Forum Post: State of the Union. Are the gloves gonna come off?
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 24, 2012, 10:31 p.m. EST by DKAtoday
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Have we heard the announcement that the criminals free days are numbered? How long before we see action from the Attorney Generals Office?
We heard what sounds like a promise of action. Do you think the fireworks are about to begin?
He didn't say a word about Glass Steagall or regulating derivatives, not a word about doing anything meaningful to end political corruption, just smoke and mirrors (as usual). I'll probably vote for Obama, but only because he's slightly less horrible than a republican would be. Change will come in spite of Washington, not because of it (and frankly, it really doesn't matter which party is in control).
The first test will be if the deal with the banks giving them immunity for $25 billion, from prosecution on the fraud of robo-signing etc before there is a complete investigation. Subpoena the emails and the documentation I guarantee the cost to the banks should be in the $100 billion range. But Glass-Steagal is not enough because the "creativity of the financial industry" has innovated all the way around it. They owe their lives to us. Open the books, Daddy's home.
There is no "test" ... we can't test people who we know are players in a corrupt system to see if they're not corrupt. They'll probably try to make it look good, put their fingers in the wind, see if it plays well on the six o'clock news and take some polling data, and tell themselves, the sheeple are appeased (wink wink, now back to business).
Some things are binary and binary only. Others are measured within a range. People make decisions/choices based on relative positions between extremes.If you like white and have to choose, even temporarily, between a gray which is 20% black and one which is 80 % black you won't get white but the 20% may be preferable to you.
If they do the investigation to see what the damages are and exactly how they came about they may negotiate a plea bargain (I would prefer a trial with a guilty verdict followed by civil suits for restitution and punitive damages) that exacts a higher price from the culprits. Giving them immunity from prosecution by the states is terrible. But if they are going to get it at a price, it should be one which represents 80% disgorgement of their ill gotten gains than 20%.
The problem is we (the people) never get 80% of what we want, we don't even get 20%, we get pie in the sky tax schemes, credits, loopholes, deductions, and with every new idea comes 1,000 new government employees over here, 2,000 over there, etc. The pile grows and grows, Uncle Sam keeps handing us crap that we perceive as wins, because they shaped the conversation in the first place. All the while they're getting rid of good regulations (like Glass Steagall), one quid pro quo after the other, banks, big oil, military contractors, etc., always turn out to be the real benefactors, at our expense.
It's one giant whirlwind of bullshit. The system is so corrupt at this point, they don't even know it.
I agree that the water line, the reference point has moved so far that they really don't know where the line should be. It has been my generations failure to stay involved, engaged, rather than deferring and defaulting. Corruption is rampant, but whose responsibility is it to demand that it stop? It is ours. It has been, it still is and it will always be. We have to redraw the ethical line and make sure it isn't crossed with impunity. Some one answered a comment I made to the effect of, "Why do you think you know better than the experts, the full time politicians?" I do know, because I have spent the time and effort to learn and I am not being influenced b y somebody's money.
The way you say it, the whole game is not even worth playing. I believe those who take politics so seriously, loose their humanity. The reading of history tells me that when a generation releases the bull, another generation releases the bear. The bull has run its course now it's time for the bear to claw back the bullshit. so to speak...
That's the point ... I don't take it seriously :)
Most of what they did wasn't even illegal. That's the problem, the laws are flawed.
That is true. And the questions are, "Are those laws flawed as a random chance? Did an error just creep in that no one noticed? If they had seen it would it have been corrected? Are they just finding out now that it is flawed? Are they moving as quickly as possible to rectify the flaws? Or is there a more nefarious explanation for why this flaw (these flaws) just happen to benefit the group that contribute the most to the implementers of the laws?"
Aw gee, it was an accident. We didn't mean to. There are soooo many other thing we have to work on, naming post,offices, declaring national pancake syrup day, filibustering, blocking appointments., lunching with lobbyists (historians).
Surely, the laws didn't creep in by chance. But you can't put a banker in jail because he followed bad laws that were written a decade before his time.
Truthfully, I don't think jailing people is really all that important. What matters to me is that the laws are analyzed so that the loopholes are properly understood by experts. Then I hope that they can be fixed so that corruption can be kept to a minimum. I want the stage to change. Removing the actors is not enough.
Clearly, the flawed laws do not allow fraud and forgery of affidavits and hiring proxies to robo-sign is conspiracy at the least. I think jailing people who break laws of long standing is important There was such a climate of "anything goes" that unless severe penalties are levied I don't think we can get back to the point where people act as if "when it feels wrong it is probably illegal also, and I shouldn't do it." Conduct here went well beyond following bad laws that had been put in place by the influence of money.
They all know how fragile the derivatives still are.
Or at least, WallStreet is still telling them that.
Only when we have 100,000 or 200,000 or a million people on the streets, will they "begin" to take notice. For Washington insiders "the people" aren't who they serve, we're just those annoying fuckers they have to toss a bone to every once in a while (to keep us appeased).
Over 100,000 in Wisconsin got some press.
It's still taking a recall to stop Walker, and it will take more time and effort to reverse what he's done.
While we worry about National politics, the Koch's are very busy in the States.
So you want "bigger government" and more spending? Did you really listen to what the Obimination said. He wants to spend more of taxpayers money and be "selective" about who he gives your money to.
In other words it't not going to be for everyone just the "select few" who he feels deserves it.
That's what's been going on for 40 years or so, only the people that got selected for government largess was the corporations, hedge fund managers and ban$ters.
Now that the American people are suffering, because of all these decisions...Let's really cut their balls off! That's their only solution..
They make you dependent on their system..Then they want to cut you from the system to "save" it...
It's not saveable...It was already destroyed.
Or so you've been told.
meaning?
You will vote for Obummer because you are programed to do so, not because you thought it through logically.
I'll vote for him because he's less crazy than republicans .. doesn't mean I expect anything to change. It doesn't matter who's in office, except that Obummer probably won't be as insane as a republican would be (in terms of military adventurism).
LOL, read some history. I'm surprised you aren't a Ron Paul supporter.
They are all a bit nuts now aren't they? Oh Republican or Democrat doesn't matter...You'll get the same ol' same ol'...Obama will give you a nice speech though before he f*cks you..
See the picture: Envision the American populace as the abused, dependent house wife..Those few words of "I love you" and "This is for your own good", really make the difference before he slaps you to the ground....
You just keep coming back for more of this "love".
I'd vote for RP just to shake things up...Of course, he might be just like the rest....May as well role the dice.
Well put! Did you see that speech last night.....hahaha?!?! I call it "theatre". I broke out the popcorn and had a great time. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.
It's really such a joke...The things that these politicians need and the elites is some pitchforks and torches stuck up their asses...
Tar and Feather those Davos lunatics whose idea on saving the world require destroying most of it.
Lol ! I see you've got the big picture!
I believe he did say that if Congress sent him a bill banning insider trading by members of Congress, he would sign it . . .
here is the text of his speech
and if you give me a minute, I can find an excerpt . . .
just like he signed the military's power to hold people without disclosure indefinitely
I really wish some of you would take the time to read NDAA. There isn't this secret provision to detain Americans like you all seem to believe there is. A lot of you would benefit from reading legislation before getting your panties in a knot.
terrorism terrorist terror prosecution
You want to extend rights to someone who was born here and willfully pissed all over the constitution? no wonder some of the right wingers call you guys crazy
second from the bottom at the top
This is BS...I read it and it does give the military authority to detain anyone, with authorization from the President...
We just killed an American in Yemen without due process...Detaining belligerents is no biggie.
I have no problem with our government killing a terrorist be they American born or foreign born.
That's why this country is in trouble, people thinking it's OK to piss on the Constitution..
That freaking piece of paper and the ideas it represents, that everyone so willingly let's these politicians wipe their asses with, is the reason you people even have the limited freedoms you have now and getting chipped away at everyday.
I have a problem with anyone being the target of assassination by any government...
You would have to believe the government story and what was "alleged"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
They haven't proven shit. What does this mean? YOU can be taken or killed also based on whatever the government says about you.
We don't even know if this guy was actually killed either..He was rumored to be a CIA operative, just like Osama and Obama were.
The US can do whatever it wants...It doesn't make us good or right, we aren't morally superior...
We are now just the world's bully, where might makes right and everyone else who doesn't like it can get on boxcar to the FEMA camp..
When they kill an American citizen, they not only took his rights away, they took yours also.. You'll need to realize that.
When you advocate terrorism against the country our constitution was written to protect and preserve you throw away your rights under that constitution. The fact that you would advocate for a known terrorist is not only shameful but anti-American.
If what nick says is true, then it is offensive that this supposed criminal was not extradited to the US for a criminal trial before being killed. Terrorist or no, we are supposed to provide "due process" to every American that is accused of a crime.
IMO you forfeit that right when you take up arms against your own country.
But you and I have been given no proof that this man is actually a terrorist...All because the government says so doesn't make it so.. He has not been given his due process...and then again, like I said, the man may not even be dead...They haven't even tried to come up with a body have they...
You'll have to realize that our government is way more corrupt then you realize...Which plane was the only one flying after the 9/11 attacks...The plane with the Bin Laden's on it...
This google search seems to contradict your statement
https://www.google.com/search?q=anwar+al-awlaki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Of course you will spew the same crap the right wing spews about gov coverups and conspiracies... which im not saying dont happen but to claim that everytime facts dont fit your opinion is kind of lame.
Trouble is, I used to be a so called liberal and now I have no ideology that I go by, I don't need to label myself anything..After the 2008 financial collapse, which was a true conspiracy between government and corporation, I never will see things the same again..
That Google search means nothing. 0.0 Mr. Blutarski...
Conspiracy yes but not this grand scheme you see... in fact Elliot Spitzer was investigating the financials before his name was dropped as a client of that escort agency. But honestly regardless of your ideology right now we have a choice between a some what progressive democrat and a bunch of clowns on the right... dislike it as I may I will be voting for the dem once again... hopefully another ass whipping will bring some real conservatives into the picture for 2016.
Grand Scheme....Yes... as far as TPTB I was just born yesterday, even thought my chronological age is between 40 and 50..
The people in control of this particular period of time reside with the banking sector of the Rothschild sect and with no other aspiration as to completely control the rest of the world (humans).
All these things were done by the banking sector, with the help of their cronies in government, See Greece, See Italy, See Iceland , See Ireland....
No, it's not "The people" that have caused these problems, it's the banks and bank$ters. You are taught to believe that it is the people who obviously performed the misdeed.. But it is the entities in control, the individuals in power, who enable everything!
I may not be voting for anyone this time, all these people bring us is more misery...
I'd rather bury this corrupt system....
Participation...It's beneath me...That would mean I believe in this BS. I don't!
Article I section 8
The Congress shall have the power,
...
to declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:
That is what Congress did with the NDAA - the President signed it, after registering his own concerns with it, as did members of his admin:
From Senator Leahy:
I do not agree with indefinite detention of any human citizens or no
"My grandmother, who worked on a bomber assembly line, was part of a workforce that turned out the best products on Earth. "
lol
building bombs 'til bunkers boil *
getting paid for shell filled toil *
if I am to work tomorrow *
lobe the load on foreign soil
Yes, which has nothing to do with Glass Steagall, and in fact using that as a prop for "ending political corruption" was an insult to our intelligence. Congress has exempted themselves from the insider trading laws the rest of us are obligated to follow. That's right, as it stands now, insider trading by members of Congress is LEGAL (and that's all he was talking about).
One of many bills he asked this do-nothing obstruct-everything Republicon Congress to send him to sign. That's when Boner and other Cons (who made a killing on the secret Wall Street emergency, betting on losers they presided over, alone) pooped their pants a little. Notice the discomfort: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7396281n&tag=mncol;lst;1
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!
ZenHog, you need a lesson on how to use bullet points in your writing.
No party's do not matter as long as they are working for the people. So we still have a lot of work to do, and that includes pushing for the return of Glass Steagall. But I think things are going to get a little more entertaining shortly. Tonight was a challenge thrown.
It doesn't mean shit. Sure, democrats appear to be less crazy than republicans, and I'll almost certainly vote for Obama, but I place NO hope in our political system.
WE should take Heart in the fact that Occupy & 99% got recognition ( if still no mention ) for motivating much in that speech. It was a thrown challenge as well as a promise for legal action. We will have to see what comes from it. In the meantime we still have a lot of work to do and a long road ahead of us. So continue applying proper pressure. It will be entertaining to see what kind of fallout will happen due to the speech and promised actions.
He's just trying to get you to vote for him...He's doing the populist thang..He'll hope it will work..
Let's see what kind of action he'll take..
Exactly! Keep watch and continue working.
I think it was about at this point that I thought I saw Bohner almost fill his pants, I swear you could almost hear him thinking "Oh Shit" :
[ We will also establish a Financial Crimes Unit of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud and protect people's investments. Some financial firms violate major anti- fraud laws because there's no real penalty for being a repeat offender. That's bad for consumers, and it's bad for the vast majority of bankers and financial service professionals who do the right thing. So pass legislation that makes the penalties for fraud count. ]
Anyway it should be pretty entertaining watching the fall-out.
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No, you just heard a speech..that's all....
"America is not in decline, anyone who tells you anything different, doesn't know what they are talking about"..
...and after that little humdinger, you can toss the entire speech in the trash..
It's just propaganda, until you see it, don't believe it..
That is why we continue to work, here and elsewhere. We will have to wait and see what fallout the speech has or if the promises of action are serious or not. Meanwhile we work Knowing that without being named, Occupy & 99% were acknowledged last night 01/24/2012. We are making a difference, there is a lot of work to do and a long road ahead, but we are making progress.
Obama is a punk fraud. Listen to him say that the banks broke no laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dty1ejhvexM
Now, because he is up for re-election, he plays to populist sentiment saying he will go after the banksters. He is totally full of it and anyone who thinks differently has overdosed on Obama's jive-ass Koolaid. Meanwhile, he has solicited and collected more campaign funds from Wall Street than any president in U.S. history.
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Tru Dat.
We will have to wait and see what comes of the speech and it's promises. In the meantime though Occupy & 99% were not mentioned as motivation it was clear that we are. So we continue to work while we watch what entertainment unfolds from this speech.
No gloves will come off, no AG will act, no fireworks will begin if petulant newbie 2008 supporters pout again like they did in 2010 and let Republicons back into the White House this year. There is no perfection. It only exists in lies and delusion. Believe it or not, Obama has achieved many great things despite constant Big Money and Republicon sabotage and the betrayal by supporters in 2010, giving him a Tea Bag Congress to contend with. But 30+ years of entrenched corruption and corporate takeover of our government cannot not be reversed in one term, maybe not even four terms. Do you have any idea what the collateral damage would be if a real "war" erupted between, say, the 99% and the 1%? Water, power and cellular shut downs alone? Let's be thankful the 1% and the zombie cult that obeys them, is still "concerned" about the outrage of the people and the international community. Because we sat for decades and let organized money slowly but surely take over our country, we have to take it back progressively and diligently, which is going to take diplomacy, finesse and time. The Occupy Movement shows that quantum leaps and critical mass are still possible, this should be an inspiration to all Americans. But waking America is not the same as motivating, coalescing and uniting Americans. So we had better hurry before America goes back to sleep, and prepare for the long haul.
We do need to continue. Absolutely! I just thought it was good to see that Occupy & 99% got recognition even if they were not mentioned as motivators. We have plenty of work to do and a long road, but we are moving in the right direction. The near future will be entertaining to watch, to see the fallout from the speech ( thrown challenge ).
he made a few good promises but I dont think he has the power to keep them. Anyway, he's far better than any GOP clown
I missed the beginning
what where the good part?
Wow, you really were born yesterday!
Are you kidding?
If nothing else He did throw out a challenge. Now He will see the response he gets and hope America is taking notes.
Holder needs to go out on his fat ass. Kick him down the steps the corrupt little twit.
As long as private banks create and control our currency and credit . . . nothing will change.
Our money is created, not by the government, but by banks. Many authorities have confirmed this, including the Federal Reserve itself. The only money the government creates today are coins, which compose less than one ten-thousandth of the money supply. Federal Reserve Notes, or dollar bills, are issued by Federal Reserve Banks, all twelve of which are owned by the private banks in their district. Most of our money comes into circulation as bank loans, and it comes with an interest charge attached.
According to Margrit Kennedy, a German researcher who has studied this issue extensively, interest now composes 40% of the cost of everything we buy. We don’t see it on the sales slips, but interest is exacted at every stage of production. Suppliers need to take out loans to pay for labor and materials, before they have a product to sell.
For government projects, Kennedy found that the average cost of interest is 50%. If the government owned the banks, it could keep the interest and get these projects at half price. That means governments—state and federal—could double the number of projects they could afford, without costing the taxpayers a single penny more than we are paying now.
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/rights.php
So the gloves are staying on in your opinion?
I hope for the best but would like to point to the root of our many problems . . .
The Two Step Plan to National Economic Reform and Recovery
Directs the Treasury Department to issue U.S. Notes (like Lincoln’s Greenbacks; can also be in electronic deposit format) to pay off the National debt.
Increases the reserve ratio private banks are required to maintain from 10% to 100%, thereby terminating their ability to create money, while simultaneously absorbing the funds created to retire the national debt.
These two relatively simple steps, which Congress has the power to enact, would extinguish the national debt, without inflation or deflation, and end the unjust practice of private banks creating money as loans (i.e., fractional reserve banking). Paying off the national debt would wipe out the $400+ billion annual interest payments and thereby balance the budget. This Act would stabilize the economy and end the boom-bust economic cycles caused by fractional reserve banking.
http://www.TheMoneyMasters.com
http://www.Monetary.org
http://www.WebOfDebt.com
Boy if you could put that into more of a layman's language ( economics for dummy s so to speak ) I think we could have another unifying petition with doing some educational ground work along the way. You should look at one of those petition sites I keep posting links to. Write up a prototype to go with the site's offered format, and see how articulate and complete you can be. It could catch fire like Bernie Sanders petition.
Attorneys General office ? What are you talking about ?
What did he say?
Jobs are coming back. Well, duh. They moved when workers were making $30-50/hr and are coming back since they can now hire factory workers for $10...and they only pay a part of health ins. No pensions, either.
Yes, everything is cyclical.
Did he not make you feel dumb enough after he got elected? So sure keep falling for the "hope & change", you could just bend over for him.
Who Boehner, Cantor, Newt, Mitt, Rick? I mean they are all trying to sell a pack of lies after all. So I can see how one might be confused as to your question. And there are others to consider as well, like Sen. minority leader Mitch and others.
So I guess for clarity I should ask who "you" are talking about?
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Did he not make you feel dumb enough after he got elected? So sure keep falling for the "hope & change", you could just bend over for him. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink
Obama.. All of them suck, I am voting Ron PauI. check this out
http://occupywallst.org/forum/house-of-representatives-ndaa2012-vote-list-waking/
Luck with that.
Those gloves are permanently attached, unless you get money out of politics. Sadly, that will never happen under the current regime. A revolution is required in order to free the people of the world. Occupy is a Global issue.
If you have not signed Bernie Sanders petition yet you should. He ( Obama in speech ) did allude to doing something about money. We have a job ahead of us and that did not change tonight, other than we did get unnamed recognition. It should be an entertaining year, as He did throw out a challenge. We will just see what comes of it. anyway it is more fuel for us.
We heard this same promise in 08. Meanwhile, he's been raking in the campaign dough with his fundraisers. Business as usual.
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Puh-lease. Fast n Furious , The Black Panthers and a shit ton of other fuck ups by Holder. Nothing gonna happen.
Holder is the modern day Macarthy. The focus of all that is wrong with "progressive America".
That's what I like to hear positive thinking. No one is left wondering what you think. Way to go. Clear communication.
Typical Coon Rapid doucher
Obama's statements were meaningless nonsense. Speech sounded like it was written by a high school intern.
No surprises there. What is discouraging is that so many Americans (and liberals) will hang on his every word. And believe him.
Oh absolutely
Very recently, Paul Craig Roberts ("Drowning in Hypocrisy" : http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ ), said :
"No government can be perfect, because all governments are composed of humans, especially those humans most attracted by power and profit. Nevertheless, in my lifetime I have witnessed an extraordinary deterioration in the integrity of government in the United States. We have reached the point where nothing that our government says is believable. Not even the unemployment rate, the inflation rate, the GDP growth rate, much less Washington’s reasons for its wars, its police state, and its foreign and domestic policies.
Washington has kept America at war for ten years while millions of Americans lost their jobs and their homes. War and a faltering economy have exploded the national debt, and a looming bankruptcy is being blamed on Social Security and Medicare."
{Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy duriing The Reagan Administration and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate.}
pax et lux ...
He's also a libertarian, no?
Maybe, though 'Libertarian' is a spectrum really with for example Noam Chomsky at one end and say, Ron Paul at the other. I suppose one could find self-described 'libertarians' much further to 'the right' of RP but I wouldn't look to invite them to a dinner party !!
LOL! I've always said that socialists and libertarians are so far apart that they almost come together. They are at two ends of the spectrum in the shape of an almost closed circle. Both distrust the government to a great extent causing one group to seek to control it altogether and the other to get rid of it.
I like your description. Funny, I've thought the same of anarchists and libertarians. Both result in the same sort of end, by different means. Anarchy results in mob rule of the minority through direct democracy. The other results in minority rule of the majority through unregulated free market capitalism. But truly, in both cases I think, there is tyranny.
Good points.
Perhaps therefore, we should aspire to be "Militant Reasonablists and Zealots for Democracy" mobilising to remove, rescind and resist 'Corporate Personhood' and 'The Bankster Oligarcy' !!
Have we found a place to start?! LOL!
In all seriousness, I think we can all come together around the get money out issue and corporate personhood b.s. We'd be stupid not to.
So basically your saying that you do not expect to see any movement to begin redressing our grievances? No upturn in pressure being applied? No effect from the current level of protest?
the man was a manikin of slogans and little else
what did you expect, it was a campaign speech.
Like a lot of the people on the planet, I remember all the talk of 'hope and change' in '08 and frankly I've more confidence and faith in The OWS Movement than in Obomber !
I believe that the 4 month old 'OWS Effect' can be discerned but this is NOT any cause for any complacency. OWS can give a momentary wry smile to itself but must work even harder to ratchet up the level of protest to become more focussed in identifying The Corporate Capture of The U$A and its effects, in order to resist what PCR (in his piece above) calls "War abroad and austerity at home is the policy that is being imposed on the western “democracies.” !!
Agitate; Educate ; Organise & Onwards and Upwards because 'Politics' in The U$A is far too important to be left to 'Politicians', 'Demoblican OR Republocrat' !!!
ad iudicium ...
I agree. Our battle is only just begun. But I do believe that anyone watching the speech tonight would have to admit that Occupy & 99% have made their presence felt & acknowledged.
Obama managed include the separation of women and children from the assassination Bin Laden
too bad that didn't happen two days earlier when NATO bombed Qaddafi's children
No comparable options available. One operation in-person the other by mechanical representative. You might as well compare apples and rocks. You can only do so much.
both military
both timed
One fully American.
One NATO.
US planes bomb with NATO
US ships shell
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/05/nato-lacking-strike-aircraft-libya
Get over yourself with this war non-sense:1 points by MattLHolck (4093) 1 minute ago
Or say what is on your mind in some sort of coherent detail that would make sense as to why you brought it up in the 1st place on this post about the State of the Union. Don't belabor a point that you seem to be trying to make - spell it out! Just what is your concern? Maybe put it into your own post so that you can cover it in context.
War Issues
Fine. You have war issues. Take it up in a post of your own where you can present it in full and in complete context. Take your time writing so that you can be detailed and complete.
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Yes. I agree with you whole heartedly there. As an aside, the look on Boehner's face for much of the speech was most amusing ! He was chewing it so hard that I doubt he's got much of a lower lip left !!
A couple of times it looked like he was either having an ulcer attack or that he was about to load his pants. Anyway he did not look like a happy camper. I could have sworn I heard him thinking "Oh Shit".
Yeah. As in "Oh Shit ! There goes my permanent seat on The Gravy Train !!" ;-)
I was so looking forward to making a bundle Lobbying when I retired. Now What? "Damn I think I messed my undies a little."
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Corporations Do Not Have Tongues
The Repelican Party Is DONE
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tweet that
what is a corporation then zendouche, if not people? Is it some alien life form, or automaton?
It's a group of people under a legal definition, and those people have the right to representation just as you or I do....you stupid bastard
A corporation is a legal fiction, one that permits that legal fiction to enter into contracts which, with proper and competent legal assistance, may be thrown out completely at a later date just as the operators of the Vernont Yankee nuclear power plant - Entergy - have done with their contract with the State of Vermont.
Where in the Constitution does it state that corporations are entitled to representation by members of Congress? I haven't read that - and I don't believe it is in there.
the people who own and operate them are citizens and their right to representation is equal to yours.....fuckwit
The problem is.............................They have MORE representation.
Why should a construct have any at all?
Why should they have a right to "added value" representation?
They shouldn't.
they only get one vote......just like every other citizen, and the Supreme Court has ruled you cannot set a dollar value, minimum or maximum on freedom of speech......You can canvas precincts and talk in the public commons all you like, and no one can prohibit that, advertising in the private media, such as television, radio, and print, requires that money be exchanged for the time and or space.......if you have issues with that perhaps then you should seek to ban all political advertisement in private media....but, if we are going to allow it, it must be allowed at whatever level those purchasing it are willing and able to pay.....
again, sorry if you don't like that...it's how it is...
Better get off your ass and start canvasing voters......if you cannot afford to purchase advertising in the private media .
and the idea that it is any different today than it's ever been is nothing short of naive.....in the past most of the legislators were the wealthiest of Americans......not just funded by them, and many of those who are considered more progressive enabled cronyism at unknown levels, as the larger the government reach becomes, and the more it intrudes on the interests of Americans of all economic levels and occupations, the more reason for those in high financial positions to engage in protection of their interests.... Big Government invites cronyism
You're surely not this naive?
Although that might be the theory, it's often money that gets the deciding vote.
In fact a la, agents like ALEC, they even get to write their own legislation.
My lowly vote has failed to do this, time after time.
I'm only sorry, that you don't realize this.
Now you want me to become a community organizer?
I thought you hated those?
Anyway.
I'm sorry, my old feet can't hope to keep up with the billions spent by corporate entities.
The piss off part to me, is that I helped pay for these shenanigans.
If "cronyism" is the way of the nation?
Why fight it?
Just learn to control it, through regulation.
Regulation of the corporate person, is no different from traffic laws for the rest of us.
that is correct - the operative word being equal
it does not supersede mine, any more than mine supersedes theirs. We will no longer allow them to simply purchase the electoral results or the legislation of their choice.
You have a problem with that?
do they buy your vote? or the votes of those like you?
See...they don't buy mine either, but I support candidates who are pro-commerce, and anti-centralized control.....and by-in-large, so do most Americans....you and the other lefty collectivists are just upset that your message is unpopular and you will do everything you can to ensure that more and more Americans are dominated or supported in some way by government in the hopes you can tip the scales in your favor.....thank goodness when you push too far, like the years preceding the election of 2010...there are enough Americans who still are self-reliant enough to push back....and we will continue to do so.....
To bad for YOU....YOU are the minority, get used to it....
Shall we goolge?
Most Americans favor campaign finance reform.
I believe I will with a little alteration and perhaps some more substance. But yes I think I will.
Well so we got a fast spate of negativity.
Anyone with a positive outlook?
I thought it was a good speech, but I'm not delusional. He won't be able to get done much of what, I think, he really would like to.
No not with the current cut throat congress. But I think it will be interesting to see if he does try to get some things addressed and who will stand in the way. This could well feed his campaign if he tries to do positive things just to have congress attack him. Or if he tries to go after some of the criminals, who may try to derail that?
Yes. He is putting out his platform, finally, geez! And, he can use it to combat Republicans who accuse him of not doing this and not doing that when it is really their intransigence that has caused all the do-nothingness.
And, damn, yes, he better go after the criminals, but I'm not holding my breath.
We can hope ( as in the Chinese curse ) that Bankers and wallstreet have an interesting year. Any way it will be an entertaining year.
It sure will be.
Sounds like steps in the correct direction, but the (R)epelicans already had their response in the can. Prewritten speeches!!????
The dedicated opposition hated it, so it must be better than what we have now.
Hell they were on the air before the speech saying that we didn't need any more of Obama's divisive rhetoric. I think they jumped the gun a little on that one, as He really could have with full justification come out and slammed them for an hour or two before getting down to business. I believe that was what they were fully expecting. To bad he didn't, but I think he made his point to those who were paying attention.
They said that like, Newt and Romney are epitomes of harmony, I suppose.
FLAKES news will be having a field day tomorrow.
Stay tunes to the OWS troll network, for further reports.
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Dear Dan,
Lose the Bad and the Ugly.
Tell Congress to Improve the State of the Union, and Invest in Clean, Renewable Energy.
Take Action! Take Action!
Last night's State of the Union address and Republican responses brought us the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
The Good: President Obama doubled down on clean energy like wind and solar -- and on creating incentives for clean energy growth and job creation. We've got our bets on those horses too.
"I will not cede the wind or solar or battery industry to China or Germany because we refuse to make the same commitment here. We've subsidized oil companies for a century. That's long enough."
The Bad: During Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels' Republican response, he did not see eye-to-eye with us on the Keystone XL pipeline. Perhaps he hasn't seen the oil and gas industry's track record on spills from tar sands pipelines and the impacts on water and public health. Despite the Governor's bad feelings, the Obama Administration has already done the right thing and nixed the wrong-headed project. It was a big victory thanks to activists like you.
The Ugly: Speaking of Keystone XL, guess who Speaker of the House John Boehner invited to be his special guests at the State of the Union? The oil executives who would profit from the pipeline1!
An investigation by Media Matters2 found, in addition to taking large contributions from oil companies with states in the pipeline, House Speaker Boehner has hundreds of thousands in personal financial investment in companies that would benefit directly from the building of the pipeline.
We agree with the President -- there is no good reason for continuing century-old tax cuts to wealthy oil companies while stalling a clean energy standard that would create a market for innovation and American jobs. It's out with the bad and ugly and in with the good. Tell Congress that we are going to keep pushing for big victories this year, and they should get on board.
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"John Boehner State Of The Union Guests Include Oil Executives 'Hurt' By Keystone Decision", Huffington Post, 1/24/2012
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My reply to a contribution request: ( contact letter follows my reply )
Show the people some action and you will see support. Reinstate Glass Stegall. Prosecute criminals. Reform the Banks. Reform WallStreet and just doing that you will have landslide support. Talk about donations/contributions then. Though I would prefer to see money taken out of politics as many Americans would also. General election fund equal share to all legitimate parties and candidates.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:59:46 -0500 To: dka01@live.com From: dccc@dccc.org Subject: Last night
Dan --
Last night, President Obama delivered a powerful message to the American people calling on us to join the fight to strengthen the middle class and move America forward.
The world is watching to see if the President has our support.
We have set a goal of raising $500,000 before the upcoming Federal Election Commission (FEC) deadline -- the first since the President’s State of the Union. This deadline is so important that House Democrats will match all gifts dollar-for-dollar.
Can we count on your support?
Please contribute $3 or more today and your gift will be matched dollar-for-dollar by House Democrats.
The media, pundits and our opponents will use the fundraising totals we report as a measure of our support for the President and Democrats in Congress. Let us take this opportunity to show the full force of our grassroots strength.
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Thank you for standing with us,
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We were shown last night 01/24/2012 that we are making a difference, that we are making some progress.
Unite in common cause. Hate the things that are wrong in this world. Support each-other in making things right. This is where the healing will begin.
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We are the 99%. Take part in "The Peoples" Lobby.
Take action. See samples of how below.
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The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/
Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.
http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb
Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/
Full disclosure of chemicals. Did you hear that, DKA?
Rewrite the taxes and help OUR home manufacturers. Yes. I hope that the fireworks are about to begin.
Yep. And it sounds like he is going to continue to allow fracking to reap the natural gas deposits, but it sounds like he wants to do it cleanly. We will have to wait and see. But continue on with our work here and elsewhere to promote clean and responsible industry. We can not stop applying pressure.