal. Just like the liberals hate ALL conservatives. Maybe you’re the exception. As I said I didn’t sign the petitions, but I agree with Texas Gov. Rick Perry. He’s not for Texas seceding, but understands why people don’t like the federal government.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Perry WAS for secession a few years ago. LOL

I believe OWS is just gettin started, 1 year old. The tea party I do not think is dead. I think the next couple of months will be telling as the repub party fights over who is responsible for the loss.

We'll see how they do.

"liberals hate ALL conservatives"? Nah if you understood liberals you would know they are tolerant accepting people. Hate is not a big part of their makup. They ARE vehemently against conservative policy, and a few extremist conservative leaders (not all) engender great animosity. but just a few.

I HOPE your contention that most conservatives hate any liberal is not true. I don't believe that.

Peace

[+] -4 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

I think we can do a lot better without the illegals and the mooooslims in our Country

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You would.

But you are absolutely wrong!

There are too few muslims to create any real problems, and we need immigrants because we are a nation of immigrants that benefits from new people/workers. Always.

The right wing extremists (and their policies) are at the root of all our problem. They ain't happy. Let them go.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Broadcasting your discrimination again huh? Why are you really on this forum, because you sure as hell aren't here for the benefit of the working class or Occupy in general. The election is over, go away.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The election IS over! But if there are posts about secession, I can state that the secessionists are right wing extremists. Right?

And I have & will always contend that all our problems are rooted in conservative (right wing extremist) policy.

Acknowledging the root of our problems is required if we are to successfully resolve them. Not election related at all.

I encourage all people to get in the streets, protest all politicians forthe progressive change we need to resolve the catastrophe that conservative (right wing extremist) policy has created.

You are trying to get me to "go away" because I challenge the right wing extremist conservative policies that created all our problems.

What discrimination are you accusing my of?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Now doubling down on your discrimination. Don't mind me, I'm following your lead and calling it like I see it. Discrimination and party pandering above truth and fact is your purpose on this forum and because you do it for the left, that makes you a left-wing extremist. Doesn't it.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Nope. You have brought up the election. I suppose as a distraction from the inflation debate which you lost!

You have resorted to personally attacking me as a red herring because you can't argue the facts.

What discrimination have I "doubled down" on?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Being annoying and cross breading threads doesn't hide your left wing extremism or discrimination.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What discrimination are you accusing me of? (that's 3x I've asked, why won't you provide evidence?)

Just more unfounded personal attacks in lieu of a fact based debate?

[+] -4 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

You seem like a left-wing fear monger

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What fear am I mongering?

[-] -1 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

That is all you do on here is spread hate about the right. How can we ever possibly ever come together, and work out a solution???

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

What hate have I spread? That sounds like unfounded accusations.

And we can come together when enough people stop demonizing immigrants, minorities, LGBT, women, the poor.

That is when we will work out a solution.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Excuse me, but wasn't it you, who just claimed Detroit is "littered" with Muslims?

That's a racist, inflammatory statement.

[-] -3 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

Detroit is littered with muslims and we no longer need illegals because their is enough citizens out of work that can do the work the illegals do

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are such a racist. If we're gonna start getting rid of people I vote for the racists being the1st to go.

Peace

[-] -3 points by DogBone (-201) 1 year ago

Why do you say my comment is racist?? If someone enters certain other Countries illegally they are either shot or imprisoned. It should be the same way over here also. If an illegal climbs the fence then blast them, it will not take long for them to get the message.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Because you have used the racist slurs "spic", "nigger", "illegals", as well as the slur "retarded".

So you are clearly racist, & hateful.

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Well, I don’t use any of your words except “illegal”, but that’s not racist. Dogbone is right. Think about it a while and you’ll probably agree.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Dogbone is right"? So his use of "spic" and "nigger" does not make him racist because you use "illegals" and claim it ain't racist?

We'll rather than go with the racists definition. I'm gonna go with the latino people who say that the term "illegals" is denigrating and offensive.

I mean if it's all the same to the racists?

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Oops, looks like you just used those same words.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

To describe what others said. Yes that's why I used quotes.

Are you familiar with the meaning of using quotes?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Do you think it reads any more comfortably for someone who those words may be aimed at? To read them again, in any context?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I suppose they might be uncomfortable but most likely they would want know who is a racist, and what kind of racist slurs they are spewing.

Besides my comment clearly attributes the slurs to the person who spewed them and most people understand that.

Do you?

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

illegal is a slur? illegals are commiting a felony. retarded? thats a mental catagory. dont be pushed by p.c speech.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"p c speech"? I'd say the offensiveness of "retarded" should be determined by the advocates of the mentally ill. They have determined it is not "correct" to use the term as an insult.

So I prefer to respect the advocates who are caring for their loved ones, rather than the guy using "spic", "nigger" & and every other hurtful slur.

LOL.

I don't think about "p.c. speech", And I won't be pushed be hateful people.

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

you have been brainwashed into "p.c'" garbage.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think thedems welcome all peoples to the movement.

"hate all black republicans"? you mean all 7? LMFAO.

I don't think dems hate black, or hispanic, or gay repubs. I think there is profound confusion and sympathy for their misguided loyalties but in the end they will come around to know that repubs are not looking out for there best interests.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree. Dems are inclusive, Your repubs are divisive. That is why womyn voted dem, 75% asian, 75% hispanic, 93% blacks.young people voted dems

The divisiveness of repubs is why they lost. Repubs were trying to give gifts, stuff, things to the wealthy and therest of us said. "no you don't"!

[-] 0 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

dems inclusive? thats a laugh, they hate all black republicans , call them " uncle toms" and traitors to their race. the dems also have no use use for hispanic republicans. WHY? because to the demented dem any non white has to a democrat.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are filled with hate for your fellow humans. Consumed by fear mongering conservative tactics to divide us and create support for their divisive agenda.

We're all in this together. Stop drawing lines.

[-] -1 points by ftrp (-95) 1 year ago

obama & co promote and thrive on divisivness.

[-] -2 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

You are absolutely right. We should close the southern border, evict current illegal’s and fine any employer hiring illegal’s. Actually most of that is already the law. As for Muslims, as long as they don't try to impose Sharia law or support terrorism I’m OK with a LEGAL immigrant. However, we should limit legal immigration to an as needed oppucation. Not racist at all. Just thinking about the welfare of the US.

[-] -1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

80K of 400K overall in Texas. I don't believe OWS will support this. Not on their agenda, but it's interesting no doubt.

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Yea, interesting, amusing, but not serious stuff. I kept thinking, "Wow, that's a lot of people to put on the no fly list"

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I didn't go to the trouble of counting the signers, but at a quick glance looks like about 400K people have signed the petitions in forty States so far. Texas alone has about 75K signers.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

400K is a lot. I'm joking about it but it shows a lot of people are not happy, or maybe they just sign for the hell of it.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

IIt’s interesting. But pointless. No State can legally secede. Still, what if the numbers climb into the millions within the thirty day window required for the White House to respond.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Illegality didn't stop the colonies from seceding from Great Britain.

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Current count is forty States.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I signed the new petition calling for all the secession signers to have their citizenship stripped and be deported.

"How ya like me now"?

LOL

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 1 year ago

You do realize 'deport' means to return someone to their home country? I think exile would be more accurate.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. You're right.

But once we strip their citizenship can't we deport them to their ancestral home? I mean no one except the indigenous native indians can call America their ancestral home.

I think using the term 'deport' might annoy the secessionists in a special way since they are also the people most against immigration.

In the end none of it is serious.

[-] 0 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

i have read the news about that. hehe

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