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Forum Post: Show us the studies! …….Show us the studies!

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 10, 2012, 8:06 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ
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The government tells us we should burn less oil and coal so as to not melt all the ice in the world, but they don’t just say it they show us the studies.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/

The government tells us that we should not eat so much sugar and get fat, but they don’t just tell us they show us the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

The government tells us that alcohol is better than cannabis, but where are the studies?

?????

If they need to get the alcohol I hear they brew it in the White House basement and I know the government has all the cannabis available for research that’s why there are few to none on pain or cancer (the government won’t give you cannabis for them).

Thank God Canada is not governed by our White House:

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20100830/marijuana-relieves-chronic-pain-research-show

and the cancer freeze out is starting to thaw.. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html

So Mr. President before you start talking about imposing YOUR will over that of the people of the great state of Colorado SHOW US THE STUDIES

Update: 11/12/12 the LA Times have a more on this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prescription-deaths-20121111-m,0,3963268.story

No one has ever died from a cannabis overdose, who should we be putting jail?

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34898) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL - they did show a ... ahem....sst...study..aAHhahahahaha reefer madness..... heheheeehehehe or was that a warning on the dangers of freon?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I have been to a medical conference where I saw one of the country's leading cancer researchers/doctors talk about how he could not obtain cannabis for study, it made me really angry esp. after I saw the success they were having with tumor reduction in Spain.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 1 year ago

The studies are corporate big-pharma reports that show they will lose income when people can grow their own medicine in the yard,.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I hope you see the update, it is tragic that so many die because of our drug policy

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 1 year ago

yes it is is clearly wrong when you realize that no one has ever died from pot,. the propaganda machine has worked very hard to demonize a plant that offers so much to people,. There really is no justification for the prohibition on this plant. The alcohol industry, big-pharma, and big-petrol/chemical are the ones that gain through this violent repression of their free competition.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

thank you for the input, I think/hope things are changing MA became number 18 to approve MMJ

[-] 1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Are you high? probably not right? But you would be at this very moment if marijuana was legal and free, wouldn't you? Someone has to stay sober.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'm not drunk and alcohol is available, I don't know about "free". Do you really think cannabis is that much better, that everybody would be "high" all the time? Well I never saw a stoner start a war, so at least there would be that.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I think marijuana highs are ten times more popular than getting shit faced, yea. In fact, in this country it's really only the Irish Catholics who still prefer alcohol.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Not true. I didn't know what an 'alcohol culture' was until I moved to Wisconsin. The only other time I encountered something like this was in the Navy as most of my close friends were Irish. I never liked drinking rituals but it's not an issue that should stand in the way of friendships. Alcohol cultures are something I've only encountered among German and Irish Americans and certianly not all of them like getting drunk. Catholicism does not have any elements of an alcohol culture. It's not like people go to church and down a half-gallon of wine.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

My point is, the state I Ilive in would be one of the last to legalize weed because there is a strong alcohol culture here.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Yea, I have to concede that one - the difficulty arises in that most of those who self identify as Irish were later Irish Catholic arrivals. So I am relating "Irish" as Irish Catholic, while simultaneously overlooking some of my own heritage. What was surprising to me, is their propensity to drink as if it was the societal norm; the Puritans, on the other had, believed in "merciful mirth" - rum was good but only in limited quantities, and eventually, they embraced a complete sobriety. It was a view shared by those of the coincidental rise of the American Anglican church. So it was not an acceptable norm for huge segments of our population. But it's definitely an acceptable norm for the Irish and the Germans.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

There are no doubt many Catholics and Irish that support marijuana prohibition but I'd say the strongest supporters of prohibition are among the Protestants and German Americans. It's a beer thing. I found it very easy to quit drinking after moving to WI.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I don't know; the supporters of both prohibition and legalization are primarily white, of varied backgrounds. I'm just saying that I think many Irish, and you're right - Germans - actually prefer alcohol.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I agree.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Only "irish catholics"? There is an ism in there.

And of course absolutely wrong. Vastly more people use (and abuse) alcohol than pot.

Time to legalize recreational use of pot and encourage the end of alcohol abuse. (not possible I know)

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

It's not wrong; this cultural difference actually exists and you would know that if you spent any time at all with working class Irish.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Leave the Irish alone. You don't know me. I spend time with many nationalities. Alcohol is not unique to the Irish. That is an old racist stereotype. Useless & meaningless.

Growup

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

You do, huh? Do you spend time with other Protestant caucasions? Who generally have a more negative view of alcohol consumption? How many do you associate with in either case? This stereotypical difference actually exists.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This is silly and meaningless.

I can't waste time debating your racist beliefs about the decent hard working Irish.

Sorry, We gotta agree to disagree!

Peace!

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

I'm part Irish myself... and once a year, I celebrate that difference that I share with many of my fellow countrymen. We are not the same - celebrate the difference - and I here rest my case.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We have more in common than not!

Focusing on our common needs is the way forward.

Peace. Love all your fellow humans.

[-] -1 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 1 year ago

Listen to yourself - "more in common" ? You yourself admit of difference.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

By saying "we have more in common than not" means I admit that we have differences?

When did I say we have no differences? I didn't.! I maintain continually, consistently, that we have MORE in common than not!

Peace

[-] 0 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

The government may tell us that we should burn less oil and eat less fat but at the same time they support other claims that are the opposite and they give it much more attention even though it has less credibility. the same goes for the corporations which use their domination of the airwaves to distort the studies that are out there and put out much more information that contradicts them. You might think the oil and coal companies are the environmentalists.

The same goes for Charter Schools; I know it may not be on topic but it is what I was looking at and since you asked for studies I thought I'd provide them especially since the first few I looked at are pretty good but it isn't what the corporate media is presenting.

http://nepc.colorado.edu/author/molnar-alex

Corporate involvement in schools sucks there are the studies!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Charter Schools are products of corporations they have shown very little improvement with increased costs in the studies I have seen, but it was Wall Mart who led with low prices then when they were the only game things change so I am wary of Charter Schools.

As far as your first point life is messy our own bodies creates poison by the very act of "living" but one hopes that overall some good can be done.

[-] 0 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

Your comparison with Wall-Mart sounds like a good analogy. while they're trying to promote Charter Schools they may want to have a few examples that they can point to as success' so they can present it as a good idea then as soon as they get many more in place they can pull a bait and switch and crank up the profits at the price of education. This would be similar to price wars until the competition is destroyed followed by price gouging.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

here in AZ we turned the prisons over to private companies, then passed SB 1070 to give them business, in Washington we turn military support over to private companies then start unnecessary war to bump profits, the charter schools here are not doing so well on tests scores but if I remember correctly we are cutting back on the testing they have to do compared to public schools so that should fix the problem....

[-] 0 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

If they sweep the problem under the rug by refusing to acknowledge inconvenient facts they'll get the same results they get with their private military's and prisons which is a disaster.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

AZ is all kinda screwed up. We need to get together & help you guys. Did the Senate votes finally get counted?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

they have been counting each day but the margin is staying at about 75,000 in the senate race but we did get 5 house seats and the district 2 seat has about a 2,000 vote margin now so I think it is safe, it took this long in 2010 too, provisional ballots here are always several days

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well there is some hope then I suppose. Good luck.

[-] 0 points by fairforall (279) 1 year ago

we should have the fed hand out blunts instead of contraceptives.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8651) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

No one has ever died from cannabis over dose, who should we be putting jail?

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prescription-deaths-20121111-m,0,3963268.story